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join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ washington. and this week on "face the nation" -- five days after the 2022 election, control of the house of representatives remains undecided while democrats keep their senate majority. how will this midterm muddle change life for americans? democrats braced for defeat last tuesday but they breathed a sigh of relief after their better than expected showing. >> a victory and a vindication for democrats, our agenda and for the america and for the american people. >> i'm not surprised by the turnout. i'm incredibly pleased. >> here's how republican senate campaign chief described the outcome. >> here's what happened to us, election day our voters didn't show up. >> what do the results mean for
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washington and the rest of the country for the next few years? we'll hear from a senior adviser to president biden and key members in congress from both parties. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we begin this morning with a cbs news projection. democrats will keep their thin senate majority for two more years after senator catherine cortez masto's manarrow win ove adam laxalt last night. it was following mark kelly's projected win over blake masters out in arizona. but we are still awaiting results in key house races on the west coast that will
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determine the shape of congress. cbs news estimates republicans maintain an edge in clinchng control of the house of representatives but democrats still have a shot at the majority. president biden called it perilously close. at this hour, cbs estimates the gop will win at least 214 seats and democrats, 210. but a majority requires 218 seats, and neither party will reach that numbe a handful of closely contested districts finish counting. cbs news senior national correspondent mark strassmann has more from atlanta. >> reporter: for days to come, many states will still tally ballots. but the biggest midterm winner is already clear -- democracy. it held without mobs in the streets, without violence, despite all the election denialism o there. >> are you ready to take this state back? >> reporter: arizona's
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gubernatorial race between republican kari lake and democrat katie hobbs could still go either way. lake, a trump protege accuses election officials of slow-rolling returns. reality check -- no state counts all ballots by midnight election day. >> we're not doing anything wrong at all. and that someone from here would suggest we are doing something wrong, that's frustrating. >> reporter: on the same ballot in arizona, republican senate candidate blake masters has yet to concede. he tweeted, voters decide, not the media. let's count the votes. and although nearly 60% of gop election deniers are projected to win their races this year, none were top election officials in critical battleground states. democratic candidates nationwide defied expectations, despite republicans beating them up on inflation and a relentless gop drive to yoke them to an
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unpopular president. but another worry drove many ht have autonomy over one's body. >> reporter: and take john fetterman's narrow win as pennsylvania's next senator, flipping a key swing state seat to democrats. >> i never expected that we were going to turn these red counties blue. >> reporter: in rejecting republican mehmet oz, pennsylvania voters ranked abortion as their number one issue. and oz had the trump seal of approval. among disappointed republicans, trump's impact on races has led to a finger-pointing election postmortem, complaints about unelectable candidates with extreme positions. >> if fealty to donald trump is the primary criteria for selecting candidates, we're probably not going to do really well. >> reporter: focus on the senate now shifts to georgia's runoff next month. democrat raphael warnock and republican herschel walker
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squaring off december 6th. democrats want a win to create leverage for senate leaders. >> margaret? >> mark strassmann, thank you. we turn to cbs news elections and surveys director anthony salvanto for more on the trends that influence the midterm election results. anthony, i know you haven't slept. >> nope. >> at all. and you're still tabulating here. but big picture, democrats defied history. how did they do it? >> well, this was a turnout story, first and foremost in my mind, and it was sort of as we expected. the people -- our viewers may remember a couple of weeks ago when we were talking about the effect that turnout could have and republicans were on path to a narrow majority but the house could become, even if younger people especially turned out in force. and what happened, they did. their numbers started approaching the 2018 record levels. there was a particular group, subset, we call it the young and restless, that we were watching.
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not only did they turn out, but they even shifted a little bit more democratic, almost two-thirds voting for democrats. so, that certainly helped the democrats in a lot of states, a lot of districts. but the other thing it did was it offset in a relative way the impact of the maga republicans. we call them the trump true believers. they certainly turned out and had impact, but not as much in that relative way, again, because the democrats and the younger people had turned out. >> at this hour, republicans still hold an edge in gaining control of the house. it's a slimmer majority if they get it. what broke in their favor? >> well, let me start with another group that you and i talked about throughout this campaign, and that was the pressured parents. these were folks who said that the covid pandemic had been stressful, stressful on their kids, also their finances were under stress. well, they actually voted narrowly republican by three
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points, really reflective of the way the country overall did. and the other part of that, that i should mention, are the restoring roe voters. these were women for whom abortion and abortion rights were priority in their voting. >> and that momentum had slowed. >> that momentum did slow during the campaign, and then it seemed to come back because we saw them move in the end when we did our election day polling, move even more for the democrats. going from 8 in 10 to 9 in 10 voting for democrats, which suggest the democrats' messaging there in the closing definitely helped the democrats as well. >> what do we watch for next? >> there's a handful of congressional districts that are going to be this sort of the political universe. we're all going to watch out west, in the central valley of california, southern california especially. we'll probably have to go district by district until somebody gets to 218. going to be a couple of days. maybe a couple of weeks. this is typical. these places, i should say,
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often count their ballots over days and weeks, but that's what we're watching. >> anthony salvanto, get your coffee going. >> indeed. >> thank you. we go now to arkansas republican senator tom cotton, who was a regular on the 2022 he's outith nled oosting. "only the strong" and he joins us this morning from mclane, virginia. good morning to you, senator. on this veterans day weekend, i want to thank you for your past military service. >> well, thank you, margaret. that's kind of you. thanks to all our veterans for their service in all of our nation's wars. >> let me get to the story of the moment. democrats faced historic headwinds. eight out of ten americans felt it was out of control. republicans had issues like economy and crime really break in their favor. president biden has a low approval rating. how did republicans end up with this complete disappointment?
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>> well, margaret, i wouldn't say it was a complete disappointment. on the one hand, we had strong republican leaders running on positive records of accomplishments who won very big victories. if you look at governors like ron desantis in florida, mike dewine in ohio, kim reynolds in iowa, greg abbott in texas. we had senators with same victories like marco rubio and tim scott, ron johnson in wisconsin. on the other hand, obviously, we hoped we would have won more seats. i think the lessons in our victories can be applied to some places where we came up a little bit short. we need to focus on serious substantive accomplishments and issues like crime, like our wide-open border, like addressing runaway inflation. even in places we came up short like lee zeldin's race for governor in new york, he performed very well, and he probably helped save the house of representatives by bringing four new republican congressmen-elect across the finish line in new york.
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i think we have lessons in places we had victories that we can put in place where we had losses. >> karl rove blamed candidate quality and specifically put the blame on former president trump. he said mr. trump turned what should have been a referendum on mr. biden's terrible record into a choice between himself and the current president. as in 2020, lots of voters chose mr. biden. should mr. trump remain the leader of the republican party? >> well, margaret, when any party is out of power, as republicans are now, we don't have a single leader. the former president is obviously a very popular with many of our voters, but we also have important other leaders as well. like some of those victors i just mentioned earlier, like brian kemp in georgia, ron desantis in florida. last year you had glenn youngkin have a great victory in a blueish democrat state like virginia. i hope to remain a leader in the united states senate as well, in addition to some o the people i just mentioned reelected like
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tim scott. when you're in opposition, you don't have a single leader. that won't be the case until we're through the '24 nominating season and we have a new nominee. >> you said you're not going to run for president in 2024. the former president says he intends to announce he's running on tuesday. should he be the automatic nominee or should he face a primary? >> well, margaret, since i opted against being a candidate in 2024, i don't bplan to be a pundit or strategist -- >> you just threw out a whole bunch of names that might be running for president, no are. are you endorsing that? >> and i know almost all of them personally. and i respect their accomplishments, not just their big victories on tuesday or last year in glenn's case, but also their accomplishments in office. but, you know, i know everyone already wants to focus on 2024. i just want to remind everybody that we're still in the middle of the 2022 midterm because we're in overtime in georgia. and the most important thing we
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can do is elect herschel walker to make sure that we can keep the pressure on democrats in the senate, not to veer far to the left as they have over the last two years. that's where i think everyone should remain focused for the next three weeks. >> should leadership elections in the senate be delayed until december, and should mitch mcconnell remain as republican leader in the senate? >> well, i don't see why we would delay the election since all five or six of our leadership elections are uncontested. you know, the great wrestling champion rick flair used to say, to be the man, you got to beat the man. and so far, no one's had the nerve to step forward and challenge senator mcconnell. so, i support senator mcconnell. i support the other slate of candidates for our leadership elections. i think it's better we move forward with these elections so we can focus, again, on the georgia runoff. >> all right. i want to ask you as well about what will be a consequential meeting tomorrow between
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president biden and president xi jinping of china. their first face-to-face of the biden presidency. president biden says he wants to talk through red lines of critical interest. can the u.s. avoid conflict with china at this point? >> we want to avoid conflict with china, most certainly in the military stance. i don't think we can avoid conflict and tension in terms of diplomatic and economic and political competition. i would urge the president to be very firm in drawing those red lines. we don't want to see a repeat of what happened last summer in russia when vladimir putin walked away from their summit in europe, attempted to go for the jugular in ukraine, especially a month later after the collapse of afghanistan. or a replay i writing in my new book of the disastrous vienna summit between john kennedy and nikita khrushchev. i hope the president is very clear in drawing red lines, for
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instance, saying that the recent rule against china using american semiconductor technology is only the first step. i hope he's very clear about taiwan. that we'll continue to arm taiwan so it can defend itself. and if china goes for the jugular in taiwan, we will come to their aid. that's the simplest way to avoid military conflict, is to be clear and firm up front. >> but what would you recommend in terms of china not going for the jugular, but a slow strangulation to take over taiwan, which i know you know is one of the scenarios national security officials are concerned about? >> well, the simplest thing we can do for taiwan is what we should have started doing for ukraine before russia invaded ukrine is provide them with the weaponry they need to stop an invasion. it's urgent that we do so now because, unlike ukraine, taiwan is an island, which means china could blockade it and we might not be able to resupply them
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once china starts military conflict. it's urgent we sell to taiwan, anti-ship, anti-aircraft missiles they need to fend off a potential attack from communist china. >> as you know, our economies are so interlinked. iphones are made in china. we learned in during the pandemic how dependent we are in the supply chain. you're arguing to separate the two economies but hank paulson of the bush administration has said that will end up with a less stable world with really dangerous economic forces here. how do you possibly do that? well, margaret, as i write in "only the strong" it was a bad mistake by both leaders in party to go 30 years to allow china to get so entangled in the united states so we become so economically dependent. whether high-tech electronic equipment or low-tech, basic
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pharmaceutical ingredients or medical equipment. what i say in "only the strong" is that we should try to decouple in a strategic sense so we don't harm our own people, but we're no longer dependent on those critical sectors we depend on to keep ours safe, health and and prosperous. it's one thing if americans buy, you know, say children's toys or plastic christmas trees from china. it's another thing if china has the market cornered on things like basic pharmaceutical ingredients or the rare earth elements that are so vital to all modern electronics. we need to do it in a smart way but we have to be aggressive and quick about it. >> we'll watch to see if there's congressional action on any of that. senator, thank you for your time. i'm joined in studio by maryland democratic congressman jamie raskin, who serves on the select committee investigating the january 6th attack on the u.s. capitol. welcome. democrats still have a shot, although the republicans have the edge in taking the house. what do americans need to be
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prepared for what the next two years looks like? >> first of all, don't count us out the way we were counted out from the very beginning in this election. they were taking the republicans were going to pick up 40, 50, 60 seats. but the party of democracy and freedom and progress for the people held. so, we've had a very impressive election. and we're going to continue to fight for social progress and we're going to fight for the political right to the people, which means against gerrymandering, against voter suppression tactics, against manipulative use of the filibuster and the electoral college to thwart the will of the majority. we're going to continue to fight for a strong democracy program. >> yeah. it's going to be hard to legislate, though, any way we look at it. i want to ask you about what you're working on with the january 6th committee. former president trump basically is going to defy the subpoena you issued. he's planning to announce he's running for the presidency on tuesday. is the prime achievement of the
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january 6th committee simply going to be this written report? you're not appearing to stop him from running. >> well, in a democracy, the people have the right to the truth. and what we withstood was a systematic assault on democratic institutions in an attempt to overthrow a presidential election. so, we have set forth the truth in a series of hearings and we're going to set forth the truth in our final report, along with a set of legislative recommendations about what we need to do to fortify american democracy against coups, insurrections, electoral sabotage and political violence with domestic violent extremist groups involved. we're going to put all of that out there. look, when i was over in the senate with the impeachment team, i told the republicans there that this was our opportunity to deal with the problem of donald trump, who had committed high crimes and
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misdemeanors against the people of the united states. they needed to act on behalf of the country and the constitution. but if they didn't, he would become their problem. and at this point, donald trump is the problem of the republican party. and he may destroy their party. >> can you get an electoral count act passed in this lame duck session? >> i think we can. that's the bare minimum of what we need to do. it's necessary. it's not remotely sufficient to the task because what we saw in 2021 and earlier in 2020 was a systematic assault on the right to vote in an attempt to steal a presidential election by donald trump. an attempt to overthrow the constitutional order. so, i think we can reform the electoral count act passing the legislation that zoe lofgren and liz cheney have proposed. but that's just one small part of what needs to be done -- needs to be done to protect american constitutional democracy. >> election deniers didn't prevail in the key
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battlegrounds, but cbs tallied it, and at least 155 house republicans in the new congress have raised unfounded doubts about the validity or integrity of the 2020 election. these are going to be your colleagues that you will be working with. what change is that going to effect in the work you do? >> that's a statement about the political contamination of the gop by donald trump. and, again, kevin mccarthy and other leaders within the republican party are now required to make a decision about whether they're going to try to rid themselves of donald trump and his toxic influence on the party -- >> but these 155 house republicans are his constituency. kevin mccarthy, if he wants to be leader, needs to be consider -- >> right. it's a problem for kevin mccarthy now because there are certain pro-trumpist within his house caucus who refuse to accept that he's really with trump and they want to get rid
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of mccarthy. they have names early in the alphabet, biggs, and they might just vote for trump when they take the roll call for speaker. we know the hard right freedom ca caucus people are in search of another candidate. one potential candidate is donald trump himself. the speaker of the house does not have to be a member of the house and they're talking about putting trump right there. >> that's not a real option, though. >> well, they talk about it repeatedly. and if trump decided he wanted to do it, it would pose a profound problem for their party because they refuse to do the right thing early on. i mean, today it seems like the spell has been broken. it's begun to dissolve. we don't have republicans around the country claiming that they really won when it's been certified that they lost their elections. yet, there's still this big lie dogma, as you say, has been embraced by 150 members within their caucus. so, that is going to create
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profound cognitive and political dissidence within the gop. liz cheney and adam kinzinger are going to force that question, they're going to force the republicans to choose. >> would you urge president biden and the white house to comply with all these house republican investigations that have been promised? >> well, the -- obviously, everybody has to comply with the law, such as the law is. you know, we would hope that they would feel chastened by the voters of america who dealt them an historic repudiation. they were talking about picking up 40, 50 or 60 seats. the democrats may, indeed, win the house like yesterday we won the senate. so, it is a repudiation of that kind of right wing big lie election-denying, character assassination politics that donald trump brought right to the heart of the republican party. >> congressman, thank you for being here. joining us today. we'll be right back in a moment. .
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