going on now till april 12. we have hundreds of wine, sure to please any wine enthusiast. so act now, 'cause these deals won't last long. stop in and save today. -♪ grocery outlet bargain market ♪ captioning sponsored by cbs russia forces haveregrouped andd their brutal assault on eastern ukraine. our scott pelley spoke with ukrainian president zelenskyy for 60 minutes. we'll have a preview. >> we think this will be a new wave of this war. >> brennan: what more can the u.s. do to help? we'll talk with white house national security advisor jake sullivan. and ukraine's ambassador

to the u.s., oksana markarova. and then we'll check in on the news here at home. is there a spring surge of covid underway? we'll ask dr. scott gottlieb. we'll talk to cleveland federal reserve bank president loretta mester, about covid and the conflict adding to soaring prices at home. finally, obama homeland security secretary jeh johnson weighs in on the growing crisis at the border, after the biden administration wants to lift the policy on asylum-seekers. it is all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪♪ >> brennan: good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." we are 46 days into this devastating war in ukraine, and the number of

attacks and atrocities continues to mount. russian forces have retreated from the north, but have dramatically stepped up their advancement in the east. we begin today with deborah patta reporting from kyiv, and we want to warn viewers some of the pictures you're about to see are disturbing. >> reporter: from land, sea, and air, the donbas region has already been pummeled relentlessly since the war began over six weeks ago. there is not much that hadn't been reduced to rubble, in cities like mariupol, where the people trapped inside are enduring what one resident described as misery worse than hell. and a new imagery shows a russian convoy of hundreds of armed vehicles moving steadily south, with a new battlefield commander at the helm, accused of ordering strikes that

flatten civilian neighborhoods in syria. ukrainian officials are urging residents to get out of there, even though it means risking a journey fought with danger. on friday, more than 50 civilians, including children, were killed in a missile attack on a train station where they were heeding official warnings to flee. in the cap capital, things could not look more different. unthinkable a few weeks ago, ukraine's president volodymyr zelenskyy walking the deserted streets during a surprise visit with the u.k.'s boris johnson, who brought promises of more military aid and more outrage. >> what putin has done in places like bucha and irpin is war crimes, his war crimes have permanently polluted his reputation. >> reporter: but the liberation of areas near kyiv has been muted by the growing list of russian

atrocities. from the roads in bucha littered with bodies to the mass graves filled with executed civilians. the hot line set up to report war crimes has been overwhelmed. more than 15,000 calls a day, says ukraine's human rights chief.[speaking foreign language] >> reporter: one cannot imagine that something like this can happen in the 21st century, she told us. she is determined to collect enough evidence to go straight to the international criminal court in the hague. yet another mass grave containing at least 130 bodies has been discovered near kyiv. but he pulled out of the inationacoin 201 margaret? >> deborah patta in kyiv, thank you. we have tonight's 60

minutes interview. >> what are you expecting now in the east and in the south? >> we think this will be a new wave of this war. we don't know how much russian weaponry there will be, but we understand there will be many times more than there is now. it all depends on how fast we will be helped by the united states.[speaking foreign language] >> reporter: to be honest, whether we will be able to survive depends on this: i have 100% confidence in our people and in our armed forces, but unfortunately i don't have the confidence that we will be receiving everything we need. >> brennan: scott's interview with president zelenskyy will air on tonight's "60 minutes". we go now to national security advisor jake sullivan. good morning to you, jake. >> good morning, margaret. > brennan: vladimir putin reportedly tapped a new central war commander for ukraine, the same general who oversaw a very

brutal campaign in syria, where they bombed hospitals and killed civilians. is this the signal that this is the type of scorched earth warfare we need to expect? >> margaret, i think it is consistent with the way russia has conducted this war from the beginning. we've seen scorched earth warfare and mass killings, horrifying and shocking images from towns like bucha, and the rocket attack. so think this is an indication we will see more of that. >> brennan: vladimir putin's spokesperson said a few days ago that russia has suffered significant losses of troops. but you say russia still has forces it can use to outnumber ukraine. do you assess that ukraine can win more than just the capital of kyiv? >> well, first, let's pause there for a moment because it is a remarkable thing that the ukrainians won the battle of kyiv. russia lost the battle of kyiv. kyiv still stands.

the capital city of ukraine was subject to an attack as its invading neighbor tried to conquer kyiv, and russia failed. and they failed chiefly because of the bravery and skill of the ukrainian armed forces, but they also failed because the united states and our partners put in the hands of those armed forces advanced weapons that helped beat back the russians. so we were proud to be able to support the ukrainians in that. now, the russians are regrouping, they're refitting, and they're refocusing, and they're refocusing out in the east where they will try to make progress. >> brennan: european leaders are walking around kyiv. when are the americans going to go back? >> we're working on positions when we will be able to set our diplomatic presidents up in kyiv. it gets worked through our securest professionals. they are actively doing that. in the meantime, margaret,

the united nations is surging resources, and also diplomatic resources to support the ukrainians. it was president biden and the united states who took the league at the united nations. it is the united states that is taking the lead in organizing just our supplies, but those of our allies. we will do that as we work on getting american diplomats back into the country. >> brennan: you're referring to a more muscular support. does that mean the united states has authorized sending the weapons that could be used inside russia? >> first, our focus is on helping ukrainians defend their territory back in ukraine, territory they have taken back in the north and northeast of the country, and we want to set them up to be able to do the same in other

places as well. second, when it comes to the issue of training, the u.s. is looking at systems that would require some training for the ukrainians. we're also looking to source weapon systems from allies and partners that the ukrainians already know how to use. a good example of that is the s300 air defense system that slovenia sent this week. the reason they sent it is because the united states was willing to supply a patriot battery to replace that system. so it is about getting other partners and allies that have other equipment that the ukrainians need and we're helping them do do so. >> brennan: what are the bits of equipment you're talking about now? >> this week chairman millie and i spent two hours on the phone with the ukrainian armed forces commander and president zelenskyy's top advisor. and we went through every single one of their requests, priority by priority, and worked

through a game plan that how either from our stocks or our stocks from our allies and partners, to get that to the ukrainians. that's the kind of level of effort that the united states is putting into this, not just on our own behalf, but leading a coalition of countries to deliver for the ukrainians. >> brennan: jake, i want to play for you something that president biden said just after russia invaded. >> biden: no one expected the sanctions to prevent anything from happening. it is going to take time. they are profound sanctions. let's have a conversation in another month or so to see if they're working. >> brennan: we're now well-past a month. do you think president putin just doesn't understand the profound impact on his economy? does he not feel it or has he just not care?

>> they have pulled back portions in northern ukraine -- >> brennan: because of what is happening on the balancedfield? >> chiefly the reason they made those adjustments is because they were beaten on the battlefield. but as you heard from the kremlin spokesperson, they're acknowledging major losses, and president putin is acknowledging the pain on the russian economy. he has spoken about the compettheextent to which the russian economy has been hit. in addition, as president biden has said repeatedly, the goal of these sanctions in part is to impose costs on russia, to make it harder for them to fuel their war machine and over time to grind down russian power and capacity. and, yes, as president biden said, that will take time, but we will continue to squeeze russia, to

impose costs on russia, and we believe that as those costs mount, they will, in fact, improve ukraine's position at the bargaining table and make an outcome of this war that ukraine wants to see more likely. >> brennan: jake, what you're laying out is a very slow bleed of the ukrainian people. what we're hearing from president zelenskyy on this program last sunday was an attempt to ex term nato. extermirnate. he said 2,000 people have gone missing. it is hard for people to stomach that the united states does not have more responsibility to protect. for a president to ran on human rights, how do you justify that? >> it is a responsibility to supply the ukrainians with the tools they need to be able to defend their cities and push back against the russians.

we have done that at unprecedented scope, scale, and speed. and it has had a profound effect. the victory in the battle fof kyiv, the liberation of cities and towns in ukraine, they are, as i said before chiefly about ukrainian bravery and skill, but they would not be possible without the supply of weapons and the generosity of the american people and the leadership of president biden in rallying the world. and those sanctions that are imposing severe costs on the russian economy, they will have an affect. >> brennan: jake sullivan, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. >> brennan: we turn now to our national security correspondent, david martin. i know you've been looking into these alleged war crimes. i can think of one current and one former war leader still living, unlikely to face trial. same story for vladimir putin?

>> that is probably the most likely scenario. i talked to the state department official who is in charge of assembling all of this evidence, and she said because putin is so clearly all-powerful in moscow, it is relatively easy to make a war crimes case against him. you don't have to come up with some smoking gun order, i, vladimir putin, direct you to kill civilians. all you have to do is show that he knew what was happening and did nothing to stop it. so she flatly predicted that he will be indicted as a war criminal. taking him into custody is, obviously, another problem. but, if an arrest warrant is issued for him, he becomes an international fugitive, and he cannot travel to any country that recognizes the validity of that arrest warrant. so at the very least, he could be confined to russia for the rest of his life. >> brennan: recognizes

the validity, key phrase there, david. i want to ask you about what we just heard from jake sullivan. he talked about that two-hour phone call with chairman millie, laying out more equipment and training for ukrainian forces. what do they actually need to win the fight? >> the training that he is talking about, at least that i know of, is on these switch blade lawyering drones they are now sending by the hundreds, and on another drone called the puma. those are r relatively quick training courses, two days and you can learn how to operate it. if you're talking about an m1 abrams tank, that is just not a quick fix to what they are facing now. you said win. win is a big word. if win means force the russians to retreat and

surrender, that's probably not going to happen. and it's probably not a good idea. vladimir putin made a colossal blunder, but he still has got thousands of nuclear weapons, and you don't want to put him in a corner and order him to come out with his hands up for fear he will become desperate enough to resort in some way to some limited use of nuclear weapons. >> brennan: so you fight to a stalemate to get to the negotiating table? >> it is more than just a stalemate because that battle that is shaping up in the east, they're trying to cut off the ukrainian army and then kill it. and if it can do that, then the rest of the country is open. i think vladimir putin learned the hard way he does not have enough troops to occupy the entire country, but the further he can advance, the stronger his hand at whatever negotiating table he ends up at.

>> brennan: david martin, thank you for your reporting and analysis. and "face the nation" will be back in a minute, so stay with us. eyes on the ball baby. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do? you just can't stop. our commitment to you is clear. save money. live better. offer low prices every day, without sacrificing quality. by delivering fresh groceries you feel great about serving. providing prescriptions as low as $4, top your family healthy. always being here to help you save money and live a little better each day. ♪ ♪ you're probably thinking that these two are in some sort of lover's quarrel. no, no, no. they're both invested... in green energy. and also each other. digital tools so impressive, you just can't stop. what would you like the power to do?

>> brennan: and wer back with ukraine's ambassador to the united states, oksana markarova. welcome to "face the nation." >> thank you. >> brennan: we just heard from jake sullivan all of the equipment that the u.s. is considering giving and training, he says, to ukrainian forces -- what specifically do you need now? >> well, we work now on a daily basis with our colleagues here, and i have to say that there is progress and i will not, of course, disclose the specifics of what we're working on. i'd rather surprise russians on the battlefields with it. but i think there is an understanding that after the battle of kyiv, we really have to win this battle of donbas, and we have to win this war. and we need all of the equipment, all of the fire power, all of the anti-air, in order to be able to do so. >> brennan: there has already been eight years

of fighting in the east before this full-scale invasion. so when you are looking at the full force of the russian military bearing down on this region, exactly what are you preparing for? what are you telling ukrainians to prepare for? >> we have seen this, as you rightfully pointed out, we have been saying for eight years, and we have seen these atrocities and these horrible attacks in the east, russia occupied illegally and attacked in 2014 and 2015. right now we see all of the airstrikes, in mariupol, essentially destroying the cities from the air, but also the atrocities from the ground, which now everyone sees after we were able to liberate north of kyiv. so what we're preparing is for the massive attack in the east. yes, the enemy, the russians, they are

demotivated, they are war criminals, but there are so many of them and they still have so much equipment. and it looks like they're going to use all of it. so we're preparing for everything. we're preparing for securing the city limits. that's why (indiscernable) for the safety of children and women. we saw what happened in crimea, when russia attacked, the effort in order to get as many citizens out from where we expect intensified attacks to be. and, of course, our armed forces. the president, the commander in chief, and all of the armed forces, they are preparing for whatever russia is going to do in order to be able to defend us. >> brennan: the justice department says it is working with your government on these alleged war crimes. and we've heard president zelenskyy say you have people in custody who have shared information about what they were told to do. they had maps of civilian areas they were told to bomb.

so what happens to those rank-and-file soldiers? do they face trial in ukraine? >> well, look, i knoi can say wr crimes because we see them. we see them in realtime, and we have all of these witnesses on the ground. we filed all of the criminal charges in the international court. we have the criminal cases opened in ukraine, more than 4,000 individual criminal cases already by the prosecutor general. we have more countries who opened their criminal prosecutions, and we're providing all of the evidence to them. so, yes, all of them will be prosecuted, military commanders, personnel, people who did it on the ground, and people who ordered it, and ultimately putin. >> brennan: the united states is not -- where do you want these individuals to face trial? >> everywhere. there should be no place

on earth where they could hide. yes, we would like them to be tried in ukraine. and we hope after we win and after ukraine is liberated, that we will have a tribunal. i think ukraine and our people are entitled to a full-scale tribunal. but anywhere they can be prosecuted is fine. >> brennan: the united nations estimates hundreds of ukrainians have been moved to russia since the invasion began. president zelenskyy said 2,000 children were abducted in his u.n. address, he made that claim. what evidence do you have of that, and do you know what is happening in these so-called camps? >> we just put out an official resource calls war crimes in ukraine, and we have information there that almost half a million people, more than 400,000 have been forced to russia, and out of that 91,000 are children. >> brennan: what happened and why? >> we're trying to locate

all of them and get as much information as possible. we have evidence and accounts that they're taken to some temporary camps, and russians are taking away their documents, and they're trying to relocate them somewhere else in russia and ban them from moving back. so it is, again, another horrific war crime. and we're working day and night to essentially locate the people, and we have given publicly the numbers to the consulate, that people can call wherever they are and tell us where they are, who they are, so we can see and locate them. we're trying everything possible to get them home safely. >> brennan: ambassador, thank you for your time today. and we'll be back with more "face the nation." stay with us. these are the camper scouts. earning their eco badge. they're sharing this fedex electric vehicle and frank's sustainable camping store

with their global scout community. good thing frank uses fedex to help him expand his reach and make earth a priority. i never thought that i would have my ability gooto think and functiondex to hestripped from me. reach it's just unbearable. getting vaccinated against covid-19 is the best way to prevent long covid. with age comes more... get more with neutrogena® retinol pro plus. a powerful .5% retinol that's also gentle on skin. for wrinkle results in one week. neutrogena®. for people with skin.

>> brennan: a new cbs news poll out this morning shows that americans continue to be supportive of u.s. efforts in ukraine, with high support for sanctions, sending weapons and supplies, and also u.s. troops to protect nato allies. but just one in four would be in favor of sending u.s. troops directly into the conflict in ukraine. that dynamic changes dramatically, though, if russia were to attack nato allies or use nuclear or chemical weapons. that's different. we'll be right back. erent how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our client's portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate high commissions for you, right? (fisher investments) no, we don't sell commission products. we're a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client's best interest. (other money manager) so when do you make more money, only when your clients make more money? (fisher investments) yep. we do better when our clients do better. at fisher investments, we're clearly different. our commitment to you is clear.

save money. live better. offer low prices every day, without sacrificing quality. by delivering fresh groceries you feel great about serving. providing prescriptions as low as $4, to keep your family healthy. always being here to help you save money and live a little better each day. ♪ ♪

>> brennan: we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." former f.d.a. commissioner dr. scott gottlieb is standing by. stay with us. ♪♪

this is the cbs "overnight news." >> good evening. thanks so much for joining us this sunday. russia's attacks and atrocities are mounting in ukraine, and so is the exodus from the country. the united nations said today that more than 4.5 million ukrainians have fled the country, 47 days after russia's invasion. and new satellite images show a massive eight-mile-long russian convoy headed east. this after forces retreated from the north to regroup. we begin tonight with debora patta reporting from kyiv, and we should note that the images you're about to see are definitely disturbing. >> reporter: good evening.