captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: item john dickerson in washington, and this week on "face the nation," the police reformers press their case, has their mission found its moment. after almost a year of unprecedented protests, derek chauvin's conviction for the murder of george floyd brought a sigh of relief and renewed purpose. >> biden: we can and we must do more to reduce the likelihood that a tragedy like this will ever happen or occur again. this takes acknowledging and confronting head-on systemic racism, and the racism disparities that exist in policing and our criminal justice system more broadly. >> dickerson: but even as president biden spoke, a new tragedy and a new protest. this time i

ohio, after a police officer shot and killed 16-year-old ma'khia bryant, who was armed with a knife during a fight with another teenager. >> regardless of the circumstances associated with this, a 16-year-old girl lost her life yesterday. i wish it hadn't happened. >> dickerson: we'll get the latest on that case and more from ohio governor mike dewine. plus, the house passed a sweeping police reform bill last month. can supporters push it through the senate? we'll ask a leading proponent, florida congresswoman and former police chief val demmings. troy finner is the current chief of police in houston, and we'll hear from him as well. and we'll talk with the president of the naacp legal defense fund, sherrilyn ifill. and then a key covid vaccine is back in circulation, with a warning about rare blood clots after a safety review. as cases decline and the number of vaccinations does, too, we'll check in

with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ >> dickerson: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." we are at the point now where the supply of covid-19 vaccines may soon outpace demand. in part because some are hesitant to get vaccinated. and we have some new findings from a cbs poll on that issue. but we want to begin this morning on the topic of police reform. senior national correspondent mark strassmann is in atlanta with this report. [yelling] >> reporter: again this weekend, intertwined jue...acl [yelling] >> reporter: ...and police reform. and american movement sparked by an american moment. george floyd dying facedown on a minneapolis street. >> there has been a systemic problem that has persisted for a long time, that has covered up

murders at the hands of police in the twin cities and across the nation. >> reporter: former officer derek chauvin was convicted of murdering floyd. >> justice, for the moment, was served. we have a long way to go. >> dickerson: but communities of color everywhere say they're tired of the knee on their neck. and week after week, outraged by police killing more people of color. like 16-year-old ma'khia bryant in columbus, ohio. 1-year-old adam toledo in chicago. >> we are notyi me char theer! >> reporter: daunte wright, shot by a cop in a minneapolis suburb. and andrew brown, jr. in elizabeth city, north carolina. deputies serving brown a warrant last wednesday shot him in the back. after protests every day since, city officials announced saturday they've started the process to release the body camera

footage. >> it is a mike cosem of what is going on across the nation. >> reporter: gins george >> reporter: since george floyd's death, at least 30 states have passed reform laws. it will expose bad cops. but there is also backlash in red-state america, fueled by episodic violence during protests over the last year, and in a sense, the left has lost it. a handful of states have passed new laws intended to curb street protests. >> this bill actually prevents against local governments defunding law enforcement. >> reporter: governor ron detiledfla'ne anti-riot. [yelling] >> reporter: but to critics, that reaction proves any progress feels precarious, and that black lives matter remains a call for action instead of an american reality.

>> if we're going to change our culture, it is going to be because the community demands it. >> reporter: markk rng ohio. >> dickerson: we go to governor mike dewine. >> good morning. >> dickerson: you said george floyd's death laid bear some of the deepest divisions in our country. and there is a lot for us to learn. what is there to learn? >> i think there is a pathway to police reform. i think there are things we all can come together on, democratic or republican. we have a bill in front of the state legislature that calls for a lot more police training, more uniformed police training. we have 900 or more police deartments in ohio. many states have small departments, and many times because of resources, they don't get the training that they need. body cameras, the tragedy of a 16-year-old child that was killed in

columbus. the mayor made the absolute correct decision. within six hours, they had that out to the news media. but not every police department in this country has body cameras because of the cost. we presented a bill to the legislature that would provide funding for body cameras for police departments. another pathway clearly is there, and that is to treat police as professionals. what do i mean by that? well, we have state licensing boards for doctors, for lawyers, for nurses. we should do the same thing for police, so that when there is a complaint against a police officer, a state licensing board can deal with that. these are common-sense things that we can do, should not be controversial, that we can all get behind. med the ma'khiaou bryant case. you support the release of the video. when you were attorney general, you called for an

outside prosecutor in these kinds of instances. should there be one in this case? >> governor: they already have an outside investigator, b.c.i.. i think in most cases, this is certainly called for. >> dickerson: should it be automatic in these cases? >> governor: yeah, i think it should be automatic. automatic outside someone come in to do the investigation. you also have the prosecution, the prosecution itself. and it is not that the local prosecutor can't do it or the local police can't investigate themselves, but particularly with the police investigating themselves, there is the appearance -- there is always the appearance that that was not a fair investigation. so i think getting rid of that feeling, getting rid of that appearance, making sure it is an outside agency that is doing the investigation.at they're ones the mayos d estigat colbus. >> don: talkeaboutrain and ianua

bryant case. there has been a lot of eo is out there, a lot of people making judgments. what a lot of people in the black community see is a situation in which young assailants, young black men, after committing mayhem, are taken into custody. there is a shooting, a use of force. and they see a wide disparity in terms of the discretion used by officers. do you understand that feeling? >> governor: well, i certainly understand the feeling. i also understand the feeling of the police officer. i have not been a police officer, but i was a prosecuting attorney. they've got a tough job. they have to make split-second decisions. and in this particular case, for example, you're watching the same thing i'm watching, you know the same thing i'm seeing, but that's what the police officer saw. so that's why one reason, frankly, to have the video cameras and get that out

to the public so everybody can take a look at that. yes, i understand how they feel. it is one of the reasons teaching them implicit bias, more police training, how you defuse a situation, how you deal with someone, for example, who has a mental health problem, how you deal with someone who is autistic -- all of these things we know how to do now. it is just getting that training out to every police officer in the country. >> dickerson: let me ask you about that question of implicit bias. because what you see in the figures is you're twice as likely, if you're black, to get shot in one of these instances. also in columbus, there was a study that showed even though black residents are 28% of the city, they're involved in half of the use of force cases. so it is not just a feeling. the numbers back it up. i wonder if you can be very specific in this training about basically the implicit views of race that get embedded one way or another into police

that cause these types of outcomes. >> governor: this is state-of-the-art training today, john. this is what professionals want. i've never met a police officer who didn't want more training. this is part of that training, absolutely. this is something that i did when i was attorney general. it is something we want to spread out with more police training, continuous police training every single year, even the smallest department. that's what we should have. >> dickerson: let me ask you about qualify immunity. some people say it shields police officers who do wrong-doing. others say it allows them to make a good faith effort in these splitk split-second moments. will ohio do anything to change qualified immunity, do you think? >> governor: john, we have not really had discussions about it. i'll take a look at it, but i have not looked at that to see what impact that does have. >> dickerson: and you don't have a view one way or another whether it should or shouldn't?

>> governor: no. >> dickerson: there is a lot of vaccine hesitancy out there. "a," how worried are you about it? one of the things we found in our polling is 49% of republicans either aren't going to get it at all or are very hesitant. how worried are you, and what would you say to fellow republicans? >> governor: i'm worried, john. we've seen our vaccination rate go down about half of what it was three weeks ago, so that's a concern. but we've vaccinated about 40% -- at least for the first shot -- 40% of our total population. we just need to continue to move forward. if you look at those 65 and ov over, we're over 75%. but the game is not over yet. i'm concerned about it. i know one of the things that we're doing is now we're reaching out to businesses and providing for vaccinations directly in businesses. we're doing the same thing in our colleges.

and the same thing in our high schools. gove.rht. to be morve. thanyou. got to aggressive and move on. thank you, governor. we appreciate it. we go now to congrom val demmings of florida, who is also the former police chief of orlando. good morning, congresswoman. >> good morning, john. >> dickerson: george floyd justice in policing act, it has passed the house. the president wants it to move in the senate. i read in the papers there is progress. is there any progress? >> well, i do believe that every day gives us an opportunity for progress, john. and, also, i am hopeful that the senate will meet this moment. we know that informal discussions are going on. i think we're closer than a lot of people realize. i know one of the stiing poters around qualified immunity. but i do believe that we can do just about anything that we have the political

will to do. and i do believe that we can meet this moment. >> dickerson: you mentioned qualified immunity, it's the two words we hear a lot. senator scott, who has been running this issue for republicans, says that he is trying to float a new idea, and the idea would be that in civil suits, you wouldn't go after the individual police officers, but that the department would be on the hook for an incident. do you think there is any chance that that might get some agreement among democrats? >> well, you know, as i said, john, i think we're closer than a lot of people realize. one thing that we all need to remember is that everybody counts, but everybody's accountable. we do have to look at the inappropriate behavior of some officers, howegs it is, how inhumane it is. i do think there are opportunities to sue those individuals on a personal level. the department is

always -- or can always be held accountable. i am hoping that senator scott will lead his delegation, if you will, or the republican members in the senate, to sit down at the table, finish the negotiations, and let's get this done. george floyd justice in policing act is not perfect, but it is a major step in the right direction. let's get this done. we need it. the american people need it. >> dickerson: let me ask you about the george floyd policing act and this awful incident, ma'khia bryant, in ohio. under the legislation, federal officials, police officers, they would be restrained from using excessive force unless a third party was in danger and unless they couldn't de-escalate. those seems to be the facts in the case and the bryant case, which means under the standard set in the floyd policing act,

seems that the officer seemed to have acted in the way they were trained and supposed to. >> you know, john, when i served as a police chief, what i prayed for daily was that my police officers would respond as they are trained to do. now, after every incident we would have to go back and look at our policies and make sure that the policies met the moment. but, look, i worked as a social worker with foster care children. so this is a sad moment for me. but i also was a patrol officer who was out there on the street, having to make those slit-second decisions. now, everybody has the benefit of slowing the video down and seizing the perfect moment. the officer on the street does not have that ability. he or she has to make those slit-second decisions and they're tough. but the limited information that i know and viewing the video, it appears that the officer responded as he was trained to do, with the

main thought of preventing a tragedy and a loss of life of the person who was about to be assaulted. >> dickerson: you mentioned your experience. it's always nice in politics to have people who have done something that is being talked about on capitol hill. do you have any advice for your colleagues, republicans and democrats, about how to think this through, given the fact that you have experience as a police officer? >> well, i think it does help to talk to those members of congress on both sides of the aisle who have actually been out there doing the job. but my main advice, john, would be let's don't make this a political issue. when we look at historically throughout our history, even though there has always been two strong political parties, they always seemed, in most instances, to be able to lay down their political difference and rise to meet that significant moment. this is such a time. so i'm hoping that we will

put politics aside and come together because we need to get this done. our communities around the nation need it. our good police officers need it. and, quite frankly, the american people need it. we, in congress, in both chambers, can meet this moment as well, if we have the political will to do so. >> dickerson: while i'm asking you about advice, congresswoman, what would you say to your former colleagues, to police officers who feel like they're being -- they are getting scrutinized more than they deserve, that they're being all thrown into one barrel. how would you talk to them about the efforts to achieve accountability given what you know about the work they do? >> well, john -- and i have talked to some of them, and what i remind them of is that they wear the badge -- and i used to do this as a chief -- over their heart because they have to have the heart for the job. we want them to have the mind for the job, so that

they will make good decisions, but we want them to have the heart for the job as well. and i also remind them: remember, you are well-trained. utilize the training that you have. but, also, remember that it is human beings you're dealing with, and always have compassion for the community in which you represent. and, you know, the overwhelming majority of law enforcement officers in this nation are good people, who go to work every day to protect those, to protect and serve our community. i remind them of that: always stand on the right side, speak up, and be professional, and do the job that you're paid to do. >> dickerson: congresswoman demmings, thank you so much for being with us. "face the nation" will be right back with some new poll findings. stay with us.

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decision. >> dickerson: 100 days is coming up, and the president is going to speak to congress. where does president biden's approval rating stand at this moment? >> he is at 58%. for context, we go back 20 years, and that's about where george w. bush was in his first 100 days was. it is lower than where president obama was, and higher than where donald trump was. for context, you want to really note that back 10, 20 years ago, there was actually a little more partisan cross-over, at least initially for presidents, where opponents would give them a little bit of a better breathing room. but that really started to change during the obama administration, and donald trump almost never got any democratic support, and that's where we find joe biden right now, where this is built primarily on getting a lot of democrats and also independents, john. >> dickerson: we used to have actual honeymoons,

and now people approve or disis appdisapprove and what jey the president wears. so why is president biden getting relatively good approval ratings and good approval ratings from independents? >> a big part of this is two-thirds of americans think that joe biden is doing a good job handling the coronavirus outbreak. even more specifically, a lot of people feel he is doing a good job of vaccine distribution. this is really important because this administration had set out success for that as a marker in the first 100 days, and he is meeting it. a kind of classic transactional politics. set out a goal and people feel like you've achieved it. on the personal front, majorities describe joe biden as presidential, as competent, as focused, all things people want from a ad s isethat in your wheel-house, as you've written about. and these are things that are accruing to those

overall approval numbers, john. >> dickerson: that is how he is doing on the promises he made in the campaign. what about the ground he wants to plow going forward. what does the immediate future look like? >> one of the promises, john, was to the bipartisan. people think on balance he is trying to work with congressional republicans. but, of course, there are some hurtles there. one is that the rank-and-file republicans in the country still will not say that joe biden is the legitimate winner of the 2020 election. that puts pressure, of course, on the republican delegation there. and though on policy matters he has some popular policies. notably as he heads into this speech, talking about infrastructure. in principle, if you ask people about bridges, you get support. but joe biden's infrastructure plan still gets majorit things, you're numbers can at

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this is the "cbs overnight news." >> we begin tonight with new concerns about america's vaccine supply. there's enough to go around but vaccinations are slowing as cases remain high. this week, president biden will mark 100 days in office, and most americans including democrats, republicans and independents approve of the way he has handled the distribution of vaccines. as of today, more than 53% of american adults have gotten one shot. more than 36% are fully vaccinated. >> cbs is leading off from los angeles where it's becoming easier to access those