. margaret brennan in washington, this week on "face the nation," flare-ups on two polarizing issues in america. guns and abortion reach new levels of concern. overnight, more gun violence. we'll tell you what's happened and we'll look at the impact it's having on us and our children. we'll talk with arizona's democratic senator mark kelly in a rare sunday interview, as conservatives wrap up their annual nra conference. >> stop endangering our lives with gun bans and tram bling on god-given rights of the american people. >> the issue is not too many guns. the issue is too many thugs,

hoodlums and savageriminals on our streets. former arkansas school shield program for the nra and now he's running for president. he'll join us. as the supreme court considers whether an abortion drug should remain on the market, we'll talk with new mexico's governor michelle lujan grisham. questions continue as more jaw-dropping revelations are reported from the classified documents discovered on social media platforms as a 21-year-old air national guardsman is arrested and accused of publishing intelligence secrets. >> i've instructed the department to make sure they get to the root of why he had access in the first place. >> just how damaging are the leaks to our national security? president biden says he's not concerned. >> nothing contemporaneous that i'm aware of that is of great consequence. >> we'll get an assessment from the house intge coteikbahristin

join s uto tte 's all just ahead on "face the nation." good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we are monitoring a developing story in dadeville, alabama. overnight there, there was a shooting at a 16th birthday party at a local dance hall. information at this point is very limited, but the alabama law enforcement agency reports there have been four fatalities and multiple injuries. another big story we are covering today is abortion rights and the increasingly tighter restrictions across the country following the supreme court decision to overturn roe versus wade nearly a year ago. we begin with our mark strassmann in atlanta. >> reporter: dadeville, alabama,

population roughly 3,000, the party that turned to horror. also overnight, two people were killed when someone fired shots into a crowd in louisville, kentucky, still reeling from last week's bank massacre. >> this has been an unspeakable week of tragedy for our city. >> reporter: new mexico authorities released this police body cam footage, officers responding to a domestic violence call. it's the wrong house. but the confused homeowners apparently armed and police fatally shoot him. it's another american frontline, what to do about gun violence? our new cbs news poll shows roughly three in four americans believe mass shootings are preventable. increasingly worried, parents, 77% at least somewhat concerned, up from an already high 72% last year. about 60% of parents say their

kids worry about gun violence. what about fewer guns or no guns? 83% of democrats say america would be safer. but only 25% of republicans. easy access to guns contrasts with abortion access in america. >> our bodies. >> reporter: more precarious than ever. by wednesday midnight, another potential supreme court milestone, deciding the future availability of mifepristone, the most commonly taken abortion drug. more broadly, our cbs news poll shows american roughly by a roughly 4 to 1 margin believe access to reproductive health care is getting harder, especially in red states. more than half of voters in those states see more restrictions coming. take florida. last thursday, governor ron desantis signed into law a bill banning abortions after six weeks of pregnancy. with florida's new law, abortion

access here in the south essentially is limited to two states, north and south carolina. republican leaders generally approve states deciding the abortion issue, but our poll shows more than half of americans believe the republican party is trying to ban abortion nationally, rather than let states decide. that view is driven by abortion rights supporters, both pdemocrats and independents. >> mark strassmann in atlanta. we turn to former arkansas governor asa hutchinson who is attending a republican gathering in nashville. governor, it's good to have you here. i know you've said you are running for president, so i want to start there. what is the affirmative reason you want to be chief executive of the united states of america? >> because we need leadership that brings out the best of america and doesn't appeal to our worst instincts. we need to have leadership that understand our responsibility across the globe and that we're

not an isolationist party or country. whenever you look at the challenges we face from the economy, that we could be headed into a recession, to our border security and the fentanyl crisis that we face, to the lack of energy supply that's so critical to our growth in our country, these are all issues that need to be solved and my experience as congress, as head of the dea, involved in national security issues, gives me the capability to address those, and i'm excited about the opportunity to run. >> well, i want to ask you about one of the issues on the minds certainly of a lot of american parents. according to our polling, most certainly gun violence. six in ten parents say their kids express worry to them about gun violence either a lot or sometimes. you were with us last after uvalde, when 18-year-old man took an ar-15 carrying three

times the amount of ammunition that a soldier carries into combat and massacred elementary schoolchildren. at that period of time you told me the u.s. should look at the type of triggers that can alert law enforcement. what triggers do you want to write into law? >> well, whenever you look at each of these incidents of mass shootings -- and that's the challenge that we face in america -- we ought to always be looking at what can make a difference and what can we do to save lives? that's why i worked very hard on the national school shield initiative as to what expertise we can bring in the schools to bring more safety. whenever you look at the uvalde shooting, i looked at what the solutions were and thank goodness we had senator cornyn and senator murphy that stepped up to the plate and said delays a bipartisan solution that can address that particular instance -- >> yeah. >> and so these are steps that

have proven to be successful in saving lives and we continue to look at what can t limit of what congress is willing to do, that bipartisan safer communities act you referenced. and in it there was over a billion appropriated for mental health resources at school, just $188 million has been allocated to 30 states. there was money to incentivize red flag laws but in states like kentucky and tennessee where the shootings have just happened, they don't have red flag laws, they don't appear to want them there. how do you fix that connection between health and mass shootings? >> well, the investment is important, and in arkansas we made sure that our school counselors can devote time to actually counseling with students and not doing administrative work. putting more money into the school resources and the mental health services across the board are important. >> more than a billion dollars already allocated?

>> well, the states have to pick up that responsibility as well and yes, you shift into enhancing those mental health services, but also, making sure that we have the capacity to identify and respond if someone poses a risk. this is important, margaret, that we have to look at actually utilizing the law that's on the books and it's been there since the '70s, but it was used in a different way, and that is, if somebody is a danger to themselves or a risk to others, then they can be committed. it has to go before a judge. there has to be a hearing on it. but we aren't utilizing that and we need to change the context of our society to take those steps whenever we identify those mental health problems that pose those kind of risks. >> that assumes identification of the problem. the shooter in louisville 25 years old, his family said he

had no history of violence, no police record, bought an ar-15 style weapon six days before he carried out this massacre. your solution doesn't solve for that. >> well, it doesn't solve every problem. you've got incidents of mass shootings that are caused by mental illness and the failure to respond it those instances you can identify, and here you cite a case -- i think we're still learning the facts -- but it's evil and you've got to be able to enforce the law and send the signal that there's going to be serious consequences and the death penalty when somebody through a pure act of evil carries out that shooting. >> he was killed. >> you've got to go to the heart of the problem. >> he was killed on-site. the cdc says that more than 50% of americans will be diagnosed with a mental illness or disorder at some point in their lifetime. so the numbers are with you in terms of mental health crisis in this country. that's 50% of americans.

how are you going to decide who has enough of a problem to institutionalize? where will you draw that line? >> that's the line that i recited in the law currently, which is not that you have -- are suffering from depression or not that you have to go in to counseling for some reason -- we all have those issues in life -- but if it reaches the point of paranoia, sociopathic behavior or you're a risk to yourself of suicide or a risk to others in terms of homicide, then we as a society, if we can identify that, which we can, we have to act on it, and it's not adjudicated by a police officer, it is by a court where evidence is received. we have failed in our society to utilize and to act upon that. and so mental illness is there but whenever it gets to the level of risk and danger to

others, we should act as a society and we've ignored that for the last really 50 years and we're going to have to change if we're going address the issues that we see. >> but there are states who are literally turning down money on the table in that act you just praised to put in place red flag laws, that would allow for family members to say hey, my loved one is a danger and shouldn't be allowed to buy that weapon. those state governments in tennessee and kentucky didn't have those laws, didn't want them there. so are you talking about some national law you want to create here that would force those states to do things to prevent people with how you define mental illness from buying weapons? >> there's two separate issues here. one is the red flag law that you raised and then, secondly, there is the adjudication through a court of law for someone who poses a risk to themselves or to others. that's on the books. it's in virtually every state.

and that's dependent on action that a family member might take when they identify another family member that is a risk, it might be the police that could identify that, of somebody that's on the streets or it could be a whole host of ways, but it would get it into court. this is not a federal law that needs to be passed. it is actually a matter of practice, and that the civil libertarians pushed us away from this action 50 years ago and we've never returned to that kind of action when we see the problem in an individual. on the red flag law, that is a separate issue and there's a resistance because it's not a going into a court and fully adjudicating it. it is -- we're still studying the experience they had in florida on this and we want to make sure it's due process and fair and unnecessarily taking firearms away from somebody just because they say they're having a bad day.

>> governor, there's so much more to get into with you. i have to leave it there for today. thank you for joining us. we turn to arizona democratic senator mark kelly, who joins us from tucson. senator, welcome to the program. >> thank you, margaret. >> i have a lot to get to with you, but i want to start on this issue. our viewers remember, of course, that your wife congresswoman gabby giffords was critically injured in a shooting many years ago. you've made gun safety a real priority issue. your colleague senator murphy of connecticut said to me recently something is dying inside the soul of this nation. do you think america's numb to gun violence? >> well, i don't think we're numb to it, and it's really heartbreaking to see moms across the country terrified about sending their kids to school. i mean, it's not the country we should live in. i have a 2-year-old

grau her preschool she's already gone through one lockdown. she's 2. she doesn't know what it was. this -- if we don't make some serious change, this is going to be her experience growing up. we have some of the most permissive gun laws in the world. we have some of the highest levels of gun violence. we passed this bipartisan safer communities act. it is a step in the right direction, but it's only one step. there is more we can do. >> on that law, as we just talked about with mr. hutchinson, it gave a billion dollars for school mental health resources. about $188 million has been awarded to about 30 states so far. is that money moving fast enough? is there more that can be done with these resources already allocated? >> well, i think this issue is so important to address and so tragic and, you know, margaret, i'm a gun owner and a supporter of the second amendment, but we make it so easy for

irresponsible people and criminals to get access to firearms. there are three schools in arizona that have already gained access to this money, but, you know, moving it into the states and into communities faster is going to be helpful. >> yeah. it only really began moving in february. you just heard asa hutchinson who is running for president talk about institutionalizing people with mental health issues to avoid mass shootings. it's something mike pence, former vice president, who is running also said at the nra this weekend. he called for the death penalty for mass shooters. how do you assess those solutions? >> well governor hutchinson also said he didn't want to compel states to comply with the red flag laws. we provided money and it's voluntary for states we could make that mandatory, red flag laws work. i mean we have data that shows

that in states that have red flag laws you prevent gun violence so that's certainly a placert. we provided money for mental health services and we have a mental health crisis. there's more we can do. listening to the former v say t about firearms, not about guns? it is. we just make it way too easy. how about, you know, more background checks. here in the state of arizona or in texas or many places you can go to a gun show and get a gun without a background check. that doesn't make sense to most americans. >> we have to take a break here, senator. i want to talk to you on the other side of it about your recent trip to ukraine and other issues, so please stay with us. more from senator kelly in one minute. playing golf? it's expensive. we're outlawing golf. wait. can i still play? since we work with emower, we don't have to worry about planning for a third kid. you can still play golf... sometimes. take control of your financial future to empower what's next. hi, i'm karen.

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to ask you about this news that we got confirmed essentially this week in these leaked pentagon documents that estimate ukraine will deplete their stock of anti-aircraft missiles within weeks. it's been widely reported how quickly they're going through ammunition. how concerned are you that this is going to give russia the opportunity to have air superiority? >> well, margaret, i spent 25 years in the united states navy and i flew in combat. this is my first time i've actually, you know, went to a war zone, a country that's been brutally attacked by vladimir putin, there's war crimes committed every day. the situation is just heartbreaking. you know, one of the things we were looking at was their ammunition supply. i don't want to comment specifically on the classified intelligence here, but we have to make sure that we continue to give them the weapons and the weapons systems that they need to be successful. we cannot allow putin to win

this thing. i mean, he -- you know,eaid what his plan is. he wants to rebuild the soviet empire and if we don't stopim in ukraine there's no telling where he will go next. >> when you say more ammunition, you mean more anti-aircraft missiles now? >> no. i mean there's, you know, rounds for the howitzers, they need to, you know, their air defense system is challeged as well. that's what you're specifically talking about. neither russia nor ukraine have air superiority at this time. that's important in a combat zone and to get it is challenging and they're using a lot of their weapons. i mean, they -- highmars, another example. the purpose of this trip was to see what they need, see what we can supply. i will go back to d.o.d. and the administration and give them my assessment of what the situation in ukraine is. >> president biden has said they don't need f-16s.

you disagree? >> i think it's something we need to look at, and i've communicated that to the d. department of defense and administration. we evaluated in tucson, f-16 pilots, i spoke to the pilots, it's still unclear how they want to use the f-16. they're looking for the next game changer. f-16 is not an artillery piece or a tank. it's complicated and hard to maintain. we've also looked at some other options. there are other countries that have f-16s as well that might become an option, but it's going to take time.assessment, it wil about a year to train 12 ukrainian -- if we go that route -- 12 ukrainian mig 29 pilots. >> it's good to have you on the program and we hope to have you back. we have to leave it there for

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we want to bring in chief legal correspondent jan crawford to help us understand what is going on legally when it comes to abortion access and this pill. jan, it's good to have you here. we know the supreme court overturned roe versus wade back in june. they sent the decision back to states. now we're back at the supreme court talking about abortion access again. will they hear this case on the pill? >> well, i mean, no, i don't think so. first of all let's think about what they did last june. they said in that decision there's no constitutional right to abortion, states can decide what they want to do with it, let it play out the political process and that's what we've seen. the red states, more conservative states restrict or ban abortion. the blue states, more liberal states, say we're going to keep

it widely available. the case i efft conservatieg gn texas restrict nationwide and every state by trying to outlaw a pill that's used in more than half of all abortions, they're saying that the fda didn't properly approve this pill 23 years ago. a federal judge in texas, a trump appointee by the way, agreed with that. the case is before the supreme court whether they should get involved and i don't think the justices will go with this. i think they will block the lower court judge's order, keep the pill available nationwide because there are conservative legal principles that go to the heart of the case. this is not the case about a right to abortion or the constitution. this is a case about jurisdiction and administrative law and a case that case do these challengers have standing to go too court and attack a law, a tha thedon'ee with go wat

think it's going to be at least 7-2 and maybe even 9-0 >> to blocking the lower court's order and keeping the pill available nationwide. >> that would be surprising for those assuming a conservative leaning court. >> but the conservative legal principle -- you have to have a good reason to go into federal court and challenge something. you have to say i don't agree with this. that's not clear here. if the court goes along with this in this case it will be at odds with what they have said in other case in the past about the role of federal judges to get involved in social disputes. i think it would be very surprising if the court blocks this pill. >> let's take a break and come back and i have more questions for you, jan. we'll be back and speak to new mexico democratic governor michelle lujan grisham. stay with us. i lowered my a1c, cv risk,

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>> announcer: this is the "cbs overnight news." we begin tonight with another mass shooting in america. it is the 32nd so far this month and the ninth of the weekend. it happened here at a dance hall in dadeville, alabama. it's a community about 60 miles northeast of montgomery. at least four people were killed. about two dozen injured. mostly teens. cbs's mark strassmann is tracking this story for us. you know a lot of grieving families in a close-knit community. what more do we know, mark? >> reporter: alabama investigators are looking into reports that first there was an argument and then gunshots. it was all part of another crime