. good morning. welcome to "mosaic." i'm ron swisher. it's always a privilege to host "mosaic." today, we have a legend music in the bay area. if you go to glide 9 and 10:00 or 10:00 and 11:00 on sunday, if you go to scott on sunday and monday and tuesday at 6:00 to 9:00, if you don't go to any of the venues, you're missing a great legend in our midsaturday. he is at a number of other venues and you will find him there for almost 30 years. and i say, he's been in the bay

area over 50 doing what he does and we're blass blessed to have john kirk. [ music ] [ music ] >> what a blessing. great to you have, john. >> a pleasure. >> great. great. i saw you probably 40 something years ago. >> oh, no, no. >> but john, the third street antics. >> right. >> and he would play all of the different clubs. >> right. >> and you have been around.

tell us about your background? >> well, i actually started playing in the oakland area around 1965, '66. >> wow. >> with a guy named johnny hartsman. >> okay. >> he was a guitarplier, organ player and fruit player and he wanted to expand the band. he only had the saxophone, drums and he wanted to add instruments. i guess he heard about me and one night, i age came and sat in with his band. i guess i did okay. so he hired me. and we were playing at this place called the showcase. and this is many moons ago. and he decided he wanted to be a band leader. so, the three of us that were left, we got together and

formed our own organ trio. i went and but me an organ and we got busy. >> when did the trumpet come in? the trumpet and piano at the same time? >> well, actually, he, he saw me do it and he was known for being a little late. so he started being late at this particular gig. we were at the showcase. >> uh-huh. >> and i would just sit in. he hired me as a trumpet player. >> okay. >> he didn't hire me to play the organ and started taking advantage of the pack that i could play the organ and came in late. we played the first like maybe 10 or 15 minutes and i got, you know, pretty good at the organ. i kept listening to my jimmy smith record, you know. >> when he called, i think that is jimmy smith on there?

>> that is the me. >> that's use? >> that is me. >> okay. >> and like i said, when he decided to go solo, that is when the three-of-us that were left formed a band and that was it. >> that's it. >> i know you performed with a lot of great artists. >> uh-huh. >> and we're going to talk about that in the next segment. we have a minute left in this segment. so, send us out with something. >> uh-huh. [ music ]

. we have been listening to john turk. he is, as i said, a ridge end here in the bay area. -- a legend here in the bay area, grew up in vallejo and playing for all of the greats we can name from etta jones to lou rawls and bb king. you can see him on a regular

basis at glide at 9:00 and 11:00. how did that begin? how did you connect the great music with the spirituality of the glide? >> it was fate. i was supposed to be there for two weeks. >> oh. >> the queer director was playing with a r&b group in outing africa. for a couple of weeks. while he was gone, they needed someone to, you know, play keyboard. >> uh-huh. >> and so, a buddy of mine that played drums at glade already, called me up and asked me did i want to do the gig for a couple of weeks. i said, sure. and i play said and william did not play the trumpet. but, i played and i played the trump the. he liked that.

>> uh-huh. >> and i guess he liked it. >> you say that. so, when the director, dorsey was his name, when he came back, they didn't find me. i stayed. >> you stayed on. >> i stayed and i stayed. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> it's been quite the experience. people come from all over the world to celebrate as well as the liberating programs that are there. ceaseile williams, of course, and all of the work that they do. a lot of people come for that glide ensemble. how did that manage to develop? >> they always had acquire. but as time went on, we expanded the band. >> uh-huh. >> we started when the saxophone. one of the best saxophone players anywhere. charles mcneil. >> uh-huh.

>> i had him to come in. we were getting ready to maaing a record and cecil liked that saxophone and the trumpet. >> that was added on. >> right and we were getting ready to do another cd. i said, why don't we add a trombone? that is when joe burman -- . >>, huh. >> came in and we ended up with three horns. and we had them ever since. >> this has been 15, 20 years. when it comes to the choir, being there in the choir. -- and occurs throughout the night. six to eight sogs. >> how do you select the songs? i know they have a lot to do with it. you select the songs. >> first, i got to see what

soloests are there. >> and i tried to set the mood for the preacher to preach. >> uh-huh. >> and i think that is my primary job. and, you know, first you want to wake the people up. you don't want to start over anything slow. >> okay. >> and then the next song, you can't keep hitting them like that, you know. you have to wake them up. >> and calm them down. [ laughter ] >> and then fire them back up. i mop that is may way of doing it. and so far, it's worked. then something before the preacher preaches. >> uh-huh. >> that really would touch you, you know. really do something -- . >> and you have to all be in fine with that spirit as you go along. >> oh, yeah.

>> the concern, what song is going to be. >> yeah. >> you're trying to bring the people in. >> uh-huh. >> you want to bring them into the spirit of what is going on at glide. and music, touches the way. >> yeah. >> and the soul and the spirit. >> i read a lot but. you know and in the world where they said the second of music and the spirit of music. some people like to keep that divorce. you have learned to combine the two. any way you have done that and did it successfully? and clues how you do that? people have a difficult time sometimes seeing the two together. >> i never. i never think about that. because i -- to me, i am

doing what i am supposed to do. >> you call to do. that. >> and i feel like a plumber would if you fix the plumbing. >> you do what you have to do? >> yeah, you call to fix someone's plumbing. you don't want to ask what religion they are, you know. and that is how i feel about what i do. i am a musician. >> uh-huh. >> and i am doing what i am supposed to do. >> okay. >> and we're blessed because of paco and carla who put this up for what you brought. we would not have been able to hear the great sounds. this is the first time in my 13 years of doing mosaic that i have had a musician be able to do this. let's close out the segment with another number. >> all right. [ music ]

. >> welcome back to "mosaic." i'm ron swisher. you probably heard great sounds if you're with us. i read more on john turk and his mom and dad were great in music. they introduced him at the age of five. he's been playing since five. mastering the instruments and has the young son. i think he's named milesar someone we know, too. >> yeah. >> and tell us about your

family's influence? >> i started my mom she played in the church. >> okay. >> and she didn't play by ear but by reading music. >> uh-huh. >> and andy sheehan said me a few things to scales of stuff and how to read music. then i had a crazy cousin. cousin leroy. leroy played the piano but he played boogie woogie. he showed me how to [ music ] anyway, i got into it, you know and once i hear the boogie woogie. i was gone. >> that was it? >> that was it. all over for me. >> and what does your dad do? >> my dad loved the music so much. he would go and buy the roars.

my mom didn't buy any. >> right. >> and he would get the records by i voro. >> reporter: hap a nat king cold. -- ivory johanna and nat king cole. i would sit there and listen to him for hours. >> it was great? >> yeah. >> how did you manage to get with people like lou rawls and bb king. esther phillips? >> at the time, there was a club owned by don barksdale. >> i remember him. >> it was caught called the show i case and there were two clubs. the showcase and sportsman. >> okay. >> and he would say bobby buble in one club and low remarks awls at the other. -- lou rawls at the other. and i got to play with everybody who was big, you know. they called it the chipman circuit. coming from vallejo, i thought

i was -- man. heaven. i mean i got to play with and talk with the greatest r&b. >> uh-huh. >> entertainers in the world. i mean it doesn't get better than that eta james, lou rawls, bernie andrews. >> right. >> and charles muscle white? >> yeah. i played on a record with him years ago. and so, it was great for me. >> in the travels, i think i heard you say, that one of the most difficult things about being a musician is the travels. >> yeah. >> you don't miss that? >> no. i liked it, though, to go to bed in my own bed. >> yeah. >> you know. >> and i, at the time i had two kids. i never will forget. i played at the regal theater in chicago. >> uh-huh.

>> and i, i got to meet some of the members of the band with lloyd price. and -- . >> another legend. >> yeah. >> and so, some of those musicians have been on the road with already price for years. >> he is still in the music? >> i am not sure. >> i think he is. >> and they only see their kids like once a year. twice a year. or if they would come -- difficult. >> you know, and i don't want to do that. >> no. >> and ride on a bus. >> you mentioned earlier you have to check out the solos before you select certain songs. >> right. >> one of the solos is your wife. >> yeah. yeah. she -- . >> cheryl, right? >> right. >> and you have been married, 20 years?

>> should have been but continue. ton. i am not saying it because she's my wife, because she can really sing. she's great. i always look forward -- we heard you at the annual conference at -- conference at the united methodist church last month. >> right. >> and we heard her and the choir and of course your band and all that you bring. >> thank you. thank you. >> we were quite blessed . >> when i go and see you at scotts which, i did not long ago, i ask for certain sogs and "my funny valentine." you still have that on your repertoire? >> yeah, for a bit [ music ] [

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. >> you might be wondering who is the young man in the center here. this is miles. the son of john and cheryl, and played the drums and you told him to come up and join us in the last segment. john, play stand. that is one of the standards there at floyd. [ music ] [ music ] music ]

>> if you come to glide on sundays, you will hear this kind of great music and great soloists and great ministry there. next time you're in town, we will have young miles bring his drums and get him up here. but i want you to close out with one of my favorites, a song for you. donnie hathaway and leon russell wrote it, but donnie hathaway is the one who owns the song. so, i want to thank you, john, for being here and bringing

your many gifts. there you go. [ music ] [ music ]

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