back? yes, they can, but it is already back other places. >> brennan: now u.s. intelligence officials are warning that america's chaotic withdrawal is inspiring terrorist groups abroad. and the hate espoused by extremists at home is now eerily im lar. >> there is little cultural overlap between violent extremists at home and violent extremists abroad. they are children of the same foul spirit. >> brennan: we'll hear from a key republican voice on foreign policy, adam kinzinger, a veteran of the wars in iraq and afghanistan. we'll discuss the security threats facing america now with former acting c.i.a. director michael morell. then, as covid's ferocious delta variant continues to spread, president biden issues a sweeping vaccine mandate that may rest on shaky legal ground. >> biden: we've been

patient, but our patience is wearing thin, and your refusal as cost all of us. >> brennan: one group that clearly needs protection: children, too young to be vaccinated, who are being hospitalized with covid in record numbers, as the school year gets into full swing. we'll talk with the top pediatrician, dr. james versalovic, and we'll check in with alberto carvalho, the september superintendent of schools in miami-dade county, where at least 13 employees have passed away from coronavirus in just the past month. and we'll get the latest on a timeline for children's covid vaccine from dr. scott gottlieb. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." yesterday americans marked a somber milestone: 20

years since the september 11th attack, an event that up-ended american life and launched the war on terror. we'll have more on thoadnal sitte but this morning americans are waking up to another threat: the delta variant continues its unrelenting spread. president biden now faces a swelling economy and his frustration with the 80 million americans who remain unvaccinated is clear. he is now requiring federal workers to take the vaccine and mandating some private businesses to do so, too, or submit to weekly testing. but that order could soon face legal challenges. cbs senior national correspondent mark strassmann is in atlanta with the latest on covid's impact. >> reporter: covid's back to school lesson: how vulnerable kids are, making up more than one in four new covid cases. >> how are the parents okay with that? how are they just okay with that over a mask? >> reporter: for the

sickest covid kids, hospitalization rates spiked almost 10-fold since late june. alarm in los angeles, the second largest school district just mandated vaccinations for eligible students. >> that's why there isn't measles and mumps and rebrubella in our schools, because we vaccinate. >> reporter: on friday, a judge upheld the governor's ban. >> let the parents make the decision that is best for their kids. if you want the masks, do it, if you don't, don't, that's fine. >> reporter: but florida's pandemic politics has consequences. in miami, eve coleman, an elementary math teacher for three decades, died of covid. >> he was a great co-worker to many people. >> reporter: coleman became one of 13 miami-dade teachers and staff to die of the virus already this school year.

all of them unvaccinated. covid also killed more than 2400 floridans last week, another state record. four were children uder 16. with the unvaccinated, many college campuses have gone from pleading to punishing. ohio state will deny them housing and in-person classes next spring. at some universities, fines up to $200 a week. more than 700 colleges and universities have mandate vaccines. but this i.c.u. in boise, idaho reflects the situation. >> they all ask, what could i have done? will the vaccine save them now? no. >> reporter: pfizer's vaccine for kids between the ages of five and 11 reportedly could get f.d.a. approval by next

month. roughly 25,000 kids have tested positive in the first six weeks of school. marrying? >> brennan: thank you very much. we want to go now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb, who sits on the board of pfizer. he has a new book coming out too next week: "uncontrolled spread: how covid-19 crushed us and how we can defeat the next pandemic." sott, it is great to see you again. >> doctor: good to see you. >> brennan: states can mandate vaccines. the federal government has never done something like this before, outside of the u.s. military. the republican governor of arkansas was on tv today saying this is going to backfire. he is trying to convince people to take the vaccine, and because the federal government is telling them to, it will be even harder. does this mandate make sense practically speaking? >> doctor: i think the downside of this mandate, in terms of hardening positions and taking something that is suddenly

political and making it overtly political will outweigh some of the benefits we could achieve. most people will complete the series of vaccines. that's a very high number of people vaccinated. we're not going to get above 90%. we don't even really reach 90% with childhood vaccinations, which are mandated. i would have state we would have gotten to 80% in short order. perhaps with a mandate on small businesses, maybe you get to 85%, but it is going to be slow because this is going to get litigated. you will have to issue guiguidance and give a grace period. in the short-term, a lot of businesses who might have mandate vaccines, will say i'm going to wait for osha. so in the near term you could discourage some vaccinations. >> brennan: osha is going to come from the labor department, and they

haven't filed that yet. that's what we're referring to. >> doctor: right. >> brennan: the president, what he said was mandating a vaccine for businesses, and if employees at those businesses don't take it, the alternative is to get weekly testing. do we have the testing capacity in the country to do that right now? >> doctor: we would have the testing capacity to do it, but it puts a big burden on businesses to operationalize that. so i think a lot of businesses are going to opt to try to force workers to get vaccinated, if in fact this ever goes into effect. we're talking about a very long timeline -- >> brennan: many already were, right? >> doctor: many businesses are. the federal government's action to require federal employees to get vaccinated, which is probably in their purview to do that in the function of federal readiness, that gives plenty of political coverage for more businesses to implement them for their own mandates. so i don't think we have to reach down to the level

of small businesses with 100 or employees and put a federal requirement on it. i don't think the federal government should be dictating this. we should leave these decisions to local communities and businesses to make assessments of what their risk is, what their settings are, whether vaccine requirements are absolutely necessary to protect people in those settings. >> brennan: well, kids still can't get a vaccine if they're between the ages of five and 11. when will it be available to them? >> doctor: well, i'm more familiar with the process for pfizer, the company i'm on the board of. they said they'll have data by the end of september. they could be ready within days of that. the f.d.a. says it will be a matter of weeks, not months, to make a determination if they're going to authorize vaccines for kids between five to 11. i interpret that to be perhaps four weeks, maybe

six weeks. you could potentially have a vaccine available to children aged five to 11 by halloween if everything goes well, if the f.d.a. ultimately makes a decision. i've have confidence in pfizer, in terms of the data they have collected, but this is up to the f.d.a. to make a decision. >> brennan: and it is up to parents if they want to use a vaccine under emergency use for their children. if you're a parent, what do you ask your pediatrician, and are there options out there? > >> doctor: yeah. i think parents should look at this as a decision where there is some latitude in terms of what you do with your child. you should consult your pediatrician and have a conversation. parents have understandable concerns about putting any new medical product in a child. it is any vaccine or any they wtherapeutic. this is not a choice of do i vaccinate my child or not. there are different ways to approach vaccination. you could go with one dose. er dose vaccinetially wait

to be available. if yr ceadyas had covid, one dose may be sufficient. there are a lot of decisions pediatricians can make, exercising discretion in the context of what an individual child's needs are, what the risks are, and what the parents' concerns are. pediatricians are very good at counseling through these decisions, and i think they could provide good, objective advice to parents. >> brennan: what about the parents themselves. we've seen this israeli dat ta showing that the i immunization could wane after six months. when will the booster follow? >> doctor: the agency could be in a position to act very quickly, depending on what the outcome of that meeting

is. if there is a recommendation from the f.d.a.'s external advisors to license boosters, the agency could act very quickly. they would meet and make a recommendation about what population should receive boosters. conventional wisdom is if boosters are approved, it would be for people who are at risk. for those who are immunocompromised. i think the next trench would be older individuals, particularly individuals who live in congregate settings, like nursing homes. pfizer has filed their application with the f.d.a. i think j & j will be in a position also to file a package with the f.d.a. soon as well. they have very good data also looking at boosters, and that could be in a position to get authorized by the f.d.a. in short order. >> brennan: very quickly, governors issue mandates for kids to get vaccines. do you expect covid to be any different?

>> doctor: in time, no. i think you're going to see more local school districts and governors make those recommendations. eventually asip will be making a recommendaton if this should be in the childhood vaccine schedule. but i would expect this eventually to be part of the childhood immunization schedule. >> brennan: dr. gottlieb, always good to talk to you. and "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us. [fast upbeat music begins] [music stops] and release. [deep exhale] [fast upbeat music resumes] [music stops] (upbeat pop music in background throughout)

the live better u program basically just provides the answer to the question: what if? with live better u, my 'what ifs' were erased. ♪ ♪ >> brennan: tomorrow lawmakers will get their chance for the first time to question the biden administration on that chaotic military withdrawal from afghanistan. meanwhile, the taliban is solidifying control in kabul, raising their flag over the afghan presidential palace. our charlie d'agata is in neighboring pakistan. charlie, u.s. intelligence is already acknowledging that the victory is inspiring jihadist

propaganda. what are you hearing about how the chaos of this withdrawal will impact the u.s.? >> reporter: we have to make clear that the taliban are claiming victory, and, of course, that is going to embolden jihadists in this region. the priority is al-qaeda in afghanistan and here in pakistan. almost everybody we have spoken to here and in afghanistan, including the outgoing afghan government, if you want to call them that, said al-qaeda is intrinsically linked with the taliban, in terms of how afghanistan is now. they are in trouble. there is a deep humanitarian crisis going on now. so they need an outreach. they need legitimacy from the united states, the international community, but if they don't get it, there are others that are willing to fill that void. i'm talking about players like russia and china, who if the taliban don't play by the rules in international standards, they are there to move in. >> brennan: the c.i.a. chief was in pakistan thiss. has

lost capabilities without a footprint in afghanistan. does that mean we are more reliant on pakistan now? >> reporter: well, right now after william burns came on wednesday, a couple days later, just on saturday, the intelligence chiefs of russia, china, iran, and other local countries here met with the intelligence leaders here as well. so there is a sense that the united states is being sidelined. prime minister imran kahn said you have to thundering twice if you think the united states is going to reestablish a base here. so the u.s. needs to have some sort of footprint here, but for the time being, they're being pushed out by other a inamab we go t republi congressman adam kinzinger of illinois. good morning to you. >> good morning.

>> brennan: intelligence officials are predicting that al-qaeda could reconstitute in as little as 12 months. have you heard a strategy from the administration yet? tomorrow you'll be able to put questions like th that to the secretary of state. >> no, i haven't. you keep hearing about this nebulous, over the horizon capability. i think what is important to understand what over the horizon capability is. it basically says if we see a target of opportunity, we have the ability to come forward and strike it. we can do some of that in areas we hear about a one-off drone strike. but keep in mind when we defeated isis, frins in syria and iraq, we had to embed people with the local forces to be able to get the intel necessary for those strikes. but i've heard nothing but the nebulous over the horizon capability. and, secondly, your prior guest was talking about having to rely on the russians or china is

playing a big role. that is what happens when you leave a position that we had there in afghanistan. >> brennan: i'm not going to litigate the leave or stay, it's done, right? and the american public overwhelmingly seems to support the concept. but on the practicalities, on the national security front, the president said yesterday to reporters when he was asked about the chaotic withdrawal, it is hard to explain to anybody how else you could do it. if you pulled up a plane in another country, for example, you would also, quote, "have people hanging in the wheel wells, c'mon." was this as unavoidable as he was suggesting? >> you know, i don't think it is. i get arm-chair quarterbacking, and it is easy for some people to come up and say the prior president would have done it perfectly. whatever. i think there are so many people that know military strategy and policy and said, look, even if we made thetht we're leaving and it is an

unnegotiable decision, there are a couple of key points. we always talk about the air base in bagram, and we could have defended that until every american citizen wow out was out. that's when those 6,000 marines and other soldiers that rushed into the kabul airport actually could have pushed out and defended kabul proper, the city. because the taliban at that point had no interest incoming into the city yet. we could have had the evacuation on our timetable. >> brennan: on that evacuation, it was the ambassador in kabul who issued it on august 12th, and kabul fell 12 days later. do you hold him responsible for that? and was the timeline here a real factor? >> you know, look, i think there are a lot of people that bear blame, and the secretary of state is one of these. i think it would be nice,

and even under the prior president i would say this exact thing, for some people to just take responsibility. that's what the american people want, for somebody to say this is on me. in the case of the secretary of state, when we began to see the collapse of the afghan military, which actually started with the threats the taliban were doing on these night letters against afghan leaders and afghan military leaders, saying that the u.s. is leaving, and we're going to kill your family unless you give up your arms, and that's when the order should have been given to enter a defensive posture, get everybody out we can, and not have to wait the three days. a lot of us were watching this happen, we were talking about it, and it wasn't a surprise to many of us. >> brennan: i want to ask you about domestic extremism because you're one of the two republicans investigating the attack on the capitol on january 6th, there are at least two extremist groups expected this coming

saturday to attend a rally in defense of those who were arrested. have you been briefed on the security measures to protect the capitol? are you confident? >> we haven't been briefed yet. we know that the fence is coming back up. we expect to be briefed this week. yes, i feel confident in our law enforcement. but i think it is an important point here. everybody has a right to protest. nobody would argue that. but oh, george w. bush said something, and he said they may be culturally trvery different, but they're children of the same foul spirit, and they seek to divide people who may be different from them. that's why it is important that we, as republicans, and frankly as americans, should stand up where we shouldn't be worried about the seat of government. i have a lot of faith in our law enforcement, and hopefully we'll find out his week. >> brennan: so tomorrow?

when will we hear more about the security measures? you're not sure yet? >> i would love to hear more tomorrow. i would have loved to have heard it last week. i hope it is soon, though. >> brennan: we'll be watching that. i want to go to vaccines, this is a national security clet. threat. the president issued that mandate because he is frustrated. he said he is doing this because republican governors have been cavalier with their constituents, particularly kids. doesn't he have a point? >> i do think he has a point. look, i don't know if all of his mandates will hold up in court. there are constitutional questions on some of this. i'll leave that to lawyers. i really don't know. but i think it is going to save lives. and the failure here comes in leaders that have basically used vaccine status as some tattoo of what political tribe you belong to.

we all hear stories of people in red areas that are embarrassed to say they're vaccinated. that is insane. and that is a problem with leaders, particularly republican leaders, that don't stand up and give cover to people and say, look, this is not why republicanism or conservativeism should be. and you see governors who do, and they get pushed behind from people who manipulating our base and raise money off of them, and not care about their life, but only about what their votes mean. >> brennan: the r.n.c. has said they want to file, but that is rhetoric because nothing has been instituted yet by the administration. is that who you are referring to, when you say raising money off of it? >> it's everything. it is them, it's when -- when you look at really any republican -- not any republican, there are a lot not doing this, but there are some republican members of congress putting out fundraising after fundraising e-mail about first it is going to

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♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." late last night the f.b.i. released a newly declassified document related to the investigation of the 9/11 terror attacks. outlining contacts that hijackers had with saudi associates here in the u.s. it did not include any evidence that the saudi government was complicit. holly williams is in riad with a look at how that country is fighting against extremism. >> reporter: at alahia prison, saudi arabia says it is conforming convicted terrorists with music and sports. this is your coffee shop?

and even a coffee shop that the prisoners run themselves. this man was born a u.s. citizen to saudi parents in baton rouge, louisiana. >> i was there for five years, and it was very nice, a very nice experience. >> reporter: vazali and others filmed it, they say, for the prison's tv station. saudi officials a accompanied this at all times. he told us he traveled to afghanistan to train with the taliban just before the 9/11 attacks. >> i would like to have -- i want to try -- i want to try doing stuff like that. >> reporter: he was captured, held in guantanamo bay, and then u.s. military prisons before agreeing to give up his american citizenship and returning to saudi arabia a free man. he was later arr