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♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we also spoke with former vice president pence about the former president's entrance into the '24 presidential campaign and the prospects for his own run. >> i look forward to being involved in the process in some way. whether we are in the debate as a candidate or in the debate as simply as an active republican. i look forward to getting behind the republican cause and supporting candidates around the country as well as our nominee to get this country turned back to the policies that will make us strong and prosperous again. >> that sounds like you prefer he he's not the nominee, but you didn't say no. >> well, i -- i just think there
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will be better choices. i think now calls for a different time. i think now -- i think the american people want to see us move forward. >> you talk about moving forward. the idea of relitigating the 2020 election continues to circulate, as you know that, amongst members of your party. do you think continuing to push these claims, as the former president does, is a direct threat? >> the 2020 election was not stolen. we have a process in this country where states conduct elections. questioning of irregularities of fraud are then adjudicated in the courts. the states then certify electoral votes. as we did on january 6th. but i do think there's been far too much talk, questioning the integrity of our elections. >> according to a cbs tally, there are going to be 156 members of congress that will be
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sworn in in january who continue to raise questions about the validity of the 2020 election. that's more than back in 2020. isn't that a risk? doesn't the party need to stop that? >> there's a first amendment in this country that people can hold the opinions that they hold, even if i disagree with them. but i have every confidence that the new republican leadership in the congress, the new republican majority when nancy pelosi handle the gavel to kevin mccarthy, is going to draw the lessons from the midterm campaign, which for me give evidence of the fact that -- that the american people want the republican party, and frankly, all of our leaders, to be focused on the future. >> did it surprise you, then, that republicans didn't end up with a larger margin? >> i was surprised. i was disappointed at the outcome of the election. as you look around, what happened on election day, candidates that were focused on
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the future, candidates focused on the issues the american people are focused on, did quite well. >> you're very proud of the supreme court justices put on the court who just recently struck down roe versus wade. do you think the decision on abortion access should stay in the states or should there be a national law banning it? >> from very early on in my public career, i was determined to be a champion for life. i just always purposed to advance the sanctity of life, and i always believed roe v. wade would be sent to the ash heap of history. it's are interesting that ruth bader ginsburg even said -- was one of the great supreme court justices. >> well, she questioned the legal basis. >> she questioned the legal basis of it, and she was right. but from my perspective -- >> you're talking about the moral imperative, does that trump states' rights?
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>> well, the dobbs decision really gave the country a new beginning for life. and it did return the question of abortion to the states and the american people. many alarmists on the american left in the beginning spoke about it banning abortion and taking away their right. actually, i think most americans figured out pretty quickly that, in fact, this question that bears so deeply on the life of the nation has simply been returned to the people. >> so no national -- >> and their representatives? for my part, i say i will always strengthen protections for the unborn. i think it's most likely it will be resolved at the state level. the 15-week legislation in congress, had i been a member of congress, i would have supported. >> is that too liberal for you because it would allow access up to 15 weeks of pregnancy? that's where a majority of abortions are performed. >> i would have supported it. >> the rubio/graham bill also
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has exceptions for life of the mother after 15 weeks. >> i supported those exceptions during my public career. i do believe it's more likely this is going to be resolved at the state level. it may take as long to restore the sanctity of life to thor is of american law in all 50 states as it did to overturn roe versus wade. people that know me and my family know as long as we live we'll continue to be about the business of life in this country and doing our part to support the sanctity of life. >> i was interested to read that you and your wife, karen, underwent ivf therapy, which is a lot to go through. and there are people who are concerned that if you start with abortion access restrictions, that it will also lead to restrictions on ivf treatment. if you believe life begins at conception, you can make that argument. should it be protected as a right?
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>> oh, i -- karen and i struggled for more than five years with unexplained infertility. in fact, i'll never forget the day that i called home, driving off to a work appointment, and karen answered the phone and said, happy father's day. and our son would come along, then a daughter, then another daughter, all within three years. we were busy but joyful. in the midst of all of that, we also received word that we had -- we had made the list for an adoption for a young woman with an unexpected pregnancy. but we wanted to find out if the second family on the list was clinically infertile. when we did, we stepped aside, not wanting to prevent them from having the joy of a little one in their home. but i fully support fertility treatments and i think they deserve the protection of the law. >> what about same-sex marriage, a number of republicans are
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getting on board, federal protections for it. do you believe that you need to consider that? when you talk about compassion? >> well, as a bible-believing christian, i'll always hold the view that marriage is between one man and one woman. i believe it was ordained by god. that will always be my values. but the supreme court of the united states has ruled on this. and -- >> so you don't think a federal law is needed as a number of republicans -- >> we can disagree with supreme court decisions but we can't disobey them. i actually think it's just as important, as we go forward as a nation, that we make it clear that we don't believe in discrimination against anyone because of who they are, who they love or what they believe. but at the same time, i think we need to make sure that we protect the religious freedom of every american that's enshrined
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in the constitution p the ability to live, to work, to worship in a manner that dictates to your conscious. >> our full interview can be seen on our website at facethenation.com and on our youtube page. we'll be right back. a. spreading throughout your home. help stop the spread with microban24. it keeps killing 99.99% of bacteria for up to 24 hours. be confident in your clean. microban24. hi, i'm jason and i've lost 202 pounds on golo. when you have to get wheeled through the airport be confident in your clean. because you're too heavy to make it and you have extreme pain, you have to make a change. golo enabled me to make that change. golo is real and it changes your life.
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twitter actually do? >> nothing. i mean, he's been posting -- people have been posting his truths, i think that's what it's called, on twitter already and it gets out anyway. he's got these contractual obligations to this company, that is not doing great. and i think he can't resist and will go full twitter at some point. and he's the former president so it doesn't hit quite as hard. i think the juice is a little bit out of his power on that platform. we'll see. >> he's also, scott, a presidential candidate as we learned a few days ago. he was kicked off facebook, instagram, youtube after january 6th. do you think this opens the flood gates or is this a gimmick by elon musk for pr? >> i think it's mostly the latter. i think if elon's out of the news for more than 48 hours, he'll decide to kick him off again. he said that people had spoken. i found this poll -- elon musk's
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polls on twitter are more for support than illumination. he ran a poll if he should sell tesla stock. he had already sold them. the gru has spoken. these twitter -- >> russian intelligence, you mean? >> 100%. twitter has become a playground for bad actors and fake bots. this poll is meaningless, this decision is meaningless. >> you predicted earlier that twitter could collapse. we've seen thousands of employees either get fired or walk off the job. do you stand by that? >> well, twitter will survive. even if it doesn't, let's keep in mind, it's not a national treasure. we would all be just fine if twitter went away. i think when you see this wholesale firing and the way in which he's gone about firing that creates this resentment, i easily see the site going down. i think we should do a head of lettuce for when the site goes down. what we're not talking about is the knock-on effects at tesla.
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when you buy a tesla, you're buying a pair of air jordans. you're associating with an individual. nobody more than trump and putin has eroded brand he can quit than elon musk. then you go to spacex, where everyone who works for a government, a government contractor, has a responsibility fill out. and i think he's antagonized enough officials that we'll see more scrutiny on spacex contracts. >> there was already talk for national security purposes to review that because of foreign ownership. for users at home, what does this actually mean? what should we do to protect ourselves? >> twitter used to go down all the time with fail whale. that's going to continue. you can't archive very easily. if you sign off and you have two-factor authentication, good luck getting on, you'll see around the edges. the problem if he pushes out big changes, you'll see problems. if he starts doing lots of things, you'll see problems.
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if one coder makes a mistake, you could see problems. what everybody is going to do, and it's hard for us media and politicians to understand, it's not very big anywhere else. it's a very small service compared to the facebooks, the instagrams and tiktoks of the world. so, i think it's not going to matter to most people. it's going to matter to the chattering class who enjoys dunking on each other throughout the day, essentially. >> it has become in some ways a news wire almost. >> yes. >> for government announcements, things like that. >> yes. >> scott, i also want to ask you about this stunning fall we saw this week of the founder of ftx, this cryptocurrency exchange. 30-year-old billionaire sam bankman-fried top democratic donor, known this this town. justice department, ftc are all investigating. what exactly happened here? >> well, on a very broad level we don't -- as a species, he can can't help but to worship people. in the u.s. we decided to
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worship tech billionaires and they don't fall under the same scrutiny, including a 30-year-old m.i.t. grad who is the next jesus who doesn't need a board of regulators or scrutiny. as a result in 24 hours you have $34 billion in capital and that's literally take a medium size city and everyone on that city on tuesday has $10,000 and the next day they have zero. so, this will bring unwarranted scrutiny. it's more spectacle than significant because the entire crypto market now is $800 billion and amazon has shed over $1 trillion. when the whole ftx debacle was unwinding, the markets were actually up. it makes for interesting news. unlike the great financial recession where we saw huge damage to the economy and no one go to jail, i think this is going to be the opposite. i don't think it will have a very big impact on the economy but i think you'll see somer. walks here. >> the treasury secretary was asked by our nancy cordes about this and she said the absence of
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appropriate supervision and regulation of digital assets contributed to the collapse. that's essentially saying we're asleep at the wheel, the u.s. government. >> this is early, and they haven't done much regulation. they were just starting to come up with ideas between the s.e.c. alhis stuff. of how to regul bankman-frd lotf peo were. he was cal f regulati, if you recall, which is somewhat ironic. there hadn't -- they hadn't figured out how to deal with this very new and sort of explosive new financial instrument. i think that's more the problem, is washington moves at a glacieral pace. they were moving faster than other areas. ultimately this is going to be some sort of fraud case. i agree with scott, someone's ging to jail. >> scott, there are also layoffs, not just at twitter but we saw some at facebook, we saw job cuts at amazon. you've called this a patagonia vest recession. what does that mean, exactly?
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>> well, most recessions were either labeled white or blue collar, meaning they typically impact one cohort or the other, executives white color or blue class, the working class. this is patagonia vest meaning we'll see more people laid off in the growthy sort of our economy, the gift that keeps on giving for 13 years. again, margaret, i think this is more noise than news because 99.99% of the people on the planet would pray to be recently laid off person from meta or google. if you've been recently laid off from one of these firms, that means you probably went to an elite school, you live in a city where the growth prospects or the economy is growing like crazy, and you are -- your biggest problem is not going to be what to do but what not to do. >> what if you're an h1b visa recipient and you're sent back home. >> fair point. >> you saw where elon puts another performative photo of
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them doing coding. i'm not sure what they were doing. but there were people there clearly from other countries. so, they are stuck there. they are kind of -- they can't leave. i think that's one of the issues you'll have for all these people is where do they go? a lot of companies are taking care of it. facebook was one of them, or meta was doing that. scott is 100% right. these are peo t a patagonia mormp vest and doing just fine. >> never. >> yes, you do, i've seen it. >> next time you have to wear it, scott. good to see you, scott joining us from london and kara, good to have you in studio. we'll be back with the mayor-elect of los angeles, karen bass.
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for you. >> exactly. >> and i know you campaigned hard -- you campaigned hard on the issue of crime and homelessness. i want to get right into that. homicide's up 14% from two years ago. robbery is up almost 16% in l.a. over that same time. do you plan to keep the current police chief? >> yes. there's no desire on my part to remove the current police chief. you know, we have a crisis in our city with homelessness as well. 40,000 people are asleep in tents all throughout our city. and four or five of them pass away every morning. so, we have multiple crises right now. so, it's my intent on day one to address that issue. and it's my understanding that the chief of police's contract is up at the end of next year. >> so, you could revisit it at that time, in other words. >> right. revisit that along with many other general managers as well. >> yeah.
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when i ask about your approach to policing, i'm mindful that you're in a pretty unique position because you worked on this in congress in putting forward the george floyd policing act. in your public safety plan for l.a., you talk about hiring more officers. and i know in the past you've said that defund the police was one of the worst slogans ever. how do you bring all that to changing policing in l.a.? what specifically do you do that's different? what'sostmpornt f think ce , iosel or and spe ahing areitic. in terms of hiring police officers, we've had several hundred police officers retire or move on for other reasons. what i am proposing is that we replace the ones that the city has allotted for. in other words, bringing the police department up to its full force that is budgeted. the other thing is in many
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communities, they want to see an increased police presence. so, i am calling for moving officers off of administrative duty and putting them on the streets. that's the way we can hire them as soon as possible. but in addition to that, i believe in obviously stopping crime when it occurs, but doubling down and tripling down in communities where crime prevention strategies and different approaches are required. and i've worked on this for a number of years. so, i want to fully fund programs to prevent crime, to intervene, especially with young people. one of the things our current chief of police said is that he accounted for a spike in crime, especially post-restrictions of the pandemic because many of the crime prevention programs shut down due to covid. >> you disclosed back in september that you yourself were a victim of burglary at your home. and you had two guns stolen at that time. and i wondered, did you have those guns because you felt unsafe in your own home?
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and did you go out and purchase new weapons? >> i have not purchased new weapons. hi two handguns i owned for a very, very long time. i certainly believ in an individual's right to legally possess guns and properly store them. mine were legally purchased and properly stored. >> but you wouldn't encourage people to feel that they have to arm themselves to defend their own homes? >> i certainly hope -- you know, one of the things that happened in the pandemic, not just in los angeles, but all across the country, was an increase in gun purchasing. one of the reasons why we've had an increase in crime in los angeles is because of ghost guns and ghost guns absolutely need to be cracked down on. that's something that will be a focus of mine as well. >> what is the long-term solution to the homelessness and housing crisis? because housing affordability is
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pretty big problem in los angeles. >> absolutely right. los angeles has become unaffordable. you have to have a comprehensive approach. there's no magic bullet. first and foremost, you have to prevent people from falling into homelessness, and clearly affordability is key to that. but people are on the streets for a variety of issues. and you have to address why they're there. is it substance abuse? is it mental illness? is it just straight-up affordability? we have people who are in tents who actually work full time. we have thousands of children who are in tents. some with mothers who fled domestic violence, some who are teenagers that aged out of foster care, some who were formerly incarcerated because they're not able to find housing are in tents. we have to have a comprehensive approach and address the reasons why people are unhoused. first and foremost, we have to get people off the streets. people are literally dying on ss
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>> well, we will be watching, mayor-elect, how you do just that. it's a tall order. thank you for joining us this morning. and we will be right back. eww, the toilet sneeze. every flush spews harmful bacteria onto surfaces. that when touched, can quickly spread throughout your home. help stop the spread with microban24. with it's long lasting shield, it's the only leading brand proven to keep killing
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