. ♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we're joined by the two leaders of that new house select committee on china. congressman mike gallagher and raja krishnamoorthi. welcome to the program. >> thank you. >> you have your first hearing on tuesday. what is the message you both hope to send with it? >> well, first, let me say how excited i am to work with ranking member krishnamoorthi. he's a hopeless bears fan but smart and clear eyed when it comes to the threat posed by the chinese communist party. i want to send a message that committee's work is going to be bipartisan. speaker mccarthy wants to be bipartisan and i believe besides its own people, what the chinese communist party fears is democrats and republicans working together to counter

aggression. >> can you maintain bipartisanship? the vote to create the committee was bipartisan, concerns bipartisan, but this spy balloon incident, it's gotten political very fast. how do you manage that? >> i echo the chairman's sentiment, though he is a packers fan, i am glad to work with him. look, i think you're right that spy balloon incident quickly became political, and, you know, unfortunately, some folks on the other side took it as an opportunity to bash the president with regards to the chinese communist party, even though on the whole, i think he handled it very well. mike is right that, you know, the chinese communist party likes nothing better than to have divisions between democrats and republicans. in fact, their chief political theorist, mr. wong has said that this is a huge weakness in america. democrats and republicans don't get along. so we have to get over that to be effective. >> so help me understand the purpose of this committee.

you have the house foreign affairs committee, the intelligence committee, this committee was focused as i under it on the chinese communist party threat including here in the u.s. what are the activities in the u.s.? congressman gallagher have been looking at chinese police stations on u.s. soil? >> the spy balloon situation illustrates this isn't just an over there problem, just a matter of some obscure china sea. this is a right here at home problem. this is a threat to our sovereignty. yesterday, i went with a committee member, democrat torres, to the site of one of the ccp police stations in the heart of new york used to harass and surveil chinese dissidents. we met with a group of chinese students on american campuses that have been subject to harassment and in some cases physical assault. we may call this a strategic competition, but it's not a tennis match. this is about what type of world we want to live. do we want to live in light or

the free world, free to speak our minds and free to choose our own future. >> you're referring to where there are concentration camps for muslim minorities in china. when you talk about the police station, 54 overseas police stations according to the spanish-based human rights watchdog. help me understand, the state department doesn't like this. the fbi doesn't like this. how is it possible this is on u.s. soil? >> well, unfortunately, there are certain nonprofit organizations that the chinese communist party has used to try to do espionage and crack down on tibetans, hong kongers, and uyghur activists. >> living in america. >> living in america. my state of the union guest was a uyghur activist whose family has been imprisoned in china because she is speaking out against the genocide against uyghurs in china, but one thing that i really want to bring to

everyone's attention is that just at the same time we are very concerned about the ccp going after chinese origin people here, we have to make sure that in our conversations about chinese origin people we don't engage in any ster he owe typing or questioning people's loyalty. skp one of my colleagues unfortunately attacked, judy chu, the first chinese american congresswoman in the united states congress, saying that somehow she's not loyal to the united states. i find that offensive as an asian american myself. i want to hear republicans also echo that sentiment that i just made because we have to make sure that in our conversations in the committee, we stay out of xenophobia and make sure we keep the focus on the chinese communist party. >> this was a bipartisan agreement to create the committee but house progressives voiced concerns because of what you said. the vice chair of the asian american caucus fear it will feed into bigotry. how do you stop your work from

being distorted? >> i would like to say i'm hoping that the chairman will echo my sentiments with regards to judy chu and the attack on her. we can't go that route. again, the chinese communist party loves it when we are internally fractious and they like it when we are stereotyping. we have to avoid that and we have to hold the chinese communist party accountable for specific activities and deal with those. >> i think he asked you to call one out. >> let me say, we should not question anybody's loyalty to the united states. i think that is out of bounds. it's beyond the pale. if there are concerns about a specific organization and as a matter of fact the china council for the promotion of peace unification is tied directly subordinate to the united front work department at the ccp we should work with our colleagues to apprise them that they might be tashtsz for ccp united front work, i'm a counterintelligence officer. we are a soft target in congress, but absolutely, we

shouldn't question loyalty. going forward what's critical and the reason we got the committee renamed to focus on the chinese communist party is the constantly make that distinction between the party and the people. the people are off the primary victims of the ccp's aggression and repression. >> so i read in the national review that you are going to require all of those testifying to disclose foreign ties, not just to the chinese communist party but given how extent suv the ties are in the business community, there is no difference according to u.s. intelligence between the state and the chinese business community, everyone's going to have to disclose this. how do you reassure people that this doesn't steer into joseph mccarthy territory? >> joseph mccarthy is from my district. we need not exhume his body and reanimate it. we must be aware of going overboard to try to win this competition from china. that being said, there are disclosure requirements similar

for most committees for testifying our bar is higher given the nature of our work. i'm confident we can work through the complexity. you're right, what makes this competition more complex in many ways than the old cold war, we never had to contemplate dekouming with the soviet unions because our economies didn't interact. as a military guy this is the most difficult area of competition, but we have to safeguard our own economy and make sure we're not financing genocide or pla modernization. >> pla the chinese military. ar you calling in the nba commissioner to test sni. >> we're hoping to have a conversation with the nba, disney, other companies that my constituents and others have voiced concern over. we haven't issued any announcement about hearings besides the one we're having on tuesday night. i think we can have a productive conversation with companies that have substantial business interests in china and we want to make sure that the power of

the chinese economy is not seducing companies into betraying american companies. >> you have subpoena power. >> we do. >> will you use it. >> if we want someone to testify and believe it's essential to the committee fashion, i want to do it in a bipartisan fashion. >> at the heart of this committee we do not have a quarrel with the people of china. the differences that we are with the ccp, chinese communist party, and many of our businesses have ties with the chinese economy where some of te most intertwined economies in the world. how do we continue to engage the people's republic of china, but at the same time protect ourselves, our values and interests and alliances with our partners and friends and others in the indo-pacific region. >> and i imagine your issues with disney and the nba have to do with things like changing messages to censor things that can't be said that are critical? >> the nba incident caught a lot of attention.

here you had an nba executive who merely tweeted support for hong kong protesters and remember, these people in many cases were in the streets waving american flags so they look to us for leadership, and then the nba quickly moved to silence that. we want to make sure that american companies are acting lik americans and embracing american values like free speech and plurality and things like that. that's the concern. >> congressman krishnamoorthi, i know that when you got back, congressman gallagher from taiwan, you issued a statement that was skating in terms of backlog use of weapons to taiwan. do you consider there to be slowness on the part of the administration or is this more of an issue with private industry, just having such supply chain constraints right now? >> it's a little bit of the latter. under the biden administration and on a bipartisan basis in congress, under the national defense authorization act, from the last congress, we took unprecedented steps to provide

additional armaments under the taiwan relations act, under which we are obligaed to provide articles of defense to taiwan, but we need to do more. what we know is that the ccp, as you said in your last interview with cia director burns, is -- wants to have the capability to successfully invade taiwan by 2027 if not sooner. that means we have to arm or help supply taiwan's defense even more rapidly than we are right now. for instance, by working with private industry to unwind splchs, introduce more competition, into the mix to allow for smaller businesses and entities to provide more agile and nimble supplies of armaments. the bottom line is, we've got to hustle because at the end of the day, we want to discourage and deter aggression on the part of the ccp. >> so you're saying your intentions here are coming from a genuine place. the concern for policymakers sometimes is that they get boxed

in by mpolitics. >> you know this. >> everyone running for in the 2024 is going to vow to be tough on china. how do you actually get something done in a space it's going to become really, really hot? >> well, i think we can identify sort of the bipartisan center of gravity on china. we're not naive and not going to agree on 100% of everything. there's going to be meaningful disagreements within all the 2024 contenders. i want both sides to look to the committee as the area for the most forward leaning, innovative and bipartisan policy in legislation on china. i think there are things we can do. when it comes to clearing the backlog, that's a bipartisan issue. it predates the biden administration to be sure. i agree with wraj if we want to prevent another collapse of deturns against the taiwan strait we should be working to give taiwan the resources they need to defend themselves. we can be effective. >> two questions. you want to hold a hearing in taiwan i read.

that is going to happen? can you get tiktok banned as you both are trying to do? >> who goes first? >> yeah. >> well, it would be -- technically you could do a field naerg a foreign country. i've been to taiwan and i think it's valuable for members go there. i'm hoping to bring a bipartisan group at the appropriate time and perhaps we could do a field hearing in guam on the way back. but again, we have our first hearing on tuesday. we're going to pass rules the morning of. we got to crawl a little bit and then walk and maybe we can run with our fan fancy field hearings. >> is this the year tiktok gets banned? >> i don't think it's going to get banned. i think what we're asking for is tiktok is owned by bytedance required to provide its user data, including on the 140 million americans, as well as control of algorithms to the chinese communist party upon request. all we're saying is, if tiktok is going to operate here, don't have that user data and algorithms controlled by an

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for my one-of-a-kind skin and there's no other skin i want to be in. the investigation of former president trump in fulton county, georgia, took a strange turn last week. mr. trump's lawyers argue it could impact a possible trial. at the center of the controversy, emily, the forewoman for the special grand jury that investigated alleged election interference in georgia by trump and his allies gave interviews in which she hinted more than a dozen key players, perhaps even the former president, might have been recommended for indictments. now special grand juries can't indict, but that recommendation could prompt the district attorney to create a criminal grand jury. the judge overseeing the case told cnn last week that although the deliberations are confidential, quote, what witnesses said, what you put in the report, those are not off

limits to those on the jury. the attorneys for president trump in the georgia case had not given an interviewv twk,uthe media tour prompted them to talk to our robert costa. >> i kind of wanted to subpoena the former president i got to swear everybody in and i thought it would be cool to get 60 seconds with president trump. >> did you recommend charges against donald trump? >> i really don't want to share something that judge made a conscious decision not to share. >> do emily's public disclosures jeopardize the case that could be brought by fani willis coors is part of a grand jury that heard testimony from 75 witnesses about alleged republican efforts to pressure state officials like secretary of state brad raffensperger to overturn president biden's victory in georgia. >> look, brad, i got to get -- i have to find 12,000 votes and i

have them. >> reporter: coors suggested the special grand jury submitted a report to willis that recommended multiple indictments on a range of charges. but willis has yet to decide whether or not to convene a criminal grand jury that could issue indictment against some trump allies and even the former president himself. drew finley and jennifer little head up the former president's legal team in the georgia case. they say that emily coors media tour has tainted any attempt by district attorney willis to move toward charging trump. >> what are your options? >> are the results of that special purpose grand jury to be crumbled like a piece of paper and thrown into a waste paper basket. our options are can this district attorney continue to be part of this case. we have to legally research all of those issues. >> have you lost confidence in the district attorney? >> we've lost 100% confidence in this process. we feel this process has been

compromised. >> reporter: emily coors, they say, is not to blame. >> this 30-year-old foreperson to us has actually provided us a lens and made us aware that every suspicion we had as to this questionable process, was, in fact, a reality. >> she didn't break any rules, though? right? she might maye have broken a norm. the grand jury was over by the time she went on the media tour as you put it. what did she do wrong in your view legally? >> we have no chagrin towards this foreperson and looks like they lost perspective over keeping separation between prosecuting attorneys and the members of this grand jury. there cannot be a relationship when the foreperson uses the word we, that lets you know there's a relationship there. when she says certain battles were not worth us battling, it's not the special purpose grand jury that's litigating, it's the district attorney's office. >> it wouldn't be worth the

battle they decided to call your client in, former president trump in as a witness, a public statement she made. >> who knows what that is based on. >> he wasn't called in the special grand jury part of this investigation. did that surprise you? if he was called, would you have fought that subpoena? >> i'm not going to speak to what our legal decisions would have been. but it was surprising and particularly once we heard the reasons why he wasn't called, when we had our foreperson of this grand jury speaking about how excited and cool it would have been to be able to look at donald trump, the former president of the united states, for 60 seconds, but that they just determined that given the resources and the other witnesses they had heard of, they didn't need to have any more evidence at that point, it's concerning that that was the level of diligece that was

shown in that decision and it was surprising, frankly. >> if former president trump is indicted, willis can certainly expect a legal battle from trump's lawyers. >> we absolutely do not believe that our client did anything wrong, and if any indictments were to come down, those are faulty indictments and we will absolutely fight anything tooth and nail. >> reporter: willis and the district attorney's office declined to comment. for "face the nation," robert costa, atlanta. and we'll be right back.

friday marked one year of the war in ukraine, a sobering day around the world. our charlie d'agata was in ukraine when the war started, and he filed this report from ukraine for us. >> it's up to you. i was thinking this is the front line. >> reporter: we're taken to an unspecified front line position north of bakhmut. two things about ukrainian soldiers, they're really sensitive about sharing locations for obvious reasons, and they really don't want us to get hurt.

. >> this friend. >> friendly fire? some incoming, some outgoing. >> what do you want to do? this is the front line. >> i know. >> stay those to the building, they tell us. split up. russian mortar teams aim for people in clusters. one of the soldiers was a martyr guy himself and said if he was on the other side he would have already launched a volley at us by now. we hurried to get on with the job. >> okay. let's try one. >> reporter: the sound of explosions has been nonstop both outgoing and incoming. this is the last ukrainian held village before the russian front line about three miles in that direction. commanders tell us the front line is only moved a few hundred yards in the past couple months. in some cases the soldiers are holding off the russians use nothing more than automatic weapons. this is what a stalemate looks and sounds like.

getting that hot? >> they're worried. >> reporter: the explosions haven't stopped the entire time that we've been here. is it always like this? >> always. >> always. >> reporter: if it feels like the world is growing weary of this senseless war after a year of fighting, imagine how ukrainians feel. we were here when the invasion began, when the capital itself was coming under attack and each time we have returned we've been shocked by the staggering and growing toll of the war. even in virtual ghost towns in eastern ukraine, the few residents who remain, still manage a kind of life, sustained largely with the help of volunteers, food, and aid from around the world. she survived the russian occupation and the months of bombardment that followed when

they pulled out and pummeled the neighbors. >> this is when it began. this is the occupation. so may, june, july, august, september. >> yes. >> reporter: getting aid to the other side of the river is more difficult. the ukrainians blew up the bridge, forcing the russian retreat. this temporary pedestrian bridge will do for now. they don't want to allow vehicles to cross in case the russians try to come back. the sheer sadness and unnecessary suffering, can be overwhelming. just over a year ago, most of this country was at peace. overnight, the entire country was at war. a brutal war, with no end in sight. >> charlie d'agata reporting from ukraine. we'll be right back.

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the cleanup continues following that toxic train derailment that happened more than three weeks ago, but the epa has ordered norfolk southern to pause shipments of hazardous waste out of east palestine and they will eventually resume, but under the oversight of the epa. meanwhile, the cdc is on the ground as concerns linger about any long-term health effects from chemical, po sure. that's it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

this is the "cbs overnight news." >> good evening and thanks for joining us tonight. more than 10 million people from texas to missouri are threatened by severe and dangerous weather. oklahoma could see the worst of it with thunderstorms forecast to bring destructive winds as powerful as category 2 hurricanes. tornados are possible. the same storm system impacted southern california this weekend. look at those pictures. a mix of misery and it's not over. cbs' joy benedict leads us of tonight from los angeles.