. welcome back to "face the nation." we want to return now to our conversation with house foreign affairs chairman michael mccaul. now, chairman, i mentioned that you held this hearing on afghanistan this past week and it was pretty emotional. >> yeah. >> you're really coming chaotic withdrawal from that country and you had a marines corps sergeant injured in the suicide bombing who testified he was an eyewitness and actually saw the suicide bomber before the attack. he testified he has never been interviewed as part of the u.s. investigation. how was this overlooked? >> i think it's very -- well, first of all, very powerful testimony, very emotional, but very devastating and damaging to the administration.

these snipers and troops were put and surrounded by the taliban -- >> the airport in kabul. >> in kabul. that's the airport. and surrounded by the taliban who were put in charge, and that was the first mistake in the chaos that we heard that happened that day and the state department virtually nonexistent. i think the most dramatic thing, margaret, was the fact that this sniper had the suicide bomber in his sights and an intelligence bulletin went out describing him. he said this is -- this meets the description, meets with the team, siyops run this up the chain of command and the commanding officer says i don't have the authority and they said who does have the authority for permission to engage and the commanding officer says, i don't know, and he never got back to them. the point is they could have

taken out the threat. enthen when the suicide bomber went off, not only did marine sergeant vargas andrews have his leg blown off and his arm, but we have we had 140 afghans killed, 13 servicemen and women killed. i talked to the mother of one of the marine sergeants and gave her just a hug. she was so devastated. in addition to 50 injured, including marine sergeant vargas a andrews. it could have been avoided. >> to the point of how it could have been avoided. there were intelligence failures, events got ahead of planning. the state department argues they've briefed congress more than 150 times since the withdrawal. what information do you need that you don't have yet? >> well, i think the compelling testimony we got from the sniper. we've never heard this before. in fact, margaret, this is the first open hearing we've had on

afghanistan since the fall of afghanistan. i intend to move forward with this actioinvestigation and wanw what commanding officer was thinking when he denied permission to take out threat and what levels did it go to within the united states government? i think those are all very important questions. and the state department has not been compliant with our document request. i met with the secretary. we had a very cordial conversation. cooperation is always key. but they're not cooperating. if he fails to cooperate with my document production request by, you know, the time he testifies on march 23rd, i am prepared to issue a subpoena. >> issue a subpoena for an tony blinken to testify before your committee. what exactly do you think he's withholding? >> he will be testifying, but we have an outstanding document production request that the lawyers are very combative.

i think the secretary, in good faith, has told me he wants to cooperate with this investigation, be transparent to the american people, but we're not seeing that with the lawyers handling this on the ground. so we need these documents because a lot of this stuff, to your point, margaret, has never been brought out to the public. >> this is the dissent cable specifically that you are requesting, people in the state department disagreeing with the policy that was the administration's planning? >> it's the dissent cable, extraordinary measure to have 23 members of the state department at the embassy dissenting with the policy, the action report from the ambassador, but also, the plan of evacuation. just a simple plan of evacuation. what was your plan? they have failed to deliver that to congress. those are three key areas that we want to see compliance with. >> all right. congressman, we will be watching that. i know there are a number of

other issues we'll talk to you about some time soon including china, but i have to leave it there for today. and turn now to chris kebs, former director of the infrastructure agency and a cbs news expert and analyst. good to have you here. >> good morning. >> before we get to what's happening with the silicon valley bank, i want to ask you about what has happened with this data breach? we learned on wednesday that certain members of the house and senate were told personal data, including like home addresses and social security numbers, was taken from a d.c. health insurance provider. like 56,000 people. and then that information is being sold. >> yes. >> online. who is behind this? >> a cyber criminal known as intel broker. it's not clear immediately who that person is or where they live. but they have been involved in previous data breaches and attempting to sell information on certain dark web markets, and

the point here is that you steal the information and someone buys it and then they can monetize it through fraud and identity theft and things like that. intel broker, has previously claimed they had access to u.s. federal agencies. this is a different case where they've taken information and put it online and made it available for sale. fbi was able to get in and buy some of this information. it's not clear if by buying that information it was deleted on the other end. but, you know, that's what happens in this very, very vibrant cyber criminal ecosystem. >> what more does the u.s. government need to do to protect, you know -- some of these staffers and lawmakers are at risk here. how do you protect against that and is this a state actor? is there any involvement? >> again, it's not clear who the actor is. it's a cyber criminal and possibly a russian linked cyber criminal. russia allows a pervasive and

permissive environment for cyber criminals and actually helps kind of broader russian tragic objective to undermine continents and the u.s.'s ability to protect citizens and brings a significant amount of revenue into russia. what happens next is kind of the question. so for one, some of the markets where intel broker was selling this information, they've deactivated the intel broker account reportedly. in part because these markets don't want undue attention. they don't want the fbi coming in and shutting it down. they try to stay below the radar. same kind of thing happened after the colonial pipe pipeline breach we spoke about. what will happen now if the information is available for sale, who buys it? >> yeah. >> likely, again, fraudsters, but also possibly security services of our adversaries looking to get information on members of congress for building their own ports and dossiers, political operatives could buy it for opposition research and

other researches, but the hope is by kind of shading them out of the market and the fbi's disruptive operations they can ensure this is not weaponized and not information used for nefarious purposes. >> you talked to tech companies and start-up companies, i know. a number of the businesses that had their accounts or loans with silicon valley bank are very worried right now. >> yes. >> they don't have access to cash, even just to pay employees. >> right. >> what are you hearing? like what is the level of panic here? >> the biggest challenge right now with these companies, again, it is 50% of vc-backed u.s. companies. >> venture capital. >> banked with silicon valley. it's approximately 60,000 companies. the challenge they're having right now is that they don't have access to information, in addition to access to their money. i've talked to a number of companies that ar banked with svb, silicon valley bank, and they've not heard anything over the weekend. here's the challenge, though.

most companies pay -- issue payroll on the 15th and the last day of the month. the 15th is wednesday. to make payroll on this upcoming wednesday, you have to have that money in the bank tomorrow to process. >> yeah. >> by not having access to information, what money they will have access to tomorrow to process payroll, they're now lining up alternative sources of funding. in some cases we're seeing predatory loans. it would be helpful, as congressman khanna pointed out, if we could get some clarity on the situation and as the secretary mentioned, some guarantees for those depositors in place today. if a deal comes through today and access to funding is open tomorrow, that's fantastic. but we've got to have some certainty and these company executives need information and clarity on what's happening so they can take care of their employees or otherwise we're going to see furloughs in the tech industry. >> you heard the treasury secretary say we are in touch or through the fdic are in touch

with depositors, but you are also saying, publicly, there needs to be clear statements of confidence to sheore things up? >> we're not getting that right now. this is what congressman khanna was talking about with the speed of twitter. information travels quickly. you can have runs on the bank, but you need to get that information out there in the hands of the 60,000 companies banked there, over 250,000 fdic insured limits, so that they can also communicate to their employees. no one wants to miss a paycheck and there are millions of employees with paychecks at stake next week. >> and i did think it was interesting, because some have said to me, you know, these are medium-sized, small companies, startups. this isn't big, bad wall street, right. it's a little bit more politically easy to convince the public if you want to step in and help smaller businesses, but

what is happening with the politics of this? >> well, in part, i think that most of your viewers probably hadn't even heard of silicon valley bank until thursday night, friday morning. this is the economic engine of the united states of america. this is the innovation engine. this is a lot of the future, the tech competition we talk about with china and others, this is where it's happening and these are the front lines and we need to ensure that depositors, not the shareholders and the bank, but the depositors in the bank have certainty so we don't see further runs on tech friendly banks next week that go into systemically important banks. we need the diversity in the banking system so we don't concentrate risk at the top and have a much more fragile banking industry. >> the next few hours may be key, and we'll be watching for any update on that. we've heard -- the israeli prime minister has spoken on this and the british finance secretary has spoken on this. now the treasury secretary.

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basically a trainwreck and we got elected to fix it and re-elected to continue to fix it. that is job number one, period, full stop. i'm a former u.s. ambassador, which in my case was at the federal republic of germany, and therefore, the international stuff is -- continues to be important to us. new jersey is one of the most international american states, so direct investment, relations abroad matter a lot. i'm honored to chair as the national governors association as well as the democratic governors association, so we have a few balls in the air, but new jersey is job number one. >> well, the suggestion is that you might have political ambitions here in this town when your term is up in 2026. have you considered running for in the. >> i will say this. i have 1,000% behind president biden and i haven't really looked beyond that. i'm certain he's going to run. he deserves to run. he's earned that right.

i think he's had a great run here, and i'm going to be 1,000% behind him. >> why does the announcement for his re-election keep sliding? it was february. and now april. if you're certain he's doing it, why not make it official? >> i'm not sure i have any inside information on that. i don't think historically that he's necessarily out of line when other incumbents have announced re-election. we're all sort of expecting it's next week or next month, whatever it might be, my guess is it's sooner than later, but that's something the president himself will decide. >> way tonight get to some of the issues want to run on and get your insight, but i want to quickly ask you about silicon valley bank because new jersey is, of course, adjacent to the financial hub of the country in new york city, and so there is concern about the overall banking sector. how concerned are you here? >> concerned, but not panicked and i think that's the place we need to be. depositors and workers in the companies whose deposits are in

that bank need to be job number one. we've got a big innovation economy in new jersey, so we've spent the weekend trying to make sure we're out ahead of this. we don't have a whole lot of exposure to svb per se, but we do have a lot of tech companies. so our economic development authority is preparing a package largely focused on liquidity, to be there in case we need to be there. so concerned, you have to be, when you have a bank of this size go down, but i don't think there's any need to panic, and i'm certain that the authorities at the federal level are working feverishly to come up with some sort of solution sooner than later. >> when you say liquidity, you're talking about the state stepping in to help some of the businesses that operate in new jersey. >> the start-up culture, the start-up tech firms in particular, we want to make sure that as we did during the covid pandemic, that we are there for them, whether it's loans or whatever the case may be, we want to make sure we're not dragged by this.

we are trying to stay out ahead of it. >> i also want to ask you about education in your state. you've taken aim at ron desantis the governor of florida widely expected to be running for president. you said he's politicizing political culture wars ahead of academic success, faulted him for the dismissal of the ap african american studies course. he wouldn't be doing that if he didn't think it resonates for him. why do you think it resonates for democrats to engage in these culture wars back and forth? >> we ask ourselves the question in substance do we believe in teaching our whole history, the good, the bad, ugly, nothing but the truth? the answer affirmatively is yes. in this case, ap african american studies, new jersey has one high school teaching it this year. we're expanding it to 26 next year. he's just trying to divide us. he's trying to change the subject. he's doing it for political reasons, i assume. we want to come back and say, listen, what is thubce?

what do we owe our residents and we believe strongly we owe them the ability to read the books, to talk about our history whether we like it or not, let's make sure we teach our country's history, the truth and nothing but the truth. >> on the substance, when it comes to this particular college board ap class, initially there were criticisms of the program and you said they got rolled by desantis because you think he convinced them to delete parts of black history. if it's flawed academic, why are you expanding it to 26 schools? >> first of all they did get rolled. they claim they were not rolled, but let's call that for what it is, theyot rolled. florida weighed in heavily. >> the state college board disputes. >> yes. the good news is, you have a fair amount of latitude in terms of what you actually -- the curriculum looks like at the district level, but asked before, does this mean that everything is 100% the way you

would teacht? n suris or isn't, btee mis, it must be taught and you have latitude in terms of constructing that curriculum at the district level and that's what we're going to do in new jersey and that's the way it should be. >> there are reports in "the washington post" that wednesday is the day that a texas judge who could undue -- you're following this story in regard to the abortion pill -- he could undue government approval of this drug, one of the most common ways to obtain an abortion these days. the out in the state of california their governor has taken the stance of refusing to do business with pharmacies that say they won't sell the drug in certain states. are you ready to take a stand like that against walgreens or other pharmacies? >> i don't expect that we will take a stand like that, but we are -- we want walgreens and cvs and others to do the right thing, which is to be there for especially women, to uphold their reproductive freedoms and not take them away.

the villain here isn't the governor of california for sure. the villain here are the attorneys general and governors in, sadly, many states right now in this country that are taking freedoms away from americans, particularly women, particularly reproductive freedom. >> yeah. >> those are the villains in this drama. >> why -- are you uncomfortable putting that kind of pressure on companies to craft social snols. >> no. we're not uncomfortable about that at all, but we want to do the thing that gets the best result, and our teams were on, for instance, on friday, at very senior levels with walgreens and cvs, making sure they heard loud and clear that we expect them to do their part to uphold women's reproductive freedoms. >> governor, good to have you here in person. >> nice to be with you. >> we'll be right back.

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>> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." good evening. jericka is off. i'm robert costa. the debate over the collapse of silicon valley bank intensified today hours before markets opened worldwide and as some companies braced for possible payroll challenges on monday. biden administration officials expressed confidence that the u.s. financial system remains safe and sound and that depositors nationwide should not worry about losing access to their money. but democrats and republicans remain on edge over the fallout. and there is a divide over who's to blame and what should be done. cbs's skyler henry is