captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: i'm john dickerson in washington. this week on "face the nation," we'll talk exclusively with two key players in the drama that is likely to impact every american. president biden is pitching the most ambitious and most expensive set of domestic reforms in decades. together his proposals total more than $6 trillion in new spending. do we need it all, and how are we going to pay for it? >> biden: it is real simple: it is about time the very wealthy and corporations start paying their fair share. >> dickerson: and ron klain joins us for a one-on-one. republicans are sounding

the alarm about big government run amuck. >> even more taxing and more spending to put washington even more in the middle of your life from the cradle to college. >> dickerson: we'll hear from south carolina senator tim scott, hen is also the party's lead negotiator on police reform. and then a covid check-in. cases are down, but so are vaccinations. how can we pick up the pace to overtake the virus. we'll talk with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. and 100 days into the biden presidency, americans weigh in. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ ♪ >> dickerson: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with white house chief-of-staff ron klain. good morning, ron. >> good morning, john. thanks for having me.

>> dickerson: as we come on the air this morning, there are reports that the iranian government has agreed with the west to release some detainees. what can you tell us about that? >> john, i can tell you, unfortunately, that report is untrue. there is no agreement to release these four americans. we're working very hard to get them released. so far there is no agreement to bring these four americans home. >> dickerson: sometimes the other country will rush to the microphones to force your hand. do you feel tlat? >> no. again. we're working hard to bring these americans home. when we get that done, we'll obviously be delighted to nun announce that news. >> dickerson: let's talk about vaccinations. there is something called vaccine hefty. this week vaccinations were down 10%. the director of the c.d.c. says places the virus will strike next is where there have not been vaccinations. given the president's focus on this, what can he do to increase incientes

incentivesfor people to get vaccinated. dr. scott gottlieb says there is a big portion of people who are not finding the time. it is not that they're against it. but it is not convenient. >> we're doing a lot to make it more convenient. a week ago, 40,000 have the vaccine. and many have walk-in hours. we're trying to expand that. we launched last week, you can text your zip code to 468862 and get texted back to you locations near your home we where you can get vaccinated. we have so much progress, john. more than 55% of americans have gotten one shot. this program is still moving with amazing pace. one in 10 americans got the shot in the last 10 days, and one in 10 will get a shot in the next 10 days. we have a lot of work left

to do. we want to make it easier and more convenient for the next group of people to get the shot. >> dickerson: yesterday in india, a stagger 400,000 cases. the indian prime minister called the president and asked him to join an effort to lift patents on the vaccinations so they can be produced. where is the president's head on that? >> we're rushing aid to india. we're sending five of the giant c-5 planes, which include medicine supplies and the supplies for india to make its vaccinations. india has its own vaccines. production has slowed because they don't have the scarce raw materials. we sent 20 million doses to make more of their vaccines. really, manufacturing is the biggest problem. we have a factory here in the u.s. that has the full intellectual property rights to make the vaccine, but they're not making doses because the

factory has problems. >> dickerson: but the prime minister asked for the president to lift it. will he? >> our u.s. representative is going to the w.t.o. next week to start talks on how we can get this vaccine more widely distributed, more widely licensed and shared. we'll have more to say on that in the days to come. >> dickerson: on the domestic front, the president seems like he is trying to sell a whole bunch of programs and a mindset, so there is family leave, broadband, and it is quite a list. but he is also arguing basically that government isgood in american life. and what i wonder is, at a time where we have low faith in government and institutions, can the american people handle that big of a -- that much change in their life, that the president is offering them? >> well, john, i think what the president is offering them is what political figures, democrat and republicans, have talked about for decades. let's fix our bridges and

road, and let's given people family leave when they have a new child or a sick family member. these are basic things. i think washington has talked about them for decade the bold thing that president biden is doing is laying out a plan to actually deliver them. the way these long-promised things finally actual happen. that's what we're trying to do. i think the american people are long overdue. they have been promised their infrastructure would be fixed for 50 years. where is the delivery on that? i think that is really what this is all about. >> dickerson: the president is going to finance a lot of this with increasing taxes. the argument from republicans is that throws a blanket on economic activity. is it your view that there will be no demunition in corporate activity, or that is just the risk to have some to have this reorientation? >> many more americans will see their taxes go

down -- >> dickerson: i'm talking about corporate america. >> only those -- so for corporations, they got that giant tax cut in 2017. what we're talking about is rolling some of that tax cut back. so we're talking about putting the rate back up to 28%. it was 35% before that tax cut came. so corporations will still have the lower tax rate than the rate they had prior to 2017. we think that the 2017 tax cut didn't meet its promise. you didn't see massive investments in r & d, but you saw the c.e.o. pay go up. c.e.o.s now make 320 times what the average worker makes. we think we can raise those taxes on corporations and fund the things that make the economy grow: bridges, roads, railroads -- >> dickerson: many think that the government can be very inefficient. wth a government plan that is this big, is the

government going to offer any spending cuts at all? >> john, first of all, people have watched their government delivered 220 million covid shots in 100 days. they watched us deliver a rescue plan that took this economy that was dead in the water and created more new jobs in the president's first 100 days than any president has created. i think what the public is seeing is that america is on the move again. these common-sense measures to give people some help with their child care, to give them some money, a tax cut, to help raise their kids, this is the kind of -- >> dickerson: i didn't hear an answer on spending cuts, but we're going to move on. here is my question about how the president is going to work this through congress: 70% of republicans, according to our poll and many others, think that the president was elected through fraud. what does that tell you about the environment for his proposals in congress? >> what i know is the same

polls show that a large number of americans, overwhelming number of americans, including a majority of republicans, favor more bridges, roads, and infrastructure. they favor investing in child care, giving people help taking care of their elderly relatives. they favor broadband. they favor these things. the proposals that the president has put forward has broad support. they have broad support in the country. they have support from republican governors and republican mayors. i think what we'll v have to see if whether or not republicans in washington join the rest of america in broadly supporting these common-sense ideas to grow our economies and make our families better. >> dickerson: i'm focused on the 70% number because people talk about the president's plan being as big as what l.b.j. offered. anthere are a lot of democrats, including former president obama, who say that old idea of

bipartisan is basically a myth now, washington is too partisan. and that to spend a lot of time trying to make deals is ultimately going to get you nowhere. it will waste time, and you'll be punished at the ballot box. do you believe that? do you see that basically bipartisan is nice when you can get it, but this is not really the way things work these days in washington? >> well, i think, john, the president had a great conversation with senator capito last week, and we invited her and a bunch of senators to the white house in the next few days, and we're going to work to find common ground. the senate passed a part of a water infrastructure bill that is part of -- related to our jobs plan. so i think you're starting to see some progress here. the president said he is going to work hard with anyone, democrat or republican, who shares our goals of getting this economy moving, beating this virus, and helping the american families. i think there are people in the republican party

who share those goals -- >> dickerson: there are a lot of democrats who say, sure, try to work with them, but you have to do what you have to do through the reconciliation progress, which requires 50 votes. the more time you spend following the bipartisan, the less you're going to get done. the route of reconciliation is really the way you're going to go for a lot of the president's agenda? >> john, we're going to take this one step at a time. this is an eight-year plan to rebuild the country. we have time to talk to people in both parties, find where the common ground is, find what people agree is mutualuamutuallyshared interest. the president said there are only two red lines in this progress: he is not going to raise taxes on people making less than $400,000 a year. and, two, that everything is on the table, and that the only other red line is

that inaction is not an option. so we're going to work hard to try to find a path forward on these widely popular economic matters. >> dickerson: let me ask you about immigration as we go out here. every president makes promises and then runs in reality. the "washington post" had a headline line: "at the border, a widely predicted crisis that caught biden off-guard." the question is whether the president's move to take away some of the trump restrictions, ended up creating a draw for those migrants at the southern border? >> i don't think so. people who are sending their children here unaccompanied, as young as 6, 7 years old, with no adult -- i don't think it is because of a speech joe biden gave. i think it is because of horrible conditions in el salvador and guatemala and

honduras. the number of children -- a recent report came out this week that says the number of children we have stuck in our border patrol stations are down 84% in the past month. we're making progress on resolving this problem and getting these kids back to family members. >> dickerson: all right. we have to leave it there. we have to leave it there. "face ththe nation" " will be baback in onne minute e with senatotor tim s scott. stay w with us. how's my little bundle of joy today? (young mum) hi mum. (grandma) and how are you my love? (young mum) it's all good...! [young mum half-laughing, half-crying]. [crying] (grandma) oh, you're doing a great job love. (young mum) wish i'd got you this before my nipples got sore.

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optimism? >> senator: john, let me say this: one of the reasons i asked to lead this police reform on my side of the aisle because i personally understand the pain of being stopped 18 times driving while black. i have also seen the beauty of when officers go door to door with me on christmas morning, delivering presents to kids in the most underserved communities. i think i bring an equal librium to the conversation. one of the reasons i'm hopeful, in a way this time my friends on the left aren't looking for an issue. they're looking for a solution. and the things that i offered last year are more popular this year. that gives me reasons to be hopeful. and, frankly, john, i was thinking about this: think about the parts of the two bills in common. data collection. i think through negotiations and conversations we're now closer on no-kknock warrants, and there is something called section 2033, which has to do with

getting military equipment for the local police. we have been able to bring these two bills very closely together. the goal isn't four republicafor ourrepublicans or s to win, but for our communities to feel safer. >> dickerson: a lot sunnier picture than when we stopped during the summer. let me ask you about the question of qualified immunity, who say it protects police acting in good faith, and critics say it is a shield when police cross the line. that has been a major sticking point. you have offered a proposal that said allow civil suits to sue the department and not the individual police officer. are you finding democratic support for that? >> i am, actually. which is another reason why i'm optimistic. we want to make sure that

the bad apples are punished. we have seen that with michael slager when he shot walter black in the back. and recently on the george floyd conviction. those are promising signs. but the real question is: how do we change the culture of policing? i think we do that by making the employer responsible for the actions of the employee. we do that with doctors and lawyers and most all of our industries. if we do that in law enforcement, the employer will change the culture. so we'll have all officers transforming because the departments are taking on more of that burden. and, frankly, as i spoke with family members on thursday, they were very receptive to that proposal because what they're looking for is something that shows progress. i think that does it. >> dickerson: when you talk about changing the culture, i wonder what

you're assessment is of, in your own party, how many people think there is a need for police reform at all. tucker carlson quoted you and many others who said after the chauvin verdict, there is more work to be done. you're talking about changing that culture. he seemed to think that was not a legitimate position. what is your feeling about that? >> senator: well, one of the reasons why i started our conversations, john, with reality, as a united states senator i've been stopped several times in the last three years, in the capitol and on the streets throughout the country. so i'm not having a conversation about some theory or philosophy. i'm saying there is a way for us to restore more confidence from communities of color and say to our officers, we want character-driven oficers responding to crises in our neighborhoods. i think significant numbers in my party have already said to me, we

will go where you go on this issue, as long as i can explain my position. and we're going to do that. >> dickerson: let me ask you about your theory about race. you said america is not a racist country in your response to the president. the president has subsequently said he agrees with you. >> senator: yes. >> dickerson: so there is some common ground there. and you also said to suggest there aren't racial challenges and patterns is for someone to be blind. >> senator: yes. >> dickerson: and you said the system is breaking the back and the spirit of millions of people in our country, and you're talking about black americans who are being affect offed by that affected bt system. help people understand when you say it is not a racist country, but then you talk about a system that targets black americans. and you talked about it today. help people square those two statements. >> senator: sure. first ret let me say thank goodness that our president and vice president all come forward

and said exactly what i've been saying for a long time, america is not a racist country. the question is: is there a lingering effect, after a couple of centuries of racism and discrimination in this nation? the answer is absolutely. the question we should be debating and fighting over is: how do we resolve those issues going forward? one side says i'm going to take from some to give to others. fighting bigotry with bigotry is hypocrisy. it just doesn't work. what i suggested is let's expand opportunity and make sure we're fully equipped for the challenges of the future. one of the reasons we have fought for and won the highest level of funding for black colleges is because i understand if we can level the education, we'll see human flourishing like we've never seen before. if we focus our attention

on health care, like for sickle cell anemia, we'll see unemployment rates hitting all-time lows for african-americans, hispanics -- >> dickerson: when you talk about taking from one side to the other, people pay taxes, and there is an argument that the taxes that are paid should go to communities that we've seen, especially under covid, that have be disproportionately affected. so you're not saying that making sure that there is money that goes to those black communities is a bad thing? >> senator: well, john, let me say it differently: when you pass the covid package with $2 trillion of spending, and in your package you hide in there if you're a black farmer, we'll give you resources, but if you're a white farmer, you're excluded from those same resources, that is taking from one to give to the other. that is why the usda had

to pay out to -- we're going to reverse that and call it fairness in our country? that doesn't work. >> dickerson: they would argue they're trying to deal with that system and the inequities you spoke about. let me ask you about taxes. the president says 55 of the largest corporations pay no taxes. 70% of the country thinks that system is tilted towards the powerful. why is it not -- why isn't it just making the corporations pay their fair share, as the president has suggested? >> senator: well, the real reason, john, is the simple reason. this is what i think is stunning that we're missing in the conversation. you asked that of the white house chief-of-staff recently -- or earlier. we have competition. america has global competitors who's tax rates are lower than we are right now at 21%. therefore by taking it to

28%, you actually rebalance the world against american workers. on of the reasons why the biden plan suppresses wages long-term and slows the growth of our economy because our competition is significantly lower than ours. you cannot compete in a global competition with higher taxes versus lower taxes and expect to win more of the contracts. that's kind of simple. >> dickerson: i want to get you on the record about one final thing, if i may, senator. you talked about have an honest conversations about common sense and common ground. 70% of your party thinks that joe biden is illegitimate because the election was stolen. how do you have -- >> by moving on. joe biden is the president of the united states. now what we -- >> dickerson: legitimate troubleshooter? >> of course he is. can we spend $6 trillion and raise taxes by $4

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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." we turn now to the battle against covid-19. mark strassmann has more from atlanta. [yelling] >> reporter: covid america is eager for moments of magic. disneyland obliged. welcome back home 13 months after viral dread sidelined mickey and minnie, the california park has reopened, though changed, like all of us. >> you have to have the ears and the mask, too. >> reporter: to pandemic officials, the real pixie dust is injected, not

sprinkled and needs more believers. >> if you go to the hospital, or worse you die, all because you chose to not get vaccinated, that would really be a tragedy. >> reporter: more than one in four americans has been fully vaccinated. as a daily average, 2.6 million more people got a shot over the last week. that is down sharply. the shortfall is demand, not supply. in the northwest, a plea for young people to get the shot as cases start to spike again. take oregon, hospitalizations have nearly doubled in the past week. >> covid-19 is now knocking more younger people off their feet. >> reporter: millions of americans refuse to give the vaccine a shot. some are not never vaccers. others assert freedom of choice. but to most objecters, it is the science, a vague, visceral skepticism that "operation warped speed"

moved too fast. keeping new variants and bay and getting fully on the other side of this pandemic -- >> is this your first time here? >> it is. >> reporter: the economy is getting there. >> in general, we're already back to the pre-covid levels. >> reporter: people want to spend. help-wanted signs are everywhere, even on the menu. >> i've hired more people now that never worked in restaurants before, than ever. >> reporteter: they'rere gearing g up for aa hot summer in las vegas, the disneyland for adults. >> when will vegas be back? to all those who ask, the comeback is here now. >> reporter: the same for here in georgia. a rollback of covid restrictions starting this week's, for businesses including gyms and movie theaters. restaurant staff no longer have to wear masks, and all of that is worrisome to health officials. john? >> dickerson: mark strassmann, thank you. the situation in the united states is definitely improving, but that's not the case in

some other parts of the world. here is senior foreign correspondent elizabeth palmer. >> reporter: good morning. mass vaccination is, at least, bringing covid under control in europe. there are still hotspots across the world. right now first and foremost in india. yesterday it set a grim record, more than 400,000 new cases. to say hospitals are overwhelmed is an understatement. medical staff are working flat-out against huge odds, and everywhere there is a shortage of oxygen. people wait for hours in the street to refill tanks for home care. a sikh temple in east dehli set up oxygen distribution for people like assad, whose brother has been trying to get him into the hospital for

weeks. makeshift crematoriums have sprung up in pashing parkig lots, with the fires goes day and night. international aid, including oxygen from the u.s., is arriving, but not enough to end this crisis any time soon. the other hotspot on the planet is brazil. with a per capita death rate right now even higher than india. and the virus is spreading fast, thanks to people paying attention to wearing masks and social distancing sporadicly or not at all. and how about this, a government-sponsored rave. 3,000 young people tested to make sure they didn't have covid were partying in liverpool. they will now be tested every day. >> dickerson: liz palmer reporting from london. thanks, liz. we go to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. he sits on the board of pfizer and joins us from

west port, connecticut. good morning. >> doctor: good morning. >> dickerson: before we get to the international picture, i want to get your weekly update on where things stand right now in the united states. >> doctor: look, the situation in the u.s. continues to improve. and i think in the coming weeks, we're going to see an acceleration in the decline in cases. one of the big reasons is vaccinations. we've vaccinated 145 million americans who have at least one dose. this has been a monumental achievement, rolling out this vaccine and getting that many americans vaccinated. we'll continue to chip away. the rate of vaccines is going to slow in the coming weeks, but we'll continue to pick up more people as we get into the summer. look at san francisco right now. about 71% of people in san francisco have had at least one dose of vaccine. 47% have been fully vaccinated. they have about 20 people who have been hospitalized, and they dramatically reduced covid

in that city. largely as a result of vaccination. we're entering warm months, when this is going to create a back drop against the coronavirus. so we're locking in these gains. >> dickerson: let me ask you about new york city. mayor bill de blasio said new york city will fully reoperation onreopen on july 6. why is your assessment of that decision by the new york mayor. >> doctor: there will still be a layer of protection on top of what we do. it will be a relatively quiet summer when it comes to coronavirus spread. new york is leading the country in testing, so they're turning over a lot of their cases. there is a lot of testing going on at home, with at-home tests, that aren't necessarily getting reported unless they're positive cases. i think the positivity

rate around the country is even lower than what is reported. we are seeing hospitalizations coming down, which is the hardest measure of covid. it is a pretty good indicator of where the direction is heading. so i think the gains are pretty sustainable at this point. >> dickerson: there is a travel ban for travel from india. do you think that's a good idea? >> doctor: i'm not sure what we're hoping to accomplish. if the goal is to try to prevent introduction of virus into the united states, there is plenty of virus here already. if the goal is trying to prevent 617, which is from india, i can assure you that it is here already. the travel restrictions could serve a purpose, but we need to be clear about what that purpose is. right now we have restrictions in place against travel from china and the u.k., and that doesn't really make much sense. >> dickerson: when people see an enormous number of cases and the

virus blooming in different parts of the world, how should they process that with respect to variants? in other words, more disease, does it create the conditions for more variants that could then come back to the united states and cause us issues here? >> doctor: look, that's absolutely the case. the more that this virus continues to circulate, the more it will continue to mutate. the reality is these variants aren't just propping up in one market and migrating around the world. they're cropping up simultaneously in every market. the same mutations that are arriving in other parts of the world are arising here. it is testing us everywhere in the world. so the same mutations that are arising in other parts of the world are here, too. >> dickerson: a lot of people are thinking about what they're going to do with their kids this summer. what do you think will happen in terms of being

able to vaccinate those under 16, say in the 12 to 16 age range? >> doctor: i'm hopeful that the f.d.a. will authorize the pfizer vaccine -- the company i'm on the board to, they apply forgiving the vaccine to 12to 18-year-olds. and i think you'll pick up probably five million kids will get vaccinated. there is about 17 million kids between the ages of 12 and 16. so that will be crement incremental, americans getting vaccinated, and hopefully providing it to people who are susceptible to the infection. older kids are more susceptible than younger kids. >> dickerson: will parents be going through pediatricians? is there a different way, when you're talking about

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i've been placed in jail for no reason of my own because of the color of my skin. to hear a leader wum in come inand try to bridge this country, for me is what was desperately needed. >> dickerson: senator tim scott, in giving the republican response on wednesday night after the president spoke, said america is not a racist country. did you heaar that, and what was your response? >> i did hear that. my great grandfather was lynched. people came to their home in the middle of the night and grabbed him, lynched him, and my grandfather and all of his siblings were separated, never to be seen again. i have relatives that have never seen them again. but also, for tim scott to state that he has been stopped and he has been profiled, and he has been stereotyped and all of those things, and then say america is not a racist country, it was sad to say but it looks like the guy

was bought out. >> i was disappointed with his speech, but i don't think that america is a racist country over all. but i do think there has been a disgusting amount of not only systemic racism, but coming from -- talking about our families, but coming from a family of mixed ethnicity and having a lot of friends of all races and everything and living in the south, i mean i almost started crying hearing the story. because i do agree it is a huge problem. >> there are a lot of good people in the united states, though. not everyone is racist. >> dickerson: is it your view it is a racist country or there are racists in america. >> i believe this is a racist country. >> dickerson: okay. april, you're shaking your head -- >> i've lived it. >> yeah. i don't agree that the

united states is a racist country. i don't know why so many people will be coming across our border who are not white would want to come here so badly if we're so racist. i disagree with thaat premise totally. >> but you didn't live that. >> dickerson: allen, you want to jump in? >> my father was puerto puerto rican and he was born in america. my mother is from honduras. she left for safety reasons. because nobody leaves their home, their family just on a lark, or looking for a better job. just for that reason. i mean, they leave and go through that hardship because they feel genuinely in danger. and i don't think america is a racist country per se, but i don't think that a lot of people even realize when they're being racist, and when they're looking down at someone,

you know. and unless you've been a target of that, either verbally or by looks, you don't know. >> dickerson: president biden, is it your feeling he is spending a lot of money, even given the fact that america has just been through a pandemic and a lot of people are out of work? >> i believe more people would be back to work if he spent less money on unemployment. we have local people with small businesses who can't hire enough people to take care of their clients because the people are getting $400 or $600 more in unemployment, so they don't want do go back to work. >> dickerson: when joe biden ran for president, what was it that he said that y you would liked him to deliver on? >> well, the health message, making health affordable to all families, creating jobs through actually working towards fixing the infrastructure. another thing that he has

touched on as well is education. you know, my sister got her master's, but she is a year older than i am, and i'm 65, and she is still paying off a student loan. i mean, what is the incentive for a person to get educated if there is no light at thend of the tunnel. the end o of the tunnel. >> i bartend with my master's degree. >> that's what i'm saying. that's atrocious. that shouldn'ting shouldn't be happening. >> i like it. >> dickerson: kate, did you watch the president's speech? >> i did. again, i feel like the jobs answer isn't really on a federal-level answer. it is a state-level answer. him promising jobs is a pie in the sky to appease the american people. the minute he raises the

corporate taxes, you can kiss w whatever jobs are left in this administration good-d-bye. because it is s all about the money. we are a capitalist country. you can't say we're going to tax you at 45% -- >> i believe thehe number was 28%. >> if you're going to have a trillion expenditure, you're going to have to go higher than what he is saying. >> dickerson: kate, what did you make of his argument that by raising the tax rate, corporations who have made no taxes will pay their fair share. >> to me, it all goes down to if the economy is robust and the corporations are paying less, but the jobs are there, there is more money going back into the economy. >> dickerson: if you heard that the republicans worked with president biden on some piece of legislation, that would be fine with you if they

worked together? >> i have no problem with that. i'm from new york. i have to deal with liberals every day of my life. if you work bipartisanship, it is a little better for the country. >> dickerson: do you feel like the american economic system is basically fair? >> n no. i always worked -- i have two to three, times four -- i have three part-time jobs and a free lance job, and i think we've gone backwards with women, as far as what we earn, that has taken a hit compared to men. >> dickerson: kate, you were shaking your head. do you think the american economicic system is basically fair as it is set up in the moment? >> it is the greatest in the world, honestly. i'm a female. i'm a business owner. i work really hard for a live. i come from a single mom, a poor background. i put myself through

college. i don't think that can happen in any other country in this whole world, other than the united states. >> dickerson: allen, as you look at this next year, what gives you hope? >> what gives me hope is, again, trying to unify the country. we're always going to have us against them, obviously. however, if we can look past our own egos and our own hardships and try to see the other person's viewpoint a little bit clearer and more respectfully, i think we can go forward. >> dickerson: april, what gives you hope? >> that there is another election coming up in 2022. and hopefully we'll get the house back. >> i'm with april, 2022, making sure that there is no censoring. and tightening our election laws. if i have to show a license to get on a plane or buy a beer, i should

have to prove who i am to vote. >> dickerson: becky, what gives you hope? >> i'm hopopefulul we're out of this pandemic. i loook forward to being able to work and seeing peoplele again. i look forward to less violence, hopefully. >> dickerson: ray, what gives you hope? >> i think all of us are just tired of waking up every day and looking at our phones to see whaat the heck is happening overnight, and what other fear mongering is taking place as a result of some tweets or whatever. i believe now we have a good leader in place who will help us move forward in the right direction. >> dickerson: and we'll be backwe'llbe backwe'llbe back.

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it had helped doctors like bion tech's uger, who joined the vaccine push with kathryn jansen. >> we can call it a miracle, but a miracle always has a sense of it just happened. it didn't just happen. >> dickerson: next in the brigade were those who tested the vaccine. jennifer hallen was the very first to participate in the moderna trial. >> the value that will add for everybody will certainly outweigh any risks that could happen. >> dickerson: the vials spun through their factories quickened by "operation w"operation warped s" airlines and shipping companies took it from there. do you feel like you were delivering hope this morning? >> absolutely. i know it will make a meaningful difference in th lives of many. >> dickerson: pilots handed to druc driver truck dri.

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