i'm jane pauly >> i'm margaret bn washington, and today on "face the nation," intelligence reports about russian plans for a large-scale invasion of ukraine. about and a stunning political split in the republican party as former vice president mike pence rebukes president trump, 13 months after the january 6 attack on the capitol. >> president trump said i had the right to overturn the election. president trump is wrong. >> brennan: then, the beijing winter olympics are officially under way, but behind their elaborate effort to display internal unity, china leaders are under attack for their human rights abuses and suspect

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>> brennan: good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." there is an overwhelming amount of news this morning, especially on the international front but we wanted to start with two extraordinary developments that threaten to further divide the republican party and impact our democracy. late friday, republican national committee members voted to censure representative liz cheney and adam kinzinger, saying the two were part of a "democrat-led persecution of ordinary citizens engaged in legitimate political discourse." the former vice president, mike pence, rebuked president trump's insistence that pence could have rejexed the electoral college results on january 6. >> i had no right to overturn the election. the presidency belongs tots american people, and the american people alone. and, frankly, there is no idea more un-american than the notion that any one person could choose the american president. under the constitution, i had no

right to change the outcome of our election. >> brennan: we begin with florida republican senator marco rubio. he is in miami. senator, we invited you to come on the show to talk about china. i want to get there, but i have to start here. do you agree with mike pence? >> well, if president trump runs for reelection, i believe he would defeat joe biden, and i don't want kamala harris to have the powers as vice president to overturn that election. and that's the same thing i concluded back in january of 2021. >> brennan: so donald trump was wrong? >> like i said, i just don't think the vice president has that power. if the vice president has that power, crump would defeat joe biden in four years, or two years, and kamala harris could decide to overturn the election and i don't want to wind up there. >> brennan: this appears a turning point for the party. does the rnc speak for you when it says this is a, was january 6

legitimate political discourse. >> anybody who committed crimes on january 6 should be prosecuted. if you entered the capitol and committed acts of violence and you you were there to hurt people they should be prosecuted,. the january 6 commission is not to do that. this is a scam. the purpose of that commission is to try to embarrass and smea? >> i know that's what the commission is doing. they're focused well beyond january 6, there are people, an older member of the rnc, whose husband just died, she wasn't even in washington on january 6. she can't afford to lawyer up and she's being harassed by this commission. this commission is nothing but a partisan tool to go out and smear and attack and get their hands on as many people as they

can, including people that weren't in washington on january 6. >> brennan: okay, sounds like you say they do speak for you. let's get to china. >> no, i told you where i stand on that commission. i think that commission is a scam. i think it's a complete partisan scam and i think anyone who committed a crime on january 6 should be prosecuted and if convicted put in jail. i don't think we need a congressional commission to harass people. they want to smear people anyway. i'm against that, yes. >> brennan: sources tell cbs news, that vladimir putin has assembled 70% of the forces he needses to invade ukraine. he could take the capitol in two days. he could do all this within 10 to 15 days of where we are righ wh having on the unat? >> well, the impact would begin by destabilizing europe. this is the single greatest threat europe has faced threfee

surge would be one. but i think it will have a global impact because we're now, all of a sudden, once again, living in a world in which countries and leaders can decide that something belongs to them and they go in and take it by force. there are multiple countries in europe that have complaints about treaties that were signed over 100 years ago, in some cases. we know how china-- its claims on taiwan. it has territorial disputes with india on its borders. if we now live in a world that you can go in and take a country because you believe it belongs to you and can do so militarily, we have entered a very dangerous period. >> brennan: president biden has made clear he won't use u.s. combat troops. he will use sanctions, financial warfare. given how xi jinping embraced russian president vladimir putin just in the past few days, do

you see this as a way that these two countries can just blunt the intacts of u.s. sanctions? >> i want to be clear-- there is no u.s. combat role in ukraine. there isn't going to be one. i don't know of anyone who supports it, not even the ukrainians. i think vladimir putin has to pay a high price if he does this, not just for him to pay the price but for other and thk at pric syhat price and. and hurt badly. countries around the wld, but beginning with the europeans. if they're not going to impose those sanctions and stick with them, over time he will be able to blunt it. the other thing that is going to happen, the easiest part will be the invasion. the hardest part will be occupation. the ukrainians are not going to welcome them with roses. hoccupation of any country on earth knows how painful and

difficult it is. >> brennan: as i mentioned, this alliance between russia and china seems to be building on china itself. more than one million mostly muslim minorities are in detention camps in china. according to the state department, they're subject to forced sterilization, abortions, rape, torture, forced labor, restrictions on prayer, restrictions on movement. i know you have been working to try to restrict imports made by forced labor inside these camps. but is it really possible to clean up the supply chain because china is such an economic behemoth here? >> a couple of things that we need to do. the first is we need to do this no matter what because this country has to be a country that makes things again. if we learned anything over the last couple of years, you have to have a manufacturing exablth and can't be dependent on foreign supply chains, especially those located in a place like china.

because of a pandemic or war or leverageicancy you you could create an epidemic crisis. we have passed a bill, that made in china, is made by slave labor. >> brennan: which countries are the worst abusers? >> i think there are many countries, like nike, that have benefitted from companies located in that part of the world. want list could be more extensive than than that. there are people buying from subcontractors. many know they are sourcing material from that area but have continued to allow it to happen. we saw the lobbying efforts of apple and nike and others arguing that this would raise the cost for consumers. but ultimately, it's slave labor. and it's a horrific genocide. >> brennan: tesla just opened a showroom in the province where these camps are located. american businesses seem to be more than willing to try to tap the chinese market.

>> it's one of the largest markets, the second largest market in the world and some industries the largest. i understand the profit motive behind it and that's fine. their view of it, that's their agenda. but our agenda has to be the national interest of the united states other not to mention what's right or wrong in the world s.>> o'donnell: >> the f.b.i. director chris wray gave a speech last week saying china and its threat here in the united states is greater than it's ever been before. he said china targeting people inside the u.s. listen to this. >> we're seeing the chinese government resort to blackmail, threats of violence, stalking, and kidnappings. they've actually engaged criminal organizations in the u.s., offering them bounties, in hopes of successfully taking targets back to china. >> brennan: how do you combat that kind of espionage on u.s. soil without the united states itself bomg lance state? >> well, it's difficult. it's not easy.

and it's a new threat that we face. what he's pointed to there is the example of a uyghur. let's say there's a uyghur in the united states speaking out against abuses in china, they are trying to lure the people back to china. they threaten their family over there. they might align themselves with a triad group or street gang of that nature in order to go and personally try to intimidate these people. they have sent people to this country to do that sort of thing as well, to harass and intimidate. whether it's the uyghur issuer general political topics. if you're speak out against china and you are a chinese national or former chinese national, have families back over there, they try to harass you through your families over there and here. i think the first step is reveal it and call it out and do what the director did. i think the second step is expel these people. once we identify an agent from china is on u.s. soil going after people in this country and trying to intimidate them, those people should be immediately

expelled from the country, even if if they're here under diplomatic cover. in many cases they're here under business cover. >> brennan: is enough both done on this front? >>'sgrowing awareness on this.thin, merged the last few yeat they'beore ree local level. if you go to a local police department and tell them there's a chinese agent operating in your community, that's something they've never dealt with before. i don't think there's a lack of willingness to address it. i think there's something we don't have a lot of experience addressing but we have to. it's happening and it's real and every year it gets worse. >> brennan: can you do it without impacting the rights of chinese americans or chinese nationals living here. >> it's chinese nationals living here being threatened and intimidated. one of the great threats that exist there, many are hesitant to come forward and report what'shappening to them to the authorities because they're specifically told not to do so or their family are going to be harmed. i think we have to develop

greater trust. >> brennan: all right, senator rrubio, thank you for yr time. >> brennan: now to the cries in ukraine and the increasing signs that vladimir putin plans a full-scale invasion. sources tell cbs news civilian casualties could go as high as 100,000. our imtiaz tyab reports from kyiv. >> reporter: these are the colors will of a country preparing for war. the residents of karkeve, ukraine's second largest city, filled the streets with patriotic pride. most are russian speaking and close to the border with russia but fear of a vladimir putin invasion has unleashed a sense of national unity. in cher negotiable, the ukrainian military ran drills to protect critical infrastructure. while in the capitol kyiv, civilians are being taught how

to fight. the kremlin continues to insist it has no plans to attack, despite amassing roughly 1 10,000 battle-ready troops along ukraine's borders. while at the same time accusing the u.s. of trying to goad it into war. now, there's no shortage of support for ukraine, from military hardware frhi e.u., and others. what happens next all depends on vladimir putin. margaret. >> brennan: imtiaz tyab, thank you. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. and stopped the growth of tumor cells. there's a place that's making one advanced cancer discovery after another for 75 years. i am here.... because of dana-farber. what we do here changes lives everywhere.

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invasion, what would the impact to the global economy be. >> margaret, of course i'm not going to talk about the intelligence, but i will talk about what we will do if russia invades. the secretary asked us to have conversations with our allies and europe to be sure we would be in a place to launch economic sanctions against russia if they were to invade. we have designed a set of economic sanctions that would take on the russian financial system, limit president putin's ability of power in the future by cutting off key technology and, let's from the russian economy pop what would be the impact on the global economy, we're starting to see it. the russian economy is suffering from the moment that president putin started to take these reactions. the ruble is having the worst performance among emerging economies thus far this year.

you're looking at their borrowing costs increase. >> brennan: what would the spillover be if you have a refugee crisis in the middle of europe, if you have this kind of disruption? does it spike energy prices? what does it do? >> one of the thing we have done is we're working very closely with our allies in europe to make sure we're in a position to meet their needs of energy. we're also taking steps to prepare for a potential refugee crisis. but the key is the choice belongs to president putin. he can make the choice of going the route of diplomacy and dialogue with the united states and nato or attack the consequences of invasion, which will include severe economicquences for his economy. >> brennan: how effective can u.s. sanctioning be if russia is moving closer to china? >> i was in the obama administration in 2014 when we took actions against russia in response to their invasion of ukraine. we've learned a great deal of

lessons. actions we would take if russia were to invade ukraine this time would be far more significant. it's up to president putin. if he wants to become dependent on china going forward. hina c'tiv the are critical technologies that russia is dependent on our of the united states and our allies that china does not have access to. russian elites are not putting their money in china. they're putting their money in europe and the united states. and those elites, those who are helping president putin make these decisions, we would cut them and their families off from the global financial systems in ways that will limit their ability to do business in the way they have done in the past. >> brennan: and that's by putting pressure on oligarchs, you think that would put more pressure on vladimir putin than sanctioning him directly? >> we think the range of actions we are prepared to take with regard to the united states and europe wfor a significant impact on president putin, on those close to him as well.

when you think about it, the reason we're taking action with europe is because while on a daily base russian financial institutions do about $46 billion worth of financial transactions around the world. 80% of those transactions are in dollars. so they're connected to the u.s. financial system. but their biggest trading partners are in europe. more than $200 billion each year. 40% of russia's trade is with europe on a regular basis. by the united states and europe acting together we put ourselvet >> brennan: german is very tied to the german economy. are they the weakest link in this united front you're trying to forge? and nord stream two and sanctions, those seem inevitable at this point. >> as you know the new chancellor in germany, used to

be the finance minister, and i spent a great deal of time talking with his colleagues and the germans have worked with us closely building the sanctions package we would implement if russia takes these actions. what i could say about nord stream 2 is if russia would invade ukraine, nord stream 2 would never go on line. we work closely with the e.u., and designed a range of sanctions that would have significant impact on the russian economy. it's important while we oppose nord stream 2, the key for us is making sure thaty woo take far more significant actions in addition to nord stream 2 in order to make sure the russian economy suffers the consequences if russia decides to indvade. but as i said, the choice belongs to president putin. he can choose the path to diplomacy and dialogue or awe pag that leads to the russian economy suffering not only for tomorrow but over the long-term and limiting his ability to inject power into the future.

>> brennan: china is an why t we hbinst-growing economyy ina's ecomy isrowi very fast butna challenging lastthe to f ergy in u.s. gnificantly faster over the last year than any economy in the world. >> brennan: and so has inflation. do you need to reconsider the tariffs on china in order to alleviate some of that inflation. >> as you know, margaret, inflation is a global challenge. it's not only something we face in the united states, the u.k. faces it and in talking to my allies and partners, they tell me they are envious of the fact they womb can from challenge from a position of strength than weakness. last year the u.s. economy created 6.6 million jobs and the economy grew faster than at any

point in years. but we do need to address high prices. the primary responsibility for doing that belongs to the fed. we believe in the fed's independence, and chairman powell has laid out a path for addressing this. but the emotion is committed to doing what we need to do to helg inveories becaussupplyreldin ains havten beer.e jobs num th came out this month imporhi me ou sumr ofcans w came back intobo, beusi country, the c.e.o.se of the biheneloyees >> brennan: it's a huge issue we've been following on the program. thank you very much. mr. deputy secretary for your time today.

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