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captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: i'm john dickerson in washington today on "face the nation." we'll bring you two big interviews, israelis prime minister benjamin netanyahu on the deadliest fight ing the middle east in years. plus dr. anthony fauci. breaking overnight, devastating israeli missile strikes in gases, retaliatory attacks from the militant group hamas, but mob violence in thetwn arabd the jews adds up to a dire situation in the middle east. we'll talk exclusively with israel's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. then...celebration and confusion over the c.d.
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c.d.c.'s surprising about face for vaccinating people on mask-wearing. >> biden: the rule is very simple: get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do. >> dickerson: it is a milestone in the 14-month-long pandemic, but it calls for head scratching, when it comes to enforcing and following the new guidance. we'll check in with dr. anthony fauci. plus a massive pipeline is back in service after crippling cyber attacks that triggered a gas shortage in the southeast. what can be done to curb these attacks. we'll talk with congressman adam schiff and chris krebs, the former director. and we'll hear from senators kirsten gillibrand and joni ernst, a bipartisan duo closing in on a law tt wlre milita handlesexl assault cases. it is all ahead on "face
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the nation." ♪ >> dickerson: good morning and welcome to "face the nation." margaret is on maternity leave. we begin today with the dramatic escalation of violence in the middle east. over the last week, according to the palestinian ministry of health, at least 181 palestinians, including 52 children were killed in gaza. according to the israeli defense forces, eight israelis have been killed, including two children. cbs news foreign correspondent imitiza tyab is in tel aviv and just filed this report.>> rr:sraembds only int three buildings were flattened this morning in a series of airstrikes, killing 23 people. it is the aack since nearly a week ago. but the horrors of gaza
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took a twist yesterd when israeli fighter jets destroyed a tower that was home to international media outlets, including "the associated press" and al-jazeera. journalisting were warned t leave ahead of the strike that is being called an assault on press freedom. associated press president gary pruw pruett se says they won't be silenced. >> that building provide the best vantage point for people to see what is going on in israel. >> reporter: it was an unprecedented attack. one landed in this busy intersection, badly damaging this street and killing one person. >> never has a hamas rocket struck the heart of tel aviv quite like this, and never have we seen damage like this, islander. diplomatic attempts to contain the conflict in gaza are ud
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ere this all began, israeli soldiers continued to confront protestors angry at the looming evictions of six palestinian families by jewish settlers. this woman, who could lose her home says, it is time for this catastrophe to stop. it is hard to imagine there are potentially more serious problems unfolding amidst all this unrest, but across israel, there have been several nights of horrific neighbor versus neighbor violence not seen for decades. it is yet another complex issue for a country that is also politically paralyzed. after four elections in just two years, israel political parties remain unable to form a lasting government. and it appears now without any unifying leadership, things could spiral out of control. >> dickerson: and while we wait for prime minister netanyahu to get connected, we want to bring in the chairman of the house intelligence
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committee, adam schiff. congressman schiff, i want to ask you about the situation in israel. israel has a right to defend itself but is taking criticism about the am tamplitude of that response. 181 palestinians killed, the attack on the building that housed "the associated press" and al-jazeera, is the response disproportionate? >> it is a terrible tragedy what is going on, and the loss of life is deplorable. every rocket that hamptons hamas sends into israel are designed to kill civilians. israel has a right to defend itself, but has to use every effort to avoid civilian casualties. i think they are trying. but the violence has got t stop. i think we need to do everything possible to
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bring about a cease-fire. i think the administration needs to push harder ong out a cease-fire, end these hot the hostilities. >> dickerson: the biden administration has sent an envoy to israel and is working on trying to get the violence to cease. but what more can the administration do? what leverage can it use with israel? >> well, i think there just has to be sustained diplomatic engagement of the united states with our palestinian partners, with our israeli partners, with egypt and other countries to try to bring about an end to this unspeakable loss of life. and i think that international effort, if sustained, will bring about that result. but we're going to have to speak out clearly about this, that this has got to end. we can't have the
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targeting of buildings with press organizations. we can't continue to see this loss of civilian life. it has got to come to an end. and while -- i also want to say, while i fully defend israel's right to defend itself, it needs to do what it needs to do to protect its people, i don't want that to be interpreted as support for israeli settlement policy for the eviction of palestinians from their homes. the palestinian people have a right to live in peace and freedom, to a state of their own, living side by side in peace with israel. i think those points have to be underscored as well. right now the priority has to be ending the violence. >> dickerson: i want to pick up on that point you're making, and i'll address this to the prime minister when we spoke to him. bernie sanders wrote a piece: "the u.s. must stop being anthropologist for the israe palestinian
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government." it supports essentially the netanyahu government, which puts such pressure on the palestinians, that it makes any kind of peace solution impossible, and that, in fact, it creates conditions that are impossible for the palestinians to live under, and that the u.s. government should break from netanyahu. and we have the prime minister right now, and i'll get back to you later in the broadcast, congressman. but now we're going to switch to the prime minister. good morning, mr. prime minister. thank you for being with us. >> good morning. >> dickerson: yesterday was the worst clash in this seven-day conflict, the last one in 2014 lasted six weeks. how much longer are these hostilities going to continue? >> well, we hope that it doesn't continue very long. but we were attacked by hamas on our national day,
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jerusalem day, unp unprovoked attacks on jerusalem, and then thousands of rockets on our city. i think any country has to defend itself, and we'll do whatever it takes to restore order and quiet and the security of our people. we're trying to degrade hamas' abilities. i hope it won't take long, but it is not immediate. >> dickerson: 2900 rockets fired from hamas, but there is also a report that egypt offered a truce. hamas said yes, and you said no. why? >> that's not what i thought. if hamas thought they could just fire rockets and sit back and enjoy immunity, that's false. we are targeting an organization that is targeting our civilians, using them as human
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shields. we're doing everything we can to hit the terrorists themselves, their rockets and rockets caches and their arms. can you imagine if you had 2900 rockets fired on washington, you would understand our position -- i think you do, actually. >> dickerson: there has been a lot of focus on the bombing on a building that houses "the associated press" and al-jazeera. they demanded detailed documentation of justcation. there is a story that says that the americans were shown a smoking gun, proof that ha hamas was in that building. what is that proof, and did you show it to the americans? >> well, we share with our american friends all of the intelligence. here is the intelligence we had: it is about palestinian terrorists, an
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intelligence office for the palestinian terrorist organization housed in that building that plots and organizes the terror attacks against israeli civilians. so it is a perfectly legitimate target. i can tell you that we took every precaution to make sure that there were no civilians injuries. in fact, no deaths, no injuries whatsoever -- well, i can't say injuries, i don't know if somebody received a fragment of a stone, but no people were killed. you ask yourself, how is that possible? you see the high-rise towers used by hamas, and they collapsed, and no one was killed. why does that happen? because we, unlike hamas, take special precaution to tell people to leave the premise, and we make sure everyone is gone before we take down those buildings. that's the difference between us and hamas. they deliberately do it to
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glorify the deaths of children. we grieve for every non-combatant loss in gaza, and we grieve for all of the civilians who die. we're not happy with it and we try to minimize it. >> dickerson: you spoke with president biden yesterday. it is inconceivable you would have talked with him and not shared proof of hamas in those buildings that housed the journalists. did you share that with him? >> well, we passed it through our intelligence people to those people. why do you think we brought down that building? the interesting thing is i would say all of the journalists -- one of the a.p. journalists said they were lucky to get out. they weren't luck. it wasn't luck. it is because we took special pain to call people in those buildings, to make sure that the premises were vacated. look, you have your own experiences in mosul and fallujah and afghanistan.
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i think you can appreciate the efforts we go through in dense urban fighting, when terrorists are targeting civilians or hiding behind civilians, how difficult that is. we do our best to avoid civilians casualties. and we did that yesterday. >> dickerson: the arguments of how careful israel has been, in this case, 151 palestinians dead, and amnesty international has asked the international criminal court to look into a refugee camp attack. the u.n. is meeting today, foreign ministers of the e.u. are meeting, and the response has been like this one from the foreigner oree t children in conflict and are not doing so." >> that's just false. i mean, the reason we have these casualties is because hamas is criminally attacking us
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from civilian neighborhoods, from schools, from homes, from office buildings. that's what they're doing. and we're taking action, trying to target them with as great pr precision as we can. unfortunately there are civilian casualties, which we regret. when the international community attacks israel, they're actually urging hamas to continue these attacks. hamas says, great, we're both killing israeli civilians, and they're happy with their civilian casualties because it gets them to focus on -- that's wrong. actually what it does is prolong the conflict and escalate and increase the number of casualties that happen as a result of the continuation of the conflict. >> dickerson: the question, mr. prime minister, the u.s. secretary of state, tony blinken, said that israel has an extra burden, that
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israel because of its strength and dominance, has an extra burden on the question of casualties. the question is whether israel is meeting its extra burden in responding to these rocket attacks from hamas? >> we certainly are. i can tell you there have been many studies by serious military analysts, who have compared israel's actions with that of other western armies in similar situations, fighting radical islamists, whether it is in iraq or afghanistan or elsewhere, and you know how prolonged those conflicts are, how many casualties are caused. so i think there has to be a measure of fairness. there has to be a measure of reasonableness and projecting this kind of criticism against the israeli army that is second to none in seeking to min protecng our ownyou knw, if hamd
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simply move the rockets out of civilian areas, if they move their command posts out of homes and offices, there wouldn't be any problem. but the fact is they're sending thousands of rockets on our cities with the specific purpose of murdering our civilians from these places. >> dickerson: let me ask you -- >> what would you do if it happened in new york or washington. you know dam well what you would do. >> dickerson: let me ask you a broader question articulated by bernie sanders. his argument is that the treatment of the palestinians is so rough that they are marginalized, demonized in such a fashion there can never be peace or a two-state solution, and that your treatment of the palestinians outside of this week is -- creates conditions that are always going to lead to this kind of unrest, not just the missile attacks but the riots you see in cities. what is your response to
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that? >> well, let's divide it into two. first of all, the hasstheyyi toe the welfare of palestinians. in fact, they're taking huge sums to build the terror tunnels, which we've been able to neutralize, to have rockets, missiles, and other armaments -- they're not building up gaza. they're doing everything in their power to turn into it a fortified terror camp to destroy israel. they openly say they're trying to destroy israel. they're not interested in kind of co-existence. the four peace deals i've made -- they're trying everything in their power to avoid the path of peace and reconciliation. i think any objective observer understands that hamas is out to destroy the state of israel and they're not a partner. as far as the citizens of israel or arabs, i've done more than any other prime
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minister and spent billions and billions of dollars, israeli shekels, and five times more than all of the previous governments combined to tt o eli-ar the israeli miracle, the great economic success story. i've invested in that because i believe in it. i didn't do it now or for cbs "face the nation." i really believe in this. there has been a violent minority that has tried to challenge that and to kill innocent people. >> dickerson: before we lose you there -- >> i will not stand for jews killing arabs or arabs killing jews. >> dickerson: i want you to respond to your domestic challenges. you're under investigation for bribery, fraud, breach of trust. and you've had four failed attempts to put together a government in the past 24 months. this leads to the criticism that your current actions are basically an effort to stay in power.
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what is your response to that? >> that's preposterous. you know, when i was a young soldier, 18 years old, i held a fellow soldier who died in my arms. a few years later, my brother, my older brother, died while leading a rescue mission in uganda to release israeli officers. i think anybody who knows me knows that i've never, ever subordinated security concerns, the life of our soldiering, the life of our citizens for political interest. that's just hogwash. i'll do what i have to do to protect the lives of israeli citizens and to restore peace. i've made peace with four arab countries. i'm glad we have a restoration of some considerable calm in israel. that's my goal, to restore peace and quiet and reconciliation for all. >> dickerson: this is a persisting criticism,
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mr. prime minister. why do you think it persists? >> it persists because i've been re-elected five times. it persists because i've beat every other candidate in public polls. apparently the people of israel, the majority, don't agree with this false criticism and cynicism. they know i'm standing there for israel, and i'm doing everything i can for the safety and prosperity of the israeli people. by the way, all of israeli citizens, jews and arabs alike. >> dickerson: mr. prime minister, we're out of time. thanks so much for being with us. and we'll be right back in a minute. stay with us. with watson on a hybrid cloud they can use ai to help predict client needs and get the data they need to quickly design coverage for each one. businesses that want personalization and speed are going with a smarter hybrid cloud using the technology and expertise of ibm.
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watch cbs in bay area with the kpix 5 news app. this is the cbs overnight news. in an exclusive interview with cbs's face the nation. prime minister, benjamin netanyahu said that there's no clear end in sight between israel and the palestinians in the gaza strip, he defended the military strikes the civilians have taken the brunt of the violence. today, alternative least 42 people died including ten children. israel blames hamas saying it's targeting leaders and infrastructure linked to the militant group. >> reporter: the horror in gaza is