welcome back to "face the nation." we're joined by the republican governor of new hampshire, chris sununu. it's good to have you here. >> thanks. >> in person. >> great to be here. better here than the rest of washington. this town gives me the chills sometimes. >> well, you night might need to get over that if you're going to run for 1600 pennsylvania avenue. >> a lot of opportunity to change things. i think new hampshire has an awesome model of live free or die, limited government, local control, individual responsibility, really putting the voters first. send them some money but the regulatory authority too. >> what's the proactive reason you want to be president? not something that president

biden is doing wrong but something you want to achieve? >> the right question you're asking, by the way, because it drives me crazy when republicans talk in an echo chamber about how bad the president is and democrats. we got the memo as republicans. you have to be for something. what i'm trying to do is show that new hampshire model, the opportunity to get stuff done. i've had republicans in my legislature, democrats in my legislature and always get my conservative agendas done. we always cut taxes and ambubalance a budget and i can explain to folks in washington what a balanced budget needs. we need results leadership. >> like what? >> cutting taxes, being pro business, regulatory reform. the immigration stuff we were told was going to happen in 2017 and 2018 as republicans as didn't. told health care reform would happen, it didn't. we were told we were going to secure the border and we didn't. so all this great opportunity that has a domino effect, not just things to check off a list, but those things have huge impacts on the american economy and importantly american families, right.

they want flexibility to do what they do and frankly they're tired of the nonsense in d.c. they're tired of extreme candidate, tired of gridlock. they want somebody to come to the table and it could be myself, other governors, but it has to be leadership with proven results. i've been in the private sector as an engineer and a businessman and in the public sector. you have to be able to deliver and hopefully be inspirational and hopeful as opposed to all this negativity you see. >> but you still have to get the congress to work with you to do that very long laundry list of things you just read off to us. so when you were here in november you told us that president biden would not run for in the your estimation. is that still what you believe? >> other people are going to run. >> sdmms. >> absolutely. yeah, yeah. >> did someone tell you that? >> joe biden has tried to move first in the nation primary from new hampshire, we're going first whether the president likes it or not. that's going to be a huge opportunity for anybody who

wants to challenge him. look at the polls across the country, the average democrat says thanks for your service on one term but let's keep it to one term, president biden. i don't believe that democrat lease is going to sit on the sidelines, knowing you can come to new hampshire and get all the earned attention without all the money and that political momentum. he's opened up his flank to give someone a huge opportunity to charge right through and take that nomination from him. >> we'll see iourrojection plays out. you have been talking about trying to sort of remind the party that republicans are about limited government. you said recently, republicans are almost trying to outdo democrats at their own game of being big government and having a solution and a say on everything. who were you thinking of when you say that? >> like i think there's a lot of leadership that forgets at heart, i'm a principled free market conservative. let the markets decide. there's no individual per se, bought lot of leadership that says, when we're not getting that result out of our private business or locality, we'll just impose from the top down our

conservative will. >> you're not talking about the florida governor and disney, for example? >> that's a bad example, one of the many examples. >> ron desantis may be running for president as well. >> rop is a very good governor, but i'm trying to remind folks what we are at our core. if we're trying to beat the democrats at being big government authoritarians remember what's going to happen. eventually they'll have power in state or position and start penalizing conservative businesses and nonprofits and conservative ideas. that is the worst precedent in the world, what the founding fathers tried to avoid and so i'm trying to remind my conservative friends about federalism, free markets and being for the voter first, the individual. do i like what every private business do? no, i hate this woke cancer culture. >> what does that mean? >> you're not a culture warrior really. what does that mean? >> it's the divisiveness we see not just in our schools, but in our communities where it is me

versus you, if you are not adhering to my ideals, i'm going to cancel you out. us versus them. the binary where everything is a war. that's a cultural problem we have to fix in america, and it starts with good leadership, good messaging, more hopeful and optimistic, but government never solves a cultural problem. >> okay. >> you can lead but never solve. >> interesting idea, but you are contradicted by the republican governor of arkansas who gave the response for your party after the state of the union who embraced culture war. she says america is in one. >> we are. >> she says being waged by the left wing a woke mob that can't even tell you what a woman is. >> that's absolutely right. >> are you going to engage on things like this, like sanders and desantis has in terms of issues on gender and race? >> there should be absolute leadership on that about what that's about and this idea you have to -- we have forced language that we have forced ideas on our kids, we're going to force anything. >> you are going to be a cultural warrior? >> no. we have to talk about that, but

it suspect the government's role to solve it. the government is not here to solve your problems. the government is here to -- >> governments shouldn't be engaging in talking and doing things like this and pass laws like they are. >> i don't think governors should pass laws to subvert the will to the voters that know more than us. the voters on that school board, the voters in those towns know more. if that's the free market of politics. if they don't like the school board, they go to a town meeting and fire them. >> you call yourself a pro choice republican. you have to win in a republican primary. is there room for someone who calls themselves a pro choice republican. >> that issue will change three ways now that dobbs happened. states decide what they want to do. the definition of pro life and pro choice and pro abortion will be different because if you're a pro life republican, that's fine. as a governor you can do that and ban it in your state and stand behind those ideals. that's what your state wants, no problem. i'm a pro choice republican in a very pro choice state, but at the end of the day, you have the

pro life over here, pro abortion over here and then the rest of us we have a 24-week ban and you have a 22-week and 18-week ban. the rest of us are in this spectrum debating about weeks. the whole conversation is going to change. >> we want to talk about some of these issues in depth with you in a moment. stay with us. we'll bring in a panel of bipartisan governors with us. hi, i'm lauren, i lost 67 pounds on golo. i got picked on as a child. it really got to me, so i tried everything there was.

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cdc. how is that possible when this is a national crisis? >> well, i think all of our governors were all border states with the fentanyl that's coming into this country, perhaps manufactured in china, coming across the southern border, but in north dakota we've taken an approach of understanding if you're going to have a war on drugs, this thing we've been doing since the 1970s and '80s, it can become a war on people who have a health issue. addiction is a disease and we want to be tough on the people that are importing and distributing and we have to understand if people have the disease of addiction, it's not a moral choice or a failure, so we've taken an approach on a number of fronts, one of the things that's been most successful is treating the disease of addiction is with peer support specialists. we know now someone who has lived experience, whether that's in the criminal justice system or living with the disease of addiction and in recovery, the they can help people through it as much as an addiction counselor. the approach is we've turned it

towards one of treating this as a national health crisis, which it is, so we want to be tough on suppliers, but we want to be super supportive of those -- >> i appreciate that approach. that is probably going to be the nexus of real bipartisan work. in new mexico we have a significant issue with substance abuse and overdose deaths. i wish i could tell you fentanyl is not a problem, but it is. we were part of an fbi sting with one of the largest fentanyl busts in the united states history. a million pills, 2 million in cash. but we didn't have any behavioral health system when i became governor. the former administration literally canceled behaval health, and there were no providers. they were all in litigation. everybody left to other states. so now you have a crisis on top of a national building crisis that covid did none of us any favors to really address

evidence-based work ate mbout mg sure treatment is available is how we're going to get ahead of this, so all of the up front, dealing with poverty and food security and jobs and workers and good education, while we're treating folks who are currently dealing with this disease, and i think we can start to do that regionally with creative solutions that allow medicaid to pay for services across states when it's behavioral health. we've eliminated co-pays for behavioral health services. >> this is something you're asking the federal government for help to do? >> you know, i didn't actually do that during -- we have very -- it's a limited who can ask questions and that sounds awful. we want to make sure we're all benefitting by a topic matter that we can all take back with us and get a sense of where the federal government is headed. but the western governors association, which is another really effective example about bipartisan work, we're interested in taking on

behavioral health in a more regional effort and following some of the best practices of north dakota, absolutely, is going to make its way into achievements and better outcomes in new mexico. >> governor moore, you're new on the job. what is it you plan to execute to deal with this problem? >> well, you know, i think what was said here is a really important point. we cannot go through the process, the idea that we're going to criminalize our way out of this. i think we've learned that throughout this process that we're dealing with behavioral health and mental health. when you look at the proposed budget we laid out, our proposed budget makes increases of 39% focusing exclusively on substance abuse disorders, making sure we're helping people when they're returning from incarceration, how are we dealing with elements of record expungement, job retraining, job re-skilling. making sure there's a better reintegration with the family. there has to be a larger way in the way that we are dealing with this challenge because it is true, we have spent two decades

now dealing with a behavioral health challenge, essentially by criminalizing it. there are long-term economic congresses, societal congresses, that in the state of maryland that we are aggressively pushing on with the way our administration is doing this work. >> we were looking at the research and maryland in one county they've had to use narcan on students 11 times in the past year. >> that's right. >> you're putting this in the schools because this is so common? >> because we have to. and that's the thing, as an administration, i would say, you know, as a leader i am data driven and heart led, right. i wear my heart on my sleeve, but i don't move without data. the data has been so clear about the damage that this has done to our communities, both urban and rural. >> children apparently? >> and children. to the point where we've now appointed a special secretary who is a former mayor of hagerstown who got into politics because of the issue of opioid addiction, had her best friend lost to an overdose, who is now serving as our special secretary

on this exact issue. >> you were nodding at the narcan in schools. >> absolutely. one of the biggest issues is -- >> this is a drug when someone overdoses to basically help them survive. >> narcan works for the most part. we can talk where it doesn't work. but schools, you need access points to schools. kids need to know that there is help there, what those systems are. rural access to care is huge. people have to understand it's not a 28-day problem, that's old-school thinking. sometimes recovery is a life-long journey. >> that's right. >> you need recovery friendly work places, wrap-around housing and those services. understand the fentanyl crisis, it's now being mixed with everything. it's in vape cartridges and marijuana and mixed with zi low zone, it's horrid. it negates the ability of narcan to revive you. and it's so the mixing of everything. i call it a cartel driven crisis. no longer over prescription. cart tells have such access and

basically creating their own markets. they're putting it in adderall. they're mixing it with black market adderall, xanax. >> how are people buying it? >> black market. as inflation goes up, more people buy their pharmaceuticals off line, they get adderall, and it becomes mixed or try to buy vape cartridges, and it comes mixed with fentanyl. the dealers know we might lose a couple but we will create addicts out of it. we have mixing, so many that overdose that had no idea they were doing fentanyl. >> we need to be careful in my view that we don't do this paradigm, you know, just shifting from one extreme to the other. absolutely organized crime and cartels, which are embedded in every state, have to be held accountable and we all collectively, that's a federal and state by state issue. >> you have asked the federal government tore more fbi agents. >> and they denied you that request, why? >> so far. i'm tenacious. i'm -- bet on me. i'll get those agents. to your point if we were all

using our national guard to some degree, we need them for our own state emergencies, but if we were doing drug interdeiction work, we're dealing with the bad guys and gals in this system and we need to do that collectively. instead, we're doing it, i do a little, you do a little. we should be doing it checktively. that's the right kind of leveraging. >> one thing we stopped using the word overdose. no one is making a choice to kill themselves as chris was saying. i mean, these people don't know what they're taking. we have an epidemic of just huge proportions like we've never had before, and you talked about fbi. one of the things that's happening across the western u.s. on all of the tribal lands, like the sovereign nations that we share geography with in north dakota, they don't have enough b.i. agents. >> the federal agents. >> so the bureau of indian affairs doing that drug interdiction, their staffing is way down, organized crime is preying on those tribal

communities, and that's where they're basing their operations out of. >> you're seeing that as well? >> we're seeing that too, yes. >> this is a huge topic, but i want to make sure i get to you on the issue of abortion because, of course, the supreme court threw this back to state capitals in june when they overturned roe versus wade. governor burgum, the last abortion provider in your state left after that supreme court decision. what has been the impact of that? >> well -- >> not having that care. >> in the case of this case because the last one was in fargo it moved about 400 yards now in minnesota. so the effect of people having access to care is really -- >> they leave. >> well, they leave but going 400 yards further east. this is what will happen across our nation. it's now back in the hands of states. north dakota has proven at the ballot box the citizens voting, our legislature very much is a pro life with exception states,

and this is a -- something that the state of north dakota has been pursuing a long time. as chris were talking about earlier, this is something states can decide and i think it ought to be decided at the state sflee level. >> it's a long way for feel travel if they're not in fargo. >> we're seeing women all across america come to new mexico. it is a long way to travel and what about after care and what about your family and what about the other potential family members like other small children. it is catastrophic. this is where i think constitutional rights are a federal matter. making sure that wherever i live in this country, one country, that my constitutional rights, my bodily autonomy, ought to be protected. with all due respect for people who have moral -- who morally oppose my position on abortion, they don't have to seek that care. but women whohat ca limed or

eliminated access and women die all across this country and we're going backward and i could not disagree more with my good friend doug about this being a state to state matter. >> specific issue, how you are planning to spin this forward. abortion legal in new hampshire, maryland, new mexico, the majority of abortions provide in this country happen via pill. there's a texas court decision that might strike down fda approval as i understand it. are you preparing and stockpiling the drug or planning at all? >> we are preparing as long as i'm the governor of the state of maryland maryland will be a safe haven for abortion rights. i believe abortion is health care. this is about how we are coming up with multiple ways of preparing for this and ensure that all women know that we believe that their health and safety and security and of the providers is something that should be guaranteed in the

state of maryland. >> are you stockpiling the drug? >>er with not stockpiling but we're in preparation. >> stockpiling mig b t ongquesti. do whaverugs aila inla a state is goingbeittl different, but you can get those in our public health system, we're moving towards tribal nations providing access in any number of ways including abortion, direct abortion care inside a clinic and the chilling effect of not having these medications now routinely manufactured, is they're used to treat men and women for other like bleeding ulcers. we're going to have deaths unrelated because doctors are saying in my state i can't prescribe this. so this decision could have an even more chilling effect, so we're trying to figure out ways, can we get a manufacturer, how much do we have, how long does it last, what are we doing about contraceptives and care and sex education and school based health centers, so all-of-the-above approach we're

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we find ourselves in another moment where global crisis seem to be converging and another reed minder for us about how to put it all into perspective. four times in the past eight days u.s. fighter jets scrambled to take out perceived threats, tens of thousands of feet above north america. >> that is a kill. the balloon is completely destroyed. >> the spy balloon and aerial objects are a wake-up call that u.s. isn't quite as insulated or as isolated as many like to think. record-level migration was already an unmistakable sign that failingrnamhifts and economic strain thousands of miles away end up on america's doorstep. as president biden pointed out friday, the two biggest democracies in the americas both recently withstood insurrections staged by far right mobs. >> both the united states and brazil, democracy prevailed.

>> democracy feels under strain in israel, where tens of thousands took to the streets saturday to protest against their new right wing government. meanwhile, ukraine's democracy continues its year-long battle to survive vladimir putin's brutal onslaught. nato warned last week that china is expanding its nuclear arsenal and so is north korea. kim jong-un paraded a dozen intercontinental ballistic missiles down pyongyang streets wednesday. if the food and migration crisis in drought stricken east africa wasn't already a sign of mother vacc nature's power she sent us another signal money monday, taken the lives of 28,000 and counting in turkey and syria. the ground does feel like it is shifting. global instability may be a constant for the near future and that may be a needed reminder to put our petty political disagreements in perspective.

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york. ♪ >> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." good evening and thank you for joining us. it has happened again. today another aerial object was shot down by u.s. warplanes amid bipartisan criticism about an absence of details regarding these incidents. the latest shootdown happened over lake huron following those over canada's yukon territory and off the coast of alaska and the carolinas. in a tweet representative elisa slotkin of michigan said the object was down by pilots from the u.s. air force and national guard. cbs's skyler henry starts us off tonight at the white house,

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