captioning sponsored by cbs >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation," the challenges facing america continue to grow as democrats in washington's window of opportunity to make bold changes continues to narrow. after yet another cringe worthy display of partisan politics over the nation's ability to pay its bills, a disappointing jobs report. growing fears about inflation and supply-chain problems and sharpening battle lines on the vaccine, prescribed president bn continues to be upbeat yet realistic. >> biden: things in washington, as you all know, are awfully noisy. every disagreement is a

crisis, but we're making consistent, steady progress. >> brennan: but time is of the essence because this is in the rear-view mirror. >> in november 2022, we're going to reclaim the house and the united states senate. >> brennan: we'll have fresh insights into what americans are thinking in our new cbs news poll. and then we'll ask mary daly what is slowing our jobs recovery. with the pfizer vaccine for children between five and 11 nearly f.d.a. fast-track approval, we'll get an update on how soon that shot could be available from dr. scott gottlieb. plus a closer look at disinformation, misinformation, and their threat to democracy. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff's new book is "midnight in washington." and fiona hill has just written, "there is nothing for you here."

rounding out conversations, analyst chris krebs. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." after last week's disappointing jobs report and the latest round of budget battles on capitol hill, we are reminded yet again that covid continues to be the biggest drag on our economic recovery. we begin with cbs news senior national correspondent mark strassmann in atlanta this morning. >> hey, can you watch your language. (bleep). >> reporter: more than a moment, short of a disorder, covid america has functioning anxiety, day after day, living with this lingering virus. [yelling] >> reporter: upset,

uncertain, on edge, frustrated other people who ironically feel the same way won't come to sees.nd this pandemic. we'rl exh by itment. >> reporter: includicinated ame. our new cbs poll found 56% of them said they were at risk because of the unvaccinated. the virus with no end in sight has killed more than 700,000 americans. there is some hope, cases now declining in 32 states. >> one, two, three. >> reporter: and pfizer is hoping its vaccine for kids, ages five to 11, gets emergency approval by the end of the month. not a moment too soon as the delta variant remains pitiless. our nation's status also complicated, cash-happy consumers want to spend, but too often the message in stores: we're out of that. empty grocery stores in north carolina, and yet off the coast of southern

california aon ip for unloading. even good news seems to come with a catch. take america's new jobless rate: less than 5%. fewer than 200,000 new jobs were created last month, a major disappointment. even with millions of openings, employers can't find good help these days or any help. millions of jobless people now stay home. why risk working and catching covid, especially for med mediocre money. this strike has drifted into its second week. hundreds of health care workers demanding more staffing and better pay. they're stressed and they've had it. sound familiar? more pandemic stress is on its way for private employers. osha is working on issuing emergency guidance for mandatory vaccinations and testing for any company

that employs at least 100 people. at least 24 states have promised to fight it. margaret? >> brennan: mark, thank you. we want to take a look at america's views on some of those challenges facing the country, and particularly how president biden is handling them. our cbs news poll "out today," indicates that the president's approval rating is at 50%. it has stabilized following the chaotic afghanistan pullout, and is underpinned on positive views of handling the covid outbreak and distribution. but america's view of the economy has steadily decreased since this summer. less than 40% now think it is in good shape. joining us now is cbs news director of elections and surveys anthony salvanto. good morning to you, anthony. >> good morning. >> brennan: time and again we hear it is the virus that determines the direction of the economy. with that in mind, what ar americans telling you about whether or not they're willing to vaccinate their children

when it becomes available for five to 11 -year-olds? >> well, not everybody would. and i think that sets up one of the key numbers to track as we go forward in the next phase of fighting this pandemic. you've got just over a third who say immediately yes, they would. you've got almost as many who immediately say no, they would not. and then you have folks in the middle who are maybes. there is a strong connection between whether the parents themselves are vaccinated and whether they would get their kids, five to 11, vaccinated. it is a majority of vaccinated parents who would, and a majority of unvaccinated parents who say they would not. we've been tracking this in our polling. and it is a mixture of very personal reasons, but also some that have a political tinge to it. so there are folks, the majority of them unvaccinated, who say they're worried about the side effects for themselves. but there is also a majority that say they don't trust the government. some who are skeptical and they don't think that the

vaccine works. >> brennan: given all of that, what are americans telling you about what they're willing to do right now when it comes to going out and spending? >> yeah. and this is so important for the economy going forward. first of all, as the holiday season approaches, people are thinking about who they're going to visit, who they gather with, right? there are a quarter of folks who tell us this holiday season they're only going to gather with other vaccinated people. and there are some who think it will be a mixture of gathering with vaxxed and unvaxxed. but there is a third who say they're not sure. maybe that is an awkward conversation to have. maybe they don't know how to raise it. so that is sug something to watch in terms of behavior and who they hang out with. and there is the economy in terms of where people go and spend money. for the vaccinated people, they say they would be more comfortable if they knew there were vaccine requirements to, for example, get on a plane, go to a restaurant, even

go back to their workplace. that's the majority of people, so that economic impact could be pretty strong if they feel comfortable. maybe that puts more pressure on businesses to put those kinds of requirements in place. >> brennan: president biden said it was the virus impacting the jobs and hiring, but also said if his spending packages are passed, it will help to alleviate all of this. how is his efforts to get this passed resonating? >> well, first and foremost, a lot of people say they don't know what is in the proposal. in fact, it is only one in 10 that thinks they feel they know a lot of the specifics. then we went and we tested individual items in this, and what we learned was that people are more familiar with the potential costs and the spending aspects in dollar figures than they are with any of the particular policies that might end up in it. have a look at this:

you've got a majority of people who say they've heard something about that it might be $3.5 trillion in spending. you've got a majority of people who say they heard something about potential tax increases for higher-income people. but that really outweighs the number of people who heard about things about lowering medicare drug prices or medicare coverage being expanded to dental and eye and hearing. now, there is good news for democrats in this, too, even though there is this lack of knowledge, and that is that the policy proposals are popular in principle. where does that all leave you, though? wll, there aren't a majority of people who feel like this bill right now would help them and their family or help the economy. that's part of that disconnect and that lack of awareness, and this is going to be, i think, the big measure to watch going forward, margaret. >> brennan: anthony, thank you. we go now to california democrat adam schiff, chairman of the house intelligence committee,

and he is on the panel investigating the january 6 attack on the capitol, and the author of "midnight in washington: how we almost lost our democracy and still could." congressman, i want to start on the economy. you just heard, the public doesn't really know what is in this massive spending bill democrats are trying to muscle through along party lines. isn't this a significant problem for the party? >> i can't quarrel with any of the polling results. i hear the same thing, not enough americans know what is in this bill. but when they find out, they really applaud what's in it. in particular, expanding medicare to cover hearing and dental and vision care, lowering prescription drug prices and expanding family and paid medical leave, as well as child care and lifting children out of poverty. the provisions of the bill are hugely popular, but there is so much fix sation oationon what is the numt democrats and republicans

can come together on. i think this is a short-lived problem. we're going to get both of these bills passed. they'll to make the mistake we di did with the affordable care act. we're going to let them know how it is directly impacting them. >> brennan: don't democrats need to get ahead of of that messaging now? you need to show you can govern? >> that's right. one thing president biden has been pitch perfect on, this is first and foremost about helping americans get through this awful pandemic, but it is also key to the pro-democracy agenda that we have. we have to show that our democracy can deliver. >> brennan: right, but that's the challenge. when you're doing it only on party lines, it looks to people at home like they can't get along, washington is not working again. >> we have a republican

party that is autocratic around donald trump. it is not interested in governing. it is not interested in maintaining the solvency of the country. we have to recognize they're not interested in governing. so we're going to have to do it. we need to show that democracy delivers, that it can help people put food on the table. it can address these huge disparities in income. there is so much reason why our democracy is at this fragile point right now. and we need to, foremost, deliver on the economy but also on voting rights and stop these efforts to disenfranchise people. >> brennan: you just made an incredible statement about an autocratic cult. this is one of the themes in your book. you aren't often compared to conservative writers, like robert cagen, but you came to basically the same conclusion where he says essentially it is the republican party that is trying to lay the ground work to challenge the next

few elections. you say preparing the battlefield for the struggle to overturn the election. should they regain majorities in congress, they might be successful. you're saying we're on the cusp of a constitutional crisis. >> yes. and this is really why i wrote the book, because i wanted to sound the alarm that our democracy is hanging by a thread right now. as a member of the january 6 committee, i have to acknowledge there may be another violent attack on the capitol, but what is more pressing is what we see the republicans doing around the country, taking this big lie about the last election and running with it. i wanted to tell the story of how in four short years does our democracy become so threatened. one of the terrible realizations with me is that so many of the people i worked with across the aisle whom i admired and respected because they

believed what they were saying, turned out not to be believed at all. the onlythe only thing they card about was their position. they make small compromises of their valuesnden ubeonhings we discovered in the impeachment trial, really both trials, is that there is nothing wrong about our constitution, the provisions are brilliant. but unless they're animated by people who give content to their oath, that understand the importance of right and wrong, none of it works. and right now we saw grassley in iowa yesterday unable to condemn the president's effort to get the justice department to overturn the election. scalise this morning, another republican leader, unable to knowledge that the election wasn't stolen. it is these personal cap capitulations that are putting our country at risk. >> brennan: that is a

shift from where senator grassley was right after the events of january 6. i want to come back to where you lay blame. because you say it is we, the country, who made donald trump possible. he would not been able to break so many of our democratic norms had we not forgotten why we came to office in the first place. what responsibility do you think democrats have for damaging the faith of the country as well? >> well, i think democrats have been defending our democracy for the last five years. we have put up a valiant fight for the heart and soul of this country. i can't lay the blame at the democratic party. >> brennan: you don't take any responsibility? >> well, look, as i acknowledge in my book, there are lots of thanksgivthings icould have done differently, but at the end of the day, one of our two great parties has made

itself a truth anti-democratic cult, and the responsibility is on that party to once again to become a party of ideas. there are some hopeful signs. one of the things i want to emphasize in the there are great profiles encourage. one of them you're going to have on your show, fiona hill, people like dan coates, people like republicans like dan coates who did their duty, wouldn't carry out the president's big lies. we need to be inspired by those examples. because we all have a role to play and the preservation of this democracy. >> brennan: before i let you go, i need to ask you about the january 6 committee. when will you get hold of the documents at the white house that said they're okay with congress taking the trump era documents? >> very soon, i hope. >> brennan: what are you looking for? >> i applaud the biden administration for not asserting executive privilege, not trying

to -- because it is protecting its own prerogative to deprive the american people of the full information. hats off to the administration. we should, i think, getn cause the sitting president has the executive privilege. we also want to make sure that these witnesses come in and testify. and we are prepared to go forward and urge the justice department to criminally prosecute anyone who does not do their lawful duty. >> brennan: we will watch that carefully. congressman, thank you for your time today. we'll be back in a minute. ♪ kinda pat your feet ♪ ♪ it's all right ♪ ♪ have a good time 'cause it's all right ♪ ♪ oh, it's all right ♪ ♪ ♪ this is what you've been training for.

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certainly we're seeing theid the delta variant impact the labor market. >> brennan: do you think you underestimated delta's impact? >> i always expected delta to take a toll, but just not put us into another recession. we're seeing that toll. we're seeing disrupted families and schooling and people's ability to get to work and feel safe about it. you see this in the monthly data, but you also see it in any community you walk around. delta has taken a toll, but it hasn't yet derailed us. i don't have a different view than i had on it when we first started. it is going to be hard. as goes covid, so goes the economy. >> brennan: women are driving this decline. if you look at the numbers last month, 26,000 jobs lost more than men. women are taking themselves out of the market. the participation rate is down. black women in particular are suffering. what is behind these losses, and when do we reach the point where the

damage is long-term? >> well, it's way too early to say the damage is long-term. but we have to recognize that women, in particular women with children or caring for elderly parents or caring for anyone, they're under siege. they've been at this since covid came to our shores. and now we're dealing with this. we thought school might save it, kids would go back to school and women could take a deep breath. but when a kid gets covid because they're not able to get vaccinated, the classroom is quarantined. 'fra friend of mine has a business, and her gets quarantined, and now she has to take care of her kids. i know they're all out there saying, let's get vaccinated and let's get this covid thing completely behind us. >> brennan: since the beginning of the pandemic,

u.s. taxpayers have pumped about $6 trillion isn't trying to stabilize the economy through some of these congressional packages. our cbs news poll, i want to show you two things here: 60% of those polled think the president is not doing enough to combat inflation, and 46% think his new social spending plan would hurt inflation, in other words it would push up the prices they pay. should americans be concerned? >> well, right now americans are feeling it in their pocketbooks. everyone is feeling the rising prices for energy, food, basic services. and that's painful because they -- we aren't used to seeing it. it is eye-popping in some categories, and of course that is challenging, especially for low and moderate income families, who spend most of their money on food and energy. so this is really hard. it is also really directly related to covid, to the

supply disruptions, we can't get people in the u.s. fully back to work. we have people really anxious to get out and spend consumers hitting the wall of comply constraints, and of course the prices are going to rise. but i don't see this as a long-term phenomena. and the issue, again, comes back to if we can get through covid, we'll get back to the normal conditions we're more used and the ones we all want. >> brennan: but you don't see the emergency spending as inflationary? >> any time you spend, it is going to add additional pressure to the demand that is going on in the economy. so the key is if the spending we do as consumers is coupled with the expansion of supply, then we're going to be fine. but if we continue to have supply bottlenecks and we keep spending, we're going to have more inflation. >> brennan: was appointpointingto the presidente flack he may take based on our poll. since you are out in california, we mentioned

all of the containerships off the coasts, unable to come to ports in los angeles, in long beach. how will these kind of delays impact holiday spending? >> well, right now we see consumers trying to get out early and spend their money to get their goods before they run out. what i really see happening is people will have longer wait times. if you're trying to buy something for the holidays, people are buying it now and they're being told oftentimes they can't get it until after the holiday is passed. there will be delays and continued bottlenecks, and there will probably be pressure on holiday item prices. the key again is just get more supply to the labor market, to the goods market, so that we can get through this. >> brennan: all right. mary daly, thank you for your analysis and for joining us today. we'll be right back.

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♪♪ >> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we go now to former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb, who also sits on the board of pfizer and is the author of "uncontrolled spread: why covid-19 crushed you and how we can defeat the next pandemic." doctor, pfizer applied for emergency approval for children ages five to 11, to be able to get a vaccine. is it reasonable to assume that by thanksgiving we could see children fully vaccinated? >> doctor: i think that is certainly reasonable in terms of when this would be available. the f.d.a. is meeting on october 26th to discuss this application. assuming they authorize the use of the vaccine,

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