captioning sponsored by cbs >> dickerson: i'm john dickerson in washington, and this week on "face the nation," back from his trip abroad, president biden returns home to face familiar problems. the symbolically neutral switzerland was the site of the first summit between a u.s. president and a russian leader in almost three years. the scenery, spectacular. the atmosphere, chilly. president biden says he did what he came to do, put putin on notice about russia's escalating aggression, particularly with what is increasingly turning into a new cold war. >> biden: we have significant cyber-capability, and he knows it. he doesn't know exactly

what it is, but it is significant. if in fact they violate the basic norms, we will respond. >> dickerson: we'll talk to the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, and we'll hear from fiona hill, the former national security council official who was present at the last meeting between u.s. and russian leaders. then as we plunge into summer, the country is reopening, but closing down the virus in some regions remains a struggle. >> biden: unfortunately, cases and hospitalizations are not going down in many places, and the lower vaccination rate states. >> dickerson: with more than 600,000 americans now dead from covid-19, new mutations on the rise, and the vaccine rate slowing, what does this mean for the return to normal? we'll check in with former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. plus, is it time to go back to the office? or is remote work here to stay? we'll talk with author

daniel pink. finally, a look at gathering history as it happens. >> history is not about yesterday, but it is about today and tomorrow. >> dickerson: with the head of the smithsonian museum's lonnie g. bunch iii, and he'll tell us why it is important to collect now for the sake of later. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> dickerson: good morning and welcome to "face the nation." we begin today with the chairman of the house intelligence committee, congressman adam schiff. good to have you here in person. >> yes. thank you. >> dickerson: it is a rarity, but hopefully one that won't be so rare in the future. let's start with cyber-attacks. there has been a lot of cyber-activity, recently the colonial pipeline, the largest meat producer -- hw good is our intelligence in understanding and knowing the scope of these

threats? >> i intelligence is very good, but it is not predictive. so we seldom have insight on who is going to attack us. but we're pretty good at developing attribution, but that doesn't prevent the injury from taking place. i do think a lot of these hacking groups, operating on russian soil, some operating on chinese or iranian soil, they have a sisinergistic relationship with the united states. >> dickerson: the relationship that you talk about might be the pretext for retaliatory action. how well do we know this is i emanateing from russia and china? >> well enough to disrupt the attacks, the financing of the attacks, and the remuneration they earn, but also to hold these nations accountable. i think we need to develop an international rule of the road, where if a

nation doesn't take action against cyber-groups operating on its soil, we hold that nation responsible, which means we sanction that nation. which means we use that nation's resources to indemnify against any losses. >> dickerson: so it is not credible for president putin to say i don't know. >> no, it is not at all credible. and it is not credible for him to suggest even if he knew they were operating on his soil that he was powerless to do something about it. these criminal actors don't go after the russian oligarchs because they know they were end up in a gulog somewhere. >> dickerson: so they have easier local targets, but they don't hit them. >> absolutely. >> dickerson: in the meeting with president putin, he asked the russians to imagine what would happen if a ransomware actor took action against a russian pipeline. it sounds like the president was saying, that's a nice pipeline you

have there, a shame if something happened to it. >> i'm not sure if that is what he was saying. but i think putin understunderstands he was sendig a message that he will protect our government. i think the purpose of the summit was for biden to say, here are some of my red lines, and don't expect to get a pass. >> dickerson: as you look at the entire effort to stop these cyber-attacks, you mention we have pretty good ability to tell who did them or to chase after the person who did them, and the president has asked companies to harden their target. is there a way in which intelligence has to go on the offense even more than it has in this area? and if the u.s. is on offense in the cyber-relmrealms, does that think we're entering -- >> i think we have to go more on the offense. that means when we're working in conjunction

with foreign states, that we treat them at arm's length. and we use our cyber-capability to destroy the infrastructure they're using, and to raid whatever funds they're accumulating from these attacks. does that yield to greater instability? very possibly because we'd be taking action against foreign parties. but, look, this is happening, and it has been happening for years and years. and what we've been doing thus far hasn't worked. one of the hospitals in my district was ransomware attacked years and years ago, and it was a paltry amount, but since then the amounts have gone up, the sophistication of these groups have increased, and unless we get more serious both about our defense and also our offense, we're going to see more of this. >> dickerson: going back to a conversation we used to talk about, which was another way in which russia was destabilizing the united states, which was misinformation, update

us on are they still meddling in our media, with propaganda? >> they are still meddling. they still trying to sow division and discord. i think they may have been disdeterred somewhat from crossing lines during the last presidential election because they realized were joe biden to be elected, they would have to pay a price, and they have. that doesn't mean they wouldn't intervene in the necks electio next election. they can use certain tactics, like social media, to help favored candidates. but when it comes to overt things, like hacking institutions, dumping documents, they have to know that would prompt a very serious response from this president, unlike what we have had over the last four years. >> bish >> dickerson: speaking of elections, there was a new one in iran. what did you make of that

outcome? >> the outcome was predetermined. but what struck me was this was the lowest turnout in an iranian election perhaps in history. iranians voted with their feet by not showing up at the polls. and millions who showed up at the polls cast white ballots. it was a protest vote to say you have essentially stripped us of any choice of a more moderate leader. and instead it just ratifying who the supreme leader wants. that to me was significant. it was a protest vote. >> dickerson: do you think it will have any impact on our relationships with iran? >> i think we have an opportunity to re-enter the j.o.c.p.a. there are advantages to iran and raisi. if it goes well, raisi can take credit. if it goes badly, they can

blame it on the prior regime. in the future, it looks like hard-line iranian politics and world positioning for the foreseeable future. >> dickerson: in the last minute or so we have left, the department of justice under the trump administration subpoenaed your e-mail records. what's the latest on that? >> this is something i found out from apple a month ago. that is one issue, and i had to hear from apple, and not the justice department, what had gone on in the last four years. the inspector general is doing an investigation. i talked with the attorney general about going beyond that. he needs to do a wholesale review of the last four years. what happened to our committee and the members of the press, that is just a sub-set. the direct intervention bite the president and the attorney general, implicating the president like that, of roger stone, one of his aides, whose sentence was reduced

before he was partnered, michael flynn, whose case was made to completely go away, these are gross abuses of the independence of the justice department. we don't know how far they run. and our new attorney general has to find out. >> dickerson: congress schiff, we're out of time. thank you so much for being with us. we'll be back in 60 seconds with drdr. scott gottliebeb and a lotot more "face ththe nation."." stay with us.. h cougugh), which can n permanentltly damamage my lungngs. my lungs n need protecection agagainst flarare-ups. so it's s time to geget real. because e in the reaeal world. .....our lungsgs deserves s thl protectition of brezeztri. breztrtri gives yoyou betttter breathihing, symptotom improvemement, and flare-upup protectioion. it''s the fifirst and ononly copdpd medicinee provoven to reduduce flarare-ups by 5 52%. breztri wowon't replplace a rescue i inhaler for suddenen breathingng prob.

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hostility. on summer's first day, every state reports plunging rates of first shots, like louisiana, with america's second lowest overall vaccination rate. the delta variant, now identified in 41 states, looks menacing. it is the most contagious corona strain. sometime next month it could become america's dominant covid variant. >> the variant could win this race if we do not increase the proportion of people in this state who are fully vaccinated more quickly. >> reporter: especially in states like south carolina. its vaccination rate ranks in america's become 10. dr. verna drexler. >> when the temperatures warm up -- everybody needs to be vaccinated. >> reporter: 70% of ameriamerican adults with at

least one shot by july 4th. but unless the pace doubles every day until then, we're not going to make it. another sign: help wanted. as america reopens, employers can't find help. america has 9.3 million open jobs. one reason: nearly four million people quit their jobs in april. the highest quit rate in 20 years. >> it is hard to hire people. you can interview people, but they're not coming back. >> reporter: smaller staffs has meant smaller recipes. >> telling guests we're out of chicken, it is a sentence i thought we'd never say. >> reporter: this weekend eight more states caught off extra jobless benefits, hoping to fill some of those open jobs. health officials like to say that covid should not be about politics, but vaccine resistance is both political and personal. here in georgia, the vaccination rate is well below the national

average. and the two groups who most say no to shots: people of color and white republican men. john? >> dickerson: mark strassmann, thank you. we turn now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb. he is on the board of pfizer and author of an upcoming book: "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." he joins us from westport, connecticut. good morning. >> doctor: good morning. >> dickerson: let's start with that goal, president biden said 70% of adults by july 4th. he will miss that. is it important that he missed that? >> doctor: if the administration set a goal and missed it by a little, it is not going to have an impact if we hit 68% or 70%. the reality is we're vaccinating a large portion of the american population. we have to remember where we started and where we are right now. it took us a full month to fully vaccinate the 1.4

million residence of nursing homes. and we delivered 300 million vaccines. it is a substantial achievement. right now we're on sort of 1.0 in terms of making vaccines accessible. the goal was to make it accessible in the community for people who wanted to go get vaccinated. they can go to a point and access the vaccine. now we need to think about pushing it into community sites, where people can get it to them through doctors, offices, schools, places of employment. to get the people who are still reluctant or who still face challenges getting into the access sites. i think the vaccine administration is going to declined over the summer. people aren't going to be seeking out a vaccine in july and august. but as people contemplate going back to school and work in the fall, they will be seeking out vaccines, and that's when we need to think about the 2.0 campaign. >> dickerson: if the 2.0

campaign has to meet people where they are, if they've been reluctant, that's one part the of it, is another part of it the delta variant, in that it appears to be hitting in areas, not surprisingly, inareas where people have not been vaccinated? >> doctor: i think that is right. this variant is probably 40% to 60% more infect tifinfectivethan the u.k. varia. it doesn't necessarily appear more pathogenic, meaning more dangerous, but it is infecting people more easily. it is starting to become more prevalent in the u.k. in areas that are unvaccinated. when we look across the united states, we see wide variance among vaccines. some states have 80%, and other states are struggling to get to 50%. when you look at what ep

epidemiologist say we face in the fall, we will have a 60% more transmissible variant, they show an up surge in infection, and reaching the peak of 20% of the infection we reached last winter. so about 20% of the peak in january we'll hit in the fall at some point. i think that is probably an aggressive estimate. i don't think it will be quite that dire. but when you look at the estimates, you see it varies widely between states. connecticut shows no up surge, but mississippi, alabama, arkansas, shows up surge. it is based on how much population-wide immunity you have based on vaccination. >> dickerson: another reason to get vaccinated is what we're learning about the long-term effects of covid, the u.k. and they're struggling with the delta variant.

there was a u.k. study about brain tissue. what did that show this week? >> doctor: right. so the u.k. does very good perspective studies of people. they have a biobank where they follow people over time. and they take blood sam psamples and do m.r.i.s, to go back and look and say were there things we could have seen in an m.r.i. or a blood test that could have predicted an outcome five or 10years later. so they went back to the biobank and looked at people who had m.r.i.scans of their brains and looked at how many people developed co covid, and when they compared those individuals who developed covid against matched controls, they saw a pretty pe persistent -- certain areas of their brain showed a shrinkage of parts of their brain. it is not clear in the

virus caused that or if it was a direct affect on the brain, but it is very concerning because it suggests that the virus could have an effect on certain portions of the brain. if parts of the brain that show shrinkage, like taste and smell, the kind of complaints that people reporting after having the virus, they're complaining about taste and smell. the balance of the information that we're accruing does indicate that covid is a disease that could create persistent symptoms. some people clearly have persistent symptoms after recovery. and it appears to affect boning both the brain and -- you see people with persistent heart rates, and that could be damaged. the bottom line is we have the tools to avoid it

through vaccination. >> dickerson: in the last 40 seconds, another tool that might be online, the biden administration annoyed a $3.2 million investment in experimental antiviral drugs to treat covid-19. what do you think about that? >> doctor: that's right. i think this could be a real game-changer. this is a virus we should be able to drug. the machinery this various uses to replicate are things we've drugged beore. it is not a virus that should evade our drug development tools. i think we will have a drug that will inhibit the viral replication. pfizer is working on one, merck is working on another one. there are a number of other companies also engaged in this pursuit. i think we'll get a drug that inhibits viral replication. it is basically like a tamiflu for the flu. to prevent the progression of the disease. >> dickerson: dr. scott gottlieb, we're very grateful that you're here.

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won't work and people will sherk. and then in four days people converted to that model, and productivity went up. i think what we're going to see coming out of this is not a return to 2019, but a fundamentally new configuration of work, even a new configuration of what an office looks like. >> dickerson: what did we learn about remote work that we were wrong about when they previously thought people couldn't handle it? >> we were completely wrong about productivity and about trust. it turns out that most people in the workforce you can trust. i think that's an enduring lesson of this. and i think if we go back, and say it is a funny little experiment, but you better be back in the office or else you're going to get fired, i think that is tone deaf and a misreading of the market. so we learned about trust. and we learned that is

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designed for you. ♪ >> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." good evening. senate democrats go on the offense this week looking to expand voting rights and spend a nuer of republican senators are said to be on board for a trim down half trillion dollar infrastructure bill. but voting rights, that's a far different story. christina ruffini is at the white house with the latest on the impending battle. good evening. >> reporter: good evening, jericka. the commemoration of juneteenth over the weekend as one activist put it was a good start. now there is increased pressure on congress to take action on voting rights.es