don't settle. get xfinity home internet for just $24.99 a month for 2 years with no annual contract and a free streaming box. . welcome back to "face the nation." the release of brittney griner from russia is putting focus on other americans held hostage abroad including -- who's been detained in iran since 2018. he's been sentenced without trial to ten years in prison. joining me now is his wife and their two daughters. it's good to have you here. >> thank you. thank you for having us here, margaret. >> i know it's never easy to talk about this but it's important. there's been a lot that has happened since we last spoke inside iran and with these hostages released.

what was your reaction when you heard that brittney griner was released? >> i was ecstatic for brittney and her family. brittney should have never been detained, and i was very, very happy that she's back home, and it also gives me hope because it means that this can be done for others so as my husband and other americans who are held in iran. >> so it's hopeful for you? >> yes, very much so. >> when brittney griner was released her agent issued a letter, and it stood out to me because they said they'll try to help families like yours. in fact, they named emad in the list of those wrongfully detained and american. he was left behind when the u.s. and iran traded prisoners back in 2016. do you find all of you working

together is making a difference in. >> i definitely think so. we are all a part of this terrible club that no one wants to be a part of, but it's been really incredible to have this family of -- hostage families of americans held abroad and i do think that us helping each other makes a huge difference to get the word out but also for this amazing support system that we've developed, so i do really sincerely appreciate the fact that brittney is going to advocate for other hostages held abroad. anything we can all do together i definitely think is more powerful than just one family advocating for their own loved one. >> hannah, i know when we all last spoke back in june you were all publicly asking for a meeting with president biden and with white house officials. >> yes. >> have you gotten one? >> we have not received a meeting with him. we've been asking as a family along with the other hostage

families to meet with him for quite some time, and i just don't understand why he isn't meeting with us. i think it would make a big difference to sit down with him. i want to tell him about my dad. i want to tell him how scared we are, how pressing this matter and how time sensitive it really is. i mean our father could have been killed in the fire. >> this is the fire at the prison where your father was being held back in october. >> yes. so there was a fire and the riots at the prison where he's being held. we didn't hear from him for two days. we didn't know if he was alive or not. he inhaled tear gas and smoke from the fires, and it just shows this a really pressing issue and there's really no time to wait. we don't know really what's going to happen day to day. so i just want to sit down with the president and tell him our story and ask that he does everything he can to bring our dad home. i mean we live in washington,

d.c. we'll come any time he has available for us. >> did you receive any response from the white house to your public calls? >> we did. we wrote as the families, as iranian families, iranian american families to the president, and we did get an acknowledgement of the letter but that was it. i have seen no signs. it's just been talk but nothing really to show us that he's doing anything. or his administration really to bring emad and the other americans home. >> you know, the prisoners in iran, this is a really tough situation. the u.s. nuclear talks with iran appear to be crumbling. you have iran now helping russia in ukraine. for the white house does it raise a risk by meeting with you? do you think there's a good reason for them not to meet with you? or do you feel like you're being treated differently?

>> frankly, i don't think there's a good reason not to meet with us. i mean, we're americans first and foremost before even just being a hostage family. but also if biden and his administration could have the courage and the fortitude to get brittney out of russia while russia is in a war with ukraine, then i don't see any reason why they shouldn't be able to get my dad out of iran. it's clear that they have the skills and the tools to -- to make these difficult nego negotiations and to make the hard but correct decisions. >> secretary blinken and the state has to handle a lot of these issues. have you been in any communications with them? are they more forthcoming? >> the state department has been great. we talk to them often, and they

have -- i know they have done a lot to bring our father home, but at the end of the day i think what we really need is the white house to be more involved. that is really where the decision is going to come from at the end of the day the president has the authority to make these kind of big decisions, and that's really who we need to speak with now. >> you know when you've asked secretary blinken in the past he says these issues are so important to him. he carries a card in his pocket with the names of the hostages, but as he likes to say the other side gets a vote. do you get the sense there is a deal to be made and that there's a chance not to take it? i mean do you have any sense of where the diplomacy is or any progress within -- >> i mean, we have always asked and hoped the issue of the jcpoa and our father's release are separate -- >> the nuclear deal. >> the nuclear deal, yes. but as of now we have seen no

plan to bring our father home. that's what i'd really like to see, someone say this is the plan, we're going to execute it. but it seems at the moment there is no clear, concise plan to actually bring my dad and the rest of the americans home from iran. >> hannah, you tweeted the other day a pretty powerful tweet. the white house secretary karim jean pier was asked by a reporter about your dad on the day brittney griner was released, and she said she wasn't familiar with the case. you said it was crushing, absolutely crushing to hear that. >> yes, it was hard to hear she did not know my father's name, she was not familiar with the case and deferred us to the state department. once again she was asked the same question in june and also said that she was not familiar with his name or the case, and i just don't understand how i should have faith that my dad's going to be home if the white house doesn't even know his

name. >> you know, diplomats i talk to say they are working on this. it is just a very, very difficult situation. but you just want your husband home. how is emad? how is he doing? what do you know about his state? >> emad is not well. we are -- we are not well. emad is thousands of miles away from us. he's an innocent american being held hostage for no good reason at all. again, like hannah said, and we don't hear of any plan -- particular plan of how he will be brought home. again, with everything going on, with the fire, with the protests, emad is at risk every single day, every single moment. they all are the hostages in iran, and we just -- we just don't know why the administration doesn't use all the tools they have and the president to just encourage the

administration to do what is the right thing. we are behind him. i hope that we ask all the american people to be behind the president to help support bring emad and the other americans home. >> for you this is not at all political. you just want your dad back. >> yeah. >> this is a -- it's a humanitarian issue. >> a humanitarian issue at the end of the day, not a political issue. these are americans and they deserve to be home with their family. it's not political really. it's about people at the end of the day. >> we're coming up on the fourth or fifth holiday season without him. >> fifth. >> fifth. >> yes, yes. >> and it is on the way here actually i was telling the girls wouldn't it be fun to go get a christmas tree today or this weekend or something and it just wouldn't be fun, and we have not gotten it. and we're waiting for emad to come. and it happens in fact december 24th is also our anniversary and

yet another anniversary to be spent where emad is in jail and i am here. so we just want emad back home. >> well, we wish you the best of luck with that and we will keep following your story. thank you so much for talking about your dad and your husband. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. (vo) red lobster. the finer points of fun dining creating your own ultimate feast... ...is the ultimate form of shell-fish-pression. create your own ultimate feast is here.

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get to but i want to ask about this prisoner swap. your former colleague john bolton, i think your former boss on the national security council, told one of my colleagues at cbs the possible bout-whelan trade was made back then. do you recall a potential prisoner swap with russia? >> i do recall that. that was raised many times by the russians they wanted viktor bout and at the time there was also the drug smuggler who was ultimately swapped for trevor reid, the other former marine. they were put on the table by the russians making it very clear they had vaev intent of trying to swap americans that had been wrongfully detained for individuals in the united states custody who were there for pretty good reasons. >> do you see something particularly dangerous about viktor bout? why was that swap turned down then but happened just this past

week? >> well, look, at the particular time i also have to say here that president trump wasn't especially interested in engaging in that swap for also paul whelan. he was not particularly interested in paul's case in the way that one would have thought he would be. ambassador bolton met with elizabeth whelan, paul's sister. there was a big debate abouter bout himself as we see now as well the absurdity of the russians asking for the release of a notorious arms deal as well as somebody who'd been convicted of large scale narcotics smuggling in return for american citizens who had been either setup in the case of paul whelan and later imprisoned in the case of trevor reid and brittney griner for very minor

infractions that would have been handled differently in different cases. it was clear that the russians were looking to kind of set the united states up as well for just the kind of things we're seeing now in terms of the roiling of our domestic politics as chairman schiff talked about later. this is all part of a political game for the russian government. >> you have been talking about, chris, the spin around this that has really electrified the political body in this country. >> well i -- putin's very much tapped into the cultural wars here. he understands the various levers and divisions that exist in american society. and given the fact russia does not have a whole lot going on. their military clearly is underperforming on the field in ukraine. economically they are a bit of a has-bean. t this is one of the few areas putin has the ability to shape the narrative. americans traveling abroad as soon as you leave the united

states you're going to have to be mindful how you may fit into these information battles back and forth. >> it has become an attack point from republicans including the house republican leader that the swap took place for a marine veteran left behind. but fiona, you're making the point that marine veteran was left behind -- he was captured during the trump administration. so you're arguing this was disingenuous outcry, essentially. >> look, what we have to bear in mind in the previous segment we have a lot of american citizens who are being taken by other countries for political purposes. >> president biden called it a national emergency. >> that's absolutely right. and as chris is saying every single american citizen who travels abroad even, look, allies in partner countries if you get into trouble there's only so much that the united states government can do for you. when it is a state like russia or iran or china or north korea, some of them more obvious than

others, you are putting yourself at a certain degree of risk even if you think to visit family or something routine. remember trevor reid was going to visit his girlfriend, paul whelan was going to a wedding and brittneyo around the world including russian athletes here in the united tates ovechkin, for example, one of the greatest hockey players here in the united states playing for the washington team. they were doing something that seemed routine, seemed completely ordinary but found themselves snarled up in basically political games. and we have to be mindful of the fact when governments do this, they're doing it for trading purposes but also doing it to mess about in our politics, and we're falling every single time for this. the more we fight if with each other, the more we play into their hands we risk americans being taken because it's influencing our domestic politics. >> it's interesting you connect all those dots there.

i know, chris, you -- y with ourselves on social media and how inflamed it is. when it comes to some of these more extreme groups it's almost sometimes -- it sounds so absurd and yet there are national security risks as we saw in germany this week with this extraordinary arrest, an attempted coup in germany by people linked to qanon. i mean, it doesn't sound real, but it is. >> well, the qanon piece i think it's a reminder, a confirmation that qanon is a global phenomenon that is catching on. and actually i think in part what we're seeing now is that it's broadening and almost becoming an extreme. we had this attempted coup in germany. we had january 6th and efforts to overturn the january 2020 election that was "q" ajace want as well. these things are catching on and they're informing much more radical behaviors both at the

national level and local level. and i think in part of some things we're seeing with the attacks on the electrical grid for instance may not be "q" but they're extremists. they're online. they're white supremacist groups pulling down and developing playbooks. so they're national level efforts but also local level efforts. a lot of this is due to the broader information ecosystem and how virulent these conspiracy theories and efforts to, you know, overcome normal civil society. >> the homeland security secretary said that it did appear in north carolina that attack was deliberate. are you saying you believe there's evidence it's tied to domestic extremists? >> that is a question investigators are still looking at. but the attack itself on that facility, that substation in moore county was unquestionably deliberate. the tactics the attackers used two different substations going

in and targeting very specific critical equipment in that site there's no question it was premeditated, coordinated, deliberate. combine that with the fact there were half-a dozen similar events in the pacific northwest. there's been events throughout the southeast, and so it says to me that there is something broader going on here, and perhaps we are paying more attention now. but there is a significant threat to our nation's critical infrastructure. and right now both the utility operators as well as law enforcement i think are doing a hard look what needs to change and how do we counter this threat. >> fiona, when you were with us in october 2021 you said something that stuck in my brain ever since. where you talked about the election cycles in 2022 and 2024 being potential vehicles for potential violence. and you called january 6th a dress rehearsal. are you as concerned now as you were then about the stability of the country? >> i'm just say a bit more

cautiously optimistic than i was back then. i mean i think all red lights were flashing for all of us at that particular juncture. we've seen more handling on every front including mid-terms people being more circumspect what's happening. of course we've got the committee and just had chairman schiff on the program and the work they're doing which i think played a very important role for a lot of americans and i'm seeing how things unfolded. people are waking up to the risks of so much acrimony in our politics. actually as chris is saying an awful lot of groups have been fired up by all this. and so it isn't a coincidence as we've been talking about you had this coup attempt in germany and there were linkages among all these events because there were certain groups that flow backwards and forwards and they're linked on the internet, and they have personal director

connections. and we are still in a dangerous time where we need to be vigilant and thinking about our resilience. >> thank you for connecting all those dots both of you for us. we'll be back in a moment. (male) there are many voices in today's world.

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>> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." we begin with a major break in one of the deadliest acts of international terrorism. tonight a former libyan intelligence officer accused of making the bomb that brought down pan-am flight 103 over lockerbie, scotland is now in american custody. it happened december 21st 1988. the jumbo jet was flying from london to new york. 259 people on board and 11 on the ground were killed. cbs's christina ruffini is at our washington bureau with more on the suspect abu agilla mohammad masud. christina, good evening. >> r