>> brennan: welcome back to "face the nation." we now turn to the congressional committee investigating january 6. republican liz cheney of wyoming is the vice chair of the committee and she joins us now from capitol hill. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. thank you for having me. >> brennan: we know democrats are planning a vigil. we know the former president is planning a news conference. are you concerned about the country being at risk of political violence this week and in the years ahead? >> look, i think if what he has been saying since he left office is any indication, former president trump is likely, again

this week, to make the same false claims about the election that he knoe false, and the same false claims about the election that he knows caused violence on january 6. i think that it is, indeed, very concerning, given what we know happened in the lead up to the 6th, and what the committee is finding out about the events of that day. i think it is not surprising, but, again, he knows these claims caused violence. we've seen now people who were in the capitol, people who have been rrested because of their act activities on that day. they have told us in court filings, they've told us in social media, and we've seen it in vi videos, that they were here because donald trump told them to be here. he is doing a press conference on the 6th, and he is doing it with complete understanding and knowledge of what those claims have caused in the past. >> brennan: you raised in the

past the possibility of criminal culpability of the president. is that the consensus view of the committee? >> the committee is going to follow the facts wherever they lead. we have made tremendous progress. if you just think about what we know now about what the former president was doing on the 6th while the attack was under way. the committee has firsthand testimony that president trump was sitting in them to the oval office, watching on television, as the capitol was assaulted, as the violence occurred. we know that that is clearly a supreme dereliction of duty. one of the things we're looking at is whether we need enhanced penalties for the dereliction of duty. but we have certainly never seen anything like that as a nation before. >> brennan: one of the things we've seen in cbs news polling there is a hard percentage of the population that believes what the former president is

claiming. eight million people believe in violence to restore him to office. seven out of 10 republicans still believe president biden is illegitimate. so these numbers are pretty hard here. why hasn't this conviction abated within your party? >> look, i think that we're in a situation where people have got to understand the danger of president trump and the danger that he posed on that day. you know, if you think, margaret, he could have simply walked a few feet to the white house briefing room. he could have gone immediately on live television and asked his supporters to stop what was happening, asked them to go home. he failed to do that. he, instead, know he had the motivation at the same time the violent assault was happening, he is watching television, and he is also calling one senator urging delay of the electoral vote. he has demonstrated he is at war with the rule of law, and he is

ready to breakthrough any guardrail of democracy. he has demonstrated a complete lack of fitness for office. i think one of the really important things our committee has to do is lay these facts out for the american people so they have a sense of the truth of what happened that day, and so they inform us in terms of our legislative activity going forward. >> brennan: that assumes facts can actually persuade. what happens with this committee if republicans take the majority in 2022? have you asked kevin mccarthy to keep it? >> you know, leader mccarthy has said a variety of things. he has both acted to obstruct the actions of the committee, but he has also, on a number of occasions, said he is willing to come tack to the committee. i think the american people, and we as republicans, have a choice to make. i'm a conservative republican. i believe strongly in the policies of these low taxes and

limited government and a strong national defense. i think the country needs a strong republican party going forward. but our party has to choose. we can either be loyal to donald trump or we can be loyal to the constitution, but we cannot be both. and right now there are far too many republicans who are trying to enable the former president, embrace the former president, look the other way and hope that the former president goes away, trying to obstruct the activities of this committee. but we won't be deterred. >> brennan: in a number of state capitols around the country, in 19 different states election laws are being changed. in some, there is concern that republican-controlled legislatures could be able to change certification of an election if they don't like the outcome of it. this is undermining confidence among some in the public about the integrity about our elections. would you ask your fellow republicans in states around the country to stop trying to do that? >> absolutely. i think that, again, as a nation

we've got to be founded on the rule of law. we've got to be founded on the fidelity of the constitution. when you look at what former president trump continues to do to this day in terms of trying to undermine our belief in our democratic process, in terms of trying to undermine the rule of law, in terms of trying to find local officials who will help him do that, one of the really important lessons we learned on january 6 is how important it was we had a few individuals who stood up. we had individuals at the department of justice before january 6 who stood up to the president, who said absolutely not, we will not claim that this election was stolen. and we had local officials in the republican party who did the same. >> brennan: we have congressional races in 2022. you, yourself, are running out in wyoming. we know the former president endorsed your primary opponent. he promised to help campaign against you. you have one of his biggest

donors, peter till, throwing billions behind your opponent. given how red your state is, how do you expect to win that primary? >> look, i am absolutely honored and privileged to be able to represent the people of wyoming in congress. i absolutely anticipate we will have a very energetic and hard-fought campaign this year. but at the end of the day, i'm incredibly privileged to be able to stand up and defend the constitution of the united states. i'm confident that the people of wyoming will not choose loyalty to one man, one man as dangerous as donald trump is. while he was watching television, watching it unfold, not telling his supporters to stop and go home, instead was sending out a tweet saying that mike pence was a coward. this is a man who is too dangerous to ever to play a role in our democracy again.

i look forward to the opportunity to help the american people see the facts about what happened, and to continue to make the case at home about the kind of representation we need in washington for the people of wyoming. >> brennan: would you be willing to run against him in 2024? >> i'm very focused on my re-election and on the work of this select committee. i can tell you the single most important thing is to ensure that donald trump is not the republican nominee, and that he certainly is not anywhere close to the oval office again. we'll beig back wite the h iele committee. i wanted to do something to remember my mom. for some reason, i'm having anxiety. obviously it's normal

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in a matter of weeks, if not a couple of months from now. and what we expect to do is to lay out what we've been learning for the american people. there were several lines of effort to overturn the election. there was, of course, the lies being promulgated by the former president, but also efforts with local elections officials and state legislators, efforts at the justice department, and, of course, the violent attack on january 6. we hope to be able to tell the story to the country so that they understand it isn't just about that one day, january 6, but all that led up to it, what happened on that day, and the continuing danger going forward. >> brennan: so exactly what degree of coordination have you seen so far? particularly between those within the trump white house, political operatives, and the 725 people that have been charged by the justice department? >> well, this is really the

focal point of our investigation, and that is: what was the role of tge former president? what was the role of his aides and advisors? certainly they were indicately involved. in terms of the actual violent attack on the capitol, how much expectation of violence was there, and how much was spontaneously or in terms of any predis posposition of violence that day. we intend to get out of full facts and expose them to the american people. that issue, that is, what was the white house's role in what happened on january 6 that led to the first violent attack in a century and a half, if not longer, is at the core of our investigation. >> brennan: because you have oversight in your intelligence committee role, i want to know to what degree you think this was an intelligence failure?

was there just a failure of imagination in terms of too much focus on malitias? why was this missed? >> well, you know, i think that in part it is an intelligence failure. that is, the failure to see all of the evidence that was out there to be seen for the propensity of violence. a lot of it on social media. there are answers for why the f.b.i. and the department of homeland security failed to see it as cheerleader as they should clearly as they could, and we're looking into that. the primary lever or instrument for the cause of that violence was the promulgation of a big lie by the former president. as his supporters said, who came and attacked the capitol that day, they felt like they were

following the president's instructions. so it is important that we don't lose sight of the real motivating cause here and not just focus on the security of the building. it is also vital that we understand that this was an attack inspired by the commander-in-chief. >> brennan: this is going to go to there cn terms of detning wther sc from the trp administration will be released to your committee. if there is a lengthy delay, if the supreme court hears this out, how negatively will that impact your work? and how badly do you need those documents? >> well, we have gotten tens of thousands of documents and have hundreds of witnesses, so we're trying to get information in various means and forms so that we're not solely dependent on that litigation. but, of course, it is the hope of donald trump and his acolytes that they can delay until they can deny justice.

i don't think they'll be successful. i think the court understands, and the courts have been moving with great elacuity, it is depriving the american people they believe they assume would be incriminating to them. when it does go before the supreme court, well get a sense if that court is a conservative court or if it has become a bipartisan court. if it is a conservative court, it will not disturb the decisions below, which withheld that congress has a right to the information. it would be extraordinary for the judicial branch to differ with both of the branches of government. >> brennan: in your intel committee role, what would stop

vladimir putin from his aggression? who you need to cut that country off from the global financial system, to sanction him personally? >> i think it would involve ubs s substantial sanctions to prevent them. i also think that a powerful deterrent is the understanding that if they do invade, it is going to bring nato closer to russia, not push it farther away. we will move more nato assets closer to russia, which will have the opposite act of what putin is trying to achieve. i have no problem of going after putin personally, but i think more the sector-sized sanctions will be the most important, but beyond that, the knowledge that, in fact, we will move more nato

assets closer to russia, not further away, if they once again bring war to ukraine. >> brennan: very quickly, do you fear these diplomatic talks are just building a pre-text for russia to say they have no choice but to invade? >> i fear that putin is very likely to invade. i fill, frankly, don't understand the full motivation for why, why now he is doing this. but he certainly appears intent on it, unless we can persuade him otherwise. i think nothing other than a level of sanctions that russia has ever seen will deter him, and that's exactly what we need to do with our allies. >> brennan: all right. congressman schiff, thank you for your time. we'll be right back.

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insurgencies in war zones. can you're working with the pentagon and looking at what is happening in the united states. and one of the things that was chilling to me was that you found the majority of those who attacked were not affiliated with any organized malitia. they were everyday people? >> that's exactly right, margaret. what we're seeing is a movement that is a mainstream movement, not simply confined to fringe elements. and this is important because we're so used to thinking of ri right-wing extremism as part of the fringe. they're just a tiny fraction of america, less than 1%. and they come from people who are economically destitude, many often unemployed. that's not what our studies of the january 6 -- those who broke into the capitol on january 6 shows. or the sentiments n the

company. >> brennan: and what you found is that some of these people were business owners, they were employed. these were people who had something to lose. they were putting things at risk when they went to washington and carried out this violence? >> absolutely. very strikingly finding is their economic profile. over half of the 700 who broke into the capitol, who have been arrested so far for breaking into the capitol, are business owners, c.e.o.s, from white-collar occupations, doctors, lawyers, architects, and accountants. only 7% were unemployed at the time of their january 6 insurrection, nearly the national average. this is very different than we're used to seeing from right-wing extremists, where typically 25%, 30% of right-ring violent offenders are unemployed, and virtually none

of c.e.o.s are business owners. if we look at their relationship to the malitia groups, only 13% of those who broke into the capitol on january 6 were members of malitia groups, like the oath keepers, or extremist groups like the proud boys. that means nearly 90% were not. >> brennan: so if these people believed in what they were doing, who are they getting their information from? how could they truly put everything on the line and carry out this violence? who is telling them what to do? >> well, we can see their media consumption from surveys that we've done after our studieso%lf who broke into the capitol. we find that only 21 million people believe two radical beliefs in america. one, that joe biden is an inlegitimate president. and, two, that the use of force to restore donald trump to the

presidency is justified. and their media sources of those 21 million, they come from -- 42% of the 21 million, their main media source is fox news, newsmax, and one america. their second most prominent news source is actually liberal and centrist media. and you could say how could that be? it is because often when people watch ideas they disagree with, that makes them angry. only 10% of the 21 million are getting their news mainly from right-wing social media, like gab or telegraph. >> brennan: president biden has said he believes racism was a key part of the attack on the capitol on january 6. have you seen anything that bears that out to be true? >> race is an element, and race

is a driver. so when we look at the county that the 700 who broke into the capitol came from, where they live, what we see is over half live in counties that joe biden won. they don't mainly come from the reddist parts of los angeles. they're coming from new york city, philadelphia, houston and dallas. and when we look at the key characteristic of why some counties and not others, what we see are the counties that sent the insurrectionists are the counties losing the most white population. well, that dove-tails with this right-wing conspiracy therapy ttheory that used to be called the fringe. the idea that whites need to be replaced and that the democratic party is doing this

deliberately -- well, that idea is voiced by mainstream political leaders, by mainstream media figures, embraced full throttle. >> brennan: what are the triggers that you are watching? because i know you have said in the past, this isn't just about violence in washington. you could see sparks of violence in atlanta, georgia, and other major cities. what is the trigger? >> that's exactly right. what we're seeing are national surveys of the 21 million in the insurrectionist movement is a mass of combustible material. think of it as dry wood that could be set off from a lightening strike or a spark, as in wildfires. well, we're moving into a highly volatile 2022 election season, where there could be many sparks at the local le= say georgia or texas, the counting of the votes has been more politicized than ever

before. what that does is it creates a very dangerous season. which means as we go through the too elections season, it is crucial to have dialogue with our political leaders, our community leaders, especially the white house, over this new empirical reality. >> brennan: professor, important work. thank you for sharing it with us. >> thank you, margaret. >> brennan: we'll be back in a moment.

>> brennan: that's it for us today. thank you for watching. be sure to join us next sunday, when we talk exclusively to house speaker nancy pelosi. for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by

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