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people on mask-wearing. >> biden: the rule is very simple: get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. >> dickerson: it is a milestone in the 14-month-long pandemic, but it calls for head scratching, when it comes to enforcing and following the new guidance. we'll check in with dr. anthony fauci. plus a massive pipeline is back in service after crippling cyber attacks that triggered a gas shortage in the southeast. what can be done to curb these attacks. we'll talk with congressman adam schiff and chris krebs, the former director. and we'll hear from senators kirsten gillibrand and joni ernst, a bipartisan duo closing in on a law that will reform the way the military handles sexual assault cases. it is all ahead on "face the nation."

♪ >> dickerson: good morning and welcome to "face the nation." margaret is on maternity leave. we begin today with the dramatic escalation of violence in the middle east. over the last week, according to the palestinian ministry of health, at least 181 palestinians, including 52 children were killed in gaza. according to the israeli defense forces, eight israelis have been killed, including two children. cbs news foreign correspondent imitiza tyab is in tel aviv and just filed this report. >> reporter: israel's bombardment of gaza is only intensifying. three buildings were flattened this morning in a series of airstrikes, killing 23 people. but ho ofaza a week ago aterday

when israeli fighter jets destroyed a tower that was home to international media outlets, including "the associated press" and al-jazeera. journalisting were warned t leave ahead of the strike that is being called an assault on press freedom. associated press president gary pruw pruett se says they won't be silenced. >> that building provide the best vantage point for people to see what is going on in israel. >> reporter: it was an unprecedented attack. one landed in this busy intersection, badly damaging this street and killing one person. >> never has a hamas rocket struck the heart of tel aviv quite like this, and never have we seen damage like this, islander. diplomatic attempts to contain the conflict in gaza are under way. but in east jerusalem, where this all began,

israeli soldiers continued to confront protestors angry at the looming evictions of six palestinian families by jewish settlers. this woman, who could lose her home says, it is timo its hard to imagine there are potentially more serious problems unfolding amidst all this unrest, but across israel, there have been several nights of horrific neighbor versus neighbor violence not seen for decades. it is yet another complex issue for a country that is also politically paralyzed. after four elections in just two years, israel political parties remain unable to form a lasting government. and it appears now without any unifying leadership, things could spiral out of control. >> dickerson: and while we wait for prime minister netanyahu to get connected, we want to bring in the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff. congressman schiff, i want to ask you about the

situation in israel. israel has a right to defend itself but ista response. 181 palestinians killed, the attack on the building that housed "the associated press" and al-jazeera, is the response disproportionate? >> it is a terrible tragedy what is going on, and the loss of life is deplorable. every rocket that hamptons hamas sends into israel are designed to kill civilians. israel has a right to defend itself, but has to use every effort to avoid civilian casualties. i think they are trying. but the violence has got t stop. i think we need to do everything possible to bring about a cease-fire. i think the administration needs to push harder on

israel and the palestinian authority to stop the violence, bring about a cease-fire, end these hot the hostilities. >> dickerson: the biden administration has sent an envoy to israel and is working on trying to get the violence to cease. but what more can the administration do? what leverage can it use with israel? >> well, i think there just has to be sustained diplomatic engagement of the united states with our palestinian partners, with our israeli partners, with egypt and other countries to try to bring about an end to this unspeakable loss of life. and i think that international effort, if sustained, will bring about that result. but we're going to have to speak out clearly about this, that this has got to end. we can't have the targeting of buildings with press organizations. we can't continue to see

this loss of civilian life. it has got to come to an end. and while -- i also want to say, while i fully defend israel's right to defend itself, it needs to do what it needs to do to protect its people, i don't want that to be interpreted as support for israeli settlement policy for the eviction of palestinians from their homes. the palestinian people have a right to live in peace and freedom, to a state of their own, living side by side in peace with israel. i think those points have to be underscored as well. right now the priority has to be ending the violence. >> dickerson: i want to pick up on that point you're making, and i'll address this to the prime minister when we spoke to him. bernie sanders wrote a piece: "thu.top being anthropologist for the israe palestinian

government." it supports essentially the netanyahu government, which puts such pressure on the palestinians, that it makes any kind of two-state solution or peace solution impossible, and that, in fact, it creates conditions that are impossible for the palestinians to live under, and that the u.s. government should break from netanyahu. and we have the prime minister right now, and i'll get back to you later in the broadcast, congressman. but now we're going to switch to the prime minister. good morning, mr. prime minister. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> dickerson: yesterday was the worst clash in this seven-day conflict, the last one in 2014 lasted six weeks. how much longer are these hostilities going to continue? >> well, we hope that it doesn't continue very long. but we were attacked by hamas on our national day, jerusalem day, unp unprovoked

attacks on jerusalem, and then thousands of rockets on our city. i think any country has to defend itself, and we'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet and the security of our people. we're trying to degrade hamas' abilities. i hope it won't take long, but it is not immediate. >> dickerson: 2900 rockets fired from hamas, but there is also a report that egypt offered a truce. hamas said yes, and you said no. why? >> that's not what i thought. if hamas thought they could just fire rockets and sit back and enjoy immunity, that's false. we are targeting an organization that is targeting our civilians, using them as human shields. we're doing everything we can to hit the terrorists

themselves, their rockets and rockets caches and their arms. can you imagine if you had 2900 rockets fired on washington, you would understand our position -- i think you do, actually. >> dickerson: there has been a lot of focus on the bombing on a building that houses "the associated press" and al-jazeera. they demanded detailed documentation of justcation. there is a story that says that the americans were shown a smoking gun, proof that ha hamas was in that building. what is that proof, and did you show it to the americans? >> well, we share with our american friends all of the intelligence. here is the intelligence we had: it is about palestinian terrorists, an intelligence office for the palestinian terrorist

organization housed in that building that plots d oranizesaeli legimate target. i can l you t we took every precaution to make sure that there were no civilians injuries. in fact, no deaths, no injuries whatsoever -- well, i can't say injuries, i don't know if somebody received a fragment of a stone, but no people were killed. you ask yourself, how is that possible? you see the high-rise towers used by hamas, and they collapsed, and no one was killed. why does that happen? because we, unlike hamas, take special precaution to tell people to leave the premise, and we make sure everyone is gone before we take down those buildings. that's the difference between us and hamas. they deliberately do it to glorify the deaths of

children. we grieve for every non-combatant loss in gaza, and we grieve for all of the civilis and we try to minimize it. >> dickerson: you spoke with president biden yesterday. it is inconceivable you would have talked with him and not shared proof of hamas in those buildings that housed the journalists. did you share that with him? >> well, we passed it through our intelligence people to those people. why do you think we brought down that building? the interesting thing is i would say all of the journalists -- one of the a.p. journalists said they were lucky to get out. they weren't luck. it wasn't luck. it is because we took special pain to call people in those buildings, to make sure that the premises were vacated. look, you have your own experiences in mosul and fallujah and afghanistan. i think you can appreciate the efforts we go through

in dense urban fighting, when terrorists are targeting civilians or hiding behind civilians, how difficult that is. we do our best to avoid civilians casualties. and we did that yesterday. >> dickerson: the arguments of how careful israel has been, in this case, 151 palestinians dead, and amnesty international has asked the international criminal court to look into a refugee camp attack. the u.n. is meeting today, foreign ministers of the e.u. are meeting, and the response has been like this one from the foreign minister of ireland: "israel has international legal obligation to protect children in conflict and are not doing so." >> that's just false. i mean, the reason we have these casualties is because hamas is criminally attacking us from civilian neighborhoods, from schools, from homes, from office buildings.

that's what they're doing. and we're taking action, trying to target them with as great pr precision as we can. unfortunately there are civilian casualties, which we regret. when the international community attacks israel, they're actually urging hamas to continue these attacks. hamas says, great, we're both killing israeli civilians, and they're happy with their civilian casualties because it gets them to focus on -- that's wrong. actually what it does is prolong the conflict and mbtheate and increase theti conflict. >> dickerson: the question, mr. prime minister, the u.s. secretary of state, tony blinken, said that israel has an extra burden, that israel because of its strength and dominance,

has an extra burden on the question of casualties. the question is whether israel is meeting its extra burden in responding to these rocket attacks from hamas? >> we certainly are. i can tell you there have been many studies by serious military analysts, who have compared israel's actions with that of other western armies in similar situations, fighting radical islamists, whether it is in iraq or afghanistan or elsewhere, and you know how prolonged those conflicts are, how many casualties are caused. so i think there has to be a measure of fairness. there has to be a measure of reasonableness and projecting this kind of criticism against the israeli army that is second to none in seeking to minimize civilian casualties while protecting our own civilians. t of civilian areas, if

they move their command posts out of homes and offices, there wouldn't be any problem. but the fact is they're sending thousands of rockets on our cities with the specific purpose of murdering our civilians from these places. >> dickerson: let me ask you -- >> what would you do if it happened in new york or washington. you know dam well what you would do. >> dickerson: let me ask you a broader question articulated by bernie sanders. his argument is that the treatment of the palestinians is so rough that they are marginalized, demonized in such a fashion there can never be peace or a two-state solution, and that your treatment of the palestinians outside of this week is -- creates conditions that are always going to lead to this kind of unrest, not just the missile attacks but the riots you see in cities. what is your response to that? >> well, let's divide it into two.

first of all, the hamas is not attacking us because they're trying to increase the welfare of palestinians. in fact, they're taking huge sums to build the terror tunnels, which we've been able to neutralize, to have rockets, missiles, and other armaments -- they're not building up gaza. they're doing everything in their power to turn into it a fortified terror camp to destroy israel. they openly say they're trying to destroy israel. they're not interested in kind of co-existence. the four peace deals i've made -- they're trying everything in their power to avoid the path of peace and reconciliation. i think any objective observer understands that hamas is out to destroy the state of israel and they're not a partner. as far as the citizens of israel or arabs, i've done more than any other prime minister and spent billions and billions of

dollars, israeli shekels, and five times more than all of the previous governments combined to ensure that our israeli-arab citizens can all be part of the israeli miracle, the great economic success story. i've invested in that because i believe in it. i didn't do it now or for cbs "face the nation." i really believe in this. there has been a violent minority that has tried to challenge that and to kill innocent people. >> dickerson: before we lose you there -- >> i will not stand for jews killing arabs or arabs killing jews. >> dickerson: i want you your domestic challenges. you're under investigation for bribery, fraud, breach of trust. and you've had four failed attempts to put together a government in the past 24 months. this leads to the criticism that your current actions are basically an effort to stay in power. what is your response to

that? >> that's preposterous. you know, when i was a young soldier, 18 years old, i held a fellow soldier who died in my arms. a few years later, my brother, my older brother, died while leading a rescue mission in uganda to release israeli officers. i think anybody who knows me knows that i've never, ever subordinated security concerns, the life of our soldiering, the life of our citizens for political interest. that's just hogwash. i'll do what i have to do to protect the lives of israeli citizens and to restore peace. i've made peace with four arab countries. i'm glad we have a restoration of some considerable calm in israel. that's my goal, to restore peace and quiet and reconciliation for all. >> dickerson: this is a persisting criticism, mr. prime minister. why do you think it persists?

>> it persists because i've been re-elected five times. it persists because i've beat every other candidate in public polls. apparently the people of israel, the majority, don't agree with this false criticism and cynicism. they know i'm standing there for israel, and i'm doing everything i can for the safety and prosperity of the israeli people. by the way, all of israeli citizens, jews and arabs alike. >> dickerson: mr. prime minister, we're out of time. thanks so much for being with us. and we'll be right back in a minute. stay with us. they can use ato help predict tnt needsa ey neeto qly design coverage for each one. businesses that want personalization and speed are going with a smarter hybrid cloud d exise of ibm. nice bumping into you.

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graphically. and i think it reallylls on thet to insist that a lot of this critical infrastructure that is in private hands be better protected. and if it means the government is going to have to set out minimum security standards for private industry and critical infrastructure, then that's what we need to do. but we're all too vulnerable. i think the government is also going to have to go after these ransomware groups. and i think we're going to have to hold the host governments, like russia, china, and elsewhere, responsible, and force them to indemnify against these attacks when they allow these criminal groups to operate on their soil. >> dickerson: when you say go after them, retaliate with attacks or try to prosecute them? what do you mean? >> we certainly ought to prosecute them when we ah th is veiver are located. i think we need to use our own cyber capabilities to go after their

infrastructure, to cripple their ability to conduct more ransomware attacks, to deprive them of the resources that they gain by claiming ransoms and make their life very difficult. we have the capability to to do these things. >> dickerson: in the minute we have left, there is sometimes called a blind spot between the intelligent agencies you work with and the corporations. how do we close that blind spot? how do they communicate in a way? one is public and one is private. >> well, we need to increase that collaboration. we have tried in the past, not very successfully. we need to make sure that the private industry feels comfortable sharing information with the government, and vice but we also need toountle. reo the governmenteir cos when they've been the subject of cyber attack or hacks. because it is ind privacy and data that is often compromised. so there needs to be

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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." we want to go next to the former director of the cyber security and infrastructure security agency, chris krebs. good morning, chris. i want to start with the colonial pipeline. it was not intended to undermine american infrastructure, but it suggested some vulnerabilities. what did we learn? >> good morning, john. first, i believe if there was any remaining question as to whether cyber crime or rans way ransomware was a national security threat, i think that resolved itself over the last week. business executives have to stop looking at cyber security as a technical

issue, and it truly is a business risk. we've got to do a better job in terms of closing out vulnerabilities and making our systems and our operations more resilient. >> dickerson: the president signed an executive order this week to try to get at some of those issues. what's your evaluation of that executive order? >> i think it is a really ambitious plan. i think it should be affective if implemented properly, which i have confidence in the team, both at my old agency, as well as in the national security council and elsewhere. but the benefit here is that typically executive orders really only apply to the federal government. and what we're going to see is through the power theusf the united states government and the sotware from u.s. tech companies and others, we're going to see improved security standards and improved security performance. and there is a trickle down or cascading effect, where the government buys

th same things we do out in industry and at home. so all boats should rise with the tide here. kesor argument is that if companies have to step up their game to provide products to the government, they'll use the same new, higher quality products they create in the private sector? >> they're not going to build two different engineering teams to develop software. the same code that goes out to government will go out to industry, and you'll see better security out there as a result. >> dickerson: you talked about execution, always a trick in government. a lot of great plans, execution is the challenge. in the position you held, there is an acting, not confirmed director. is that a problem, and should that be fixed quickly? >> well, i'm really optimistic by the candidate, or the nominee, that the president picked, jen easterly. he, even earlier this week, urged the senate to take up that nomination

quickly. i've none jen for years. she is an incredibly affective leader. and she knows what it takes to get the job done. but it takes more than obviously one person, and there is going to be a significant lift required by not just my old agency, but really every government agency. it is going to require some resourcing. so the congress needs to put into place additional personnel, as well as funding to execute these programs across the government. >> dickerson: and just to pull people back into the stakes here, what was exposed by this ransomware attack, give us a sense of what we should think about in terms of the y ofuture challenges on the national security and infrastructure front. in particular is something i've been barking about for a number of years. unfortunately, i think, it has been treated as a law enforcement matter and not necessarily a national security threat. so it didn't really get the full attention of the u.s. government and some of our allies.

but i think we've broken through that threshold.3 i think the way we're going to get past ransomware, it is going to take kind of a three-pronged approach: first, we need every organization to improve their security. as the congress contemplates an infrastructure bill, they'll got to include cyber security in that bill. and we have to break the business model. ransomware is good, and we've got to look at what enables it, and that includes crypto currency, as well as whether ransom should be paid, and if show, how is that characterized or logged. and the third thing is we have to go after thetors. chairman schiff mentioned it earlier. we have a set of tools we can use to prt gos and meets wit over the summer, this has got to be on the table.

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the clinical trials. it is well over 90% protecting you against disease, number one. number two, a number of papers have come out in the past couple of weeks showing that the vaccine protects even against the variants that are circulating. and, thirdly, we're seeing that it is very unlikely that a vaccinated person, even if there is a breakthrough infection, would transmit it to someone else. so the accumulation of all of those scientific facts, information, and evidence, brought the c.d.c. to make that decision to say now when you're vaccinated, you don't need to wear a mask not only ondoors but also indoors. >> dickerson: if i have no symptoms and i've been vaccinated but i'm infected, what is the difference between that if i have no symptoms and i'm infected but have not been vaccinated? >> doctor: good question, john.

what the issue is that the level of virus in your nasal fa pharynx, which is correlated to whether you're transmit the to someone else, it is lower. almost always the people that are asymptomatic, it makes it extremely unlikely. not impossible, but very, very low likelihood they're going to transmit it. whereas when people are getting infected who are without symptoms who are not vaccinated, generally the titer, or the level of virus is generally higher. >> dickerson: a lot of people have learned aboe yaght s of the club have tested positive, but most of them have ntoms, d what you seo beinyoms d we don't need to worry about them spreading because they've all been

vaccinated? >> doctor: well, yeah -- it is not going to be absolutely zero, but the likelihood of them spreading is very, very low. they're even talking if you're vaccinated, you'll cut down on the testing of individuals because even if they test positive, the likelihood of them transmitting to someone else is really very, very low. >> dickerson: so if a person is deciding whether or not to get vaccinated, they have to keep in mind if it will keep them healthy, and they also have an opportunity, if vaccinated, to knock off or block their ability to transmit it to other people. so does it increase the public health good of getting the vaccination, or make it clearer, based on these newding docr: john, youi ldn't have sat better. it is absolutely the case. that's the reason why we say when you get vaccinated, you not only protect your own health and that of the family, but also you contribute to

the community health by preventing the spread of the virus throughout the community. in other words, you become a dead end to the virus. when there are a lot of dead-ends around, the virus is not going to go anywhere. that's where you get a point where you have a marketedly diminished rate of infection in the community. that's exactly the reason of why we encourage people and want people to get vaccinated. the more people you get vaccinated, the safer the entire community is. >> dickerson: do you think now that this guidance has come out on relaxing the mask mandates if you get vaccinated, that people who have been hesitant to get vaccinated before will start to get vaccinated in greater numbers? >> doctor: i hope so, john. the underlying reason for the c.d.c. doing this was just based on the evolution of the science i mentioned a moment ago. but if, in fact, this serves as an incentive for people to get vaccinated, all the better. i hope it does, actually.

>> dickerson: on the public health messaging of this, this kind of caught some people by surprise. and because people have been so confused over the course of the last 14 months, would it have been better to have prepared the way a little more for this? good news, of course, for everyone. but because there has been so much confusion over time, would it have been better to walk people up to this very kind of heads-snapping new news? >> doctor: well, you know, john, people will say that. there may be some merit to that, but as a matter of fact, the c.d.c. did this and took this action based on the data. what they'll do now, and i know we discussed this with the c.d.c. director -- wht they'll be doing now is coming out very quickly with individual types of guide dances so people who say, what about the workplace, what about this, what about that? and i think that is going to be clarified, john, pretty quickly. i ould imagine within a period of just a couple of weeks, you'll start to see

significant clarification of some of the actually uderstandable and reasonable questions that people are asking. >> dickerson: you have, throughout your career, talked a lot about vaccinating other parts of the world. there is a moral case for doing it, and also because pandemics don't know anything about borders. the more it is raging elsewhere, the greater chance a variant comes here. how do you feel, given that the vaccines are being made available to teenagers, where there is very low risk, and also people are turning away the vaccine -- how does that make you feel, given the way you talked throughout your career about the necessity of vaccinating the world, which the united states could do more to help with? >> doctor: you know, john, that's a frequently asked question, and it's not an unreasonable question. i believe strongly we can do both. you're absolutely right. i will recoconframe what i said over many, many years, dating back to the hiv/aids issues, but i feel we have a

responsibility as a origination to make sure others in poor nations are not deprived of interventions that would be life-saving. but i think we can do both, john. i think we can vaccinate younger people, adolescents and children, at the same time getting doses of vaccines to those in the lower are middle income countries. >> dickerson: dr. anthony fauci, we really appreciate you being with us. thanks so much. and we'll be right back.

>> dickerson: the push to overhaul the military's hndling of sexual assault cases is moving towards becoming law, thanks to the collaborative efforts of new york democratic senator kirsten gillibrand and iowa republican senator joni ernst. the department of defense has maintained they need to be in charge of prosecuting these cases. but senator gillibrand told us a lot has changed ts bill. >> unfortunately, because of their lack of ability to get this done, the rate of sexual assault continues to climb, but the rates of cases going to trial, and the rate of cases ending in conviction, is going down. so under no measure is it

getting better. what also recently happened was there was a report out of fort hood because a young woman was murdered. and they did a review of what that place was like, and they found it to be a toxic climate. so toxic that sexual harassment and sexual assault was not only rampant, but it was a permissive atmosphere for that type of behavior. >> dickerson: senator ernst, you were a commander in the national guard. how has this been since you've been working on it? >> this has been a very, very concerning issue for a number of years. i do believe that, of course, that within the command -- the chain of command -- there needs to be some oversight because of the fort hood report, the horrible behavior, the bad command environment. it has really been obviously to me that we need to make a very different change. a large part of that is prevention. we know it is necessary to

focus on that because by the time we have a perpetrator and a survivoren we've failed. >> dickerson: senator gillibrand, you have always pushed for taking the investigative power out of the chain of command. why is that so important in this legislation? >> well, it is not actually the investigative power, it is the decision-making power of whether a case should go to trial after the military police have completed their investigation. and so we believe, based on what survivors have told us, is that if you have a trained, unbias military prosecutor who makes that fundamental decision about whether a crime has been committed and whether there is a enough evidence to go forward to trial, two things change. one, the prosecutor is going to choose different cases because they have better training. so they'll have better judgment about which cases they can take to trial, and whether they can be successful. and, second, the

perception of the survivors will be that someone who is unbias, who doesn't have skin and the name, who doesn't know the accused or the accuser, who doesn't have an interest in prosecuting one person or protecting one person over the other because of who they know and how valuable tha are they ae to the unit, this allows professionalism. that will allow the survivor community to come forward more often. >> dickerson: senator, one of the main critiques of this decision to move out of the chain of command is that it undermines, in specific and in general, the ability of a commander to hold his troops accountable and that it changes the commander's role. what is your response to that? >> well, that has been my concern in the past. and certainly we want commanders to have control over their units and the soldiers or airmen or

marines or sailors within those commands. but what this does, it still allows the notification of that commander so that the commander still can go forward and make changes within that command. they should understand that if there is bad behavior happening in that command, then they have the opportunity to fix it. and it is important because this will be a small number of crimes committed within the military. however, it will have absolutely the effect that we are hoping for, which is that it will go to a specialized prosecutor that will then be able to evaluate if that case moves forward or not. the commander still has the opportunity to discipline within the unit and create a much better positive command climate. >> dickerson: senator gillibrand, in 2014, john mccain told a story of a woman who came to him and her abut her daughter entering the service. he said he could not give

his unqualified support because of the sexual assault conditions in the military. if someone came to you and asked you the same question, could you give unqualified support? or would you only do that after this legislation passes? >> i would support any young person's desire to go into the military because it takes someone of enormous courage, bravery, and selflessness, to put themselves in harm's way for others. but my job is to make that safer, any person going into the military. we believe this makes a difference. one, it will make survivors and victims more comfortable and more confident about this system. and, two, it will have better outcomes. because why are we asking commanders to go through these complex case files maybe when they're deployed in afghanistan when they should be focused on winning a war and training troops with the complexitie of a litigation. they need to focus on their day jobs.

>> dickerson: senator ernst, he talked about how you worked with senator gillibrand on this. is this a temate for other kind of bipartisan work? >> that give and take wet a solution that has gained the support of 61 co-sponsors, so this is a template. we want americans to see that bipartisanship is alive and well. it takes friendships. it takes a lot of discussions. and certainly a partnership and finding compromise through that collaboration. this is what the rest of the congress should be doing at a time like this, too, taking a very real, a very personal, a very intimate issue and finding solutions. that's exactly what we have done in this case. >> dickerson: senator gillibrand, anything you would add to that? >> i think many people in congress are bipartisan. we just have to keep reaching across the aisle, finding that common ground, and building solutions from the ground up. that is something joni and

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>> dickerson: before we go today, a new focus on freedom as fully vaccinated americans begin to walk around without required face coverings. sas restrictions, and the first days of bare-faced delight might remind anyone who wore braces on their teeth of the day they came off. suddenly your mouth feels now. there are also likely to be psychological wonders as we rediscover human interaction we've been denied. >> so freeing, especially coming when the weather is getting nice and warm. it is perfect. >> dickerson: there will be public smiling in the street. small talk is going to

feel huge. the thrill of the normal will cause people to interrupt conversations to note how nor norm normal they f. remember the roar of a crowd. the harmony of voices filling large spaces. the symphony of a coffee shop. we are regaining freedom, a word that has been debated a lot. >> freedom! >> dickerson: but while we prepare to dance in the streets, i'm reminded of these two dancers i filmed during lockdown. this awful time clarified for all of us the people and things in our lives we care about as much as those two cared about their dance routine. that's a freedom, too. the freedom that comes from perspective. freedom to ignore the distractions and fake political fights, to focus on what gives our lives meaning and joy. if we can hang on to that freedom, it will make our new freedom all the more

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