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nds again next sunday morning. >> brennan: i'm margaret brennan in washington. today on "face the nation," the war in ukraine takes a turn for the worst. and leaders around the world desperately search for a way to end the death and devastation. on day 18,the crisis in ukraine is intensified. overnight russian forces fired missiles for the first time into lviv, a city in western ukraine dangerously close to the polish border. shelling, missile attacks and atrocities in other key regions of ukraine have increased, and there are serious concerns in
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the intelligence community about vladimir putin introducing chemical weapons into russia's blitz on the devastated country of 44 million citizens. >> biden: i'm not going to speak about the intelligence, but russia would pay a severe price. >> brennan: what would that severe price be? president biden maintains that the u.s. will not send troops, but will continue to defend nato's interest in the region. >> biden: the direct confrontation between nato and russia is world war iii, something we must strive to prevent. >> brennan: we'll have the latest reporting from ukraine and hear from its foreign minister, and we'll ask jake sullivan wa our options are at this critical time. and we'll look at the worldwide economic impact of the war in ukraine. inflation in the united states already high leaps yet again as russia's invasion sends the global oil market into turmoil. is the president correct when s he says it is due to
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the putin price hike. >> biden: make no mistake, inflation is mostly the fault of putin. >> brennan: we'll talk with kristalina georgieva, and mohamed el-erian. all of that is just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." there is no end in sight to russia's rampage on ukraine. the ukrainian government says its civilian death toll alone is in the thousands. ukraine's president said today that 13,000 russians are dead in the conflict. the u.s. cannot confirm that death toll. today news about the death of an american journalist, brent renau, killed in a
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russian attack on the capitol city of kyiv. charlie d'agata has been reporting since the invasion nearly three we weeks ago. >> reporter: good morning, marrying. goodmorning margaret. it is a military base uist by u.s. and nato partners for training exercises, drawing the u.s. and allies closer to the fight. the overnight area attack in lviv has intensified by the hour. russian tanks rumbled down the streets of mariupol. there has been no let-up in russia's relentless bombardment. to the west in russian-occupied areas, thousands of residents protested in the streets after video emerged appearing to show russian troops kidnapping its mayor. and a ukrainian government says a second mayor has
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been abducted. there is growing evidence of the airstrike that destroyed the maternity hospital may be part of a systemic campaign. they have verified 24 attacks on medical facilities since the invasion began. after taking fire at this hospital in kyiv, they covered the windows and worked with the lights out at night. >> this building, look. >> reporter: yes. >> a sniper. >> reporter: a sniper? >> a sniper. >> reporter: while we were there, the doctors were saving the price of a first responder torn apart by shrapnel. volodymyr zelenskyy rallied residents to defend the capitol in an overnight address. >> if they kill all of us, then they will enter kyiv, he says. if this is the goal, let them enter. but they will not find friends among us. it is already a reality in the suburb of buka, where they're burying the dead
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in mass graves. the outskirts are really getting hit hard now, and as russian forces move into more densely populated areas, the civilian death toll is rising dramatically, and residents are now risking their lives just to get away. margaret? >> brennan: charlie d'agata, thank you. we turn to odesa for a look at how the ukrainians are coping. >> reporter: it is is pendulum of war, first deathly loud. then at once, a deafening silence. in the black seaport city, the morgues are full, mostly with civilians. ththese victims laid out in the freezing cold. among shows spared, a woman at an abandoned supermarket. they are people putin says
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he wants to protect, says the mayor. >> i think the main idea is to kill ukrainians as much as they can. it is a complete lie when they say they want to protect us. they want to kill as many as they can. >> reporter: human obstacles on the road to odesa, the former crown jewel of the russian empire, and today ukraine's biggest port. it is a city half deserted. but there is optimism, like this soldier who calls himself snake. 15 days we've stood up to the second biggest army in the world, he says. it is weaker than us. others fill sandbags where russia fleets will come ashore any day. sergei, a plastic surgeon, is ready to stitch up soldiers. even take up arms. >> we are a peaceful nation, but we have a brave heart. >> reporter: today british military says russian forces are
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advancing from crimea to come straight here to odesa. margaret? >> brennan: chris livesay in odesa, thank you. ad with us now is national security correspondent david martin. great to have you here. this attack overnight in the west, this is the farthest russia has gone towards nato territory. why are they doing that? >> thiss air base out there. they hit hangars on the air base. it is the base where american troops used to train ukrainian forces, but all of the americans were pulled out before the invasion. but it is still where mamuchof the ukrainian air force is based, particularly those mig-29s we've been hearing so much about. so now the russians have struck three air fields in the west, which is where the predominance of the ukrainian air force is. so clearly they are trying
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to destroy the ukrainian air force on the ground. >> brennan: for about more than two weeks now, the ukrainians have kept russia at bay from the capitol. are they close to encircling it? >> they get a little closer every day. you still have to call it a creep or a crawl. actually, the latest today is they got reversed a little bit. the russians got reversed a little bit in one of the towns northeast of kyiv, which had been isolated. and the ukrainians were able to reopen the resupply route into that city. so it is grind them out, but you heard what charlie d'agata said, you can hear the shelling getting closer and closer. >> brennan: russia, though, is willing to use munitions that have been banned under international law. we know that. we heard president biden warn about chemical weapons use. are we seeing movement of those kinds of weapons
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into ukraine? >> the pentagon official i talked to this morning said there is no movement of chemical weapons into ukraine, at least they're not seeihe of it. the concern is that the russians will siege one of these biomedical research facilities that ukraine has, where they do research on deadly pathogens, like botulism and anthrax, seize one of those facilities, weapon nice the pathogen, and then blame it on ukraine and the u.s. because the u.s. has been providing support for some of the research being done in those facilities. but it appears the ukrainians have gotten most of those pathogens destroyed. >> brennan: and the world health organization reportedly had been warning about some of that. what you're describing sounds like increased acts of desperation. but then russia still has considerable combat power
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here. they have lost three generals, reportedly. how do we judge what they have left? >> well, they still have something like 90% of their zat combat power they started in the war still available. but they're starting to run out of things, particularly of precision-guided weapons. and some time in the near future, maybe this week, putin is going to have to make a decision about starting to bring reenforcements in from the interior of russia, certainly more munitions, maybe more troops, and that will obviously be a sign that he continues to go ahead and double down on this grind them out type of warfare that he has adopted. >> brennan: david martin, thank you for your reporting. we go now to white house national security advisor jake sullivan. good morning to you, jake.
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>> good morning. >> brennan: there are a lot of developments to get through with you. i do want to ask you about these reports that a u.s. journalist has been killed in ukraine by russian forces. do we know what the consequence would be for russia killing an american? >> well, this is, obviously, shocking and horrifying. i've just learned about it as i came on to air here, so i will be consulting with my colleagues, we'll be consulting with the ukrainians, to determine how this happened and then to measure and execute appropriate consequences as a result of it. >> brennan: jake, there are reports of white phosphorus being used in ukraine, reports of chlorine gas. how imminent is a chemical weapons attack in ukraine? >> we can't predict a time or place. all we say is there an escalating level of
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rhetoric on the russian side, trying to accuse ukrainians in the united states of using chemical weapons. that's an indicator that the russians are getting ready to do it and try to pin the blame elsewhere. and nobody should fall for that. that's why we have gone to the united nations security council and elsewhere, to rob the russians of capacity to pin this on anybody other than themselves. as the president said if in fact the russians use chemical weapons in ukraine, they will pay a severe price. >> brennan: overnight, poland's president has said the use of weapons of mas destruction will be a game-changer. president biden says forces on the ground is completely off the table, even if that is the case. is that the case? >> sitting before you today, i'm not going to go further than what president biden said on friday, which is that the
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russians would pay a severe price if they were to move forward with chemical weapons. >> brennan: is there any redline for the administration in terms of humanitarian catastrophe that would change the president's calculus? is this a game-changer? >> the use of weapons of mass destruction would beshoadoi s ault international law anrnatnoshis assault on the human rights and human dignity of the people of ukraine. but the bottom line, margaret, the premise of your questions, have sanctions stopped putin -- why aren't they not working -- i think we have to look at this in two respects: one, have we imposed severe sanctions on russia, and the answer is yes. and have we been able to help ukrainians defend themselves against these
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attacks, to push back russian forces from being able to take major cities, and the answer to that is yes as well. and part of the reason why putin is resorting to extreme tactics, like the use of chemical weapons, is because he is frustrated that his troops haven't advanced. >> brennan: i've heard there is no prejudicial presidel contact, the military leaders in russia aren't picking up the phone. you personally have communicated this to someone in the russian government? >> i will not get into specifics about our communications with the russians. it is not just the united states that have channels with the russians, but many of our allies and partners. we coordinate closely in terms of what we communicate to them and ho and on what topics. >> brennan: the u.s. policies to help ukrainians defend themselves, how confident are you that you can keep
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those supply lines open? >> we believe in our capacity to continue to flow substantial amounts of military assistance, weapons, and supplies to the front in ukraine. we have been successful in doing so thus far, and we believe that we have a system in place that will allow us to continue to do so, notwithstanding the russian threats. we believe these weapons are making a significant difference in helping the ukrainians defend themselves. we are merely helping them provide the tools. >> brennan: this is getting really close to nato territory. is the u.s. policy that any strike into polish territory, intentional or unintentional, is an attack on nato? >> the president has been clear repeatedly that the united states will work with our allies to defend every inch of nato territory, and that means every inch. and if there is a military attack on nato territory, it would cause the
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publication of article 5. >> brennan: if it is an accidental, errant shot? >> if russia attacks, fires upon, takes a shot at nato territory, the nato alliance would respond to that. >> brennan: it has been a very busy few hours for you. i'm tracking what is happening overnight as well in iraq. iran's revolutionary guard has claimed responsibilty for firing ballistic missiles into northernardshe lon where the u.s. consulate is located. are you condemning iran for carrying out this attack? >> of course, we condemn iran for carrying out this attack. what we know at this hour, margaret, is that no u.s. facilities were hit and no u.s. persons were harmed. but the united states is absolutely clear: we will do whatever it takes to
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defend our people, our interests, and our allies. and we are in consultation with the iraqi government and the government in iraqi kurdistan, in part to help them get the capabilities to be able to defend themselves -- >> brennan: so the nuclear deal is not dead? >> as things stand right now, the various negotiators are back home in their capitals, and we'll have to see what happens in the days ahead wreaptd to diplomacy around the nuclear deal. >> brennan: jake, i have to let you go. thank you for your time today. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us.
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details, but we do not exclude that option because we see that russia is using one prohibited weapon after another to break us down, and the united nations has already confirmed that some of the internationally-prohibited weapons have been used against ukrainian civilians, against our cities. and when you're asking me whether nato will defend us, well, we do not expect that. what we are asking is a very simple thing: we say, arm ukraine and we will do the rest. u.s. has all of the weapons necessary, and we will fight for our own land. >> brennan: president biden approved another $200 million in weapons, but those are small arms, and anti-aircraft as well. there is the promise that congress will be sending more money your way. what specific types of weapons do you need? what kind of sophisticated systems? >> well, the highest
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demand is in fighting -- fighting jets and aircraft. because, unfortunately, the air force power of russia and ukraine are uncomparable. and, yes, it is true that we shoot them down, but they also shoot us down. and if we lose control over the sky, we cannot things from happening. we cannot stop russian bombers from destroying our cities and killing civilians. and we cannot destroy russian bombs heading towards our big cities on the roads. we need small planes. this is the most stressing issue. we don't understand all of the explanations that we are given why we should not be given those planes. and we'll continue putting
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pressure from all corners and requesting this assistance from the united states and other partners. >> brennan: it was on this program last sunday that the secretary of state, antony blinken, said the decision by panpoland to provider fighter jets gets a green light from the united states. and then days later president biden spiked that. do you have the sense that any country will give you fighter jets? >> frankly, everything that happened over the fighting jets in the last week is kind of a diplomatic mystery. on the one hand, everyone is ready to do it but nothing is happening and we're not getting the planes. it reminds me of where every side throws the bull ballto the other side and gets it back. we have no time for this
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kind of diplomacy. we need planes to save the lives of our people, and to put an end to russian domination in the sky. >> brennan: the united states argues that giving these jets would be escalating risks to the united states and you have things like drones that work just fine. >> to my view, this logic is wrong. what is the logic behind it? [inaudible] planes are escalatory. what else does russia have to do for everyone to understand they have already reached the peak of escalation. they used, as i mentioned in the beginning, weapons that are prohibited by the international convention. why are we so afraid of another escalation? we need to defend ourselves. >> brennan: the president of poland said that what happened in the
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past week, specifically the bombing of that maternity hospital that got so much attention around the world, that it bears the features of genocide. is that what you believe russia's intent is? >> well, russia -- president putin believes that ukraine has no right to exist as a country. he thinks we are russians, we are not ukrainians. we are the same, which is obviously not the case. and from what we've been seeing in the recent three weeks is a series of deliberately committed war crimes, crimes against humanity. and when they bomb hospitals, maternity hospitals, schools, when they kill civilians passing by trying to be evacuated from the war zone, that, of course, indicates that they are
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