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♪ >> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." several major cities in the u.s. are racing to reopen to full capacity this weekend. stadiums, bars, and restaurants were packed with crowds. but health officials warn the pandemic is not yet over as variants loom and as portions of the country remain unvaccinated. cbs news senior national correspondent mark strassmann has more in atlanta. >> i need to get your temperature. >> reporter: in california, covid is off to summer camp, at least that is the worry.
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campers wear a mask, too young for the vaccine. >> it feels really good and scary. >> reporter: anxiety lingers because america's vaccination drive has fizzled. nationally at fewer than one million new shots a day, down two-thirds from the april peak. >> there are plenty of people across the country in every state that haven't been vaccinated. >> reporter: that droop in demand, despite the delta variant, worries us. now looking unlikely, president biden's july 4th goal, 70% of american adults with at least one shot. vermont is at 83%. close, six other states and the district of columbia. but 15 states languish under 55%. >> okay, the first one is 45. >> reporter: various states now turn to vaccination promotions. the district of columbia is buying you a beer. washington state is high on its promotion, joints
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for jabs. and in alabama -- >> come over to the super speedway, the biggest, baddest raceway on the planet and take two laps. >> reporter: this took the checkered flag, right? wrong. fewer than 100 people showed up. vaccine passports remain polarizing. rules for businesses vary. in wisconsin, this children's museum requires proof of vaccination or wear a mask. an angry state lawmaker leaned into this hot stake on history, the gestapo wants to see your papers, please. under a new texas law, businesses that require proof of vaccination can be denied state contrats. still, methodist hospital in houston suspended dozens of nurses after hay refused to get vaccinated. a federal judge sided with the hospital.
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ianother reason to take a job: necessity. 25 states say they're ending enhanced weekly unemployment benefits. here in georgia, vice-president kamala harris will drop in later this week to promote the vaccine. this state's vaccination rate is well below the national average. so low it has turned down millions of additional doses. john? >> dickerson: mark strassmann, thank you. cbs news senior foreign correspondent elizabeth palmer is in london with more on the continuing covid crisis around the world. >> reporter: good morning. with plenty of vaccine available, covid is now in retreat in north america and also in europe. but not so in the global south. and there is growing concern for africa, where cases are on the rise in 14 countries. in chad, in central africa, the very first vaccines have just been
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rolled out. health officials are thanking their lucky stars that infection rates so far haven't skyrocketeded. not so in uganda, which has just closed its schools in a hurry and declared a lockdown after cases there rose more than 100% in a week. ghana's public health network is also trying to hold the line against the virus. in partnership with an american company, zip line, it is pioneering a system to cold-pack, and fly vaccine by drone to remote villages. but the shocking truth is that to date only 1% of subsaharan africans have been immunized. the g-7 countries this week pledged to donate a billion vaccine doses to poor countries, and half of them would come from america. it is not enough, but it is a start, says the w.h.o.'s africa director matsiso mority. >> the u.s. president
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biden's plan to purchase and donate half a billion pfizer vaccines is a monumental step forward. so the tide is starting to turn. >> reporter: on the other side of the world, in south america, covid is surging. many of peru's communities have neither vaccine nor i.c.u.s. peru's government revised its vaccine data, and discovered it has the most deaths per capita in the world. in paraguay, huge lines have formed at vaccination centers. the takeout there may be driven in part by the health ministry deciding to publish on its website the name of every person who gets a shot. and once again it is brazil that leads in both numbers of covid cases and deaths, though rio de janeiro has managed to vaccinate almost half of all adults in the city. and finally, travel between the u.k. and the united states: it remains
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complicated and expensive. the governments have set up a task force, and that probably means no streamlined rules any time soon. john? >> dickerson: liz palmer, thank you. we go now to andy slavitt, who most recently served as president biden's senior advisor for covid response. he joins us from minneapolis to discuss his new book: "preventable: how leadership failures, politics, and se s and selfishns doomed the coronavirus response." good morning. >> good morning, john. >> dickerson: let's start with the biggest mistake. what is it? >> i think it is easy to see some of the technical mistakes we made as a country, with the c.d.c. not having enough tests and face masks and so forth. and we have to acknowledge that we also made some political mistakes.
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while this isn't necessarily a political book, the consult of denying science and sowing divisions wasn't helpful. but the thing we have to be most concerned about and focused on is what role we all played. this was an incredibly difficult period of time, but when we look at one another, the question is: did we do enough? did we sacrifice even a little bit for the health and for the businesses and for others? we are a generation that has not sacrificed in a long, long time in this country. i think we all have to acknowledge that despite everything else, the technical and the political, we also had a role in this, too. >> dickerson: do you think that the shifting nature, which is the nature of public health information, you don't have perfect information, that that contributed to what you're talking about in terms of the public response? we heard certain advice in the beginning about masks and then that changed.
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experts there say that's the nature of information, it changes. what many in the public herd is they don't know what they're talking about. >> the question is: why is our tolerance for that so low. you have to believe in science when there are things going on that you can't see with your naked eye. this virus had a lot of properties spreading asymptomaticly. you picture how fast it was growing. it really required you to listen to scientists and understand the scientific process. we, as a country, i think, had a tough time with this. certain people were embracing it and following it alone, but other people cynically exploited the position. if a scientist chnged their mind, it was, like, they don't know what they're talking about, so we don't need to listen to them. i think that may have been
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a unique experience in our country that was exploited a little more than just the sort of natural confusion that occurs. >> dickerson: so we need to have the habits of mind for the next one of these that we face, as we surely will, to allow for the fog of war, which is people who are working hard but just make natural mistakes, but still have enough confidence to listen to what they say so we do the right thing? >> there is no question about it. there are other decisions we made i don't know we even know we were conscious we made. we classified half of population at essential workers. people taking care of us, we can understand that. we had gobs and gobs of people were were exposing to illness -- there is a chapter in the book called the "room service pandemic." there were people who did quite well during the pandemic, they were at home getting deliveries,
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and i count myself among them. but there were other people who were growing our crops, who were delivering those crops, working in meat-packing plants and grocery stores, every day had to go to work, and we knowingly and willingly exposed a lot of people while a lot of other people were comfortable. these are some more deep, embedded things about us and our society. the book tries to tell the story of how those decisions, made without thinking about a pandemic, really came back to haunt us. >> dickerson: we talked a lot about american culture, the roles that experts play, americans play. but let's now talk about the trump administration. give me your assessment of what is the most important thing to note about the trump administration's handling of this. >> we would have had a pandemic without the trump administration. but there were three, i think, deadly sins that the trump administration made that played out. the first was his power that he believed to deny
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the very existence of the virus or the potency of it, and to get his followers to go along with it. if he simply said, hey, we've got a problem, we would have been in a very different situation. the second was this quashing of descent. as i laid out in the book that comes out, early in this pandemic, in february, they sent out orders, the department of health and human services, for 45 days they were not even allowed to talk to the press simply because alex sasar wanted to say things were going fine. anybody who disagreed with the narrative the president wanted was squashed. and the third was really almost extra credit, taking the divisions in the country and playing into them. i think that sort of the populous nature -- being a populous doing a pandemic
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is really not a great combination because you're going to have to make some tough decisions and make some people unhappy. i think trump saw in his base a stirring of anti-mask characterizations and other things, and i think those three things cost us a lot of lives. >> dickerson: in the last 20 seconds here, the wuhan lab link, if the united states had just assumed it had come out of the lab, would there be any way that the response would have been different to the actual virus? >> i'm not sure about that. i don't think so. i think we should be -- first of all, nobody knows what has happened yet. we need this investigated. we need china to be forthcoming, and we need to be very forceful about it. to this point, nobody really knows what happened. there are cases made on both sides. i agree with dr. gottlieb that you have charactersizations that can go either way. this was all explained to
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♪zing boom♪ ♪the devil cuts loose. zing boom♪ ♪so what's the use. wow bam♪ ♪of falling in love?♪ >> dickerson: and we turn to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. he is also on the board of pfizer and has a new book coming out called "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." he joins us from westport, connecticut. good morning. >> good morning. >> dickerson: let's start with the delta variant, as liz palmer mentioned. it is causing a lot of problems in the united kingdom. the variant started in india, and now it is spreading across the world. what should we think about that in the united states? >> doctor: look, it is going to continue to spread. it is concerning. it appears to be more transmissible.
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there was data out this week showing it is about 60% more transmissible than 117 variant. it appears that people who get this virus have higher viral loads and they shed more virus. right now in the united states, it is about 10% of infections, and it is doubling every two weeks. it will probably become the dominant strain in the united states. it doesn't mean we'll see a sharp uptake infections, but it will take over. the risk is really in the fall, that this could spike a new epidemic heading into the fall. the mrna vaccine seems to be affective. and the vaccines from j & j and astrazeneca seem to be 60% affective, and the mrna vaccines are about 80% affective. we just need to use those tools. in parts of the country where we have less
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vaccination, particularly in the south, where vaccination rates are low, there is a risk you could see outbreaks with this new variant. the outbreaks in the u.k. are happening around schools where there is a lot of unvaccinated children. >> dickerson: the c.d.c. director urged parents to vaccinate their teens, citing a rise in hospitalizations among 12to 17-year-olds. is this variant causing that? >> doctor: probably not yet. we haven't seen outbreaks with this variant in school-like settings in the united states. probably what is driving the increased infection among kids is 117. it is getting into settings and infecting people who might not have been as vulnerable to the old, wild-type variant that came out of wuhan. hopefully, you know, we're going to get more kids vaccinated. the vaccines are available for kids 12 and above. hopefully there will be a vaccine available for kids who are younger heading
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into the fall. pfizer started a clinical trial for the younger age population, and moderna is developing a vaccine for that age cohort as well. >> dickerson: we talked about the delta variant, and the world is still struggling with covid. should we expect, over the next several months, to talk about more variants based on the pattern we've seen so far? >> doctor: it is really unclear. there is a lot of people who think this virus has mutated rapidly over a short period of time, but it is not going to continue to mutate at this rate. it is mutating as quickly as influenza "b." this virus has to thread a very careful needle. it is trying to change the spike protein, that we develop our antibodies against, but that spike protein is also what the virus uses to attach to the lining of our respiratory tract. so it can't change it too much ow or else can no longer latch on to our cells.
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it may be that the mutation of this virus starts to slow down. the good news is right now none of the variants are going past the vaccines. vaccines are maintaining against all of the variants, including 117. we're not going to wake up where all of a sudden our vaccine doesn't work, at least not in the foreseeable future. >> dickerson: the c.d.c. is looking into cases of pericardites.carditis. is that something people should be nervous about? >> doctor: i don't think people should be nervous about that right now. right now these cases are clustered in people 18 to 24. men more than women. about 80% of the cases we've seen in men. there have been about 12 million people vaccinated between the ages of 18 and 24, and we have found 284
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cases. it is not clear if there is a causation between the vaccine and these cases. we know that the vaccine creates an inflammatory response, and lot of the cases have happened right after the vaccination. and they've been treated with steroids on n.said,sai n n. young people are going out more, and we've seen more in echo viruses and cocsaci viruses, could be that as young people are going out more, they're exchanging other viruses, and they also cause pericarditis. we have to properly inform patients if, in fact, this is a risk. >> dickerson: if somebody is worried about their newly vaccinated younger person, what symptoms should they look
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out for if they're concerned about pericardittis. >> doctor: in most of the cases that we've seen that could be related to the vaccine has happened within the first two or three days. mostly after the second dose. the signs are a stabbing or a sharp chest pain, and it is positional, so it hurts more when you lay back. sometimes it hurts more when you take a deep breath. and it might be associated with a fever. >> dickerson: okay. dr. gottlieb, thank you. we're out of time. we appreciate it. we're back in a moment. manage ♪ ♪ ♪ digigital transfsformation has faililed to takeke off. bebecause it h hasn't t remod the endlesess mundanee wowork we all l hate.
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speeches, and it didn't really sound like a farewell speech from benjamin netanyahu, although the end is near. he tore into this government, saying they wouldn't have the strength to stand up against the biden administration, perhaps in the resumption of talks with iran in the nuclear program. his final message: we will be back. the incoming prime minister, naftali bennett, he thanked netanyahu for his service, and he thanked the united states and the biden administration for being a continued friend to israel. that final vote is just moments away in all likelihood. barring some miracle, it will be the end of benjamin netanyahu career, at least for now. >> dickerson: as least for now. how did we get to this point with netanyahu. there have been four elections in two years, but this, finally, he is out? >> reporter: the four
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elections in the past couple of years didn't help. there has been a lot of political volatility here. it also didn't help that netanyahu, who is in the middle of several corruption cases. i think there was a sense on the opposition side there was a weakness, that he was vulnerable. there is a tremendous outpouring of public opposition to netanyahu. that's when naftali bennett decided to jump sides and become part of this coalition party. it is a broad coalition. from the far left to the far right, and it includes an arab islamist party for the first time. naftali bennett will be the first prime minister, if they survive for the first two years, it will then be handed over. yes, in terms of whether this is the end of benjamin netanyahu, he remains the leader of the largest political party here at the kinnesit, just
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