welcome back to "face the nation." we want to continue our conversation with illinois governor j.b. pritzker. thank you for staying with us through the break. i want to follow up on something you said right before we took that break. you want to make sure people know who they are and not to vote for them. you were talking about republicans you said trying to do things like ban teaching black history, ban books, and ban crt. are you talking about people in illinois? who are you talking about? where is that happening? >> you asked me about skoobs. >> yeah. >> i'm telling you we have people running at the local level who believe that, but, of course, the republicans are carrying this as a national message and honestly, it's most americans.s offensive to -

this idea of banning black history, it's important for people to understand the history of slavery in the united states, you know, and our entire u.s. history, warts and all. >> okay. in florida, where i think you're gesturing to, they are not banning black history. it was specifically that am college course. that's what you're referring to there? that version of it? >> when they're trying to dive in and take over an ap history exam and edit it and edit out parts they don't like, that's banning history. that's what they're doing in florida. that's what ron desantis is doing. >> okay. a potential 2024 candidate. i want to ask you about the issue of abortion because i know you are one of 20 democratic governors very much deeply involved in trying to build a firewall here against restrictions. there's a texas judge who may soon decide a case that could revoke the approval of the

abortion pill, which is the most common kind of abortion in this country. if there is a ruling to restrict it, how will governors respond? what will you do? >> well, in illinois, we protect the other abortion drugs that are available, and we protect women's right to express their reproductive freedom. so we're helping our clinics in illinois, we're making sure that all the refugees from the states around us that have banned abortion, know that there's an oasis here in the midwest, here in the state of illinois, to protect their health and their reproductive rights. >> walgreens is an illinois-based pharmacy. you called in their ceo roz brewer for a meeting on friday. they had announced they won't sell abortion pills in states in which republican attorneys general have threatened legal action. can you get them to change the policy and that -- they're still

waiting, i guess, on certification to sell the pill in illinois itself. can you get them approval? >> well, that's something that happens at the federal level, but i offered to them to work with the federal government to try to speed up the process of certification. they want to certify it in illinois and they want to be able to sell it here, so we're going to help in any way that they ask us to. but look, on a broader scale, we should just recognize that these pharmacies need to protect women's health. that is the business that they should be in, and so in states where it's legal to have an abortion and legal it to sell an abortion pill, they should still be doing it and i've told them that. we need to make sure that the other pharmacies do the same. >> well waee'll be following th. i want to ask you about crime as an issue for democrats. in the city of chicago, the mayor lori lightfoot just failed to make the runoff in the democratic primary. she was challenged by a former

school ceo backed by a police union and the cook county commissioner who was endorsed by the chicago teacher's union. i'm wondering what the takeaway message is here for democrats? don't take on the teacher unions as she did or to focus more on violent crime? >> well, it was a messy primary, there's no doubt about it. nine candidates, nobody got 50% or near 50%. so we have a runoff coming up. i think of these two candidates, they have to make sure their messages are clear what they're going to do to protect health care, to address crime. frankly, they have not been specific on a lot of these issues, and i'm asking them to be. >> governor, thank you very much for your time today. >> thanks, margaret. we turn now to ohio congressman brad wenstrup, who chairs the select subcommittee on the coronavirus pandemic. doctor, welcome to the program. >> thank you. >> there are 18 different

intelligence agencies in this country, no consensus on covid's origins, two undecided, four say it was natural transmission and we learned the energy has joined the fbi saying the virus likely spread through a mishap at a chinese lab. is all of the evidence circumstantial? have you seen the intelligence? >> i've seen quite a bit of intelligence as you might imagine sitting on the intelligence committee. we haven't seen all we want to see necessarily, and some of it is he very classified that i have seen, and so we have to continue driving forward and getting questions answered because mort we find, the more questions that we may have. so you do have a variety of opinions, and really, what we are trying to do is to follow the breadcrumbs, if you will, look at the forensics of what took place. obviously, this is one of the more serious things that has ever happened to mankind, and so it is important to find the origins of covid. >> do you expect the fbi and

energy department to testify to your committee? >> there may come a time for that. i would hope that they do it willingly. >> if this was, indeed, the result of a lab leak, what is congress doing to prevent this from ever happening again? >> i'm hoping at the end of the day with the subcommittee that we have a bipartisan product that can help us with our readiness going into the future. i keep using a variety of terms that we want to be able to predict a pandemic, we want to prepare for a pandemic, we want to protect ourselves from a pandemic, and hopefully prevent a pandemic. that should be our goal. we're going to have to work with a lot of scientists and specialists to be able to do that, but we have to get to the truth of what actually happened in this pandemic. >> in terms of the specifics, i know the white house is said to be considering recommendations from the national science advisory board for biosecurity to put oversight on gain of function experiments, the things that i guess genetically alter a virus to enhance its functions

and maybe make it more deadly. this is allegedly what was happening at this lab in wuhan. would you want this kind of regulation, and does that come from the white house or come from congress? >> well, it may be a combination of both at the end of the day, and i think it is important that we do that. look f we were taking taxpayer dollars to fund research not only in the united states, but in china, concerning this type of methodology, the creation of gain of function research where you can take two viruses and put them into one, i don't see a whole lot of commercial use for that necessarily. if it's going to take place, it certainly should have oversight or should have had oversight. in 2015, ralph baric of north carolina, along with dr. xi in china, published their article about the ability to create these cry miras and they did that. we know this technology exists. my real question is why are we doing this with an adversary like china?

we have to look into what the reasoning was for that, and what actually took place, where the money went, and why did it go there? >> well, i know that there has been a lot of focus on dr. fauci who has since retired from nih, and i wonder if you think that is misplaced to personalize the scrutiny so much when the intelligence agencies are also divided. can you reasonably probe this question, in a bipartisan way, without villainizing people? >> well, i think that's the goal. i just want to get to facts. when i was asked to chair this select subcommittee, one of the first things i did was call the democrat from california, emergency physician, as physicians we have worked on many bills today, and we get along very well. we may disagree on a lot of other policies, but we work very well together, especially when it comes to health. >> i think a lot of people would welcome just sticking to the facts which is why i want to ask you about the membership on your

committee because you have marjorie taylor greene on it, shared misleading information about deaths and covid vaccines. she compared vaccines to nazis forcing jews to wear gold stars. dr. ronny jackson who said masks never worked. he called the omicron variant the midtermct how doeour commteek wit members like this on it? >> i think we have a lot of serious members that -- on both sides of the aisle that are just after the truth. i think that they come from a variety of backgrounds. look, there were things that were said, hey, this is a conspiracy theory, stop this conspiracy theory that it may have come from the lab. well now you have agencies that are coming forward and saying that we do think it came from the lab. look, we have to conduct ourselves in a way that is professional and i hope that we will. i can't control everybody, and that goes on both sides of the aisle. dr. ruiz can't either. but at the same time, what i'm seeing from all the members is

that they have backgrounds of severe interests, significant interests. they either owned a business, they're health care providers, they're concerned about the adverse events that came come from the vaccine. these are legitimate things for americans to be concerned about. through this process i think we took doctors out of the equation all too often and left it up to non-physicians to tell america how to treat themselves. >> you're from ohio. i want to make sure i ask you about what was a second train derailment from norfolk southern in your state yesterdayop of toxic one. president biden has praised some of the bipartisan legislation in the senate that would up railway safety. do you see a need for this kind of legislation right now? >> well, certainly, in any after action review or review of something happened, if we see that there's some gaps in our safety, then we should take a look at that. let's not put things out there that aren't necessarily facts and say that it was a safety issue if it wasn't, but at the

same time, you want to address these issues. look, we're always trying to do better. i hope that we can. the other thing that i would like to see come out of all this, especially with the one where there cl toxic reaction with the fires that were started from the derailment, do we have a standard operating procedure of how we manage a community, what our reaction is from the government, and what are we looking for and protect our people? make sure we have a good standard operating procedure so although these instances are rare, according to the numbers, we have to be prepared for that 0.1% or whatever the case may be. >> dr. wenstrup, we'll be watching the hearing this week. thanks for your time. we'll be right back

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in the past on this program that we will likely never know the origin of covid-19, short of finding the exact animal that carried the virus or a smoking gun proving that it accidentally leaked out of the lab. you said both theories were plausible. has anything changed that makes you more certain now? >> well, look, i think there's enough information in the public domain to create a presumption this could have come out of a lab, maybe a strong presumption. we have seen some incremental reporting, and there's classified information that hasn't been made public, that even congress hasn't seen in this instance, and i think based on that premise the likelihood this came out of a lab we may never be able to prove it with certainty, we should start behaving like it did come out of a lab and take steps. there's a lot of things that happened around the labs in

crea sppy condition. wuhan, that they were doing high risk research in low level security labs, risky research. you heard the congressman talk about the gain of function research going on in that lab. the chinese military was operating in that lab simultaneously. we need to look at all those things. i would be focusing on the activities in and around that lab and deriving from that what steps we need to take going toward to make sure we get better security around high risk research if this did come out of a lab, it's not going to happen again. >> and we've talked on this program to matt pottinger who served in the trump administration who said intelligence needs to be a more robust part of the pandemic protection, and i know you agree with that. you know, there was a piece in "the new york times" by david wallace wells an opinion piece called "we've been talking about the lab leak theory all wrong" and the argument is that lean into the labor and look at how to prevent lab leaks.

he's calling for things like a national registration on research based on risks and benefits, new safety standards, global governance to go with this as well. why doesn't that exist, and why suspect that being created? >> yeah. i think it should be. we're three years into this. there's recommendations on the president's desk and we need to start getting serious looking at what steps need to be put in place. we're still stuck on the debate about whether it was or wasn't a lab leak. i think we should work on assumption there's a prodbabiliy it was a lab leak and the protections with we need. the congressman made the point there wasn't a commercial prerogative of doing that research. certainly if it's going to take place, conduct it and be a lab, high security labs, under strict conditions where we know what's going on and don't outsource it to labs in china. sometimes the highest risk experiments get outsourced to the worst labs around the world

because they're the ones willing to do the experiments. if we're going to do high risk research because we think it's important from a national security standpoint, that's the only context with which this would make sense, there isn't a commercial context this would make sense, we need to get better control over it. to matt pottinger's point we need the intelligence agencies engaged in this as a part of their national security mission and look at public health preparedness through a national security lens. i think we're doing that now, but we need to be explicit about that. that does mean surveillance around some of the high risk activities that can create these kinds of risks. >> so that's the white house and that's the intelligence agencies, rather than a congressional mandate? >> look, congress certainly has a role here. i think that congress could start coming up with a list of recommendations to the administration. the administration has recommendations from independent bodies. ultimately, this is going to be federal rules that get imposed on research funded by the

federal government, as well as what we try to do through international conventions, working with the w.h.o. and the world health assembly to get international agreements in place and what countries are and aren't going to be willing to do. you can't prevent rogue regimes from doing this research. that's where the intelligence agencies come in to do monitoring to see if regimes can create conditions for a lab leak inadvertently or deliberately. >> the biden administration has called on china to release more information and tved aut tha in november on this program. i also want to ask you about what we just learned about president biden's health. he had this skin cancer diagnosis, basal cell carcinoma lesion removed. given his age is there any reason to worry more about it? >> >> there's no reason to be concerned about this particular lesion. this is a slow growing cancer confined to the surface of the skin that can be excised with a small surgical procedure.

sounds like the president had this fully removed and shouldn't reoccur. it typically doesn't spread. these kinds of lesions typically occur in regions of the body that are exposed to sun. it is related to exposure to uv light. you typically see it on the neck or face. for awareness it's not like melanoma where it appears as a dark irregular lesion. it will appear as a clear and waxy lesion, maybe scaly. it has a different appearance. the president should be cured of this through a small surgical procedure to remove it. >> dr. glottlieb always good to talk to you. we'll be right back with a look at the anniversary of a major milestone in the civil rights movement.

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president biden will travel to selma, alabama, later today to commemorate the 58th anniversary of bloody sunday, a landmark event for the civil rights movement and for the late congressman john lewis. in 2015 bob schieffer visited selma with john lewis and crossed the legendary edmund petttus bridge. >> this week marks 50 years since the shooting of jimmy lee jackson whose death at the hands of a highway patrolman at a

peaceful protest inspired one of the iconic events of the civil rights movement, the selma, alabama, march. >> movement leaders had chosen selma as the place to dramatic tize the demand for the right to vote. after jackson's death, a 54-mile march from selma to montgomery was planned. fiery young activist john lewis was one of the leaders. >> your marching to our state capitol to drama tize to our nation and the world our determination to win first-class citizenship. >> the march was not to be. the protesters ran into trouble soon after they started as they tried to cross the edmund pettus bridge. i had never been to selma, but with the anniversary of that march looming, i went there yesterday and walked across that bridge with now congressman john lewis and asked him what was going through his mind on that fateful day. >> we were marching in twos in

an orderly peaceful, nonviolent fashion on our way to montgomery to drama tize to the nation that people wanted to register to vote. i really thought we would be arrested and jailed that day. >> when did you realize when you got to the high point here, that's when you saw all of the law enforcement people down there? >> we saw down below the state troopers and behind the state troopers the sheriff on horseback. >> you have to disperse. >> we got to the bottom of the bridge. >> see that they turn around and disperse. >> and they came toward us beating us with night sticks, using tear gas and trammelling us with their horses. >> you were right in the front. >> i was in the very front. >> you were among the first that was hit? >> i was the first person to be hit. and i still have the scar on m

forehead. i was knocked down. my legs just went out from under me. i thought i was going down this bridge. i said to myself, this is the last protest for me. >> what happened? do you remember anything after that? >> i remember being back atchur. i don't recall how i got back to the church. apparently someone carried me back. someone asked me to say something to the audience. i stood up and said, i don't understand how president johnson can send troops to vietnam and cannot send troops to selma, alabama, to protect people whose only desire is to register to vote. >> and then in a matter of weeks, of course, he is it send the troops and you were able to make that march to selma. >> there is no cause for pride in what has happened in selma. their cause must be our cause

too. >> you have two weeks later, after president johnson delivered that speech, we did make the march all the way from selma to montgomery. it was a sea of humanity marching on this highway. >> you did have people protecting you then all the way. >> all the way, people inspecting the bridges along the way, guarding the camps at night. it was our military, our military at its best. >> you know, congressman, a lot of people who were not there, who didn't know how it was, they don't know how different it is now. >> well, it's a different world. back in 1965, only 2.1% of black were registered to vote in this county. you had to go down to the county courthouse. it was the only place you could attempt to register on the first and third mondays of each month. you had to pass a so-called

literary rahsy test. there were asked the number of jelly beans in a jar. people stood and moved in line. >> things are better but not as good as they ought to be. >> things much better but we're not there yet. we still have problems and we will get there. selma was the turning point. >> we'll be right back. in nine months on golo 138 pouns and taking release. since taking release, my sleep is way better. my inflammation has gone way down. i'm nonstop now, i feel way better than i did before. i don't sit down in life anymore. i got this mountain bike for only $11. dealdash.com the fair and honest bidding site. this kitchenaid mixer sold for less than $26. this i-pad sold for less than $43. and this playstation 5 sold for less than a dollar. i won these bluetooth headphones for $20. i got these three suitcases for less than $40. and shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right

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that's it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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