♪♪ [trumpet] >> i'm jokers in washington, and this week on "face the nation," russia's assault on ukraine grinds on into a second month with no end in sight. and will the january 6 committee subpoena the wife of a supreme court justice? the russian military has leveled cities and killed thousands over the last few weeks, and now announces a new phase: a possible retreat from kyiv where its advances have stalled. president biden spent three days in europe, rallying nato, visiting troops and refugees, all while taking aim at

vladimir putin. >> biden: for god's sake, this man cannot remain in power. >> the white house said president biden was not announcing a new effort to remove putin, but the president was clear about one thing. >> don't even think about moving on one single inch of nato territory. >> we'll get the latest reporting from the region, and we'll have more from michael morell and our david martin. and we'll get insight from the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, marie yovanovitch, and we'll talk with will hurd, a former c.i.a. officer who served in congress for six years. and then, new text messages reveal how the wife of a supreme court justice aggressively lobbied the trump white house to overturn the 2020 election. we'll talk to robert costa and the "washington post's" bob woodward, and we'll hear from adam kinzinger, a member of the

committee investigating the january 6 assault on the capitol. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." >> dickerson: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." president biden touched down early this morning from her trip through europe where he made the continued case for assistance to ukraine and sanctions against russia. neverthelessless, ukrainian president zelenskyy accused the west of lacking courage, making yet another exacerbated plea for more fighterets and tanks. we want to begin in lviv, just a few hundred miles away from where president biden was speaking in poland. cbs correspond imitiza tyab is there.

>> reporter: life really does seem to be returning back to normal, but life is anything but following the russian strikes on a fuel depo just two miles from here. almost immediately after the attack, we could see dark plumes of smoke rising into the sky, and later learned at least five people were injured. the russian government said its target was a plant being used to repair anti-aircraft systems, radar stations, and tanks. it comes less than a day after the russian general said that the kremlin would be, quote, "shifting focus from kyiv" to prioritizing what moscowcan s reion. imir ps changin s war on ukraine, what is clear are the kre kremlin's

miscalculations. and this russian missile strike is causing serious concern it could impact the humanitarian support that so many un ukrainians have received. >> dickerson: debra patta is in kyiv with this report. >> reporter: what russia lacs in strategy, it makes up for in videos like this one, claiming to show off their cruise missiles, 100 miles west of kyiv. but for ukrainians at the receiving end of this constant bombardment from the sky, it is hell on earth. the city of mariupol has been decimated, reduced to twisted skeletons of steel and the hallowed out shells of apartment blocks. burials of the dead

provide little dignity. the 100,000 people still trapped there have no electricity, very little food, and spend their nights in icy basements. fleeing the city carries a deadly risk. many cars come under fire. victoria defied this, escaping with her family to a town just outside of the capitol. all she has left from her life is precious videos on her phone. >> the town is very destroyed. there is nothing. there is nothing left. >> reporter: 7-year-old masha remembers everything. were you scared? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: i'm sorry. and while mariupol has borne the brunt of the russian invasion, it is not safe anywhere. in the north, residents in kharkiv brace for the

worst, sandbagging beloved monuments to protect against the bombing. ukrainians have put up a far tougher resistance that russia expected, determined and defiant. but kharkiv has every reason to be worried. a nuclear research facility has come under fire. ukraine's nuclear watchdog says the fighting makes it impossible to assess the damage. >> dickerson: debra, thank you. for a detailed breakdown of what the fighting stands and where it might go next, we would like to welcome david martin and michael morell, former acting and deputy director of the c.i.a. and a national security contributor here at cbs. good morning to you both. david, i want to start with you. where are we in this invasion at the end of this week? >> we heard what the russian ministry of defense has said, prioritizing eastern ukraine. you have to consider the

source there. they have a stellar source of troops. but on the ground, they are seeing some evidence that the units -- the russian units that were advancing on kyiv have started to dig into defensive positions, basically hunker down against all of these ukrainian counterattacks, and at the same time there is an increased level of bombing in eastern ukraine. now, that does not mean that vladimir putin has given up on taking the capital of kyiv. what i think it means is they have got to find a bilbattle plan that works. their original battle plan of advancing on the multiple fronts, north, east, and south, just didn't work. so maybe they're going to try one front at a time here. but at the same time that they are supposedly prioritizing, they are also sending in reenforcements for the

first time into ukraine, and they are keeping up this bombardment of the cities. look, we began this war by overestimating the russians. we should not underestimate them now. >> dickerson: my pickup on that, stalled maybe just to reload? >> stage one why the blitz to kyiv, and replacing the government with a puppet government and ukraine bames a bassel state. the russians lost pha one. 're no in phase two, in my view. and phase two is digging in defensively, as david said, fortifying so that you protect yourself from these ukrainian attacks. the russians are laying mines, which is a defensive maneuver, and they want to be in these fortifications so they can lob their mortars and rockets and missiles at ukrainian cities in an

attempt to break the ukrainian will so i think they can continue to advance. as david said, don't underestimate them. >> dickerson: david, is there any re-assessment from the government, that the ukrainian put up more fight than thought -- is there any way that the nato allies and others who are trying to help the ukrainians can take advantage of this new position from the russians? >> to begin with, i think everybody underestimated both the will and the skill of the ukrainians. they have taken these weapons, t these anti-tank weapons and anti-aircraft weapons, and they're making better use of their systems than the russians and making of theirs. they are outclassing them on the battlefield. but there is a second war here, which is the attacks on the cities.

and they're trying to break the will of the ukrainian people. the outcome may well depend on which happens first, whether the ukrainians force the russians into a flat-out stall on the battlefield, or whether these bombardments break the will of the ukrainian people. >> dickerson: so, mike, what david is suggesting here is vladimir putin's pain threshold, how high is that, or is it the survival in st instincts of the ukrainians. how long do you think this will take? >> they are shown over their history they're willing to accept a lot of pain to gain a victory. the second chechynan war, the combat phase lasted eight months, and t insurgency face lasted eight years. it took a long time.

they're willing to take the time here in a way that i don't think we understand in the west. >> dickerson: so if they're willing to take a long time, give me a sense of some of the precious it press that this puts on biden's coalition. >> everybody is facing pressure. it looks like 1980s again in moscow, he is facing the pain of dead soldiers coming home. russian mothers don't like that. that is his pain. the ukrainian pain is the death and destruction of their country. the western pain is the sanctions, they can't do business with europe. i talked to a lot of companies, both u.s. companies and foreign companies, and their question to me is: when are we going to be able to get back to doing business here? so there is that pressure. and then there is the pressure of the costs in terms of wheat prices and energy prices. everybody is facing pressure here. >> dickerson: that is

why biden is over there trying to keep things together. president zelenskyy has asked for nato help, help from anybody, planes, tanks. is he going to get it? >> he is not going to get the planes in the short run. that's just basically a risk-reward calculation that nato has made. they just don't believe that 20 polish migs in an uncertain state of repair are going to change the tide of battle, so why run the risk of escalating if it is not going to make a difference. right now there are not dog fights going on over ukraine. there are too many surface to air missiles for any plane to operate safely. the russians aren't really coming into ukrainian air space. they're attacking with long-range air-launched cruise missiles from russian territory and from crimea. so the u.s., for now, is

focused on these anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles, plus finding some high altitude anti-aircraft missiles, which the ukrainians know how to operate. we could give them ours, but they don't know how to operate those. >> dickerson: mike, i want to ask you about president biden's speech where he said vladimir putin cannot remain in power. and he frames this conflict as to totalitarians of course freedom. >> i think it is an error to say that putin has got to go. it strengthens putin at home. no russian citizen, none, wants to be told by the leader of russia's main enemy about what their leadership can look like and not look like. the broader framing i worry about as well. we should impose so much pain on this man that he

never thinks about doing it again. i think framing it as autocracy drives the chinese closer to the russians. >> dickerson: we have to end it there. david martin and michael morell, thank you for being with us. we'll be back in a moment. stay with us. thstay with us the power to do? would you like ♪ ♪ can a company make the planet a better place? what if it's a company of people working beside friends and neighbors? pursuing 100% renewable energy in our operations. aiming to protect, manage or restore millions of acres of land. and offering you more sustainably sourced products so you can become part of the change. so, can a company make the planet a better place? we're working on it, every day. ♪♪ so, can a company make the pla[ sneezing ] place?

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>> look, i mean, i've talked to ukrainian members of parliament, those out advocating or what is needed on the ground as well. and they say they need these. we can have the pentagon, all they want, say, well, we don't think they have the pilots for the migs. they do. they have them trained and waiting. you can have the pentagon saying we think this is escalatory. but sending an airplane is the like escalatory thing. i think that is wrong. we have to give them everything they need to win this war because we made it clear we're not going to intervene directly, and i don't think we should at this point. >> dickerson: we're going to move on to the january 6 committee, bob costa and bob woodward, mmittee from the wife of clarence thomas. they are to the white

house chi meadows, urging efforts to overthrow the election. "do not concede" and "the majority knows biden on the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history." why are these significant? >> look, i can't, as a member of the committee, confirm or deny the existence of those. i'll tell you we have thousands of text messages from lots of people. we have a lot of documents, and we are going to, in a methodical, fact-driven way got to the bottom line. the bottom line is: was there an effort to overturn a legitimate effort of an election, and what is the rock in our system that led to that and does it still exist today. with conspiracy theories as we've seen reported, this idea of relieving the crack or that the c.i.a. attacked the d.o.d., or

was attacked by the d.o.d. in germany, john, half of the country believes some of that stuff. this is a roadmap for how to overturn a legitimately-elected government. we're going to get to the bottom of this. as we have seen in ukraine, people are willing to die for democracy, and we at least mrs. thomas and questionn her? >> look, i think, again, we want to make sure that this isn't driven -- even though it is in the political well, it is not driven by a political note vacation, it is driven by facts. so when it comes to any future calling in of ms. thomas, we'll take a look at what the evidence is. we'll make a decision, and you all will know as soon as we do. what i don't want do do is get into speculating too much because i think it is important we have answers for the american people in a factual way here. >> dickerson: you talked about rot in the system. does the rot reach the

supreme court? >> ah, look, again, i'm not going to say that. i'm not going to say that it does or doesn't. we're just going to present the american people what the answer is. the supreme court handles their own ethics and internal stuff. but what we need to do is present to the american people where they have been lied to, where they believe lies, where there are bad actors out there that are sympathetic to vladimir putin. that kind of stuff is very important so that in five or 10 years when kids are reading in the history books about january 6, they're not buying into any conspiracy: they're getting the truth. >> dickerson: you said the supreme court has their own ethics. why can't a private citizen send a text, as zany as they may be, to the white house chief-of-staff? what is wrong with that? >> again, we're in a position where we're not confirming or denying what has been reported by costa and woodward. but if -- look, if in any

case a private citizen has a conversation, of course, we have a freedom of speech in this country. the question for the committee is for this or any exchange: was there a conspiracy, or how close did we get to overturn an election? we are not, as a committee, out to throw people in jail. we can have criminal activities because he has denied the request from the d.o.j. to come in, repeatedly. >> dickerson: these texts drop off -- they go away in december and january, and given the passion with which she is texting, are you confident that meadows has handed over all of his texts? >> i'm not confident that meadows has handed over everything at all. he was cooperating with us in a little bit, but in an

attempt to make donald trump happy, he stopped cooperating. we gave him plenty of space to come back and resume that, and he has not. he has waived executive privilege a thousand times by presenting what he has, and i'm not convinced he has handed over everything. it is in the d.o.j.'s hands whether to process him for contempt for congress. i hope d.o.j. does the right thing, and i hope we get all of the information that -- it is not congress, but that the american people deserve. the american people deserve these answers. >> dickerson: congressman adam kinzinger, thank you so much for being with us. we'll see you again. we'll see you again. and we'll be right back with a lot more on "face the nation." stay with us. planning options i? options? plans we can build on our own, or with help from a financial consultant? like schwab does. uhhh... could we adjust our plan... ...yeah, like if we buy a new house? mmmm... and our son just started working. oh!

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>> dickerson: welcome back to "face the nation." we're joined now by "washington post" associate editor bob woodward, and cbs chief election and campaign correspondent, robert costa, the reporters responsible for the scoop by clarence thomas' wife's efforts to overturn the 2020 election. glad to have you both here. bob woodward, i'll start with you. adam kinzinger was not forthcoming. why are these texts so important? >> well, because they come ater the election is ove