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welcome back to "face the nation." hundreds of russian missiles have rained down on ukrainian territory over the past week. most of them aimed at civilian targets. cbs news senior foreign correspondent charlie d'agata is in npro, ukraine, with more. >> reporter: days after unleashing the heaviest bombardment ukraine has seen since the invasion began, striking a dozen cities across the country, in a coordinated series of rocket and long-range missile attacks. russian president vladimir putin said, there is no need for more
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massive strikes, for now. at a news conference in kazakhstan, he said he had no regrets and russia is doing everything right. the merciless battering of civilians in front line cities like zaporizhzhia tell a different story. residents told us a missile arou2: in the morning. the missile punched a hole right through this apartment block, causing it to collapse on those inside. tearing apart not just homes, but lives. the blast scattered children's clothes among the trees. at one point the heavy machinery clearing the rubble stopped. a drone hovered overhead as rescuers worked by hand. and another body was lifted from beneath the debris. investigator work to put a name to another victim of putin's war. this man lives in the adjacent apartment and escaped serious injury, but he's so
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shell-shocked, he can hardly speak. my very close friends live there on the first floor, he said. i lost friends on the second floor, too. and yet despite russia's onslaught, troops have lost ground to ukrainan forces on the battlefield, where the counteroffensive has advanced south at such a rate the kremlin installed authorities in the city of kherson have urge the residents to evacuate to parts of russia. in his address last week, president zelenskyy switched from ukrainian to russian saying -- as for the citizens of russia who do not want to participate in this criminal war, who surrender to ukrainian captivity, we'll save their lives. we visited some of the dozens of those recently liberated villages. the high school that served as a russian military hq bears the scars of the battle to wrestle it back. down the road we found oksana still reeling.
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what did you think when you first saw ukrainians here? ppines she said, i was just very happy. in tears she described the terror under russian occupation. saying -- we were all suffering. it was so hard and so scary. now, free from russian military rule, for the first time in months. the next day following that huge barrage, president zelenskyy pleaded with leaders of the g7, specifically the united states, for more air defense systems. while there has been a pledge by the white house for more advanced weapons, they can't get here quickly enough. margaret? >> charlie d'agata, thank you. we're joined by ukraine's ambassador to the united states, oksana markarova. madam ambassador, good to have you back. let's pick up where my colleague just left off. last time president zelenskyy was on this program at the end of september, he talked specifically about the delivery of air defense systems, thanking
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the united states, but they still have not been delivered. what is the holdup in the delivery of american weapons? >> thank you for having me. thank you for talking about that. yes, we still need all the weapons re with talking about with air defense being a priority after this horrible strike that we have all seen return not only to select cities but everywhere in ukraine, but especially kyiv and the infrastructure before the winter. unfortunately, this systems is difficult to produce and they're not ready on the shelves, waiting. but we're doing everything possible and asking our partners to do everything possibl to speed up not only the delivery, but also the ordering of the systems. so, hopefully, you heard your president who has been very clear on trying to accelerate the delivery of those. we are counting on more systems to be announced and decision taken to produce because we do need to secure as many places in ukraine as possible, as many children in ukraine as possible
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from russian rockets. >> the pentagon has said it's still about a month before those come. let's talk about what we just heard on friday from russian president vladimir putin. he said that the mobilization drive to increase the number of soldiers will end in the next two weeks. and that massive strikes are n longer needed. what does your government assess he means by this? what are you preparing for? >> well, as we said, you know, 234 days, no limits and no moral restrictions from russian aggressor, so we should be prepared for everything. and it's actually irrelevant at this point what he says because partial mobilization has been a big failure. people in russia do not want to be mobilized. they're not equipped, they're not prepared, they're not motivated yet, a lot of them, but it has been a failure in russia. they are probably not forcing it because they will have the plant
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mobilization in the autumn. we don't know. all we -- all we are focused on, staying the course and defending our country every way and being prepared for anything that can come from the russian federation. we have seen all the war crimes. we have seen all the rocket attacks. we have seen them using iranian drones on civilian residential areas killing families. so, what he says is actually irrelevant because what they do, and everyone sees what they do, this is what we have to pay attention to. >> i want to ask you about billionaire elon musk. he seemed to have reversed his position yesterday, at least publicly in saying that starlink, an internet service that he has made available in ukraine, which has helped your military communicate to the battle, he will pay for it. this is after some back and forth with the pentagon about not paying for it. what's the bottom line?
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can your military depend on this for communication or not? >> i have disagreed with elon musk about some of his views on crimea, and we're happy to discuss with him, but as far as the company, we have started cooperation with starlink. excellent company. before the start of the war, we got starlinks in very quickly. for humanitarian support, it's the only connection we have and it's very important to continue to have it. i'm positive we will find a solution there. >> so it's not resolved yet? >> it's there, it's working, we will need it working for a longer time. we are proud to be one of the fatest growing starlink countries globally. but the payment, who's going to pay? i'm sure we will find the solution there. >> because the "financial times" reported there were outages from the satellite that had a direct impact on the battlefield, particularly in the east of the country. is this payment dispute hurting your military? >> well, look, there is no payment dispute, per se.
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i mean, theredssore and where w need them and how we will need them, but the actual reason for the outages is russian aggression. and the fact that they are bombing our infrastructure. and the disruption there, the connectivity of all the cellular operators and trying to interfere also with others. we're trying to resolve it in many possible ways. and starlink has been an instrumental part of the solution. >> france's president drew a lot of scrutiny this week because he said if russia carries out a nuclear attack on your country, his country would not respond with nuclear weapons. what exactly is the level of risk right now from the nuclear threat, whether it's from tactical weapons on the battlefield or what's happening at your nuclear power plant? >> we cannot rule out anything. as you said, you know, the nuclear threat is already there
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because russians illegally control one of the largest nuclear plants in europe. and the situation there deteriorates, as it's not returned to ukraine because it's the personnel there is not in the quantity that needs to be there. they are threatened by we don't know exactly what happens to them. and the station has to be returned to ukraine in order to decrease the risk. so, this is a big risk. and we need russia to get out. with regard to the use of nuclear weapons, i think, again, its issue is much bigger than ukraine. we in ukraine will resist and we will not give up regardless of what russian federation uses against us. we have, i think, proven it, from rockets to atrocities to anything that they try to do in ukraine, it doesn't break our will. so, there is no point for russian federation to use anything else because it will not stop us in defending our homes.
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with regard to the global response, it has to be very harsh, even for the talks of russian federation and putin about using the nuclear weapons, because this is a clear red line. this is on -- you know, on what the whole security infrastructure of europe and global is built -- >> so when the french president says something like that, does itli? dowe i jus h 1994 ukraine became the ould b o country that voluntarily gave up the third largest nuclear arsenal and received assurances of our safety because we gave up our nuclear weapons. and if a nuclear weapon will be used by nuclear power, an aggressor against non-nuclear country like ukraine, then the whole nuclear deterrence system is going to be under risk.
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i think we all together cannot allow russian federation to use it. >> ambassador, thank you very much for your time. always good to have you with us. we'll be back in a moment. what are your guests smelling? try febreze fade defy plug. it has built-in technology to digitally control how much scent is released to smell first day fresh for 50 days. ♪la la la la la♪ at ameriprise financial, our advice is personalized. based on your goals, whatever they may be. all that planning has paid off. looks like you can make this work. we can make this work. and the feeling of confidence that comes from our advice? i can make this work. that seems to be universal. i can make this work. i can make this work. no wonder more than 9 out of 10 clients are likely to recommend us. because advice worth listening to is advice worth talking about. ameriprise financial. i'm steve, i lost 138 pounds in nine months on golo is adand taking release.about. since taking release, my sleep is way better. my inflammation has gone way down.
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♪i feel better again♪ ♪oh i feel better now♪ turn to our political panel, rachael bade is here from politico and karoun demirjian, the authors of "unchecked," the botched impeachments of donald trump. good morning to you ladies. >> good morning. >> this is a pretty in-depth autopsy as you can see by the size here of what you lay out as strategic missteps, by democrats themselves in their attempt to hold the former president accountable. the impeachment senate didn't convict. it feels like it's full of these moments where history could have gone in a different direction. you lay that all out here. why do you think it's important to do that? >> yes. there's this prevailingwisdom sort of two tleng thisook in our reportin their o i trump's
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acquittal, both were inevitable. we find pivotal moments where things could have gone the other way. moderate republicans behind the scenes. freaking out about trump's behavior and came so close to voting to impeach or convict, but for certain things that democrats had done that alienated them or times when democrats put pressure on their own investigators not to do a full investigation, to try to make the strongest case possible to the public that trump was dangerous. so, we challenge that. the second sort of preconceived notion we challenge is, you know, there's this sort of sentiment out there that republicans just sort of turned a blind eye to everything trump did. that's why he got away with everything while democrats were doing the best he can to make the strongest case publicly. again, we find a lot of examples where democrats were putting their political concerns over strategic fact-finding to just try to lay out the case and privately they have told us that they sort of -- they- did half- and they didn't make the
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strongest case possible and some of them have regrets. >> ckaroun, in some ways the january 6th committee is a continuation of this case. do you think it addressed some of thesemy takes you laid out? >> i think the work the january 6th committee has done in pulling in republican witnesses, in making sure they fight the subpoenas all the way through the court is by itself a recognition they pulled some punches when they went after trump in the first two impeachment trials. we're seeing corrective action in the procedures in which they've gone forward with the january 6th investigation, which is going over a lot of similar ground, at least the second impeachment trial did. that's an acknowledgment, we had the opportunity to take these steps almost two years ago and we chose not to take them. i think in this book, we question, we look at those intraparty fights. but for a person's sense of
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confidence versus their fear of being able to actually use the congressional constitutional heft of the power that they had to check a president, things may have been able to go a different way. so, yes, it's clearly a case where there were opportunities for them to go after witnesses, to run down subpoenas they didn't take in the past they are trying to correct in the present, but trump's not in office anymore. >> from the very top, from speaker pelosi. >> that's right. that's right. we have reporting in the book that on january 6th pelosi herself shut down an effort by some of her members to try to impeach trump that very night. there was -- mccarthy was furious. republicans were just as upset as democrats that night. what would have happened if they had just done that, put it on the floor? we'll never know, of course. that's a great question. but there was -- it was not just pelosi, right? it was chuck schumer and his staff who we learned through our reporting would put sort of pressure on jamie raskin's impeachment team to do a quick
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trial to not summon and call and test in court their subpoenas, to go after people like mike pence's aides, which now the january 6th committee is doing that, but back then they just wanted the investigation to move quickly, the trial to be over with, to sort of save biden's presidency from this messy business of feim treremind me o what we just heard this past week from the committee with this video the public had never seen before. just for our viewers, this is where congressional leaders had been evacuated to a safe place out in virginia during the attack. and you'll hear speaker pelosi and the senate majority leader talking to the attorney general at the time, acting one, jeffrey rosen, and you'll see that republicans are standing there alongside the democrats at one point. >> they're breaking the law in many different ways. and, quite frankly, much of it at the instigation of the
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president of the united states. and now if he could at least somewhat -- >> why don't you get the president to tell them to leave the capitol, mr. attorney general, and your law enforcement responsibility. a public statement they should all leave. >> this cannot be just we're waiting for so and so. we need them there now, whoever you got. how soon in the future can you have the place evacuated? cleaned out? >> i don't want to speak for the leadership that is responsible for the execution of the operation. so i'm not going to say that because they're on the ground -- >> well, just pretend -- just pretend for a moment that this was the pentagon or the white house or some other entity that was under siege. let me say, you can get people there as you make the plan. >> ultimately, we hear later from the vice president mike pence speaking to speaker
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pelosi, authorizes the movement to eventually happen. karoun, you see republican leaders there gathered with democrats in this moment. how is it that there was no quick action? >> well, as our reporting shows in a piece that actually -- an excerpt that ran in "the atlantic" this morning, the republicans were across the hall in this moment and mindset basically saying, we're done with the white house. we have to work together here to make this happen. you had people working the phones on both sides of the aisle. mcconnell was doing ng thedecrats, trying to g people tords the cat still did take hours for that help to arrive. it shows you this was a moment where everybody was working together to achieve the same ends, which is striking in itself given how quickly that coalition splintered shortly thereafter. rachael referenced a moment ago, our reporting showed this moment january 6th, after they left
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that terrible crisis, they're back on the floor, in the capitol, trying to conclude the electoral college results. and rank and file democrats approached the leaders with an g t'osw. apitalimize on theachm anger, capitalize on this galvanized sense that we're all in this together and the party lines don't matter. and pelosi decides want to go for it in that moment. she talks in that video about being ready to throw a physical punch at president trump, but she pulled the constitutional punch they could have potentially leveled in that moment on that day. >> yeah, i think the most striking thing about fort mcnair and what was happening, it was really the first time in trump's four years of trump's presidency that you saw congressional leaders on both sides of the aisle sort of come together to try to bring trump to heal. mcconnell, before he went to the democrats' room, and by the way, we have this bizarre color in the book for some reason democrats and republicans were escorted to different rooms at
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fort mcnair, despite the emergency. they're each trying to get through to the pentagon, why is the national guard not moving. mcconnell at one point, his staff is trying to get him on the phone with top defense leaders. they're put on hold. republicans were furious. why are -- why is he put on hold? you know, he crosses the room. again, he goes and finds pelosi and schumer and says, we have to work together. they -- together they were not able to get answers from the pentagon about why things were taking so fast. so, they all agree that the only person they can really turn to right now is not trump, it's mike pence. so, they call him. that's where we have this sort of clear the capitol order. it's sort of the backstory of how pence got to that moment. it's because hill leaders together were pleading with him to do something. >> and it's a powerful read. it's a powerful moment. ultimately, it raises even more questions. >> yeah. >> about the path they're on. ladies, congratulations on the book. we'll leave it there and be right back.
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we want to take a closer look now at the georgia senate race, one of those key races that could decide which party controls the senate. nikole killion reports from athens. >> reporter: saturdays in the south are meant for college football. but it was friday's debate featuring university of georgia legend herschel walker that was the talk of the tailgate. > it kind of reaffirmed what i thought that herschel walker is not fit for office. >> reporter: in what way? >> doesn't know policy. has clearly fabricated parts of his life. >> herschel walker has a good heart, you know. we believe in, you know, a lot of things. >> reporter: in what might have been their only face-to-face debate friday night, the gop challenger and democratic incumbent senator raphael warnock made their cases to georgia voters. >> this race is about who is ready to represent georgia. >> he's for joe biden. i'm for georgia.
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>> reporter: he allegedly paid for a woman's abortion, walker issued another denial. >> my opponent has a problem with the truth. >> reporter: but he appeared to soften his stance, backing off a total ban. >> that's the bill of the people who governor kent. and i said that has exceptions in it. >> reporter: walker repeatedly tied warnock to president biden. >> can he tell me why he voted with biden 96% of the time if he was standing with georgia? >> reporter: when asked about heir respective standard bearers in 2021, walker eagerly endorsed former president trump but warnock was noncommittal? >> would you support president biden in 2024? >> i have not thought a minute thinking about what politician should run in 2024. >> reporter: but it was this exchange that went viral as they clashed over law enforcement and walker's claim of being a police officer. >> i've never pretended to be a police officer.
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and -- and i've never -- i've never threatened a shootout with the police. >> i am many police officers. >> you have a prop. >> yes. >> that is not allowed, sir. >> reporter: a walker aide tells cbs news that was an honorary badge from a local department, but in a sign of just how critical the stakes are here, former president obama is set to campaign in georgia later this month. one of many stops he'll make before the midterms. no word if president biden or former president trump will also come down here. margaret? >> we will be watching. thank you. we'll be right back.
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that's it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan. on connected ttv.
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♪ this is the "cbs overnight news." police in stockton, california, say they are certain they have the serial killer authorities have been looking for, providing relief to a community that's felt terrorized. the arrest was made this weekend. the suspect, 43-year-old wesley brownlee. he's expected to be arraigned on tuesday. cbs' danya bac leads us off from los angeles. >> reporter: tips from the community and good old-fashioned police work led to the suspected killer, a stockton residence.

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