>> brennan: congressman clyburn joins you now. good morning, congressman. >> thank you. good morning. >> brennan: how important is it for president biden to have this vote for this choice to be bipartisan. >> this is beyond politics. this is about the country's pursuit of a more perfect union, and

this is demmontrative. let's have a debate. let's talk to her about her rulings and her philosophy. but in the final analysis, let's have a strong bipartisan support to demonstrate that both parties are still in pursuit of perfection. >> brennan: congressman, you spoke very passionately the last time you were on this program, about your first choice, a south carolina native michelle childs, and you said it was important because she went to state schools. judge jackson went to harvard, an elite institution. does that affect how you see this? is it less powerful because of that? >> it is mor traditiona more tr. there is no question about

that. it means we'll continue that tradition. i am one, as you can see, that is not so much for tradition. i want us to break new ground as much as possible. but having said that, we all have our personal preferences. we all have our reasonable biases. but in the final analysis, i think this is a good choice. tothe court somehat brings background and experiences that nobody else on the court will have. and i think when you look at not just her background and her family and the like, but also her professionalism. she was a public defender. that adds a new perspective to the court. >> brennan: congressman, the president will deliver his state of the union address this coming week. we know his approval ratings have fallen among virtually every group over the past year, but according to our cbs

polling, the drop has been especially among black americans, down from 87% to 67% approval. it is inflation time and again that shows up over every group as one of the biggest things weighing on the president. >> well, inflation is a problem for everybody. but the fact of the matter is it is more of a problem for those people who have very little or nothing to inflate. and so the president has a job here of trying to do what is necessary to get people back to work, to get incomes in people's homes, to get people in homes, all of this. all of this adds to his problem. and so when you have a have little in the first place, inflation comes and it depresses their family incomes even more. so that is a concern. it is also a concern, as i

said earlier, when you have an opportunity to make an appointment like you just had, and he made an african-american appointment, i guarantee you see some of that move up. it may not move up with the people having income problems, but it will move up to those who have other reservations about the president. >> brennan: congressman, two prominent democrats came out this week with some words of advice to the democratic party, michael bloomberg and former secretary of state hillary clinton, and both said democrats need a course correction. bloomberg said up and down the ballot because it is distracted and they see the party -- and clinton said we can't get distracted, whether it is a culture war or some right wing lie on fox or facebook. do you agree these are problems? >> culture wars are a

problem, but it is not coming from democrats. >> brennan: but the focus by the democrats? >> i don't think any of us are focused on that. but we cannot allow these things to float around there. when you talk about critical race theory, we're not putting that out there, but you can't stand can'd iidolly by. you can't take black rules out of the schools and call it a theory. these are racial signs. it is just as important for me, for my grandchildren, to learn about lewis vadamir, at it is about thomas edison. but for lewis, thomas edison's light never would have worked. and when people are taking

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>> brennan: we now return to the war raging in ukraine, with former national security advisor h.r. mcmaster, he is now at the hoover institute at stanford. he is now with us this morning. >> good to see you, margaret. >> brennan: the president has made it clear he does not want to put the united states in the position of going head to head with russia. you have the ukrainian president begging for some kind of no-fly zone. is there any military option shortly going to world war iii. >> there is. and that is to support the ukrainians, and they're doing a tremendous job. the problem is russia's control of the air. it is difficult to meet

this multi-pronged defense with the ability to move across one and defeat them in detail, when russians control the air. and also the sea as well. there is probably a military option there, to tell the russians, hey, you don't own the black sea. and to open up commercial traffic, to alleviate humanitarian suffering in ukraine, and to keep open the land routes coming out of poland and moldova and romania. and to resupply the ukrainians with weapons. that is very important. i think putin got a lot more than he bargained for. he is in a very difficult position. and going after his enterprise with sanctions is important, but the support for ukraine's ability to defend themselves is also important. >> brennan: does that mean when ukraine falls the united states should have a sort of proxy battle? >> i think the ukrainians are going to fight.

what putin doesn't understand, it isn't an autocratic government. the ukrainian people are fighting for their freedom and democracy and their sovereignty. that just doesn't go away if they seize kyiv. the next 72 hours i think will be really critical. when you look at the map, it is important to look at the scale, margaret. it is really easy to look good crossing the border at the beginning of an offensive, but you begin to reach the culminating point, where you run out of logistic supplies, and your supply lines are open to interdiction. this multi-pronged approach looks good on a map or chart, but it is actual quite difficult to execute. >> brennan: we heard david martin lay out why that may be good for

euukraine, but not for the ukrainians. he is threatening to potentially lean into nuclear by saying he is raising his threat level. is vladimir putin a rational actor at this point? >> i don't think so because he is fearful. what he wants to do more than anything is restore russia to national greatness. he is driven by that. and he is driven by a desire to remain in power until at least 2036. now he knows all of that is at risk. the russian military doesn't look very good. he doesn't look very powerful. this will jeopardize his ability to stay in power. >> brennan: you really think that? >> i really think that, margaret. >> brennan: why do you think there is actually a real threat to him staying in power. he humiliated his intelligence director on television. >> that's a sign, isn't it? i think that's a sign. when he had to humiliate his intelligence director on television, what does that mean?

it means everybody around him is telling him what he wants to hear. hear. >> brennan: but who could tand stand up to him? >> the russian people. there are more people in the internal security service than there are in the russian military? what does that tell you about how secure he is. there are more political prisoner in russia than during the height of the colder war? so i think these totalitarians leaders can look strong, but they're actually very brittle. and democracy -- as ugly as democracy is, democracies are pretty darn resilient. and you see that with ukrainians. i hope ukrainians inspire confidence in all of us across the free world. >> brennan: i think a lot of people like to hear the optimism, and it is refreshing to hear, but you served in the trump administration, and parts of it, while it may be

revitalized, it is a little creepy. russia is baked into the security council charter. they are vetoing moral outrage. they have a vote in this. they can use the international system to their advantage. so doesn't that fundamentally cause a problem? >> freedom is not easy, right? we have to work hard, i think, to maintain the international order that has benefited people across the world. it is at risk now because obviously what russia is doing, but how about the relationship with russia and china, how they're aiding and abetting one another. i think it is really important to look at the joint statement that was made just before the olympics, and the call for a new type of international relations. you kow what that means, margaret? that means rewriting the rules in a way that cutsou authoritarian regimes that are trying to dominate. >> brennan: how do you interpret president xi's call to vladimir putin to

urge him for a settlement? does that mean he thinks he is going too far? is he the only person who can rein in putin? >> he is not going to rein in putin. >> brennan: the white house would say, china is afraid of secondary challenges. even now china is afraid -- >> they might be afraid of the secondary challenges, and they might get them. what russian -- david malpas can talk more about this, but they've been trying to insulate themselves from economic sanctions, and they're doing it in cooperation with one another. he is trying to limit his restrictions on the dollar -- cs pledged to buy more oil and gas from putin. i think what we have to do next, we have to figure this out, and we have to sanction the hydrocarbon sector. i think europe and germany

in particularly has to realize they made a big, big mistake when they gave russia coercive power over their economy. so we have to make major adjustments to the energy globally. >> brennan: i spoke to the former envoy to ukraine, and he said when you have a balance in forces and strength, both sides have a reason to settle. when there is only one side enforcing by force, it is vulnerable to cap cap capitulation. >> the military problem gets harder and harder for them as they extend their supply lines. when you look at the forces, it looks like a lot, 160,000. one-third of that is bat troops. now you divide it across four different axis, it is easy for that force to

become absorbed in the vast area of ukraine. i think this is an impossible military problem for him if his aim is to not only remove zelensky from power but then to control ukraine. he won't be able to control ukraine. >> brennan: thank you very much, h.r. mcmaster. we'll be back in a moment. >> thanks. when you humble yourself under the mighty hand of god, in due time he will exalt you. hi, i'm joel osteen. i'm excited about being with you every week. i hope you'll tune in. you'll be inspired, you'll be encouraged. i'm looking forward to seeing you right here. you are fully loaded and completely equipped for the race that's been designed for you.

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there's money in puns. do business like a gigillionaire at&t business fiber, now with speeds up to 5-gigs. limited availability >> brennan: for more on the potential global impact on the war in ukraine, we turn to the president of the world bank, david malpas. so much has happened with even bigger sanctions on russia. tomorrow morning when they wake up in moscow, do you expect to see a run on banks? >> hi, margaret. we haven't seen the details of the sanctions, but they also yesterday talked about it and announced they would be hitting he central bank of russia. so one thing to watch is the ruble. that really affects the russian people. they've been having a hard time. this is a tragedy right now for ukrainians, for the neighbors of ukraine, but also for russians. their per capita income has fallen below china's.

so as you think about the sanctions, it hits the banks in russia, but apparently not the oil and gas industry. but if they go -- if they're able to stop the central bank of russia from operating, that would really have an affect on russia and the people will see what happens tomorrow. >> brennan: there was a sensitivity to disrupting the oil markets and also exposure to some of the european countries, which is why they're weaving those sanctions sort of carefully there. what do you think the impact will be if you hear of sanctions on petroleum products? iran's oil industry has been sanctioned. >> the liquified oil and gas that the u.s. ships to europe -- europe will need a lot more, but it is available. they can look at the

five-year time horizon and realize there is a lot of energy if it is mobilized. there are alternatives to the russian dominants of the gas market, for example. whether those changes are made will be important. i believe also important is iran. how quickly is it going for nuclear weapons? because it is a source of oil in the world as well. >> brennan: because those negotiations, diplomatically, are at a key decision point -- >> and russia isa full player of that. so how are you going to negotiate within that? we don't know. >> brennan: that is a good thing to have on the horizon, another reason for concern. one of the other things you have been working on, is you met personally with the ukrainian president just about a week ago, i believe, in munich. >> that's right. >> brennan: what are you doing to help the ukrainian government? >> we're doing everything we can. we're in a good position to do that right now. we have an instrument that is able to move quickly in

the next few days, if it is needed, and the circumstances go that way. i briefed our board on thursday. and it can be added to by other countries that want to support ukraine. and we also have instruments moving that can help the refugee blow. you know, as you heard earlier, the big flow going right now to poland, but there is also the possibilities -- ukraine has a lot of borders with romania and moldova, and we have programs in those countries that can be added to support the refugee flow. so this can be work. ing fi mcan be -- the g-7 is on tuesday morning, and i'll meet with them and the central banks of the g-7, and they can decide a lot of how much aid goes into ukraine. the i.m.f. also has --

we're working with them closely to assess the needs and to think about instruments. >> brennan: is one of the decisions to be made what to do after the government falls? what will happen if this is a government in exile or this is an insurgency? does the help to the ukrainian people continue? >> i'm not at all at that point. we're not trying to look at lookat hypotheticals. we're looking to support the people of ukraine, for the people of the region. and also for the people of russia. you know, they didn't choose war. the phrase in russia is no to war. so it is not clear how this is all going to play out. one thing is, you know, the ark of history is for russia to be closer to europe. there is all of this talk about china, but that is not a natural alliance.

it is more -- ser and ru and people were wondering, are they going to get together and work together? no sign of that for the long run. russia wants to use china with the swift -- they have a mire system that can connect payments with china. i'm not sure this will go very far. >> brennan: big picture: what is the impact for the global economy? do we see a spike in food prices and oil prices? >> yes. and it was already at a point of fragility. because inflation really hits the poor. this is going to drive up energy and food. right now china is buying more from russia and allowing the sanctions to be eroded or circumvented a bit. we'll have to see where that goes as well. >> brennan: okay. >> the big thing is the u.s. can supply a lot more

if it puts its mind to it. >> brennan: we'll watch for that. david malpas, thank you for your time today. >> okay. thank you. >> brennan: we'll be right back.

>> brennan: the war in ukraine is being fought 5,000 miles away, but its impact is being felt here in the united states. here is mark strassmann. >> reporter: unease now invades america, from a thuggish land grab a half world away. >> you can't look away. >> reporter: especially for one million ukrainian americans. >> how is it possible in the 21st century that you have an invasion of 200,000 men on an innocent country? >> reporter: thousands of innocents can become war refugees, a ukrainian diaspera that could reach america, joining ukrainian communities in new york and california. >> this region is really open for the refugees. >> reporter: but all americans feel something

vaguely unsettling: within this russian blitz, potentpotential ominously the rise of a second cold war. in the u.s., the assault on the front line, with consumers already squeezed by rates at a 40 year high. our global economy faces a double whammy, the ripples from new sanctions on russia and worsening supply disruptions. russia is a leading producer of oil and gas and rare earth minerals. titanium used in airplanes, and palladium for se semiconductors. the ukraine grows wheat and other food crops. europe's impact will be more direct, but we'll feel it. >> the sanctions will

weigh on economic growth and the sanctions could make countries feel very vulnerable at a time when everybody's nerves are frayed after the last two years. >> reporter: and there is a critical decision coming up by the feds, whether to blunt inflation by raising interest rates. get it wrong and there is the spector of a new threat: a recession. margaret? >> brennan: our mark strassmann reporting in atlanta. that's it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. >> brennan: that's it for us captioning sponsored by cbs captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

this is the cbs "overnight news." >> good evening. thanks for joining us. tonight, the pentagon is criticizing vladamir putin's decision to put his nuclear forces on high alert as "unnecessary and escalatory" this as u.s. and european allies seek to further punish russia for its invasion of ukraine. still, russian forces are pushing deeper into ukraine, resistance has reportedly been fierce, and in some places, the fighting street to street. but russia's forces are

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