right up. and please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ mifepristone. i'm margaret brennan. today on "face the nation" the supreme court preserves access to an abortion pill tore now. a daring evacuation of u.s. government personnel out of the embattled country of sudan jo over. overnight the mission to get u.s. personnel out of sudan was successful, but what about the hundreds more americans still trapped there? we'll talk with delaware democrat chris coons, he's on the africa subcommittee in the senate. the supreme court makes an emergency ruling to keep mifepristone accessible for abortion. but sends the case back to the lower courts. is the fight over? we'll tell you what's next. the politics of abortion within the republican party.

our robert costa sat down with former vice president and potential 2024 candidate mike pence. will he enter the race and challenge the former president? >> are you leaning in or are you leaning away from running? >> i'm here in iowa, robert. plus, a series of deadly shooting errors, firing first and asking questions later. is taking its toll on a nation already anxious about gun violence. we'll talk with the mayor of kansas city, quinton lucas, ate the challenges he's facing running a blue city in a red state. finally an interview with israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he's back in power but what's different now. it's all ahead on "cbs mornings." it's all ahead on "face the nation."

good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we begin with a daring special forces rescue operation to get american diplomats out of sudan where fighting continues as two top generals jockey for power. the state department says security conditions aren't expected to improve any time soon, and has temporarily suspended operations at the u.s. embassy in sudan's capital khartoum. meanwhile, there are still hundreds of american citizens stranded in sudan where the airports have been closed for days. for more now we turn to national security correspondent david martin, david, good morning. >> good morning. >> this operation was high risk. u.s. forces flying 800 miles from djibouti to ethiopia, and sudan and had to go all the way back to djibouti at the end. a airlifted about 100 people out of the u.s. embassy. how did all this come together?

>> distance was the primary challenge here. 800 miles, helicopters can't go that far, so you had to set up this forward staging base in ethiopia where they could top off before the aircraft went in to the embassy in khartoum. the other thing was the uncertainty of whether or not they were going to be shot at. both generals of these two warring sides had been warned in no uncertain terms do not interfere, but you couldn't count at that because we've seen all these cease fires break down. the aircraft went in at night, low level, and they had 100 special operations commandos on board. those commandos set up a perimeter around the landing zone that was just outside the embassy and guarded that perimeter while the diplomats boarded the helicopters. overhead, there were two c-130

aircraft, one of which was for communications, the other was a gunship ready to take anybody who tried to approach the embassy under fire. they were on the ground for a little more than half an hour. >> wow. >> no shots were fired. and then they were back on their way. somebody called it a pretty easy in and out. but it was long and gruelling night from start to finish, it was 17 hours. >> and it was so high risk, this went -- sounds like as best as possibly could be expected but there are still hundreds of american citizens who are on the ground. there's no plan to evacuate them. these were just government personnel pulled out. the state department and the pentagon say they will do what they can to help americans get out. what does that mean? >> it doesn't mean going in and seizing the airport and doing the normal kind of evacuation

aboard airliners out of there. it means conducting reconnaissance along this land route that goes from khartoum all the way over to port sudan on the red sea, which is a 12-hour drive under the best conditions. so they can conduct reconnaissance over that and then they can have u.s. navy ships waiting to take in any americans who will make that drive. that, again, will be at a minimum a long an gruelling drive, and, you know, the io ar >> yeah. and it is such a high risk environment. david, thank you very much for all of your reporting. we go now to democratic senator chris coons who joins us from wilmington, delaware. good morning, to you, senator. i know you said you feared this violence for the past few weeks and it was this intense fighting between sudan's armed forces and a paramilitary group that led to

this dramatic evacuation. do you think the u.s. should have pulled out sooner? >> margaret, if i had been on this show two weeks ago, we wouldn't have been talking about fighting in sudan because there wasn't any. there were special envoys from the u.n., au, u.s., all negotiating with these two generals, general hamben and general burhan, and i'm still hopeful they can return to a civilian government. it unwound fast in the last week, and i'm grateful that our special forces have successfully overnight evacuated the u.s. nationals who work in our embassy in khartoum. this is a temporary suspension. it's my hope and theirs that we will be able to return to khartoum and the situation will stabilize. but margaret, this is the same sort of thing that happened in kyiv and ukraine that has happened in other countries and yemen and syria, where when the

fighting gets intense quickly we rely on our special forces to evacuate u.s. nationals who is staffed in an em bbassy that ina country that descends into a war zone. >> russia and china have been extending their influence throughout africa, russia in sudan as well, including the paramilitary group wagner. they have left behind hundreds of american civilians in sudan who don't necessarily have a way out of the country. are you concerned about how the united states can use some kind of leverage to help its citizens escape? >> margaret, just a reminder that sudan is a vast country, the third largest country in africa, a country of 45 million people spread over a huge amount of territory. yes, i am concerned about the safety and security of u.s. nationals who have been serving in humanitarian missions or in

other ways across the country. there are quite a few u.s. sudanese dual nationals in the country and the u.n. and u.s. and a number of other countries will do their best to help return to civilian rule to end the fighting, to support a stabilization in sudan, but as for right now an evacuation through some overland convoy is the most likely path out for folks who work for the u.n. and the world food program, for example, who serve other countries in khartoum and around the country, and for those remaining u.s. nationals who may wish to leave. >> but does the u.s. have any leverage to stop the fighting? >> just a reminder, margaret, this is a country that for 30 years was under the brutal dictatorship of omar al bashir. we don't have a deep relationship with the sudanese military or the paramilitary force, the rsf. we have some leverage in that we

provide development assistance, humanitarian relief, but frankly these two warring factions have started what may well be a fight to the finish and we may have limited leverage in the next couple of weeks and months, as they carry out a fight to see who will ultimately be in control of the security of sudan. >> and that is why there's so much concern. i want to ask you as well about your position on the judiciary committee. cbs interviewed earlier this week an attorney for an irs agent who is seeking whistleblower status from congress to share information he says would contradict sworn testimony to congress by senior political appointee regarding the investigation into hunter biden. do you think it's worth looking into the possibility of undue influence here? >> look, anyone who comes forward and seeks whistleblower protection status should be given that status. that's part of what we put in place over many years, a system that allows career folks who

work in different federal agencies the chance to blow the whistle and testify if they see something wrong. i will remind you nothing has been presented yet. this person hasn't come forward in any detail. if and when they do, if there's any substance to it, i expect that the chairman of the judiciary committee dick durbin and the ranking member will assure they're fairly and appropriately treated. >> are you confident in the conduct of attorney general merrick garland when it comes to this case? >> i am. look president biden from the days he was campaigning to his first days as president made it clear that he thought restoring the independence of the department of justice removing any political influence for potential investigations was a core value that he brought to this service as president, and i'm confident that's in no small part why he chose a seasoned circuit court judge, someone with deep experience at doj.

i am confident merrick garland has conducted himself appropriately here. >> cbs reported back in october that fbi gathered evidence sufficient enough to charge hunter biden with tax and gun related crimes, and sent it to the u.s. attorney in delaware. we know that in the coming days, mr. biden's attorneys are set to meet with the u.s. attorney in delaware. do you have any sense if this is concludes soon? it's been ongoing since 2018? >> no, i don't nor should i. it is an ongoing investigation that, as you say, has been conducted for years. the u.s. attorney here in delaware is the u.s. attorney appointed by the previous administration. >> right. >> and if there are any charges brought we will discuss them at that time. this is point i think this is a long going federal investigation, which i hope will reach a conclusion at some point soon. >> all ri senator coons, thank you for joininsmorn >> t you, margaret.

we turn now to the friday supreme court decision which preserves access to a widely used abortion pill for now while the legal process in the lower courts continues. chief legal correspondent jan crawford joins us. good to have you back here. this was a decision you predicted, 7-2. the dissent coming from justice alito. clarence thomas objecting. the supreme court is keeping the drug available now. so what happens next? >> that's right. i mean the bottom line is this drug will remain available nationwide without any restrictions while these appeals play out and that could take at least a year. i mean, even though this case is really on a fast track, there's an argument next month before a panel of judges before the u.s. court of appeals for the fifth circuit which will decide at some court whether the lower court judge in texas was right that fda and properly authorized mifepristone some two decades

ago, but regardless of whatever e als courts, whoever loses is going t and ask justices tn and dec tme whether the fda properly followed the right steps when it approved mifepristone in 2000 and then when it agreed to make it more widely available, easier for women to get in 2016. that will set the stage for a major supreme court case on abortion access, possibly as soon as next year. >> an election year, too. jan, there's great irony in the fact that supreme court sent the decision on abortion access back to the states after dobbs and now we're talking about going back to the supreme court to decide on it again. will the justices -- mine how involved will they get? do you think this is inevitable it ends up there? >> well, i think it's going to go right back to the supreme court because whoever loses will appeal it and ask the justice to

get involved and decide it. i don't think they will. >> you don't think they will hear it. >> i think they'll have to hear it, but i think they will dismiss it on standing grounds. they're going to say that these challengers who went after the fda authorization weren't able to show that they had right to be in federal court in the first place. let me just -- those are kind of bedrock conservative legal principles that go to the heart of this case. to get into federal court you can't just be upset about some issue. you have to show you've been harmed, that you have a stake in the case. it can't be just something speculative in the future. i think that's a real problem for the challengers here. now the lower courts saw it differently. the trummy a -- trump appointee saw it differently. these judges take it seriously. it goes to the point of judicial restraint and that's why what they're doing with this case is entirely consistent with what they did with dobbs. the ruling that overturned roe versus wade and sent it back to

the states. what they're doing isthey f thi an t challengers dot heusiness bl courts and we' to keep that a high bar for getting into the courts. we don't want federal judges ruling on these social issues. that belongs in the political process. so the bottom line for this case i think next week, whenever they get back to it, i think they're going to dismiss it on standing and i think the conservative justices will join with the liberals and say the challengers don't have a right to sue in this case. it could be 8-1, possibly unanimous. >> very quickly, a lot of scrutiny of clarence thomas. what do you think is going to happen to him? >> well, as you know, there's been reports he failed to disclose a couple different things on his disclosure forms of a vacations paid for by really rich friend of his he didn't disclose. the rules on that were not very clear. they're amended. i think the more problematic one is property he and his family

sold to the same f and tha disclosed. peoe closes had suggested that's because he didn't make a profit on that so he thought he didn't need to disclose it. the bottom line is democrats are calling for hearings. republicans are saying this is ridiculous. this is politics. >> yeah. >> if it sounds like a mess it is and the supreme court could do well by looking at its own code of conduct. >> jan crawford, thanks for your reporting. the issue of abortion will likely play a role in the 2024 elections. yesterday, our robert costa went to iowa and spoke with one of those potential republican candidates, former vice president mike pence and asked him about the court's decision. >> i'm pro life. i don't apologize for it. the fact that the biden administration allowed mifepristone to be made available on a mail order basis is a fundamental change, even in states that have limited

abortion. i would like to see this medication off the market to protect the unborn, but also, i have deep concerns about the way the fda went about approving mifepristone 20 years ago. i'm grateful that action is being taken in the courts to hold the fda accountable to what the law requires in reviewing any medications made on the marketplace. for the sake of protecting the unborn, but also, for the health and safety of women. i'm looking forward to this litigation continuing and holding the manufacturers of mifepristone accountable and ultimately putting the interests of women first. >> the fda has disputed claims it's unsafe saying that serious complications are rare and less than 1% of patients need hospitalization. that's their position. >> well, i understand that, robert. under the obama administration, the fda actually stopped chronicling nonfatal results of

mifepristone, and one of the things that i hope changes -- and, of course, this litigation as the fda gets back to reporting to the american people all of the health impacts, but i do believe this issue bears upon the health and safety of women and we've got a whole fda accountable to the law. >> very big right now in the republican party. there's a real debate anti-abortion activists mar garry dan felds anyone who takes former president trump's position that states should decide what happens on abortion has called that a morally indefensible position. do you agree? >> the cause of restoring the sanctity of life to the center of american law is the calling of our time. the supreme court in the dobbs decision last june gave the american people a new beginning for life and returned to the question of abortion to the states and to the american people but didn't just return it exclusively to the states. this isn't a state's only

decision. we have elected representatives in the congress of the united states and we'll elect a president again in 2024 and i think the american people would welcome a minimu national standard in washington, d.c. 15 weeks. >> is former president trump in retreat on the abortion front? >> i would leave that to others. >> what's your take? >> you can ask him. >> your top aide mark short has said on the record former president trump is in retreat? >> that's a great question for him. i couldn't be more proud to have been vice president in the administration that appointed three justices to the supreme court. sent roe versus wade to the ash heap of history. we're in a new season and i think millions of pro life americans want to see every opportunity to put the interest of the unborn first and in deeper measure to demonstrate

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anger, and a population that is increasingly armed to the teeth with deadly weapons. >> reporter: more than 70% of adults say gun violence is a significant source of stress. about half say guns are a constant threat or a major concern, and 62% of black and hispanic americans. nearly 30% bought a gun as protection from gun violence. we're a country up in arms. in just two years of the pandemic, americans bought 60 million guns. almost half of us have a gun at home. but to the nra, and its supporters, blaming guns for gun violence misses the target. >> this is a mental health problem. this is a social problem. this is a cultural problem. this is a spiritual problem. >> reporter: 16-year-old ralph yarl rang the doorbell of the

wrong house and he's recovering from a gunshot to his snead he was supposed to stay outside and his brothers were supposed to run outside and get in the car and come home. that is what was supposed to happen and while he was standing there his brothers didn't run outside but he got a couple of bullets in his body. >> reporter: legal experts say homeowner andrew lester may claim self-defense under missouri's stand your ground law. about 30 states have stand your ground laws. florida was first in 2005, a law made famous by the trayvon martin shooting in 2012. but those laws do not provide blanket protection for shooting anyone who comes at you. and one study linked stand your ground laws with an up to 11% monthly increase in gun homicides. it's a volatile, violent mix. armed americans already on edge, and a minor mishap later, gunshots. our mark strassmann reporting. and we'll be right back with a lot more "face the nation."

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♪ welcome back to "face the nation" and more of robert costa's conversation with former vice president mike pence. >> there has been a spate of gun violence in recent weeks and it's, at times, legal gun owners shooting people who come up to their door, on a driveway, in a parking lot. what is happening in america and can anything be done to dial down the fear and the violence? >> well, our hearts go out to the families of lost loved ones and the incidents in kansas city and in upstate new york. just can't imagine the pain that they're enduring in that

tragedy, but tragedy should not require us to forfeit our liberty and the right of law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms is enshrined in the institution of the united states. i don't know the facts of those cases. i'm confident local law enforcement will move forward and apply the flaw a proper way, but i can't help but suspect that this recent spate of tragedies is evidence of the fear that so many americans are feeling about the crime wave besetting this country. >> i think most people would agree, even if you have fear about crime in your community, there's no excuse to be shooting at somebody at your door or in a parking lot? >> i can't imagine the circumstances that i read about in the press in either of those cases, and i'm sure local law enforcement will hold people to a proper accounting. at the end of the day i just wonder, i wonder if it isn't

some reflection of the fear the american people feel about the crime wave impacting our country, literally from coast to coast. >> you have agreed to appear before the special counsel's ongoing grand jury investigating january 6th with some constraints on your testimony. have you set a date with the special counsel about your appearance? >> well, our attorneys have worked that out with the justice department, but i will say, i'm grateful that the court recognized that there are specific constitutional protections unique to the vice president. when you're serving in your role as president of the senate. i thought it was important to make that challenge for the first time in history a federal court acknowledged that that provision of the constitution applies to the vice president and they've -- they've limited what they will be requesting of me. >> help us understand that a little bit. >> i can tell you we'll obey the law and tell the truth. the story that i've been telling

the american people all across the country, the story that i wrote in the pages of my memoir, that will be what i tell in that setting as well. >> for a lay person who is not a lawyer, what are the constraints, in your view, on your upcoming testimony? will you, for example, be able to testify in your view about the private conversations you have had with president trump? is that within the range of what you could do before the grand jury? >> i think i'm limited about what i can say about the proceedings of the grand jury or the decision of the judge, but people can be confident that we'll obey the law and comply with the law. i got to tell you, robert, nobody is talking to me about this. >> fox news just settled with dominion for $787 million over false claims on the network. any reaction? >> well, i would assume that fox news determined what the appropriate settlement was and what the exposure was in that

case. i can't really speak to it. that was not a time in my life that i was watching a lot of television, robert. i was focused on the task at hand, focused on doing our duty under the constitution of the united states. the role that you, your network, and other members of the media play is vital to our democracy and i'll always stand for a free and independent press, even if i don't agree with what you say or do. >> it's almost may. when are you going to decide on whether you are running for the republican nomination? >> well, we're getting awful close. i don't have anything to announce today, robert. >> will you make a hard decision by late june? >> i think anyone that would be serious about seeking the republican nomination would need to be in this contest by june. >> so you will make a decision by late june? >> i think, if we have an announcement to make -- >> whether -- >> it will be well before late june. >> are you leaning in or away from running?

>> well, i'm here in iowa, robert. >> that's a tell. >> i love this country. and i think america is in a lot of trouble. what i hear people telling me is that the challenges that we're facing in an increasingly dangerous world, the challenges that we're facing in this economy, where inflation is at a 40-year high, crisis at our border, are going to require someone who has the ability to step in on day one and set our country back on a path towards security and prosperity, and so we're thinking very deeply about that. as i said -- >> sounds like you're leaning in. >> i -- look -- >> leaning toward it versus away? >> i would tell you that i'm very humbled by the encouragement that we're receiving, and i promise when we have something to announce, you'll be among the first to know. >> robert costa's full

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we go now to the mayor of kansas city which is where the shooting of ralph yarl happened. quinton lucas joins us now from our affiliate kctv. good morning to you, mr. mayor. this case is -- >> good morning. >> is so tragic, and has really captured the attention of the countries. the shooter is 84 years old and shot an unarmed 16-year-old for ringing his doorbell. he says he thought he was about to be robbed. i know you already have a high rate of gun violence in kansas city, but what has this particular tragedy meant? >> well, to me, it says several things, and one of those was mentioned a moment ago by vice president pence in the interview. i think that actually it is this culture of fear and paranoia

that's drummed up by some, including politicians like the former vice president, who mention it almost in a way as if it's an excuse for this type of action. this was in the safest neighborhood of kansas city or one of our safest neighbors, and this was a man who in his statement to the police said he was scared of in essence large black person outside of his door. he thought the child was 6 feet tall. he was only 5'8", thought he was a threat, on the other side of two locked doors. this is the sort of thing that happens when you have a culture of paranoia and fear drummed up by politicians and some in the media and this fettization as i've said before of guns. more stand your ground laws, more laws that say use your gun and have it everywhere. >> so your governor, who is a republican, condemned the shooting very clearly but also said that president biden was politicizing it by calling the family of the boy ralph yarl.

he didn't call the families of the victims in new york and texas. what do you make of that? does it complicate things when the president gets involved just given how divided our country is right now? >> it absolutely does not complicate anything when the president gets involved. first of all, this was news story, an incident, a situation that had the attention of the country long before president biden called and actually did the humane thing and gave best wishes to a boy who had been shot twice. a 16-year-old in the midwest who had been shot twice. gets the call from the president of the united states, but if you think about all the conversation, there was not a conversation i had certainly in this city but with any mayors around the country who weren't noticing this story. the racial dynamic, the fact that these laws are extreme are arming our citizens and having them more scared than they've ever been before. this was an 84-year-old man who

went to sleep in one of the safest neighborhoods of kansas city but still had a loaded gun. when he heard a disturbance at his door didn't think to say a word or scream at somebody who would be outside it was to shoot and shoot twice. the facts of this case were astonishing in and of themselves and had the president never said a word there would be lots of attention. i disagree with the governor, particularly when his party often has politicized any number of incidents relating to border crossings and beyond in places like missouri, far away from our southern border, to use any number of political examples. i think this is a serious situation and the real politization are the people who after each one of these incidents say oh, let's blame it on mental health and society. it's tragic right now. >> you just talked about your republican governor and i just want to point out that in kansas city, it's a little bit unusual because you, as mayor, don't oversee the police department. there's a board appointed by the

state that oversees them. you're a democrat in a red state where you can't control the police department in your own city. so how do you work with the governor to crack down on the gun violence if it is the republicans in control of it? >> well, we beg, we pray and plead with them. these are missourians shot. this is not a thing where the city is an evil place far away. we are within the state. you're seeing not just in missouri but kansas city, there's an effort to take over state control of police in st. louis, a lawsuit filed in jackson, mississippi, where there's a state takeover. the cities are punching bags and they have been, but a new extreme of everything that happens here, even our crime, suspect something we need to fix, instead it's an indictment say on the city people themselves. i think it has lots to do with

racial differences that are present in the city, our different views on gun crimes and frankly something that can scare people a little bit more than perhaps talking about international affairs or deficits, instead something that seems to be down the street and it is harming and tearing apart our country. >> a lawyer for ralph yarl's family spoke to my colleague gayle king and said they were pleased with the felony charges at polic di younow, proceed along with, but they want to know why attempted murder wasn't part of it and questions if there were civil rights violated. do you have answers from the police or anyone on those points? >> i know our police department has worked hard to review the situation and while there are critiques, certainly we welcome those and further study. i think the challenge with a hate crimes charge is the proof of intent that relates to it. what we have is there was a man who said that he was afraid of a black male outside of his door and shot twice. the felony assault charge

carries life in prison for an 84-year-old is a substantial sentence. ap an additional armed criminal charge. i believe our investigators will look into this to see if there are further charges. what a lot of people wanted to see over the last week this was taken seriously. it was astonishing to some someone who could shoot someone twice was back in their bed later that night. we have worked hard to try to address that and people answer more questions as time goes along with this tragic situation. >> to button up what you were saying in terms of culture of fear, can't both things be true, there is too much anxiety and manipulation of fear at the same time there is a legitimate concern ability rise in crime? >> you know, both can be true, but i don't think that's the situation now. think about the fact -- you hear certain political figures who talk about cities that are fundamentally safer than cities in their own state. this is kind of a governor

desantis bashing of new york city, which is safer than a lot of larger cities in the state of florida. this fully drummed up and it's part of getting people more guns and afraid and i don't think it relate to the data on the ground each day. >> mr. mayor, thank you for your time. we'll be right back.

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ranked #1 in customer satisfaction with retail banking in california by j.d. power. we turn now to israel where tens of thousands of protesters marched through tel aviv last night in opposition to the government's plans to overhaul the judicial system. this is just days ahead of israel's 75th anniversary, celebrating its independence. for more we go to the country's prime minister benjamin netanyahu. good morning to you, mr. prime minister. >> good morning. good to be with you. >> we're glad you're here. you know, it has been a month since you hit pause on those judicial reforms. at this moment in time, when you need national unity, why not withdraw them? >> well, i think there is a broad consensus that we have to make corrections in our judicial system. there's a -- obviously, a dramatic difference between the views of how and what extent and so on, but i think it should not

cloud the fact that we're celebrating a modern miracle. israel's 75th anniversary is the change that happened to the jewish people who were decimated in the holocaust, a third of our people were lost to this independent nation that has become a power in the world and i think everybody unites around that. >> you had to cancel a monday appearance at the largest gathering of north american jewish leaders in years because of these protest concerns. again, why not withdraw the proposal to overhaul the judicial system, which would give parliament, controlled by your ally, authority to overturn supreme court decisions? >> i've said i will not accept a blanket ability of the parliament to overcome judicial supreme court decisions just as we don't accept the supreme court can abrogate by the parliament or government. both of these extremes actually hinder the balance between the three branches of government which is what we're trying to

bring into balance now. >> sir you're making this sound like it's just a debate. >> a happy middle. >> you're making it sound like it is a simple debate like any other country, but you used the phrase you were pausing because you wanted to stop the possibility of civil war. that was a phrase you used when you hit pause. i want to just lay out for you here what it has done here in the united states. those judicial plans led president biden to say he won't be inviting you to washington any time soon. listen. >> i'm very concerned, and i'm concerned that they get this straight, they cannot continue down this road. hopefully the prime minister will act in a way that he is going to try to work out some genuine compromise. >> biden told you to walk away. you seem to be betting there won't be consequences to alienating your closest ally. >> i value the alliance

years with president biden. i don't think anything will get in that way. it's an internal matter that we have to resolve and we're doing it and the way we're doing it is by seeking a consensus as we speak right now, margaret, as we speak right now, there are teams of my own party, the likud with teams in the coalition speaking in the president's house, the fifth or sixth meeting they've had, seeking the compromise that i think is the mark of democracies. you don't walk away from a problem. you try to solve it. >> walk away from your proposal. which would allow parliament with a simple majority to override any decision by the supreme court. that is your one check and balance on power, very different from the american system. i want to ask you about the makeup of your government because it is impacting u.s. relations. your finance minister calls himself a houma phobe and said a palestinian village should be

erased. you said that was inappropriate. your public security minister was rejected from army service because of past ties to an extremist group designated by the u.s. as a terrorist organization. i know you need to keep your coalition together to prevent a collapse, but are you confident you can rein in people like this? >> i think a lot of them have changed over time and they themselves say that. the important thing to understand is they joined me. i didn't join them. we have by far the largest party in the knesset and the coalition. there are smaller policies. the mainstream policies are decided by me and that's what i'm doing. >> this national security minister i mentioned, who threatened to quit, which would have collapsed your government, you promised him a national guard will be established under his control. the idea and your security forces are more than strong. he's already gone out and said he wants police to remove

palestinian flags from public spaces. what exactly do you think he's going to do with this national guard? >> the national guard is not merely his idea. it's a wide proposal, by the way, recognized, was actually proposed by the previous government as well, because you need -- israel has a small police force relative to the size of the population and we face, unlike other police forces around the world, we face the threat of terror. there is a national guard. it's going to be under one of our national security -- under one of our security arms. it's not going to be any individual persons or ministers militia. that's not going to happen in israel. not under me and i suspect not under anyone else. >> can you clarify this for us as well because it's making headlines in the u.s. politician said you are considering appointing her to be consul general in new york and calls herself a proud racist and

criminals spreading hiv. are you nominating her to actually serve in new york an incredibly important post for israel? >> it is indeed an incredibly important post and anyone i'll nominate and i haven't done s abide by the mainstream positions i've advocated and i welcome the fact that the united states has a multiracial society and so does israel and as anyone i appoint will have to reflect the value that i attach to that quality and our democracy and in yours. >> you are not appointing her? >> i haven't. but i'm telling you -- >> you won't? >> anyone i will appoint will abide by that view that i've advocated throughout my lifetime. it's not performance. it's not lip service. i believe that. >> okay. sounds like you're saying she's not coming to new york. i want to ask you about some of the americans coming to israel.

florida's governor ron desantis is visiting israel this week and presumed to be running for president here as you know. do you plan to meet with him? >>, of course. i'll meet with everyone, why not. i meet with republican governors and democratic governs. i would meet with every american representative, governor, senator, members of congress, and i think it's my job and it's important for israel's bipartisan suppor in the united states. i make a point of it. >> there was a poll from gallup that showed democrats are likelier to sympathize with palestinians than israelis for the first time. i know it's easy to dismiss polls but this seems to be a reflection of public sentiment in the united states that relates directly to israel's influence in america. 49% of democrats sympathize with palestinians, 38% with israelis. do you think that matters? >> yeah, i do think it matters

and i think we have to work harder to dissuade our democratic colleagues who forget, perhaps, that israel is the solitary democracy in the middle east that america has no better friend and ally than israel. it's happening over time. it happened over time. it's not related to this or that administration in israel because it happened and continued under the previous government as well. i think there is a demonization of israel in some of the reports, many of the reports that come out of here, and i think there's a portion of the american public that finds it hard to understand that once you enter the realm of nations you have to act to defend yourself. i think we have to work hard to persuade both -- >> democrats. >> both sides of the aisle and independents in between. yes, both sides of the aisle, in this case democrats, because we have solid support among

independents and republicans and considerable support among democrats. i'm not going to give you. >> mr. prime minister, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. we'll be right back. i count on personalized financial advice from my ameriprise advisor. she knows my goals and can help me reach them with confidence. the markets may fluctuate but you're still on track. more than 9 out of 10 clients are likely to recommend us. ameriprise financial. hi, i'm jill and i've lost 56 pounds on golo. morhi, i'm barryof 10 clients arand i've lost 42 pounds..

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