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stepped back from his royal duties in 2020, but he and his wife meghan, the duchess of sussex, certainly haven't stepped away from the spotlight. just last month they appeared in a six-part netflix documentary about their relationship and their decision to leave their royal lives behind. but now the 38-year-old prince harry is telling his own story in a new memoir coming out tuesday called "spare," a nod to his backup role in the line of succession. the book is a stunning break with royal protocol. it's a deeply personal account of prince harry's decades long struggle with grief after the death of his mother, princess diana, and a revealing look at his fractured relationships with his father, king charles, his stepmother, the queen consort camilla, and his brother prince william, the heir to his spare. you write about a contentious meeting you had with him in 2021. you said, i looked at willie, really maybe looked at him for the first time we were boys. i took it all in, his familiar scowl which had always been his

default in dealings with me, his alarming baldness, more advanced than my own, his fading resemblance to mummy, that is fading with time, with age. that's pretty cutting. >> i don't see it as cutting at all. my brother and i love each other. i love him deeply. there has been a lot of pain between the two of us, esecially the last six years. none of anything i have ever written, ever included has been intended to hurt my family, but it does give a full picture of the situation as we were growing up, and also squashes this idea that my wife was somehow the one that destroyed the relationship between these two brothers. >> i think so many people around the world watched you and your brother grow up and feel like you two were inseparable. ad yet in reading the book, you have led separate lives from the time your mom died. >> uh-huh.

>> even when you were in the same school, high school. >> sibling rivalry. >> your brother told you, pretend we don't know each other. >> yeah. and at the time it hurt. i couldn't make sense of it. what you mean? we're now at the same school. i haven't seen you for ages. now we get to hang out together? no, no, no. when we're at school, we don't know each other. i took that personally. but yes, you're absolutely right. you hit the nail on the head. but we had a very similar traumatic experience, and then we dealt with it two very different ways. >> william had tried to talk to you occasionally about your mom, but as a child, you could not -- you couldn't respond? >> for me, it was never a case of i don't want to talk about it with you. i just don't know how to talk about it. i never, ever thought that maybe talking about it with my brother or with anybody else at that point would be therapeutic. >> in august 1997, harry and william were vacationing in scotland with their father. harry was 12, william 15. they were asleep at balmoral

cast on august 31st when harry was awakened by his father, who told him his mother had been in a car crash in paris. in the book you write, he says "they tried darling boy, i'm afraid she didn't make it." these phrases remained in my mind like darts on a board," you say. did you cry? >> not shed a single tear at that point. i was in shock. 12 years old. sort of 7:30 in the morning, early. your father comes in, sits on your bed, puts his hand on your knee and tells you there has been an accident. i -- i couldn't believe. >> and you write in the book that "pa didn't hug me. he wasn't great at showing emotions under normal circumstances, but his hand did fall once more on my knee, and he said it's going to be okay." but after that nothing was okay, for a long time. >> nothing was okay. >> harry says his memories of the next few days are fragmented, but he does

remember this, greeting mourners outside kensington palace in london the day before his mother's funeral. when you see those videos now, what do you think? >> i think it's bizarre, because i see william and me smiling. i remember the guilt that i felt. >> guilt about? >> the fact that the people we were meeting were showing more emotion than we were showing, maybe more emotions than we even felt. >> they were crying but you weren't? >> there was a lot of tears. i talk about how wet people's hands were. i couldn't understand it at first. >> their hands were wet. >> their hands were wet from wiping their own tears away. i do remember one of the strangest parts to it was taking flowers from people and then placing those flowers with the rest of them, as if i was some sort of middle person for their grief. and that really stood out for me. >> the funeral, on a cool september morning, was watched by as many as 2.5 billion people

around the world, perhaps the most indelible image, prince harry and his brother walking behind their mother's casket on its way to westminster abbey. what do you remember about that walk? >> how quiet it was. i remember the occasional wail and screaming of someone. i remember the horses on the road, the bridles of the horses, the gun carriage, the wheels, the occasional gravel stone underneath your shoe. but mainly, the silence. >> after the service, princess diana's body was brought for burial to her family's ancestral estate, althorp. >> once my mother's coffin actually went into the ground, that was the first time i actually cried. there was never another time. >> all through your teenaged years, you didn't cry about it? >> no. >> you didn't believe she was dead? >> for a long time i just refused to accept that she was gone. part of she would never do this

to us, but also part of maybe this is all part of a plan. >> i mean, you really believed that maybe she had just decided to disapper for a time? >> for a time and that she would call us and we would go and join her. >> how long did you believe that? >> years. many, many years. william and i talked about it as well. he had similar thoughts. >> you write in the book, "i'd often say to myself first thing in the morning, maybe this is the day. maybe this is the day that she is going to reappear." >> yeah, hope. i had huge amounts of hope. >> he held on to that hope into adulthood. when harry was 20, he asked to see the police report about the crash that killed his mother, her boyfriend dodi al fayed and the driver henri paul. while they were being pursued by paparazzi in a paris tunnel. the file contained photographs of the crash scene. why did you want the see it? >> mainly proof. proof that she was in the car proof that she was injured, and proof that the very paparazzi

that chased her into the tunnel were the ones taking photographs of her lying half dead on the back seat of the car. >> you where that the last thing mummy saw on this earth was a flashbulb. >> yep. >> that's what you saw in the pictures? >> uh-huh. well, the pictures showed the reflection of a group of photographers taking photographs though the window and the reflection of the window was them. >> he only saw some of the crash photos. his private secretary and adviser dissuaded him from looking at the rest. >> all i saw was the back of my mom's head, slumped on the back seat. there were other more gruesome photographs, but i will be eternally grateful to him for denying me the ability to inflict pain on myself by seeing that, because that's the kind of stuff that sticks in your mind forever. >> harry says he believed his

mother might still be alive until he was 23 and visited paris for the first time. you told your driver i want to go to the tunnel where my mom died. >> yeah. i wanted to see whether it was possible driving at the speed that henri paul was driving that you could lose control of a car and plow into a pillar, killing almost everybody in that car. i need to take this journey. i need to ride the same route. >> the same tunnel, the same speed. >> all of that. >> your mother was going. >> because william and i had been told the event was like a bicycle chain. if you remove one of the chains the end result would not have happened, and the paparazzi chasing was part of that. but yet everybody got away with it. >> harry writes he and his brother weren't satisfied with the results of a 2006 investigation by london's metropolitan police, concluding diana's driver henri paul had been drinking, and the crash

was, quote, a tragic accident. >> william and i considered reopening the inquest, because there were so many gaps and so many holes in it, which just didn't add up and didn't make sense. >> would you still like to do that? >> i don't know if it's even an option now. but, no i think -- would i like to do that? no. that's a hell of a question, anderson. >> do you feel you have the answers that you need to have about what happened to your mom? >> truth be known, no, i don't think i do. i don't think my brother does either. i think the world does. do i need any more than i already know? no, i don't think it would change much. >> harry now says it wasn't until he served in combat with the british army in afghanistan that he finally found purpose and a sense of normalcy. >> my military career saved me in many reguard. >> how so? >> it got me out of the spotlight from the uk press. i was able to focus on a purpose larger than myself, to be

wearing the same uniform as everybody else, to feel normal for the first time in my life, and to accomplish some of the biggest challenges i ever had. i was training to become a apache helicopter pilot. you don't get a pass being a prince. >> the apache doesn't give a crap about who you are? >> there is no prince auto button you can press and take you away. i was a really good candidate for the military. i was a young man in my 20s suffering from shock. but i was now in the front seat of an h1n1, shooting and radio monitoring simultaneously, and being there to save and help anybody that was on the ground with a radio screaming we need support, we need air support. that was my calling. i felt healing from that, weirdly. >> in that multitasking, the brain work of that, that felt good to you? >> it felt like i was turning pain into a purpose. i didn't have the awareness at the time that i was living my

life in adrenaline, and that was a case from age 12, from the moment i was told that my mom had died. >> you say war didn't begin in afghanistan. it began in august 1997. >> yeah, the war for me unknowingly was when my mom died. >> who were you fighting? >> myself. i had a huge amount of frustration and blame towards the british press for their part in it. >> at 12, at that young, you were feeling that toward the british press? >> yeah. it was obvious to us as kids the british press is part in our mother's misery. i had a lot of anger inside of me that luckily i never expressed on anybody, but i resorted to drinking heavily because i wanted to numb the feeling. i wanted to distract myself from whatever i was thinking. and resort to drugs as well. >> harry admits he smoked pot and used cocaine, and writes

that in his late 20s, he felt hopeless and lost. >> there was this weight on my chest that i felt for so many years that i was never able to cry. so i was constantly trying to find a way to cry, but even sitting on my sofa and going over as many memories as i could muster up about my mum, and sometimes i watched videos online. >> of your mom? >> of my mum. >> hoping to cry? >> yep. >> and you couldn't? >> i couldn't. >> he sought out help from a therapist for the first time seven years ago, and reveals he has also tried more experimental treatments. you write in the book about psychedlics, ayahuasca, psilocybin, mushrooms. >> i would never recommend people to do this recreationally, but doing it with the right people, if you are suffering from a huge amount of loss, grief, or trauma, then these things have a way of working as a medicine. >> they showed you something. what did they show you?

>> for me, they cleared the wind screen, the windshield, the misery of loss. they cleared away this idea that i had in my head that my mother that i needed to cry to prove to my mother that i missed her when in fact all she wanted was for me to be happy. >> prince harry says he has found that happiness with his wife in california, but as you'll hear in a moment, he is far from at peace with the royal family. (vo) sail through the heart of historic cities and unforgettable scenery with viking. unpack once, and get closer to iconic landmarks, local life, and cultural treasures. because when you experience europe on a viking longship, you'll spend less time getting there and more time being there. viking. exploring the world in comfort.

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prince henry's memoir "spare" is anything but spare in its unflattering portrayal of the royal family, especially camilla, the queen consort. she married then prince charles in 2005, though the two had been romantically involved on and off for decades. when princess diana famously preferred to camila as the third person in her marriage, the british tabloids ran with it, and prince harry has never forgotten. >> she was the villain. she was the third person in the marriage. she needed to rehabilitate her image. >> you and your brother both directly asked your dad not to marry camilla? >> yes. >> why? >> we didn't think it was necessary. we thought that it was going to cause more harm than good, and that if he was now with his person, that surely that's

enough. why go that far when you don't necessarily need to? we wanted him to be happy, and we saw how happy he was with her. so at the time it was okay. >> you wrote that she started to campaign in the british press to pave the way for a marriage. and you wrote "i even wanted camilla to be happy. maybe she would be less dangerous if she was happy." how was she dangerous? >> because of the need for her to rehabilitate her image. >> that made her dangerous? >> that made her dangerous because of the connections that she was forging in the british press. with a family built on hierarchy, and with her on the way to being queen consort, there was going to be people or bodies left in the street because of that. >> harry says over the years, he was one of those bodies. he accuses camilla and even his father at times of using him or william to get better tabloid coverage for themselves. prince harry writes, "camilla,

quote, sacrificed me on her personal pr altar." >> if you are led to believe as a member of the family that being on the front page, having positive headlines, having positive stories written about you is going to improve your reputation or increase the chances of you being accepted as monarch by the british public, then that's what you're going to do. >> in his book, harry writes that when he introduced meghan markle to his family in 2016, his father initially took a liking to her, but william was skeptical, disdainfully referring to meghan as an american actress. though harry doesn't specify who, he says other members of the royal family were uneasy as well. >> right from the beginning, before they had a chance the get to know her, and the uk press jumped on her, and here we are. >> nd what was that based on? that mistrust? >> the fact that she was american, an actress, divorced, black, biracial with a black mother. those are just four of the typical stereotypes that it becomes a feeding frenzy for the british press.

>> but all those things within the family were also sources of mistrust? >> yes. my family read the tabloids. it's laid out at breakfast when everyone comes together. so whether you walk around saying you believe it or not, it's still -- it's still leaving an imprint in your mind. so if you have that judgment based on a stereotype right at the beginning, it's very, very hard to get over that. and a large part of it for the family, but also the british press and numerous other people is like he's changed. she must be a witch. he's changed. as opposed to yeah, i did change, and i'm really glad i changed, because rather than getting drunk, falling out of clubs, taking drugs, i had now found the love of my life, and i now have the opportunity to start a family with her. >> soon after their relationship became public, harry insisted on putting out a statement condemning some in the tabloid

coverage of meghan and what he called, quote, the racial undertones of comment pieces. >> you write that your dad and brother william were furious with you for doing that. why? >> they felt as though it made them look bad. they felt as though they didn't have a chance or weren't able to do that for their partners. what meghan had to go through was similar in some part to what kate and what camilla went through. very different circumstances. but then you add in the race element, which is what the british press jumped on straight away, i went into this incredibly naive. i had no idea the british press was so bigoted. hell, i was probably bigoted. before the relationship with meghan. >> you think you were bigoted before the relationship with meghan? >> i don't know. put this way. i didn't see what i now see. >> they were married in may 2018 in a ceremony that seemed to promise a more modern and inclusive royal family and given the titles duke and duchess of sussex.

but behind the scenes, according to harry, william's mistrust of meghan only worsened. did you ever try to meet with william and kate to try to diffuse the tension? >> yep. >> how did that meeting go? >> not particularly well. >> in early 2019, harry writes the rancor between william and him exploded at harry's cottage on the grounds of kensington palace. your arguments with your brother became physical? >> it was a buildup of frustration i think on his part. it was at a time where he was being told certain things by people within his office, and the same time, he was consuming a lot of the tabloid press, a lot of the stories. and he had a few issues which were based not on reality. and i was defending my wife, and he was coming for my wife. she wasn't there at the time, but through the things that he

was saying, i was defending myself. and we moved from one room into the kitchen, and his frustrations were growing and growing and growing. he was shouting at me. i was shouting back at him. it wasn't nice. it wasn't pleasant at all, and he snapped and he pushed me to the floor. >> he knocked you over? >> he knocked me over. i landed on the dog bowl. >> you cut your back? >> yeah. i cut my back. i didn't know about it at the time. yeah, he apologized afterwards. it was a pretty nasty experience. >> he asked you not to tell anybody, not to tell meghan. >> yeah. and i wouldn't have done. i didn't until she saw on my back. she said what's that? what? i actually didn't know what she was looking about. i looked in the mirror, and i was [ bleep ]. i hadn't seen it. >> meghan had said constant criticism and pressure led her in the winter of 2019 to contemplate suicide. >> the thing that's terrified me the most is history repeating itself.

>> you really feared that your wife, meghan -- >> yes, i feared a lot that the end result, the fact that i lost my mum when i was 12 years old could easily happen again to my wife. >> in january 2020, prince harry and meghan announced they'd intended to, in their words, step back as senior members of the royal family. they moved to california three months later. then there was the headline-grabbing interview with oprah winfrey and a deal with netflix worth a reported $100 million. critics say the duke and duchess are cashing in on their royal titles while they still can. why not renounce your titles as duke and duchess? >> and what difference would that make? >> one of the criticisms you've received is that okay, fine, you want to move to california. you want to step back from the institutional role. why be so public? why reveal conversations you've had with your father or with your brother? you say you tried to do this privately. >> and every single time i tried to do it privately, there have

been briefings and leaks and my wife. the family motto is never complain, never explain, but it's just a motto, and it doesn't really hold. >> there is a lot of complaining and a lot of explaining in private, being done through leaks? >> through leaks. >> prince harry continues to claim he would never leak against his family. >> so now trying to speak a language that perhaps they understand, i will sit here and speak truth to you with the words that come out of my mouth rather than using someone else, an unnamed source, to feed in lies or narratives to a tabloid media that literally radicalizes its readers to then potentially cause harm to my family, my wife, my kids. >> last month, the british tabloid "the sun" published a vicious column about meghan written by a tv shows. >> he said "i hate her. at night i'm unable to sleep as i lie there grinding my teeth

and dreaming of the day as she is made to walk naked through the streets of every town in britain while the crowds chant shame and throw lumps of excrement at her." did that surprise? >> did it surprise me? no. is it shocking? yes. thank you for proving our point. >> has there been any response from the palace? >> no. and that comes a point when silence is betrayal. >> harry has been back in the united kingdom. he was in london last september for a charity event when the palace announced his grandmother, the queen, was under medical supervision at balmoral casle in scotland. >> i asked my brother, what are your plans? how are you and kate getting up there? and then a couple of hours later, all of the family members that lived within the windsor and ascot area were jumping on plane together. a plane with maybe 12, 14, 16 seats. >> you were not invited on that plane? >> i was not invited. >> by the time harry got to

balmoral on his own, the queen was dead. >> i walked into the hall, and my aunt was there to greet me. and she asked me if i wanted to see her. i thought about it for about five seconds, thinking is this a good idea. you know what? you can do this. you need to say goodbye. so i went upstairs, took my jacket off, and walked in and just spent so time with her alone. >> where was she? >> she was in her bedroom. i was really happy for her, because she finished life. she completed life, and her husband was waiting for her, and the two of them are buried together. >> as they had 25 years earlier, harry and william found themselves walking together but apart, this time behind their grandmother's casket. do you speak to william now? do you text? >> currently no. but i look forward to -- i look forward to us being able to find peace. >> how long has it been since

you spoke? >> a while. >> do you speak to your dad? >> we haven't spoken for quite a while. no. not recently. >> can you see a day when you would return as a full-time member of the royal family? >> no. i can't see that happening. >> in the book, you called this a full-scale rupture. can it be healed? >> yes. the ball is very much in their court. but meghan and have i continued to say that we will openly apologize for anything that we did wrong. that every time we ask that question, no one is telling us the specifics or anything. there needs to be a constructive conversation, one that happens in private and doesn't get leaked. >> they would say how can we trust you? how can we know whatever conversations we have in an interview somewhere? >> this all started with them briefing daily against my wife with lies to the point of where

my wife and i had to run away from my country. >> it's hard i think for anybody to imagine a family dynamic that is so "game of thrones" without dragons. >> i don't watch "game of thrones," but there is definitely dragons, and again, that's the third party, which is the british press. so ultimately, without the british press as part of this, we would probably still be a fairly dysfunctional family, like a lot. but at the heart of it, there is a family, without question. and i really look forward to having that family element back. i look forward to having a relationship with my brother. i look forward to having a relationship with my father and other members of my family. >> you want that? >> that's all i've ever asked for. >> we reached out to buckingham palace for comment. its representatives demanded that before considering responding, "60 minutes" provide them with our report prior to airing it tonight, which is something we never do.

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music in the background of a movie is often crucial to how we experience the film. in some cases it can become as memorable as the movie itself. think of the screaming violins in "psycho" or the haunting tuba in "jaws," the latter written by john williams, who for more than a generation was hollywood's leading composer. but over the years, as directors and studios began to look for edgier scores, they have increasingly turned to a german-born composer named hans zimmer. if you've been to the movies in the past 40 years, you've heard a hans zimmer score. action, drama, comedy, romance,

blockbusters, he's done them all. ♪ including the 1994 film "lion king," which he won an oscar for with its opening zulu chant. sung by lebo m., a south african musician who was working at a car wash in los angeles when hans enlisted him. ♪ >> that's how that opening turn came about, literally. microphone in the room, not in a booth. i think like this. >> hans told the executives at disney that he wanted to say right off the bat this is not a typical disney movie. it's a father-son story that takes place in africa.

>> they said exactly, that's do what you do. >> he showed us what he does at his studio in los angeles, where he compose his scores on this keyboard and computer. for example, the music for the first "pirates of the caribbean" movie. >> if you have pirates, which is basically this sort of a thing, that's a jauntiness, right? >> yeah. ♪ >> the music gets really big, and he is in a little rowboat with a little sail. and you hear this huge orchestra. ♪ because that's the music he hears in his head, because he is the greatest pirate that has ever lived, in his imagination. so when you listen to the joker, he is quite the opposite. ♪ it's like a bow and arrow and you stretch it.

>> oh my god. >> it's not pretty. >> why so serious? >> it's very emotional inducing. i can't even express why. i wouldn't be able to put words to it. >> that's the idea. at my best, words will fail you, because i'm using any own language. >> since the 1980s, hans zimmer's language and his scores, like last year's biggest hit "top gun: maverick" has defined not just the characters but has helped tell the stories of chest-bumping action films and sci-fi epics, like "dune," which he won an oscar for in 2022 in which he used juddering drums and electronic synthesizers. you've been called a maverick. you've been called a visionary. how would you describe yourself?

>> i would describe myself as somebody who is deeply in love with music and deeply in love with movies and playful. i love to play, as any musician does, as in any language it says you play music. >> his choices have been unpredictable. for every man of steel, there is a kung fu panda and a sherlock holmes. in which he used a broken piano and banjo for the 19th century detective turned quirky action hero. how important is the instrument to getting what you want? >> vastly important. because instruments come with baggage. you know, for instance, the definition of a gentleman is somebody who knows how to play the banjo, but refrains from doing it. >> whoa! >> why that banjo worked, right?

because it was funny. >> he has used banjos, bagpipes, buzzing electronics, and this -- ♪ a good old-fashioned orchestra. think about the composer of "the dark knight" writing something this delicate. >> really good. can we have one more to protect the innocent. >> he invited us to watch him record the score of a new movie in a london studio last summer. it's about a young girl coming of age based on a judy blume book, "are you there, god? it's me, margaret." that will be released in theaters this spring. >> you like the sound? >> uh-huh. >> academy award-winning director jim brooks is a producer of this movie. this is the eighth film they've .orked on together.

>> what's unique about hans, says brooks and other directors, is how deeply involved he gets in more than just writing the music. his process typically begins with a conversation with the director long before a single frame of the movie is shot. >> can you talk what the movie is about, the story of it, what the scene is about. you don't turn to a composer for that. >> he becomes almost the partner in the writing and the directing? >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> everything. on "gladiator," he partnered with director ridley scott. he says he told him that he thought this movie should be more about just a man in a skirt going into battle. >> i felt right at the beginning we needed to set up the possibility that in this movie we could have poetry. >> can we listen just to a bit of the music that you wrote. ♪ >> it starts off just with this note. >> and you see the hand.

>> and you see the hand. and you're already in a different world. >> no one is talking. >> it is unexpected tenderness. >> you are setting a mood. >> it's a cry. it's a cry. >> his love of music, his obsession grew out of his childhood in west germany. while other kids liked to play games, he liked to play the piano. so did you take piano lessons? >> absolutely. it was two weeks of absolute torture. >> two weeks? >> well, yeah, because he then went to my mother and said it's either him or me. and luckily, my mother made the right choice. she kept me. no, no. i drove him crazy. i'm 6 years old. so my idea was a piano teacher is somebody who teaches you how to -- the stuff that's going on in your head, how to get that into your fingers. that's not what they do. they make you do scales.

they make you play other people's music. i don't want to do other people's music. >> right from the beginning. >> right from the beginning. but i promise you, i know my beethoven and my brahms inside out. >> he learned about them from his mother, a classically trained pianist. >> there is the other side who is my dad, who is an extremely appalling jazz clarinettist, but with great enthusiasm. in the middle of his work day, he'd get out the clarinet. i'd be banging around and we'd be jamming. that's where i got the joy. >> instead of college, he became a rock and roller, performing with the buggles. ♪ video killed the radio star ♪ >> he's that young guy in the black jacket on the synthesizer. they made pop history in 1981 with the first music video to air on mtv.

he began composing scores for low budget films, one of which in 1988 caught the attention of the hollywood director barry levinson. so this is where it all began. >> who showed up one night out of the blue at what was then hans' london studio. >> so he said would i mind coming to los angeles and maybe doing his movie. so off i went to los angeles. and i got nominated for an oscar. >> first movie, really? >> first movie. i didn't win, but it didn't matter, because everybody wanted to meet me. >> that film was no less than "rain man" which led to "driving miss daisy," "thelma & louise," "black rain," and more than 140 other films that began to push the sound of movie music into a new direction. >> i love the idea that electronics let you shape sounds in a way that go beyond the way an orchestra can.

>> he became a pioneer in fusing electronics with orchestral music, using his secret weapon, a digital library that he built himself with original computer code. he painstakingly recorded each instrument in a real orchestra note by note using world class musicians and the finest instruments and loading it all into his computer. >> take a violin. and you have the violin playing middle c. and then you that instrument playing middle c loud, soft, and all different -- >> oh, yeah. look. they can play piccato, they can play soft. >> so you're not making it they played it that way. >> they played it that way. >> you're bringing that up. whoa. that must have taken months. >> no, it's actually taken years.

>> and millions of dollars. he doesn't write out his compositions on paper. his computer does it for him. he helped create the unconventional sound -- >> which can go up. >> -- you find in his scores, scraping metal. >> yeah. >> and electronic thuds. music? >> it can be. everything can be made to be a musical instrument in one way or another. >> he often collaborates with pedro eustace, a world class flautist who has built contraptions that creates unusual sounds that hans thinks up for his movies. >> this is an ostrich egg, okay? >> that's an ostrich egg? you put the holes in? >> yeah. and i put all that there, and it's a musical instrument. >> so you made. >> yeah. >> out of an ostrich egg.

>> let me explain. he is not stealing eggs at the zoo. he is a very good customer of home depot. and so many of his instruments made out of pvc piping. >> pedro actually used pvc piping to come up with his 21 foot-long horn that hans wanted for "dune." he's currently working on "dune part 2." and now he goes on tour with a 38-piece orchestra and band to perform his movie scores. how have you changed? you've been working at this for 40 years. >> i item you what. so when you start out, you have all that stuff that you've never done before. every movie had every idea, every device, every chord change, every whatever in it. now i think it's more figuring out what to do new, but it

becomes harder and harder because i've used up so much ammunition in the past. >> he told us after more than 150 films, he lives in constant fear of the day his phone will stop ringing. even after 150. do you think you're motivated by that fear? >> but it's only 150, do you know what i mean? what if 151 is a complete disaster? i'm still alive. i'm 65 years old now, and people are going are you going retire? are you going to go and put your feet up? no. i'm full of ideas. i'm just getting started. >> do you really think that? >> i really think that. cbs sports hq, i'm james brown. today josh allen throws three

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