i'm ed o'keefe in washington. this week on "face the nation" as the legal trouble for former president trump and some of his key allies mount, his grip on the republican party tightens, leading up to the midterm elections. in the newest installment of this late summer drama, the judge who authorized that search warrant giving the fbi permission to seize classified materials from mr. trump's home at mar-a-lago now says he's inclined to make public some of the information in the affidavit justifying it. despite the justice department's objection to releasing any of it, they're working on redactions. we'll talk with the top republican on the house intelligence committee, mike turner. he's one of many lawmakers who want to know more about those documents. then we'll try to decipher the

legal challenges in at least 13 federal, state and congressional investigations and lawsuits involving the former president. and it's back-to-school time. education secretary miguel cardona will talk about the challenges facing our nation's schoolchildren, including teacher shortages across the country and setbacks due to covid. plus former white house coronavirus response coordinator dr. deborah birx returns to weigh in on the proposed changes at the cdc. moving on to the midterm elections, as president biden signs that bill that fights climate change, cuts health care costs and raises taxes on corporations, democrats hope to run with that victory towards the finish line in november. >> we've not wavered, we've not flinched, and we've not given in. instead we're delivering results for the american people. >> will voters see it that way? senate republican leader mitch mcconnell has a reality check. >> there's probably a greater likelihood the house flips than

the senate. senate races are just different. they're statewide. candidate quality has a lot to do with the outcome. >> we'll take a look at why he's saying that with our political panel. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." i'm ed o'keefe. we'll see margaret in a moment but i'm helping her out as she's dealing with a situation that's all too familiar for every parent, caring for a sick child. on this late summer morning, americans are looking ahead to the fall. kids are going back to school. and the politics leading into the midterm elections are heating up. we'll get to that in a moment. but we begin with margaret's interview with education secretary miguel cardona.

she spoke to him earlier. >> good morning to you, mr. secretary. >> good morning. >> this is a busy time of year for you, no doubt. president biden said america's students are on average two to four months behind in reading and in math because of the pandemic. now we also have this teacher shortage, and in some states like missouri, a number of districts are shortening the school week to just four days. how much additional learning loss will happen because of the shortage? >> first of all, i'm excited about the beginning of the school year. this is a year full of promise and opportunities for students who have for the last two years put up with too much. and thanks to the american rescue plan, the dollars are there to make sure that we can open up our schools with sufficient educators. our students need more, not less. so when i hear reports of districts shortening up their week, it concerns me. our students need additional support. they need smaller class sizes. they need tutors, they need

after school programs. so let's use the american rescue plan dollars to bring back retired teachers, to work with universities to make sure that our student teachers are starting a little bit earlier into their profession using the dollars put forward by the federal government. we think that it's important our students get more this year, not less. >> americans have pumped billions of taxpayer dollars over the past three years into schools through emergency programs. you mentioned one of them. can the federal government force goveto realcate thoses? hoo you actua g vee? ot really about forcing, it's about working with them. but let's face it, this teacher shortage is a symptom of something that's been going on for longer than the pandemic and that's a teacher respect issue. unless we're serious about providing competitive salaries for our educators, better working conditions so that they can continue to grow. >> is it really just about salaries? >> it's definitely not just about salaries but let's think back the last couple of years.

our educators have bent over backwards. we went from totally in-person learning to remote learning overnight. yet the pandemic pushed many educators out of the profession because in many cases, you know, educators were not being respected. when schools had to close, it created some tensions in our schools. we need to make sure we're supporting our educators, giving them the working conditions where they feel connected to the community and feel supported in the work that they're doing. critically important work. >> in the meantime, it's a matter of what's best for students and i want to ask you, we are seeing districts change the qualifications so that instructors can be there in class. oklahoma eliminated a general education test certification requirement. arizona now allows people without a college degree to begin teaching before they graduate. in illinois, people can teach in a classroom with just 90 hours of college education. this looks, mr. secretary, like

the standards and quality of american education are being lowered. >> right. and it's unfortunate. our students need more now, not less. while i understand that there are issues getting qualified educators into the classroom, we've been working really closely with our states to give them not only the resources but the ideas on how to help address the short-term issue. >> do you support these ideas? >> i do not support lowering any standards for qualifications with teachers. i think we need to be creative in how we get the teachers in. for example, student teaching is four months of teaching without pay. i think we should use the american rescue plan dollars to get student teachers and give them a salary. many people are leaving the profession or training programs for the profession because they cannot afford four months of teaching without salary. i think we need to raise the bar on making sure teachers are

getting paid what they're due. the teaching profession, college graduates earn on average 33% less than other collegeducated progra o o edated that'sptab ador infln, teachers havead only $29 more than they did 25 years ago. we need to do better there, and that will address some of those shortage issues. >> are you looking at targeted debt relief, student debt relief for those teachers who are in programs that you just mentioned? >> certainly. the public service loan forgiveness program is up and running. we provided a waiver of one year to widen the net. so for those of you who are listening, studentaid.gov, check out to see if you're eligible now for student loan relief. if you're a public servant and have worked for ten years, you should have your loans forgiven. we want to make the process simpler. but we're also focusing on

making sure the loan forgiveness we're providing goes to those folks who have been taken advantage of by their institutions. all total, $32 billion in loan cancellation for those who either have total and permanent disability, those who have been taken advantage of by their institutions of higher education. we're not slowing down. we want to make sure that college is more accessible and more affordable for americans across the country. >> do you have a decision for us then on what's going to happen at the end of this month for families budgeting in terms of whether there will be a suspension of some of those student debt programs. >> sure. i don't have a decision for you today. i will tell you daily we're having conversations about this and the american folks will hear before the end of the month. >> we spoke to a superintendent of the los angeles school district just last sunday. he told us that there are roughly 10,000 to 20,000 children who are just simply missing. no idea where they went. >> right. >> how widespread is this

problem of lost children in american school systems? >> you know, it's a concern not only in los angeles but in other parts of our country. in particular, our urban centers where we know the pandemic impacted urban centers where the density is higher. many families moved out of cities. so the work that i've seen happening across the country that i'm really proud of is the work where districts are now hiring folks to work as community liaisons, family liaisons where they're knocking on doors, finding students, bringing them back into the classroom and re-engaging them. it is an issue. oftentimes it's not just education. the family has fallen on hard times or had loss in their family. so providing the support that they need is something we're encouraging our schools to do and we look forward to getting those students back and the families back to the classroom. >> when i spoke to you a few months ago, you pointed out the drop in enrollment of the youngest americans,

kindergarteners, preschoolers. >> yes. >> i know that the cdc has loosened some of the guide loins for schools when it comes to covid health guidance. each district decides its own policies. right now we are seeing covid spread. we are seeing monkeypox splread among children. why isn't the biden administration hosting town halls, informing people more directly, instead of having these very confusing and changing cdc guide lines? >> you know, as a father myself, my children's safety is my priority and it's the priority for me that all students are safe and can go to school healthy. that's why we've been fighting from day one to increase vaccination efforts, to make sure that the schools have the tools for the mitigation strategies that they need, that we have information. last week i spoke to dr. walensky and dr. jha from the white house about this upcoming school year. we feel very optimistic that

it's going to be a great year and families shouldn't be worried right now about monkeypox and that we have the tools that we need to give students vaccination and keep them safe in our schools. i want our families thinking about how this year is a better year than last year. we have better tools, better resources and we should expect a better school year for our students and our families. >> mr. secretary, i think we all hope for that. thank you for your time. >> thank you. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ my moderate to severe plaque psoriasis... the burning, itching.

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>> you know, this was an incredible acknowledgement by the cdc director just a few days ago about the agency that she runs. dr. walensky said to cdc employees, to be frank, quote, we are responsible for some pretty dramatic, pretty public mistakes. from testing to data to communications. this is our watershed moment. she outlined these proposed changes to institutional culture, accountability, communication, timeliness. do you agree, doctor, with her diagnosis? >> i'm thrilled that she had jim mccray and did this work because a lot of directors would have just tried to tweak. and tweaking the agency at this point was not going to be successful. this is an inflection point. >> and they have to be approved still by the hhs secretary. but do you think that it is enough for a bureaucracy to try to fix itself or does congress need to step in and legislate

here? >> well, there's certain things that congress needs to do, and the number one thing is to stop trying to create a parallel data system. in many countries, the public health system and the clinical system are one. in our country they have been separate and it has failed us. >> back in january of 2021 when we spoke, i remember you saying you didn't trust the cdc data that you were getting during the trump administration. so if dr. walensky is saying that this is a problem, how does she actually fix it? are you saying that the government can't do it alone, that it needs private industry to step in? >> yes. and that was the way we were able to get the data. first and foremost, in march of 2020, all of our data that i used to warn americans of who was at risk for severe disease, hospitalization and death came from our european colleagues.ho indictment of our system.

secondly, reporting was coming in extraordinarily slow from hospitals through a system that cdc had created. and i know this created controversy, but for three months i asked the cdc to fix its system and develop a partnership with clinics and hospitals and laboratories and they wouldn't. and so that's why i asked all the hospitals to start reporting and they did. and so i think sometimes we hold ourselves back. the private sector is willing to help us. another issue i've had with the cdc, i've asked them over and over again, if you're going to issue guidance like the five days and return to work in a mask, show the data transparently that you utilized to come to that decision, because i think when americans saw that it was a very small number, that they would have really reconsidered those guidelines. and so you really need the information. americans are smart, they can process the information. give them all of the data. >> sorry, to pick up on what you

just said, you are saying that the current cdc guidance of being able to return to work after five days if you wear a mask is based on flawed data? >> well, it's based on what we call in medicine a convenience data set rather than all americans. we've had millions and millions of infections and we could have tracked americans over that time period. we could have said to people test on day three, defetest on six, test on day nine. they would have seen that the antigen test was still positive in most cases out to nine, ten and le11. we have to assume that you're infectious if your antigen test is positive. >> why -- but why would the cdc -- why would the cdc do that? are you suggesting that there is a concern here due to the worker shortage or political interference? why would they tell people to return to work if there's no way

they'd actually have cleared the virus within a short period of time? >> well, there definitely was a worker shortage. but i think when we have that happen, we have to be very clear. we can say to people we think you're still shedding some virus and that's why we're telling you to wear a mask. accrued indication that you're still shredding virus is your antigen test. so we're really not using the tools that we have to ensure americans can both survive and then thrive. and we do have tools. we have so many better tools now. >> i raised political interference because as you know during the trump administration, and you felt some of this, that was one of the criticisms. but when it comes to the cdc advice, if you go through it, people may forget, we had field hospitals in the middle of central park and refrigerator trucks moving dead bodies.pwe'v. but the cdc guidelines on masks was wrong.

it was wrong when it came to the tests they were trying to create and deploy. they were telling people to take their temperature, not realizing there was asymptomatic community spread. are we at the point where you cannot rebuild public trust? is the agency worth reforming? >> well, the way you rebuild public trust is be transparent. and i think that's in the report. better data, better accountability, better transparency. but they also have to believe, and this gets to the culture piece, people can understand complicated issues. it's your job as a public health official. that's what public in public health means. your job is to take complex situations and data and create graphs so that people can understand why you are making those recommendations. recommendations that are created out of lack of transparency and out of a black box where you can't really follow the logic is

what leads to fracturing in trust and you really have to work to re-establish that. it can be done, but they have to change how they collect data, how they present data, and how they communicate to the american ople. >> i'm going to ask you about monkeypox. it was first detected in may in this country. now it's a public health emergency and there are reports of it spreading among children, particularly in the state of new york right now. as parents send their kids back to school, what do they need to know? >> well, i think what was so disturbing to me about monkeypox is a lot of the issues that got us into the ditch with covid were repeated. those mistakes were repeated with monkeypox. not adequate testing early on, not making tests available in every community that you knew was at risk. we had the road map of who was at risk. we should have immediately made tests available through the gay and bisexual network. they are very responsible people. they're very knowledgeable about

prophylaxis and preventing disease because they have been doing it for decades. this is a highly informed group. if they had communicated to that group, if they had provided testing and provided vaccines to all of them in may, we wouldn't have this problem in august. and so five months has gone by, just like what happened with covid. lack of preparation, lack of engagement, lack of utilization of the tools that we had in realtime to prevent this 14,000 and probably it's well over 20,000 now. and remember, it can be spread, yes, skin to skin but it can also be spread through clothing and linen. and so we just have to tell people, if you have any kind of lesion, please get tested because you can spread it unknowingly to your household, you can spread it unknowingly to your family members, you can spread it unknowingly to your friends and to your ried a our

lo-term care facilie beuse it could ao spread in long-term care facilities because of laundering. is monkeypox killed in cold water or do you need to wash the clothing and everything in hot water? these are practical solutions that the american people need. >> dr. birx, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you, margaret. always good to see you. >> and we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation." stay with us. u were a global bak who wanted to supercharge your audit system? so you tap ibm to un-silo your data. and start crunching a year's worth of transactions against thousands of compliance controls with the help of ai. now you're making smarter decisions faster. operating costs are lower. and everyone from your auditors to your bankers feels like a million bucks. let's create smarter ways of putting your data to work. ibm. let's create

fears of nuclear catastrophe are mounting in eastern europe and moscow and kyiv accuse each other of shelling a nuclear power plant in southeastern ukraine, the largest such plant on the continent. charlie d'agata is in ukraine with more. >> reporter: black smoke rises among the russian navy headquarters in crimea, the apparent drone strike is the latest in a string of high-profile attacks penetrating air defenses deep within russian-held territory.

more fighting has been reported near the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, as russia and ukraine allow inspectors from the nuclear watchdog iaea access to the complex. nearly six months since the russian invasion began, we revisited the scenes of some of the worst fighting in the early days of the war. the airfield on the outskirts of kyiv where outnumbered ukrainian forces fought off elite russian paratroopers intent on taking it over. the extraordinary amount of damage here tells the story of the ferocious firefight that took place at this airfield. a battle that would prove critical in the fight for the capital itself. back in early march, the children's summer camp where we found terrified camp director tatiana sheltering elderly residents. >> please help us, i ask you.

that could be here. i ask you go now. >> reporter: we did go down where we foundi the elderly and young children hiding out, even as thunderous explosions ran out. >> tatiana. >> reporter: we found tatiana again alive and well this week. >> i'm okay. >> reporter: i'm so happy. >> i'm glad to see you too and thank you. every day i remind you -- >> reporter: you look so different. >> really? a little bit. >> reporter: in a good way. >> understand if we survive -- >> that night when i saw you. >> yes. that morning i decided that it is needed to take out people from there downstairs. and you helped us. thank you. >> reporter: i tried to help you. i didn't do much. >> no, you saved their life. >> reporter: she said they were rescued the very next morning as

russian forces closed in, but other residential neighborhoods just like this are still getting flattened. in the path of russia's grinding military offensive and ukraine's fight back where territory gained and lost is measured not in miles, but feet. and there aren't many happy endings for those caught in the middle. >> charlie d'agata reporting from ukraine. we'll be right back.

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>> reporter: this is the c "cbs overnight news". tonight millions of americans from texas to louisiana are under threat of flash flooding. torrential rain is swamping drought stricken land. near flagstaff, arizona, rushing water made the roads impassable. there's more rounds of rain to come as storms move east. cbs's dania bachus is tracking it all. >> reporter: good evening, jericka. it is extremely dry here in los angeles here in the west, southwest, there is a rush to clean up in the wake of powerful storms that left a muddy mess. floosh flooding in