please join us when our trumpet sounds again, next sunday morning. ♪ ♪ i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation" -- domestic and international crises test global relations as world leaders converge in london for queen elizabeth's funeral. their next stop, the annual united nations gathering in new york. and as president biden struggles to fight economic headwinds, a political battle over immigration explodes when red state governors pick up the pace on relocating migrants crossing their borders by unceremoniously relocating them to blue state sanctuaries. like the sidewalk in front of the vice president's washington home. plus, russian president vladimir putin faces a public rebuke from a key partner and

the cold shoulder from another as ukrainians retake more of their territory, uncovering horrors left behind by russian forces. finally, our continuing coverage of the stress test of our democracy. as our nervous nation starts the 50-day countdown to midterm election day. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning and welcome to "face the nation." it is a somber sunday as we come on the air today. in london, there is unprecedented security for the hundreds of world leaders, including president biden, who are gathering for tomorrow's state funeral of queen elizabeth. it will be the largest assembly of heads of state and government in years. our scott pelley spoke with

president biden before he left for the uk and discussed how he's navigating the new world order. for tonight's season premiere of "60 minutes". >> president xi and vladimir putin have met on the same day that you and i are sitting here in the white house. and i wonder if this is a new, more complicated cold war? how do you manage it? >> i don't think it is a new, more complicated cold war. look, when -- when president xi invited putin to beijing during the olympics where they had their meeting, the new relationship, not long after that i called president xi. not to threaten at all, just to say to him, we've met many times. and i said that if you think that americans and others were to continue to invest in china based on your violating the

sanctions that have been imposed on russia, i think you're making a gigantic mistake, but that's for your decision to make. thus far there's no indication they've put forward weapons or anything that russia has wanted. so -- well, maybe i shouldn't say any more. >> oh, i wish you would. >> no. >> here at home, a political firestorm erupted between republicans and democrats over immigration. an issue made more complicated by challenging relationships between the u.s. and some of our neighbors to the south. republican governors have been relocating some who have crossed the border into their red states for months now. but last week the images of migrants flown or bussed from texas to martha's vineyard, vice president harris' residence in washington and new york city, has sparked a fury of political backlash. >> i think it is the height of irresponsibility, much less

just, frankly, a dereliction of duty, when you are an elected leader to play those kind of games with human life. >> they were so proud to be sanctuary jurisdictions, saying how bad it was to have a secure border. the minute even a small fraction of what those border towns deal with every day is brought to their front door, they all of a sudden go berserk. >> now new yorkers and people in washington, d.c., are having to deal with it and now texas is sharing our pain with the rest of the country. >> the u.s. is set to record more than 2 million migrant arrests at the border with mexico this year, a record high. we turn now to democratic congressman henry cuellar. he represents a border district in south texas and he joins us this morning from laredo. congressman, i know you feel strongly about what's happening in your backyard. i wonder if both you and your constituents support bussing

these migrants up and down the east coast? >> first of all, we need solutions and not theater. by sending folks off to new york and chicago, it does bring attention, but we want to focus more on solutions on the border. we got to get border patrol, homeland skurs, i.c.e., equipment, making sure they have everything to enforce the law. if we don't have repercussions at the border, we're going to continue getting 8,000 people a day. they might get two buses a day in some of those cities. just from my hometown in la red, we're sending out 26 to 28 buses a day out of laredo to give you an understanding of what's happening here. >> in some places like martha's vineyard there aren't even migration centers and there was no coordination. is that the part you're objecting to?

>> yeah. look, after all, the migrants are human beings and we got to treat them like human beings. they're being used as political pawns to get publicity. at the same time, i represent some of the poorest counties along the border in the nation. >> right. well, i know you have shared with us some video of what's happening in your district, that law enforcement officers have shared with you, some pictures, some video that our viewers are seeing right now. is law enforcement getting the resources that they need? >> no. look, you know, the men and women in green, the men and women from homeland, they need to get the support. they're good men and women. what they need to do is have two things. one, they need to get more personnel. we're adding more personnel in the appropriations bill. they need to get the equipment. they need to get -- they need to get help. but the most important thing is they've got to be able to

enforce the repercussions because if you don't reinforce -- >> what does that mean repercussions? are you talking about the fact many of these migrants are bussed are from venezuela where the u.s. cannot deport them because of diplomatic relations being so strained? >> right now we're getting people from saudi arabia, china, india, bangladesh, of course cuba and venezuela. there are certain folks -- you know, the countries that might not accept some of the people. you got to look at asylum. most of the people coming in don't apply for asylum. we have to do as your next guest will do, secretary jeh johnson, he treated people with respect. at the end of the day he enforced the law and he returned people. one of the things this administration is not doing is they're showing -- he showed people going and landing in the countries in honduras to show there are repercussions. margaret, when was the last time you saw a picture, video of people going back? you only see people coming in.

and you got to have words along with actions to enforce it. >> right. i mean, it's pretty complicated but title 42 still is in place. there is expelling of migrants happening. it sounds like what i hear you saying is you want the white house or higher level officials to go and make these public statements. vice president harris, when she was asked about this, pointed right back to people with your job, lawmakers, to go rewrite the laws and pass immigration reform. what actually needs to be done and how do you respond to that? >> look, there are enough -- with respect to the vp, there are enough laws on the book right now that can return people back. secretary johnson, your next guest, did it the right way. he treated people with dignity, but he returned people and he showed images of people being returned because right now the cartels are using people because they make, let's say, $8,000 a

person. in two years, all the people that come in, that's about 4 million individuals. you multiply that by $8,000. that shows you how much that guy is being enriched at the sake of human beings. >> on that point, the homeland security secretary was on this program back in july after those 53 migrants died in the most tragic smuggling incident in this country. and he said it is possible because of how sophisticated these smugglers have gotten to bypass u.s. checkpoints sometimes. is it that the framing of this conversation is completely wrong? that it's not just people walking across, that it is very sophisticated criminal enterprises? >> look, everybody that comes across is somehow controlled by the bad guys. i mean, people don't just happen to walk across a river or across the border. it's all controlled by the

migrants. every sector, for example, along the border is controlled by some sort of cartel. yes, they're very sophisticated. yes, they've got the money. yes, they do counterintelligence. what happened to those 53 migrants, we don't have a checkpoint big enough to handle what we're seeing, so the bad guys were able to use that checkpoint because we haven't put the resources on that checkpoint like we need to do. >> and i know you've shared images with us of some of the coyotes, smugglers who have these trailers of people across. but there is interdiction taking place. i know you know that. what are you saying is needed? >> i'm saying if you look at the border patrol sectors in my area, 60% of the border patrol agents are in border processing centers. that is they're taking care of migrants. 10% of them are doing administrative work. that leaves only 30% of the border patrol doing the work.

30%. therefore, large numbers coming in will be crossing, and then you also have more deaths out there because there's less border patrol agents. border patrol needs help. men and women in green need help. no ifs ands, or buts about that. >> congressman, one of the bigger problems in this country is the economy and the worker shortage we have. i wonder if this is part of that. if you have people who are desperate for economic opportunity coming here and america needs workers, isn't there some way to make this work for america? >> absolutely. i support a guest worker plan. i support a way that you can -- and we passed that from the house. we're waiting for our senate to get that done. and i would tell you that if we have people under a guest worker plan, then border patrol's job would be done easier because people looking for a job will come in the legal way and then border patrol can focus on the bad people. so, it would help us on security, so we need to make our

legal system work better. >> all right, congressman, thank you for your insights. we turn now to the guest you heard the congressman talking about, jeh johnson. he served as homeland security secretary under former president obama. he joins us this morning from new jersey. mr. secretary, your policies are being endorsed here. i don't know if you want to respond, though, to what the congressman said in terms of a stronger message needing to be sent by this administration, going to countries and showing that expelling of migrants is happening. >> well, thanks for having me on, margaret. first, i know that following me is professor robert pape, who will present findings on his research. i've been a big proponent of his research now about the concerns about white nationalism for some time. i urge your viewers to pay close attention to what professor pape has to say.

information -- illegal immigration is a sensitive phenomenon. it reacts sharply to information in the marketplace about perceived changes and enforcement policy on our southern border. this administration, i believe, unfairly is perceived as lax on border enforcement. in fact, we are sending back over 100,000 people a month and have been for the last two years, over 2 million people. the lesson i learned managing this issue is you've got to repeat yourself maybe 25 times before anybody will listen to you. you have to show that we are, in fact, sending people back. >> why isn't that -- >> preferably as fast as -- well, that's a good question. my friendly advice to the current administration, dhs and the white house is, we have to continually stress that we are, in fact, with the machinery of government, about as fast as we probably can, given the current

legal construct and the resources we have, sending people back at well over 100,000. either expulsion or deportation. that's a lot of people. now, there's a larger problem here that, frankly, we did not face when i was in office. we were dealing principally with the northern triangle countries, guatemala, honduras, el salvador and mexico. this problem has become hemispheric. in addition to those countries you have cuba, nicaragua and venezuela, who are not cooperating with us. their countries are literally imploding. there's migration to the north and the south. our border patrol capabilities, our resources are bigger than they were eight, seven years ago when i was in office. but they do struggle to keep up with this -- with this crisis. >> right. >> and from my point of view, we need to stress that we are, in fact, returning people as fast as we can.

>> so, when it comes to moving migrants around the country right now, you're a lawyer. the federal government moves migrants from the border to other parts of this country quite often. what's the difference when a state governor does it, albeit, i know, without warning? >> well, there's a right way and a wrong way to do that, margaret. the wrong way is on 20 minutes' notice to send people by bus or airplane to the edgartown airport or to mass ave in front of the vice president's residence without giving local resources, ngos, local government an opportunity to plan for how they intend to feed and clothe and house migrants. what the governors of florida and texas are doing, frankly, is a political stunt. and treating people like livestock. the right way to move people to the interior, and i think it's something that we should do. 8,000 a day into mcallen and

henry cuellar's district in laredo or el paso i've been saying for some time is not sustainable. so, we do need to move people to the interior, but through a well coordinated effort, in coordination with ngos, katrina rick charities, state and local government and the federal government. there is a right way to do that. it requires coordination and cooperation. >> why isn't that happening, i guess, is the question we keep coming back to? you say it's politicized. "wall street journal" had an op-ed saying, it's hard to imagine a bigger spectacle than the historics over migrants. they slam republicans for staging a political stunt but they also say democrats are trying to deflect away from their own border policy failures. is that a fair assessment, in your view? >> frankly, margaret, politics currently are such that politicians, elected officials find it more advantageous to scream at the other side and

complain about how evil or lax the other side is. it does take political courage to come together and put together legislation on comprehensive immigration reform. it passed the senate in 2013. it failed in the house in 2014. that's simply the only way we're going to deal with this problem, through guest worker programs, through stronger border security, through trying to address the problem at the source. it takes political courage. but right now the politics of this issue are all wrong and i'm afraid nothing's getting done. >> but we have a crisis. so, it requires action. do you see a clear coordinated planning or strategy from the white house that controls customs and border patrol and homeland security and the people on the front lines of this? >> i know dhs is working very hard. they've ramped up the resources to deal with the influx at the

southern border. it's much larger. the ability to move larger volumes of people, it's much larger than it was seven, eight years ago. but there needs to be a more comprehensive federal, state, local executive and legislative branch effort at this. and we can do this if we're willing to cooperate, work together, exercise some political courage, have the governor of texas willing to work with the governors of some northern states, like moving people in a more coordinated, cooperative fashion into the interior of our country. >> secretary johnson, thank you for your analysis this morning. "face the nation" will be right back. stay with us. ark with night sig. fix your photos with magic eraser. and photograph all skin tones accurately with real tone. google pixel 6a. save up to $150 on an unlocked pixel 6a with qualified activation. it takes energy to take on the world.■ so whether you■re breaking a sweat,

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the latest rate, 8.3%. that's six straight months above 8%. >> we now have an inflation that may be much more entrenched and sticky. >> reporter: economist diane swank, an adviser to the federal reserve, worries workers keep losing ground. >> all the gains in employment we've seen, all the acceleration in wages we've seen, we've lost all of that and then some to inflation. >> reporter: blame a tangle of buffeter, including the pandemic recovery, ukraine, and the supply chain muddle, which is why averting a railroad strike was so critical. this doesn't help -- the backlog at southern california ports, the gateway for roughly 40% of american imports. here at the port of los angeles, the director says 28,000 shipping containers need to go out by train. that number should be zero. ghuds, dropping gas prices.

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we turn now to ukraine and recent setbacks for russian president vladimir putin, both diplomatically and on the ground in ukraine. that the blue area is territory retain by ukraine in recent days. and they've made some horrific discoveries there. cbs news foreign correspondent debora patta reports. >> reporter: this is what russian troops left behind when they fled izium in panic, a pine forest, more than 400 wooden crosses marking shall dow grave. and more atrocities to add to a list of war crimes so long, it numbers over 30,000. it's overwhelming for investigators who have been at it for months now. multiple torture chambers across the region dispense the terror that's kept civilian populations under control.

these grim discoveries come after a counteroffensive reclaimed most of the territory seized by russia in the northeast at the start of the war. it began here where russian shol ders fled their bases down here in panic, clearing the way for ukrainian forces to reshape the battlefields of kharkiv. vladimir putin's war is not going according to plan. here's volodymyr zelenskyy braving liberated towns near the front line to pay tribute to his soldiers this past week. where he told us he intends to keep russian troops on the run. >> the main thing, we are coming back and they are on the way. >> reporter: in striking contrast to vladimir putin, desperately needing allies, who's yet to visit his troops on the ground. reduced to this, a video showing the leader of the russian mercenary group recruiting

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