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as we first reported in 2019, at least 25 americans, including c.i.a. agents who worked at the u.s. embassy in cuba suffered impaired vision and memory loss, among other persistent symptoms. we learned that at least 15 american officials in china suffered unexplained brain trauma. the current investigation centers on whether these americans were attacked by a mysterious weapon that leaves no trace. government officials say there could now be more than 130 victims of what appears to be a hostile foreign government's plan to target americans abroad and their families. >> mark lenzi: for me, it was november of 2017, when i started to feel lightheaded a lot. i was getting more headaches. my wife was getting headaches, too. >> pelley: mark lenzi is a state department security officer who worked in the u.s.

consulate in guangzhou, china. he says that he and his wife began to suffer after hearing strange sounds in their apartment. >> lenzi: picture holding a marble. then, picture if you had, like, a sixfoot in diameter funnel, metal funnel. the sound that marble would make as it goes around, and it progressively gets faster as it gets, goes down towards the hole at the end. it's a sound like i've never heard before. >> pelley: was this subtle? like, "did i hear that?" >> lenzi: no. it was-- it was actually somewhat loud. i heard it about three or four times, always in the same spot. always over my son's crib, and always right before we would go to bed. >> pelley: lenzi wears prescribed glasses because sensitivity to light is among his persistent symptoms. >> lenzi: the symptoms were progressively getting worse with me. my headaches were getting worse. the most concerning symptom for me was memory loss, especially short-term memory loss. >> pelley: mark lenzi believes he was targeted because of his work.

he uses top secret equipment to analyze electronic threats to diplomatic missions. >> lenzi: there is no shadow of a doubt in my mind that this was a directed attack against my neighbor and i. >> pelley: his neighbor was catherine werner, who lived one floor up. she's a u.s. commerce department trade officer who promoted american business from the guangzhou consulate. >> catherine werner: i woke up in the middle of the night, and i could feel this sound in my head. it was intense pressure on both of my temples. at the same time, i heard this low humming sound, and it was oscillating. and i remember looking around for where this sound was coming from, because it was painful. >> pelley: when did you first notice that you weren't feeling well? >> werner: october of 2017, i started to get hives all over my body. really bad hives. i woke up with headaches every

day. i started to feel tired. the simplest things would just make me very, very tired. >> pelley: were these symptoms growing worse over time? >> werner: they were, yes. my symptoms would get so bad that i would throw up, or i would wake up with nose bleeds. >> pelley: she says even her dogs were throwing up blood. werner assumed her illness was connected to china's toxic smog. she didn't know it at the time, but her symptoms were the same that american officials in havana had suffered since 2016. the u.s. embassy there is all but closed as a result. >> werner: we hadn't heard about what happened in cuba. i mean, there were headlines in the news about hearing loss, and attacks to our diplomats, but we didn't know the details. >> pelley: catherine werner became so ill, her mother traveled from the u.s. to live

with her. >> werner: she spent almost three months with me. during that time, she also got very ill. and she and i shared the same symptoms. >> pelley: what sort of symptoms did your mother have? >> werner: headaches. and, ringing in our ears. we also started to both have difficulty recalling words. >> pelley: after reporting her experiences, werner was medically evacuated to the u.s. for treatment. u.s. agencies are investigating, but mark lenzi has a theory. >> lenzi: this was a directed standoff attack against my apartment. >> pelley: it was a weapon? >> lenzi: oh, of course it was a weapon. >> pelley: an energy weapon? >> lenzi: absolutely. >> pelley: what sort of energy is this that we're talking about? >> lenzi: i believe it's r.f., radio frequency energy, in the microwave range. >> pelley: a clue that supports that theory was revealed by the

national security agency in 2014. this n.s.a. statement describes such a weapon as a "high-powered microwave system weapon that may have the ability to weaken, intimidate, or kill an enemy over time without leaving evidence." the statement goes on to say, "this weapon is designed to bathe a target's living quarters in microwaves." the n.s.a. disclosed this in a worker's compensation case, filed by former n.s.a. employee mike beck. >> pelley: when you look back across your career, is there any incident that leads you to believe that it could be responsible for your parkinson's disease? >> mike beck: yes. >> pelley: in the 1990s, beck and an n.s.a. coworker were on assignment overseas. years later, he says, they developed parkinson's disease at the same time. >> beck: in 1996, a colleague of

mine, chuck gubete, and i traveled to a hostile country and worked there for about a week. and-- i can't say where the hostile country-- the identity o it. >> pelley: because it's still classified? >> beck: yes. >> pelley: but it was not cuba or china. you believe that you and chuck gubete were attacked with this microwave weapon? >> beck: yes. i had a pretty good working knowledge of the hostile country's intelligence services, what they do to people, what they have done, what their modus operandi is. >> pelley: mike beck says more intelligence has come in recently, which he shared in a classified briefing with congressional investigators. >> pelley: mike, you can't discuss any of these details because they're all classified. but, in your opinion, does the new information that you briefed the house and senate intelligence committee staff on in any way relate to what

happened in cuba and china? >> beck: it's relevant to the cuba and china cases. >> pelley: no one has officially confirmed that what beck says happened to him is related to at least 40 americans injured in china and cuba. while beck suffers from parkinson's, the recent patients are being treated for the same kind of symptoms that doctors would expect from a concussion. >> dr. teena shetty: so follow my fingers. >> pelley: dr. teena shetty is mark lenzi's neurologist. >> shetty: so mark initially came to me reporting symptoms of headache, memory loss, sleep difficulties, emotionality, and irritability. >> pelley: and what did you make of that in the early days? >> shetty: i was very surprised. he did not have any history of any trauma or blow to his head, but he reported a constellation of neurologic symptoms which are characteristic of mild traumatic brain injury, without any history of associated head trauma. >> lenzi: i still notice it, but that has improved.

>> pelley: exactly how their brains were injured is the subject of a study at the university of pennsylvania center for brain injury and repair. >> shetty: still slightly wobbly. >> pelley: dr. shetty is not part of that study... >> shetty: and align your knees for me. >> pelley: ...but her patient, mark lenzi, is. >> shetty: the presumption is that something happened which caused a functional brain injury of wide-spread brain networks, because he has symptoms to reflect a multitude of brain networks. >> pelley: what doctor shetty describes mirrors the findings published so far by the university of pennsylvania study. >> robyn garfield: they have said that our symptoms are exactly what they saw in cuba, and that we have the full suite of findings that they had there. >> pelley: robyn and britta garfield are among the 40 patients enrolled in the university of pennsylvania study. like catherine werner, robyn garfield is a trade officer with the commerce department. he was posted with his wife and

two young children in shanghai. >> robyn garfield: i don't know when the sound started. i do know that it was for months on end. >> britta garfield: i was sitting next to robyn, and something, i felt like, hit me from the left side. and at first it felt like an electric shock, and then it paralyzed me, so i was not able to move or speak. >> pelley: it hit you so hard you felt like you were in danger in the room? >> britta garfield: yes. >> pelley: they say the children suffered blurred vision and loss of balance. your daughter was literally falling down? >> robyn garfield: yes. she fell down multiple times that day. >> britta garfield: we went on a walk and she just fell on her face. it was very abnormal. she never does that. and then a second time, she completely lost her balance and just fell to the side. >> pelley: in 2018, then- secretary of state mike pompeo confirmed the case of catherine werner.

upenn found her brain injuries matched the cuba victims. >> mike pompeo: we had an incident in guangzhou that the medical indications are very similar and entirely consistent with the medical indications that have taken place to americans working in cuba. >> pelley: for reasons that are unclear, the state department was raising doubt about the other 14 china cases. in 2018, the department's medical office sent mark lenzi a note that said, "we have reached the decision that your symptoms and findings do not correlate with the havana cohort." >> lenzi: they tried to deny it. they tried to cover it up. they tried to minimize it. >> pelley: why would the state department minimize this? >> lenzi: because it's china. because we have such a large trade relationship with them. you can push around cuba. their trade, you know, relations are minimal. with china, that's a different beast, right? >> pelley: state department doctors told robyn garfield in 2018, his illness stemmed from a baseball injury years ago-- which does not explain his wife

and children. >> robyn garfield: it is a very complicated geopolitical relationship between the u.s. and china. so that to me feels like why this determination's being made. >> pelley: what does it mean for your benefits today that the state department is refusing to call this an attack? >> robyn garfield: it has significant impact on our-- our life, our finances. my career as well, likely. >> pelley: the china patients had the attention of at least one member of the senate foreign relations committee. jeanne shaheen wrote secretary pompeo, "the group from china is increasingly feeling isolated and left behind by the state department." the state department declined an interview in 2019, but in a statement, it said, "we will continue to provide our colleagues the care they need, regardless of their diagnosis or the location of their medical evacuation."

a state department official told us at the time that the cuba patients are victims of an attack, but state hasn't made the same determination for the china patients. the department asked the national academies of science to assist in the medical investigation. the f.b.i. is also investigating. intelligence sources told us that in addition to cuba and china, russia is a suspect. but if microwaves were used, the technology is not rare. it could be, more than one country is using it. u.s. intelligence is still debating what caused the injuries. you were in harm's way and you didn't know it. >> werner: exactly. i didn't know it. and i'm afraid that others may be in harm's way and may not know it. i don't know what the future looks like for me, but i would do anything in my power to prevent this from happening to somebody else serving their

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ferencz is the last nuremberg prosecutor alive today. but he isn't content just being a part of 20th century history. he believes he has something important to offer the world right now. you know, you have seen the ugliest side of humanity. >> ben ferencz: yes. >> stahl: you've really seen evil. and look at you; you're the sunniest man i've ever met. ( laughs ) the most optimistic. >> ferencz: you ought to get some more friends. >> stahl: watching ben ferencz during his daily swim, his gym workout... >> ferencz: i'm showing off now. >> stahl: ...and his morning push-up regimen... >> ferencz: 100. >> stahl: ...is to realize he isn't just the sunniest man we've ever met. he may also be the fittest. >> ferencz: how was that? >> stahl: and that's just the beginning. >> ferencz: the case we present is a plea of humanity to law. >> stahl: this is ferencz making

his opening statement in the nuremberg courtroom, 73 years ago. >> ferencz: the charges we have brought accuse the defendants of having committed crimes against humanity. >> stahl: the nuremberg trials after world war ii were histororic, the fifirst internatioional war crcrimes tribunalals ever heleld. hitler's's top lieututenants wee prososecuted firirst. then, a seseries of susubsequent trials were momounted agaiainst otother nazi l leaders, ininclu2 s.s.s. officers s responsiblbler kikilling morere than a mimillin people-- n not in concncentratin camps, b but in townwns and vils across easastern europope. they would never have been brought to justice were it not for ben ferencz. you look so young. >> ferencz: i was so young. i was 27 years old. >> stahl: had you prosecuted trials before? >> ferencz: never in my life. i don't... >> stahl: come on. >> ferencz: ...recall if i'd ever been in a courtroom, actually. >> stahl: ferencz had immigrated to the u.s. as a baby, the son of poor jewish parents from a

small town in romania. he grew up in a tough new york city neighborhood, where his father found work as a janitor. ferencz learned quickly. he became the first in his family to go to college, then got a scholarship to harvard law school. but during his first semester, the japanese bombed pearl harbor, and he, like many classmates, raced to enlist. he wanted to be a pilot, but the army air corps wouldn't take him. >> ferencz: they said, "no, you're too short. your legs won't reach the pedals." the marines, they just looked at me and said, "forget it, kid." >> stahl: so, he finished at harvard, then enlisted as a private in the army. part of an artillery battalion, he landed on the beach at normandy and fought in the battle of the bulge. toward the end of the war, because of his legal training, he was transferred to a brand new unit in general patton's third army, created to investigate war crimes. as u.s. forces liberated

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researchers in berlin, one of whom found a cache of top secret documents in the ruins of the german foreign ministry. >> ferencz: he gave me a bunch of... of binders, four binders. and these were daily reports from the eastern front-- which unit entered which town, how many people they killed. it was classified. so many jews, so many gypsies, so many "others." >> stahl: ferencz had stumbled upon reports sent back to headquarters by secret s.s. units called einsatzgruppen, or action groups. their job had been to follow the german army as it invaded the soviet union in 1941, and kill communists, gypsies and especially jews. >> ferencz: they were 3,000 s.s. officers trained for the purpose and directed to kill, without pity or remorse, every single jewish man, woman and child they could lay their hands on. >> stahl: so, they went right in after the troops? >> ferencz: that was their assignment: come in behind the

troops, round up the jews, kill them all. >> stahl: only one piece of film is known to exist of the einsatzgruppen at work. it isn't easy to watch. >> ferencz: well, this is typical operation. well, see here, this... they rounded them up. they all have already tags on them, and they're chasing them. >> stahl: they're making them run to their own death? >> ferencz: yes. yes. there's the rabbi coming along there. just put them in the ditch, shoot them there. you know, kick them in. >> stahl: oh, my god. oh, my god. >> stahl: this footage came to light years later. at the time, ferencz just had the documents, and he started adding up the numbers. >> ferencz: when i reached over a million people murdered that way-- over a million people, that's more people than you've ever seen in your life-- i took a sample. i got on the next plane, flew from berlin down to nuremberg, and i said to taylor, "general, we've got to put on a new trial." >> statahl: but ththe trials w e alalready undeder way, andnd prososecution ststaff was ststrd thin. tayloror told fererencz addingng anotother trial l was impossssi. >> ferenencz: and i i start

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about 34,000 reported, including women and children. after they had been made to give up their clothing and valuables, all of them were killed, which took several days." exhibit 84, from einsatzgruppen d in march of 1942: "total number executed so far: 91,678." einsatzgruppen d was the unit of ferencz's lead defendant, otto ohlendorf. he didn't deny the killings; he had the gall to claim they were done in self-defense. >> ferencz: he was not ashamed of that. he was proud of that. he was carrying out his government's instructions. >> stahl: how did you not hit him? >> ferencz: there was only one time i wanted to. ( aughs ) really. one of these... my defendants said... ( laughs ) he gets up, and he says, "was? die juden wurden erschossen? ich hore es zum ersten mal horen." which is: "what? the jews were shot? i hear it here for the first time."

boy, i felt if i'd had a bayonet, i would've jumped over the thing and put a bayonet right through one ear and let it come out the other, you know? you know? >> stahl: yeah. >> ferencz: that son of a bitch. >> stahl: and you had his name down on a piece of... >> ferencz: and i've got... i've got his reports of how many he killed, you know? "i'm an innocent lamb." >> stahl: did you look at the defendants' faces? >> ferencz: defendants' face were blank, all the time. defendants, absolutely blank. they could... like, they... they're waiting... they're waiting for a bus. >> stahl: what was going on inside of you? >> ferencz: of me? >> stahl: yeah. ( laughs ) >> ferencz: i'm still churning. >> stahl: to this minute? >> ferencz: i'm still churning. >> stahl: all 22 defendants were found guilty, and four of them, including ohlendorf, were hanged. ferencz says his goal from the beginning was to affirm the rule of law and deter similar crimes from ever being committed again. did you meet a lot of people who

perpetrated war crimes who would otherwise in your opinion have been just a normal, upstanding citizen? >> ferencz: "of course" is my answer. these men would never have been murderers had it not been for the war. these were people who could quote goethe, who loved wagner, who were polite. >> stahl: what turns a man into a savage beast like that? >> ferencz: he's not a savage. he's an intelligent, patriotic human being. >> stahl: he's a savage when he does the murder, though. >> ferencz: no. he's a patriotic human being, acting in the interest of his country, in his mind. >> stahl: you don't think they turn into savages even for the act? >> ferencz: do you think the man who dropped the nuclear bomb on hiroshima was a savage? now i will tell you something very profound, which i have learned after many years: war makes murderers out of otherwise decent people. all wars, and all decent people. >> stahl: so, ferencz has spent the rest of his life trying to deter war and war crimes by

establishing an international court like nuremberg. he scored a victory when the international criminal court in the hague was created in 1998. he delivered the closing argument in the court's first case. now, you've been at this for 50 years, if not more. we've had genocide since then. >> ferencz: yes. >> stahl: in cambodia. >> ferencz: going on right this minute, yes. >> stahl: going on right this minute in sudan. >> ferencz: yes. >> stahl: we've had rwanda, we've had bosnia. you're not getting very far. >> ferencz: well, don't say that. people get discouraged. they should remember, from me, it takes courage not to be discouraged. >> stahl: did anybody ever say that you're naive? >> ferencz: of course. some people say i'm crazy. >> stahl: are you naive here? >> ferencz: well, if it's naive to want peace instead of war, let them make sure they say i'm naive because i want peace instead of war. if they tell me they want war instead of peace, i don't say they're naive; i say they're stupid. stupid to a incredible degree to send young people out to kill

other young people they don't even know, who never did anybody any harm, never harmed them. that is the current system. i am naive? that's insane. ( applause ) thank you so much. >> stahl: ferencz is legendary in the world of international law, and he's still at it. >> ferencz: so, you're going to help me save the world? >> woman: i hope so. >> stahl: he never stops pushing his message. >> ferencz: law, not war. never give up. >> girl: never give up. >> stahl: and he's donating his life savings to a genocide prevention initiative at the holocaust museum. he says he's grateful for the life he's lived in this country, and it's his turn to give back. you are such an idealist. >> ferencz: i don't think i'm an idealist; i'm a realist, and i see the progress. the progress has been remarkable. look at the emancipation of woman in my lifetime. you're sitting here as a female. look what's happened to the same-sex marriages. to tell somebody a man can become a woman, a woman can become a man, and a man can marry a man, they would have said, "you're crazy." but it's a reality today.

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virtually unknown in the u.s. when he moved here six years ago. but james corden will tell you he had already put in his 10,000 hours-- a deft physical actor who, by his late 20s, had achieved success and fame in britain. and as we first reported in november, corden says he's on a lifelong quest for happiness, and he'll do almost anything to move the needle on his audience's happy scale. james, we are ready, if you are ready. >> james corden: i'm ready. yes, are you ready? >> whitaker: i am-- i think i'm ready. eight feet away, and right on cue. >> corden: can i be honest, bill? i wrote an email, and i was saying, "what should i wear? should i just wear a suit?" and they said, "no." they said, "bill won't be wearing a suit." ( laughs ) >> whitaker: oh, no. but i read that you're kind of a fashion person. i said, "well, i guess i should up my game a little bit." >> corden: well-- and i have to say, it's not gone unnoticed. you've matched the socks to the suit. that's-- >> whitaker: beyond... >> corden: --important to have a well-dressed ankle.

that's what i think. yeah. >> whitaker: we spoke with james corden at the fabled sunset tower hotel in west hollywood, a stone's throw from another iconic institution: cbs television city, where for 5.5 years, he's clocked-in at 9:00 a.m., four days a week, to take on the serious business of delivering a show each night-- now taping under strict covid-19 protocols. how has it changed your show? how has it changed what you do? >> corden: well, i think it's-- it's changed everything, in a sense, you know? we like to think of it as being about scale, about size and getting out of the studio and running out into the road and shooting big sketches, big numbers, big ambition. and obviously, those things are very difficult at this moment. >> whitaker: with no audience and fewer guests on the couch, corden's more than made do, first doing the show from his garage, and now back in the studio, easily riffing with his

band. and, on this occasion, this reporter to witness the process, warts and all. >> corden: american is great again, isn't it? that won't be in the show! bill, give me a break! >> whitaker: corden thinks everything they do now is looser, and he puts a premium on calling it as it is. >> corden: ♪ maybe i'm immune it's okay to go out for a ride ♪ ♪ with others trapped inside ♪ i will say that as time's gone on, as we've been living under this administration, i don't even consider it to be politics. i consider it to be right and wrong. i consider it to be good versus evil. ( laughs ) we are more than comfortable talking about anything. we also feel like we're an

entertainment show. our primary concern is to just try and make you laugh somehow. that's really what we love to do. and-- i'll really stop at nothing to try. ( laughs ) it may not always work. ( laughs ) but i'll give it my best shot, you know. >> whitaker: corden burst onto the late night landscape, not to rip up the notion of the talk show, but to make one that would travel on the internet. add to that, much of the show's success is rooted in corden's nature. >> corden: so, hang on, am i moving into your house? >> whitaker: an affable, droll brit whose appeal draws megastars, and who each night hosts more of a cocktail party than a late show. ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ and then there's what corden modestly calls their digital outreach-- highly produced segments designed more to break the internet than travel through it.

>> go, go, go! >> whitaker: tell me about some of the sketches that have caught on. "spill your guts." >> corden: "spill your guts or fill your guts." yeah, there is a common thread in all of these, and all of these are about showing the human being inside this very, very famous person. that's actually what it is. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> whitaker: nowhere is it truer than in the front seat of james corden's range rover. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ a few years ago, you would have been forgiven for not knowing what "carpool karaoke" is. today, you have no excuse. >> corden: "carpool karaoke." the core of it really isn't the songs.

the core of it is the intimacy of the interview, that these are some of the most famous people on planet earth. you know, the-- the-- the biggest singers in the world and they're in an-- environment which is completely humanizing. this traffic has been terrible, i really appreciate it. >> i got ya. >> whitaker: james corden turned a guileless invitation to drive around los angeles into something he hangs the show on. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ each carpool is a viral sure bet. ♪ enough is enough is enough ♪ >> whitaker: sometimes taking an entire day to produce, and often outpacing his tv audience by 100 million views. notable because, at first, nobody wanted to do it. it was hard to get them to get in your car? >> corden: hard, are you joking? of course it was! imagine getting that call. ( laughs ) you're, like, adele's publicist. like, "yeah, so it's a host

who's show is completely unproven. they've never hosted a show before. we'd love you to just get in a car and drive around and sing your songs. and we're not really sure about the insurance on this one." you know, it was crazy. i mean, we managed to get mariah carey-- and i will always be indebted to her for saying yes. so, i genuinely, honestly, don't know if we'd have this conversation if she hadn't said yes. i think it's that important to our show. >> whitaker: do you have a favorite? >> corden: well, there's-- there's so many. i mean, the, the-- doing it with paul mccartney will probably take some beating from me personally. it was just a-- just-- a day i'll never, ever forget. >> whitaker: what sticks out in your mind about that day? >> corden: all of it. ♪ penny lane ♪ sometimes i think, if that was an auction prize, what would it go for, you know? and i'm at work.

what? >> whitaker: and like so many other segments, corden's carpool with the beatle has brought a smile and a song to more than 56 million people who've watched it online. >> corden: they'll never believe that. it's really the-- the bedrock of-- of what our show is built on. but i think when the show started, we were in-- i don't know-- eight or ten countries. and i think now we're in over 100 countries. it's utterly bemusing to me how far that reaches. >> whitaker: this is like a cultural phenomenon. >> corden: i just-- yeah, i-- i- - i'm-- i'm-- i'm-- you're making me feel incredibly british by not being able to even look you in the eye during a compliment or any kind of recognition of success. ( laughs ) >> whitaker: corden grew up an hour outside of london. the only son of working class parents, his mother was a social

worker, and his father, a musician and bible salesman. corden was scarcely interested in academics-- drama class being the exception. >> corden: i got a "b" in drama and a "c" in home economics, which i think is clear to you that those are the only-- if you look at me now, those are really two things i took a primary interest in, which is performing and eating. ( laughs ) >> whitaker: you talk about-- often, about the-- the struggle you have had with eating, and with your weight. >> corden: yeah. >> whitaker: and you were bullied because of-- of your weight, in school. >> corden: i don't look back at my time at school that-- that i was bullied because of my size. in truth, that's probably where all of that faux confidence comes from. it was all a defense mechanism of, like, well, i'll be the biggest target in the room. bullies don't like that. bullies-- confidence is, like, kryptonite to bullies.

>> whitaker: james corden's confidence was equal to his ambition. at 17, he found his calling and his voice, albeit with just one line, in a musical in london's west end. he was a working actor for much of his 20s, but big lead roles were elusive, so he decided to write the part for himself, co- creating and starring in one of the u.k.'s most popular tv comedies, "gavin and stacey." it won him awards and made him famous in the u.k. at 34, corden married julia carey. they're now raising three children in los angeles, because hollywood came calling after his performance on broadway in the slapstick "one man, two guvnors." it won him a tony award for best actor, and grabbed the attention of american critics and television executives alike. >> corden: it was glorious, doing that show and playing that role. and-- and i can really chart sort of everything that's

happened in my professional life as everything before that play and everything that happened after that play. >> whitaker: and there's a lot to consider. the latest is a glitzy musical adapapted from b broadway ababor washeded-up theateter actors atattempting a a comeback throuh celebrity y activism.. >> cordeden: you'll l become celelebrity actitivists! > whitaker:r: "the promom" premieiered on netetflix lastt decembmber. wiwith big numbers a and spectar setsts, the filmlm shows offff corden's t talents foror what he calllls his "othther career"r"-a deep love e of acting g and performiming. so many of your fans have never seen you do the song-and-dance routine. >> corden: you know, when i took the job as the host of "the late late show," lots of people told me, "oh, y-- that's it. you'll never act again." so, really, i was so keen to prove them wrong, that there was a world in which i could do this. and i guess this is a test for that.

>> whihitaker: thehe movie feaes corden, , alongside andrew r ras and oscacar winners s nicole kin and the mamarvelous memeryl str. we spoke with her remotely. so, what did you think when you found out james corden was going to be a co-star in your film? >> meryl streep: well, i was-- i was thrilled. i i think he's one of the most preternaturally talented actors, wrwriters, improrovisers, musis. he's-- h he's a quadadruple, quintuple threat. so, it's-- it's fun to work with him. it's fun o be with him. >> whitaker: how is it that he gets such a wide array of people, including people like you, to-- to go along with some of the crazy stuff he does on his show? >> streep:p: well, he-- you know you're in safe h hands, i think. i don't-- i-- he's not going to push you over a clcliff. it's like, great-- great directors-- you feel safe with them. and d i think-- jajames, you s-u

trust that he's-- he's got t ths in hand. yeah. >> whitaker: at 42, it's a good bet james corden will continue to surprise, delight and evolve before our eyes. with a sage understanding of his fickle industry, corden delights in his success, but doesn't take any of it for granted. >> corden: i think my job is to care about the show-- to-- to a ridiculous amount, the beat of it, the tone of it. until the moment i start hosting it. and then my job is to just only be on a quest for fun. a lifelong, up at dawn, pride- swallowing siege for fun. >> whitaker: i love that. >> corden: that's all it's about, isn't it? that's what everything's about. ( ticking ) >> hear more from james corden. >> what are you optimistic about right now? >> 90% of everything.

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