good morning and welcome to mosaic. martin luther said about 500 years ago, we will be celebrating the 500th anniversary said our lord's promise of the resurrection is not just in looks alone but in every leaf in springtime. this is easter and we welcome you to this day the lord has made to rejoice and be glad in it. is also a joy to host my

longtime friends and ministers and colleagues who also reflect on this great day. i welcome reverend dale. >> good morning and happy easter. >> you are at cupertino? >> you yes i am pick united methodist, i've been there five years. >> jim hopkins in oakland. >> good morning, he is risen. >> right to have you both. let's take a few minutes before we go into our theme of easter. tells about your background dale. >> i am born and raised in san francisco and grew up at jones memorial united methodist church and went to seminary in 1996 across the country to wesley theological seminary in washington, d.c. and came back here and have been in the south

bay since 1999. my wife is also clergy, pastor los altos united methodist church. i have pastored for churches and all of those congregations have been cross racial and cross-cultural and usually there are one or a few that look like me and the congregation so aside from pastoring i am make cultural competency trainer and an activist with the pico network specifically with people acting in community together. >> you've been active in our conference, a delegate of the general conference and even over religion and race. we appreciate your experience. jim? >> i've been the pastor at lakeshore avenue baptist church for 28 years now. easter sunday marks the beginning of my 20 night.

i arrived on april 16, 1989. >> you baptist can stay a little bit longer. >> there is a different mindset there. strengths and weaknesses in each. baptist and to be a little longer tenured and methodist move but we are definitely in it together. >> to have you back. you're with us and thinks giving. >> i was. the times i've been on mosaic have always been good. i learned from you and my fellow guest. my take away is the san francisco bay area is blessed by some very courageous leaders and vibrant faith communities. >> i feel the same. this is about my 16th year. have many colleagues i am appreciative of.

i am always looking for something new. what can you say after doing 45 years of easter? what do you say this year? for easter? >> the joy in the celebration. one of the things is where we are in the country right now. there is a lot of chaos and fear . one of the things i hear in the scripture passage from matthew is angel's they do not fear. we have the victory. we are able to celebrate. i asked my son, what is it that's a special to easter about you? >> he said jesus came back and keep teaching and we still have lots to learn. >> jim?

>> it's an important easter for me and that my mother-in-law passed away last october, this is the first easter without her. no your mom has passed way back to think on the theme he is risen and what that meant to them the courage and brought to their lives and what it means to us as a put their deaths in proper perspective. >> i appreciate you both being here for my mom's service. with come back to mosaic and join us with dale and jim hopkins.

welcome back to mosaic. we have been speaking about easter and what it means this year. dell mentioned about the joy and the call that they also had a lot of fear. we talked about the contrast. how do you think the joy prevails in this story? >> one of the things i see about easter is they realized jesus's promises were true. there is the fear that the savior has left them and he has died and they want to go to the tomb to see him, how am i going

to live without my teacher? how am i going to live without the master, the rabbi? what is going to happen to me what will they do to me now that jesus is no longer here? to go and discover that the tomb is empty helps to take away some of that fear. they came in the darkness. one of the things about easter is we come to easter sunrise service any darkness and we worship and the light comes. on easter we get the light that helps us overcome the darkness and fear. >> i like that. >> i've been thinking a lot about the invitation of the angel it the team, especially the gospel matthew he's not here, he's gone ahead of you to galilee.

what does that mean? i think it means sometimes to move forward we have to take a few steps back. that's where they had done jesus his public ministry. that's where jesus had called them. the invitation is i'm going to lead you forward to joy in the midst of fear and right now we need to take a few steps back. go back to galilee, that's where you knew me in my full power in god's perspective and god's promise and where you saw god at work in the lives of the common folk. that is where you saw the kingdom of heaven at hand. let's take a few steps back in go back to galilee. >> thinking about that, the angels that they left it immediatel theyfend joyay

andto gothe others. going back to galilee is where it all started but at the same time we still have work to do. keep doing the work. >> there was unfinished business in galilee. >> you pointed that out. remember they seemed to leave just in fear. >> where does mark's gospel in? the short ending as they were afraid. when we talk about easter we have to take in account that fear, god works in the midst of fear. >> matthew's gospel is the only one that mentions the earthquake. what you do with the earthquake? what do you think of that dimension?

>> that's a challenging one. >> is it literal or a metaphor? i tend to go with metaphor. who else noticed it, it's clearly a symbol that the world is being shaken. i have a friend that says in the history of the cosmos the most important event because it sign that god intends to redeem all creation. it's not the freezer narrative for the cosmos. it's redemption and the resurrection is a sign of that in the earthquake points to that. >>? always get our attention. the ground shakes, it's not business as usual. there's an anticipation also because when the earthquakes come, we are waiting for the

aftershock of what's next. the earthquake came and it said the angels roadway. they were sitting on top of it. there is power with the earthquake things are shifting and changing . maybe we are looking at it metaphorically, how things are about to change with this resurrection. >> behold i make all things new. >> mr. william points out that he thinks the earthquake as well is the story of easter is not about us, it's about god because everyone else had disappeared. even with the women coming, they are coming not to expect lifer resurrection so they cannot make it happen.

they cannot remove the sound, the story is the soldiers are trying to block it. but god is the main actor. moses matters in the people matter. god is the actor that you can make the same case for the story of the resurrection. humans have to receive it and preach it and that becomes one of the debates about easter. who are the messengers? it's men and women alike. god acts but he quickly chooses partners. >> god uses who god will to bring about that salvation story. i like this phrase, the bad news is not e last news. there is still good news. god is bringing about this good news, this good news of

liberation. behold i'm making all things new. god uses the angels and the women, he uses everyone in the story to bring about god's desire and outcomes. >> thank you both. please join us in the next segment.

welcome back. we have been speaking to del weatherspoon and jim hopkins. they have told us a little bit about the good news and who tells that good news. and most of the stories, the women of the first. why would the gospel writers

take women who are marginalized then and many times now to be the spokesperson? >> i think it's witness that the gospel not only is from the marginalized, it is for the marginalized. those that speak it often receive it and clearly, we're talking about galilee, jesus's ministry was primarily among the marginalized. economically, racially, health and purity codes all marginalized. the women bearing the good news is witness to the gospel comes for the marginalized. >> that's excellent. >> jesus is coming out of nazareth, it women as jim was

saying are marginalized and again, god is using those margins to tell the story. the women were faithful and they walked with jesus. they gave out of their resources. this piece of faith they are sharing with one another, i think jesus is lifting them up because as we lift up women and children, all of humanity is lifted up. >> the lonely. >> yes. >> all of us set up our fences that god works to hear. just only set those boundaries of how and where god is working, all of the sudden the holy spirit is over here saying you have to break that fence down and follow me further. >> most of our services we hope are full that day and to this day.

what do you think the people are looking for when they come? you have said some excellent theological statements both of you but do our people think that way? are they thinking theologically , more pragmatic, some of the things you're saying are very pragmatic to sing not sure. >> every protestant congregation i know of and every pastor i know if wrestles with the christmas and easter congregations. over the years i've come to begrudge that less because there's something very clear about the easter message and clear about the christmas message. god is with you, god is for you and that's what folks want to hear. the reminder that their lives matter to god and as such come on easter and the minister will try to point to that and also

try to just get out of the way. the story is a lot better than us. >> we had a tradition for 31 years where we do a booklet and this year we are focusing on the gospel of luke some members of the congregation have been writing daily reflections on selected passages of luke's gospel. as we go deeper into what is god calling us, what is god doing, for some of us we have to wrestle, what is it that is holding us? what is keeping us in holding us to slavery to sin and death, what is keeping us from living the fullness of life? that is that dark time. i think the easter pieces were coming with hope and with joy. easter is in the springtime and it's about new growth, we are watching flowers bloom.

how do we bloom and become new again. baptism is tied with easter so with baptism it's new life. i think people are coming with the expectation to celebrate the limp and new hope. >> we go back to luke and so forth, we did once pause and read the story but a lot of these numbers did not care for it. because of the prodigal son seemed to get off, the elder son is left out. >> the elder brother gets more than he deserves. >> our study this lent is about the biblical theme of sacrifice. it's giving something up in the hebrew word for sacrifice means

drawing near. as we give things up, things that block the presence of god, as we give up our fear and hate and anger, there is a lot of clutter stuff that needs to be moved out of the way to give god an opening into our lives. that's represented by the stone in front of the tomb. role thataway in god can get in and jesus can get out. >> we have one more segment and we will wrap it up with some more thoughts. please join us on mosaic.

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colleagues that of express the word in such a good way on the state and easter so we want to close with a few more words and thoughts that we might leave with hope and joy and not just a fear. dell why don't you start. spectrum was just talking about the stone being rolled away. part of whg ing in easterasar rentance meantocha ople lems r and give up those things that hold us it is moving the stone away so we can continue to go forward and go the direction that god is calling us to go. the other word we use, alleluia and hosanna. hosanna means jesus saves the as we repent we realize we

cannot save ourselves individually or as a nation. we need god to help us and jesus has shown us the way. >> the new book, alleluia anyway. i hadn't read it yet, just picked it up. >> even if you haven't been to church in a while, come to church, we want you there, you never know what your presence there means to somebody else. whether you believe or not believe in you are on the way to believing, it's not the question, come and share the joy with us in about your presence will mean something to somebody else. >> you've both been so inspiring. i want to know where your churches are, if i was not preaching myself i like to hear you this morning. dale? >> 196 24 homestead road in

cupertino. afton say there's no such thing as a stranger so come and be a part of god's beloved community. we worship at 9:00 am. one service in english and an 11:00 service in mandarin. >> you said you had a diverse church. >> 3534 lakeshore avenue in oakland corner of lakeshore and the worship is at 10:00 and 4:00 one of our peoples of burma congregation worships. >> i read something by albert einstein recently. he said you cannot read the gospel and not feel jesus coming through. he pulsates with life on every

word that comes through. this is not a myth. it is life. i love that. i've used it already and i plan to use it again if he already. i think jesus is the story and jesus is the one who rises from the dead and calls us all out of our tombs. the final words? >> it's interesting you quote einstein. he helped us understand that the universe is curved. curves towards jesus and hope and that's the message of easter. >> amen. >> it's about the good news. don't despair, don't fear, we have an opportunity for new life as a put our hand in the masters hand and walk with jesus. >> thank you for being with us dale. >> always a pleasure.

>> you have been with us this time and we hope that god's grace and resurrection power will be in your life this day. go forth and celebrate easter. alleluia.

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