i'm jane pauley. "face the nation" is just ahead. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next "sunday morning." ♪ . i'm margaret brennan. this week on "face the nation" -- new signs of spring strain on the economy. washington politicians prepare for the annual surge of migrants

at the border. >> an 11th hour under way in an effort to save first republic bank as the fed takes partial responsibility for the march collapse of silicon valley bank. we'll talk with california congressman ro khanna. former trump administration economic adviser gary cohn will be here. texas 23 not only are we the epicenter of the border crisis, it feels as if it is hell for us. >> republican congressman tony gonzales weighs in on the biden administration's new plans to stem an expected border surge and what his party is proposing as those pandemic border restrictions known as title 42 will soon be lifted. and as the state by state march to solidify abortion laws continue, south carolina republican congresswoman nancy she's warning her party to find a middle ground on abortion access. finally, the annual white

house correspondents' dinner honors americans wrongfully detained overseas. the power of the press in a democracy. >> free press is a pillar, maybe the pillar, of free society, not the enemy. and of course, some self-deprecating humor, washington style. >> after all, believe in the first amendment. not just because my good friend jimmy madison wrote it -- >> it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. and welcome to "face the nation." as we look to a new month, we're keeping a close eye on the economy, which continues to be the number one issue of concern for americans. last week's news that economic

growth slowed more than expected in the first quarter of the year, will almost certainly factor into the federal reserve's decision-making this week as we prepare for yet another interest rate hike to try to curb inflation. complicating the fed's dilemma is the political battle on raising the debt ceiling, fallout from the collapse of silicon valley bank, and the looming prospect of a third government bank rescue, this time for california-based first republic. we begin with democratic congressman ro khanna whose district was home to svb. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> last time you were here, there were urgent efforts under way to save a bank. today, again, urgent efforts, this time first republic. we are hearing it could be seized by the fdic, but there are efforts also to find a buyer to absorb it. what are you hearing? >> this is what a modern bank run looks like. let me tell you what companies in my district are saying. they're saying that payroll companies are telling them move

your deposits out of first republic, you will not have access accounts. that's why i think it's important we guarantee all bank deposters. i said this last time i was on. there's $8 trillion in uninsured deposits in these banks. 10 trillion is insured. until we guarantee them -- >> we is congress? >> congress. i've been working with senator rubio on this, on a proposal to say look, pay a fee, and have some guarantee on these deposits. otherwise what's going to happen? regional banks will be insecure and people will be concerned and start to consolidate into the top banks and you have a lot of these payroll companies telling these companies to move to the banks. i believe the fdic is doing fine and well now, but we've togot t prevent this from happening again and guarantee these

deposits. >> what you're talking about takes a long time. we're talking immediate sense for first republic and some progressive democrats have objected to the idea some of the big banks that can afford to buy little ones an systemically important ones, they should be prevented from stepping in to buy up first republic. that is where you fall? >> no. i think the fdic needs to look at the lowest cost alternative, that's their mandate, and they may need to work with banks and private capital to save first republic. that is the state we're in. but we can move quickly. look at the cares act, we said that all deposits were guaranteed for transaction and accounts. i think if we do something like that quickly, we prevent this going again. we also need reform. look at what has happened, margaret. every time the economy heats up, we say deregulate. it never works out. in 2018, the deregulation basically sent a signal to the fed to stop the oversight on

these banks. >> there was a not that report that i want to get into that just came out, but first off, one of the things blamed was poor management. gregory becker, you knew, the former ceo of svb, he donated to your campaign as well. >> he had. >> when he was at the helm, did you think at the time it was a problem, that he was also on the board of the chief regulator there, sfrthe san francisco fed? >> i did not know at the time, but i think now that should not be allowed. no. i didn't have a sense back then that silicon valley bank was going to have a challenge. obviously, there was mismanagement. one reform we should have is that bank executives should not be on the board of the fed, regional fed, overseeing them. i think that's a lesson. i also think there needs to be a claw back of his bonus. there needs to be a claw back of executive compensation and far tougher rules on bank executives who have failed banks. >> and yet, the momentum doesn't seem to be will in congress from the democratic leader in the senate or in the republican-led

house. why? >> well, there should be momentum for three things, one the claw backs on executives, that could be bipartisan. two for greater oversight and the rules on these banks. we basically told these banks not to regulate. the big place, and i'm working on a bipartisan basis, protect the regional banks. that's going to help regional community banks and most main street america. that's the risk to the economy. you have 5% interest rate. people are moving out into money market funds. they're moving out of banks. if we don't have a guarantee, we run a real risk across this country. >> on this in terms of regulation, there were regulations in place. there were 31 supervisory findings, warnings from regulators about svb, when it failed. there were warnings in august, warnings in february. doesn't that suggest it wasn't lack of regulation, but regulators not acting? >> well, it was both. >> the reason, they flagged and not doing anything. >> when congress passed deregulation, there's not a

straight line between that and what happened but it sends a signal to the fed that maybe congress doesn't care as much. i think there was lacks oversight. look, they noticed there was risk there, but they didn't do the right liquidity or stress test. they didn't do a test to see what happens in a high inflation environment when chair powell has been saying over a year he's going to raise rates. >> you have confidence in chair powell and mary daly at the san francisco fed? >> i don't think you can blame chair powell. i don't think you can blame him for this. we need to know what are the concrete reforms? let's stop having bank executives on this boards and make sure you have better liquidity tests and stress tests and the regulations we repealed in 2018 back there and have some statement on guaranteeing bank deposits so i don't have to come here every few weeks. >> with another crisis. a looming one, what to do about the debt ceiling, the fed is predicting a mild recession is head of us. the president has overseen the

highest inflation that we have seen in decades in this country, whether he calls it or not he's overseeing it. you have these looming issues and the standoff over the debt ceiling. it is not a sustainable position for the white house to say they're not going to negotiate with republicans. is it? >> here's what is sustainable, pay your bills. if you're a family, you have credit cards -- >> sounds like you're agreeing it's not a sustainable position. >> we should pay the bills and negotiate. negotiate on deficit reduction. the last person to leave a surplus was bill clinton. repeal the trump tax cuts, repeal some of the bush tax cuts for the very wealthy and not have all these overseas wars. i mean, the democrats have a plan and let's raise taxes on the top wealthy. before we get there, we pay our bills. if you're a family of a credit card debt who says let's not pay the bill? >> the president was saying, kevin mccarthy pass something or

tleeftsz put out a plan -- at least put out a plan and i'll talk to you and now he's passed something and the president says he will not engage with him. the political cost and the economic one is very real here and it will stick to the president. >> the president saying he's not going to be hostage in having veterans cuts on health care and having cuts on k through 12 education and having cuts on food stamps and having cuts on manufacturing to pay our bills. he's saying we can negotiate, but first pay your bills. i think senator mcmcconnell understand and i think the president will sit down with senator mcmcconnell. he knows he can't default. >> you think that's the back channel that will figure this out? >> or kevin mccarthy has to come without 22% cuts on veterans benefits. >> well we will see. i hope to have you on again when there's not a looming crisis. congressman. last week two heavily republican states, nebraska and south carolina failed to pass near total abortion bans. south carolina republican congresswoman nancy mace joins us now, and it's good to have

you here in person, you're often joining us remote. >> thank you for having me. >> i want to get to a lot of what we talked about there with the debt ceiling, but let's start off on abortion. you've been talking about the -- this being a very moral issue, but also a political one that will impact voters in 2024. nikki haley, former ambassador, former governor of your state, said no republican president will be able to ban abortion nationwide and believes there's a federal rule on abortion but didn't say what she believes. no limits exactly, no exceptions. does she need to? >> i think any presidential candidate, anyone running for office at the federal level including members of congress, incumbents and people running to flip seats in 2024, need to have a position, need to articulate that position, what i've been trying to do since roe was overturned show a road map. i represent a swing district in south carolina which shows a road map for winning states that are purple or districts that are

purple and articulating where we stand on the message. we have to show -- i'm pro life. but i'm a conservative who reaches across the aisle and works with the other side. i've worked with ro khanna. i work with democrats all the time on issues where we can agree on. there's so much when it comes to protecting life and protecting women, that we can agree on in terms of guesttational limits. something that can happen at the state and federal level. i talked to and listened to my constituents all the time and i read a letter from a woman who is no longer republican, an independent voter now, pro choice, and her guesttational limits are 14 weeks. i'm a pro life ledge lay tour i'm 15 to 20 weeks. there's so much in how we talk about the issue, but we have to as republicans show compassion towards women and life. you can do both and win. i did it overwhelmingly in november when we won by 14 points, overwhelmingly in a swing district. >> just for clarity, the majority of abortions are performed in that window of 15

weeks. >> right. >> so former president trump has taken criticism from republicans for not specifying a position either, has said it's up to the states. both of south carolina's senators have picked that window 15 weeks, 20 weeks, tim scott is running for president potentially here. he said he would sign a 20-week limit. is he closer to what the republicans need to be doing than nikki haley is? >> 15 to 20 weeks is the sweet spot here because democrats often are at 24 weeks and that's too far for a lot of people. no one wants zero. no one wants zero weeks. >> you want this at the federal law. >> it can be. i think there's a rule for the state government and for the federal government. if it's guesttational limits we can find agreement. 15 to 20 weeks, pro life groups like susan b. anthony, against it now, but they were with 20 weeks for exceptions. for years, republicans have been for 15 to 20 week bans with

exceptions including both my senators from south carolina at the federal level and most 80% of america would agree with that. they want us to protect women and girls who are victims of rape, incest, lives at risk. we also need to make sure that birth control that women have access to birth control, particularly in rural areas, and south carolina, we have 14 counties in our state that don't have a single ob-gyn doctor. what do we do with the babies born unwanted, our foster care system, adoption care, birth control, there's so many things that we can work on to show that we're pro women. rape kits. we have over 100,000 rape kits that have yet to be processed. we can do both. we can walk and chew gum at the same time. >> you said republicans need to have a woman on the ticket. >> yep. >> nikki haley endorsed you. are you ready to endorse her? >> we're going to see how the race shapes up. not everybody is in. i'm watching carefully. i love nikki haley. i have not been quiet about that. she was the only person to endorse me in my election last

year and i want to see a woman on the ticket. i want to see who jumps in and give everybody a shot. i'm cheering her on. she's a constituent and i love what she's doing and she gave a speech last week on women's issues. that's very important. women are watching. >> do you want her to go farther and be more specific? >> i would love to see her move on. >> can a republican candidte who supports or signs into law as governor desantis did a six-week limit to abortion -- >> in the dead of night, by the way, yeah. >> can he succeed in running for the presidency? is this going to be something that -- and people who are in republican districts have to make this calculus? you say you're in a purple one. >> it's the number two issue in my district. number one is inflation, debt ceiling is an important issue, number two is abortion and find finding a ground. signing a six-week ban that puts victims of rape and incest in a hard spot isn't the way to change hart hearts and mind.

the requirements he has for rape victims are too much, not something i support as a nonstarter. i am a victim of rape. raped by a classmate at 16. i am very weary and the devil is always in the details. we've got to show more care and concern and compassion for women who have been raped. i don't like the bill was signed in the dead of night. puts him in a difficult position for a general election in my opinion which is why i have been so vocal on this issue, i would like us to win. i would not only like us to win the electoral college, i want us to win the popular vote. if we can show the middle ground which shouldn't be controversial, birth control shouldn't be controversial. it keeps the number of abortions down if women have access to birth control. it shouldn't be controversial. >> it's interesting because some candidates like mike pence have said he would sign a 15-week limit but he wants to get to a ban. there's some nuance in there too and some of these positions. i want to ask about debt ceiling. you opposed and then voted for speaker mccarthy's bill we were discussing with congressman canna here to lift the debt

ceiling in exchange for trillions of cuts. bill dead on arrival in the senate. white house is not readied to negotiate. can you be confident that we will avoid getting close to defaulting, even if we don't get over the cliff? >> it's dangerous -- >> we don't want to play chicken with the economy. when i sat down with kevin mccarthy on wednesday, we talked about us leading a balanced budget amendment. i believe we needed to do that. as you mentioned, as ro mentioned, the last time we balanced a budget was under bill clinton. republicans in '94 put together a plan to balance a budget in 98 with a democrat president and republican majority. it is not out of the thinking that we can do this together. democrat president, republicans in charge. we did it again, we had cut cap and balance in 2010 with obama as president. >> are there red lines for you, though? >> well, certainly the fear tactic of default is a red line. that is not going to happen. we get 11 times the revenue that we need to pay the interest on the debt. the president can prioritize

spending. we don't know -- no one wants to cut veterans benefits or social security or food stamps. we have $31 trillion in debt that was started by both sides under president trump, $8 trillion added to the debt. under president biden $4 trillion. that's $12 trillion in six years. the president needs to come to the table, take a look at what we have offered and start negotiating. this is a serious problem and as ro mentioned earlier, families are living paycheck to paycheck and they have to balance their checkbooks so should the federal government. our tax revenues last year were $4.7 trillion, yet spending $6 trillion every single year. >> we are not going to abandon this issue. we know it's going to be looming for some time. thank you. both of you, for joining us. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. ent how? aren't we all just looking for the hottest stocks? (fisher investments) nope. we use diversified strategies to position our clients' portfolios for their long-term goals. (other money manager) but you still sell investments that generate

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we're joined by texas congressman tony gonzales. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you for having me, margaret. >> i don't have to tell you this date of may 11th, but for our viewers that's when the health emergency restriction known as title 42 will expire. homeland security is looking at 10,000 people per day potentially crossing the border. do the agents you represent have what they need to deal with the surge? >> they do not, margaret. this is, honestly, the fourth time we've seen this title 2 is going to end and every time we come to this situation, before the crisis is an uptick in illegal immigration, whether it's brownsville, whether it's eagle pass or el paso. now it's all three of those areas. so the numbers are getting worse. the agents are beyond an exhausting point. it's not just at the border. you're seeing places 100, 150 miles from the border are just as overwhelmed as if they were

on the rio grande themselves. >> you are set to vote in the house on may 11th on a border bill. you're part of the congressional hispanic conference which opposed the republican bills on the grounds that you needed provisions in it to help legal migrants in the asylum process. i know you are now on board, draw us your position, what changed and is there anything that can get through a democratic controlled senate? >> yeah, margaret. it's an exciting time for the congressional hispanic conference which i'm a co-chair with mario diaz-balart. it's the first time we've set a marker down and said our voices will be heard. i've been very public and essentially negotiated in public and in private, one of the things that i in particular ask for is to not curb legal immigration, not hamper those that are legally doing the things that they need to do to come over and a lot of that was

stripped away in the judiciary part which is half of the package. the homeland security package, i sit on that committee, i asked for specific things. one, ensure we hold cartels accountable. you want to get to the root of the cause they're the issue. we go down this path of labeling cartels as terrorists. another is giving resources -- >> what does that do? >> we added 110 -- $110 million for deputy sheriffs and local law enforcement officers. i did a ride along with the medina county sheriff's office on monday, 120 miles from the border. their police cruisers are getting trashed and other things. we have to give a pay raise to the border patrol agents. we have to go further. >> on that house bill you just voted for to lift the debt ceiling in exchange for cuts, the white house means it would cut funding for customs and border protection. do you have any guarantees in the future deal, there won't be

cuts to the agents you represent? you just signed a bill that would do that? >> look, i was on the fence. it was 215 to 215 when i ended up voting in favor of the debt ceiling, so i have some very deep concerns with the direction we're going. universal cuts don't always solve the issue. in the same breath, just throwing money at a problem doesn't solve the issue. i'm trying to go where is the money going, how does dhs, instead of getting a blank check, how do we give them money to the things that will help secure the border like repatriation flights. these are flights people that do not qualify for asylum, they don't get flown to new york or d.c. or chicago, they get flown back to their country of origin. that is how you solve the border crisis. other things like hiring border patrol agents. you can't give dhs a blank check and have them spend things that only encourages illegal

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welcome back to "face the nation." we return to our conversation with texas republican congressman tony gonzales who joins us from san antonio this morning. i want to pick back up on border

security. migrant families after may 11th, if they cross into the u.s., illegally, will not be detained by the biden administration. the trump and obama administrations did detain families. should families be detained? >> there should be repercussions for people that enter the country illegally. this is where the biden administration is getting wrong. first off, they're doing more and i appreciate the fact that they're trying different things. it's taken them a while, but i appreciate that. they're putting all their time and effort into illegal immigration, finding ways to increase capacity and ways where people can come over illegally quicker. the reality is, nine out of ten people that come over into our country illegally, do not qualify for asylum. so stop sending them down that route when you know they're not going to qualify for asylum. i am of the mindset we need to encourage those that come over legally. >> you would have to change the

asylum laws though. >> you do have to change the asylum laws. it's something that president should work with congress on. say one thing about immigration other than just blame others. congress has a role to play and us passing this bill in the house on security is important. the next step is immigration reform. i am committed to doing that. you haven't seen anyone try immigration reform in the past decade. i think it's long time that we do something in my opinion that starts with protecting those doing it legally through work visas. >> do you think it's humane to keep kids in detention centers with their parents? >> there needs to be a process where folks have their asylum claim heard in days, not years. if they qualify for asylum, welcome to the united states. and if they don't, you have to send them back to their country of origin. what we can't do is what we're having now, right now we have tens of thousands of children that are just being released into this country. what is happening to these children?

regardless of their legal identity, i mean, what is happening to the children? we have to enforce lawsuit on the books and we have to encourage those to come over legally. make it easier for folks to obtain work visas. >> okay. health and human services takes those kids, custody of them, point taken on needing to watch what happens next. congressman, thank you very much for your time today. we want to turn now to gary cohn, vice chairman of ibm, former goldman sachs president and former trump administration top economic adviser. good morning to you. lots of titles and experience. that's why we like having you here. i want to you about what's happening with first republic. it's been under pressure. we know they've been looking for a buyer. the fdic, the government, is looking to arrange moving night government control and then maybe selling it. what are you hearing about how this would roll out? >> margaret, thanks for having

me. i think you're portraying the situation as we find ourselves again on a weekend. as we closed business friday the fdic was in the process of looking for bidders for the assets. over the course of the weekend the fdic asked potentially three banks for their final bids for the bank. the fdic would prefer to sell in its entirety than the pieces. what will likely happen, the if, dic will seize control and resell the asset to the successful bidder. i think that will happen some time later this afternoon before the markets open in asia this evening. >> this will be a faster process than what happened with svb? >> it will be a much faster process. we've been going down this process for the last two weeks or so as first republic continues to be under pressure and continues to lose deposits. unfortunately first republic reported this week they had a massive outflow of deposits over the last quarter. >> if first republic is sold then the acquirer would take on

the deposits, so what do you think about the conversation we had earlier with congressman khanna about whether congress needs to do something here? because it seems like we're just going into emergency mode now for three banks. >> yep. >> does there need to be a broader change to the regulatory system and to the laws? >> well, it's an interesting question. so look, i don't agree with congressman khanna that we want unlimited fdic insurance. that is a race to the bottom. >> you had picked like $2 million, $5 million, $10 million. >> thee has to be some limit because you don't want a total race to the bottom where, you know, the weakest bank, the weakest balance sheet, can offer you the highest rate of return on your deposits and therefore you take your deposits there because guess what, they're insured by the federal government. that's not what we want to see. we want to see some type of discipline in the system. when you talk about more and more regulation, i smiled because if you look at the

report that came out that you referenced with ro khanna as well, one of the findings in the report is that the regulators did not do a very good job in enforcing the existing rules. if you can't enforce the rules you have on the books -- it's hard to enforce the rules because there are so many rules -- do you want to create more and more rules when you can't enforce the ones you have. part of me feels like we need to get a simpler, more coherent set of rules, so the bank regulators can enforce them. they know what important rules are. >> the bank regulators here are at the fed. that's what we're talking about. >> they're at the fed and states. remember we have state regulated banks and federally regulated banks. >> that's a big conversation for california since they had two banks have problems. fed chairman powell is going to face questions from the press midweek. >> yes. >> he gives a press conference around the decision on interest rates that he is expected to be making. do you think these banking problems are going to interfere with his plan? >> i don't think these problems

are going to interfere with his plans. i think they're helpful to his plans. >> because they're slowing the economy. >> exactly. the chair has been trying to slow the economy down. he's been trying to tamp down inflation. inflation is too many goods chasing too few products and part of the chasing has been the easy availability of credit. now that we've seen deposits leave the system and seen banks and their financial position, they are not offering loans as easily as before and the loans have become more expensive, people borrowing less money, less access to credit so their ability to purchase is going down. purchasing power is waning in the united states, which is exactly what the chairman has been trying to do by raising interest rates. he's, in essence, getting an enormous amount of help out of the banking crisis, not what he wanted to see happen, but the unin unin unintend consequence is helpful. >> does it up the odds of the recession being more than mild?

>> it probably ups the odds, yes. it takes control out of fed. the fed no longer in total control of slowing down the economy. they have the banking industy playing along with them. but as we've seen in the economic data recently, the consumer in the united states still is in relatively good shape. they are startin to run out of savings. the money that they got during covid, we put an enormous amount of stimulus into consumers' bank accounts -- >> both administrations. >> trump and biden. >> every administration put an enormous amount of stimulus in the bank accounts. we see from the savings data that's starting to wear down and run off. so as that runs off further and further the economy would become more credit dependent to keep driving. i think we will see a slowdown. i still think we're in a relatively decent shape. we may have a recession but we could muddle through the bottom without a real deep recession. >> the chair of the house financial services committee

congressman mchenry called the fed's report a self-serving justification of democrats' long held priorities. doesn't look like congress is doing anything to change regulation or laws related to banking. there was an fdic report on the collapse of signature bank which blamed bad management but also said regulators just didn't have enough staff in new york. i mean, there's some pretty damaging bits of information in here. if you put aside the politics, the regulators don't enough staff? they didn't act? who are they being held accountable by, unless it's chair powell? >> well, it is chair powell and i think when the chairma goes to congress -- he testifies in front of the house and senate a couple times a year -- historically all the questions have been on monetary policy. we will start seeing a lot more quest on the regulatory policy. are they keeping up to what they

these to do? do they have proper staff? are there issues going by that are not being covered. this is a huge finding, a bit of a seismic moment because we believe in the united states and i think the u.s. population believes, that banks where they deposit their hard earned money are regulated and we have found out this week in the fed's own report that these banks are not well regulated and they admitted it themselves. i ran a regulated bank. i know that if we would have told our regulator we did not have a -- enough people to regulate ourselves they would have shut us down. >> right. >> we cannot be in a position where the regulators say we do not have enough staff to regulate you properly. >> you ran one of the biggest banks. we have to leave it there and be back in a moment. medicine. this is a leading healthcare system with five nationally ranked hospitals, including two world-renowned academic medical centers. in boston, where biotech innovates daily and our doctors teach at harvard medical school

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a search is under way in texas for a gunman who allegedly killed five of his next door neighbors, including an 8-year-old on friday. sheriff's deputies say the suspect entered the neighbor's

house firing his ar-15 execution style after they asked him to stop firing the gun in his yard while their baby slept. thursday we sboekpoke with the parents about impact of violence on their children and we spoke with a mother about the biggest concern of raising her daughter is safety. >> we never had things like lockdown drills or anything like that inn schohool. having her come home when she was even in kindergarten and first grade telling me about this is something that is concerning to me. >> what was that conversation like? how did you talk to her about gun violence? >> well, i live in a home where my husband does have firearms, and we'vee learned too u use th respectfully and there's a lot of rules and regulations around the safe use of guns. she didn't really seem very scared about it. she said that, you know, the teachers did a very good job of it. what was concerning to me is just like at such a young age they're learning that this could

happen. >> i know, scott, you are in ohio and, wayne, you are in arkansas. i imagine you are familiar with guns yourselves in your communities? >> yes. also lockdown drills. my wife is an early childhood intervention specialist and has been, for decades, and i've been a substitute teacher. luckily we've not had shooters but we've had to talk to our kids and they've had to live through us notifying them that we were locked down in a school and them notifying us there were lockdowns in schools. >> does that cause your children to worry? >> they've seen us make it through, and they have understood what the lockdowns were about. often they were in my wife's neighborhood, somebody was shot a couple blocks away, but that's enough to lock down the school.

they understand there is a risk, but that risk is spread out across the united states and even with the awful amount that's happening, the chances of them happening at their very school on that day, they have bigger worries. >> wayne, how much concern does gun violence cause for your children, particularly in school? >> me being ex-military, i'm a veteran, they come to me telling me we want to learn. my biggest concern is i have an elementary school here that when everybody is inside, it turns into praisen. -- prison. the gates are locked, the windows are locked. i'm kind of concerned about that because if it gets past the front door, they can't get out. >> scott, i know in your state there was recently law passed to make it easier for public school teachers to carry guns. do you think that makes schools more secure? >> no.

i think that it does quite the opposite. again, a school shooter is not a common experience. you bring in -- guns into classrooms then you have millions of guns across the nation in classrooms five days a week. you have all sorts of opportunities to create a gun disaster. she wouldn't have had before they did this. >> show of hands, do all of you believe that mental health is an issue right now and primarily to blame for the gun violence that we've been seeing? raise your hand if you think it's true? alall o of you think mentatal h >> i do think it's a contributing factor, though, especially when you see some of the school shootings with the younger individuals, yeah. i feel like we're not doing enough to stop it from happening. >> okay. so how many of you, show of hands, think gun laws should be more strict in your state?

scott, you're the only one who wants your state of ohio to have stricter gun laws. okay. how many of you think the federal government can do more to make life safer for kids when it comes to gun violence? scott, again, you're the only one. christine, why don't you think that governmnment can d do more? >> a lot of people think of rerestricting, passising morore. the criminals don't listen to the laws. if they did, they wouldn't be criminals. >> wayne, when it comes to mental health, you also don't think there's something that the state or federal government could do as it relates to the link between mental health and gun violence? >> i thihink the laws that are already on the books need a

little bit more human involvement. we need more people that look at what -- who is picking up this gun and what they're going t do with it. >> how many of you are optimistic about the country right now? raise your hand if you're optimistic. >> wayne and scott. chriristine? no? > i mean,, the economy is no great. some of the relationships with foreignn countntries are not as good as they used to be. i mean, it's just -- yeah. i do think like drugs are a big deal, the bullying is a big deal. i don't know. i do think there's a lot of issues. >> i'm a born again christian. i have a he very tight understanding of what that means. i am seeing this country at this moment. in ten years it's going to be about the same. they're making it seem like there's something going on that's pulling our economy down. if we keep thinking that, we

will go down. if we change our mindset, if you can shake it off, the sun comes up, you keep going. >> scott, what are you optimistic about? >> it also is related to my church experience. i see a lot of people connecting and still connecting. you know, you see on the media how everything is going down and is just on the edge of falling off a cliff. i think we can pull together and move. >> you've got to pull together. because if we don't, we will go down -- we will go down that rabbit hole. >> i like your sentiment that we all need to pull together. i think that's a good note for us to end on today. we'll be right back.

russian forces fired dozens of missiles and drones into ukraine with the heaviest barrage in weeks, just as kyiv says preparations are under way for a major spring counter offensive.

our charlie d'agata has the latest. >> reporter: a fuel storage depot erupted into an inferno on the russian occupied planes of crimea. russia blamed a drone strike. a ukrainian official would only call it god's punishment. the heaviest bombardment this country has seen in weeks. almost two dozen civilians killed in the central city of uman. including small children. we found residents digging out after a missile strike outside dnipro that killed 13-year-old olga and her 2-year-old daughter veronica. her uncle told us, she was very funny, very clever. we had big hopes for her. there are nono military t targe here andnd i it's nowhere near front line.. where trench warfaree rages on especially in an around the contested city of bakhmut.

a front line that might be about to expand dramatically as ukraine's defense minister announced the counteroffensive is about ready for launch. his words, just waiting for god's will and the weather. nato announcing that 98% of the promised combat vehicles have been delivered, among them 230 tanks. but, there are serious concerns, part of those leaked intelligence documents over ukraine's rapidly dwindling air defense systems, a question we put to senior defense official alexi danny love. >> what can you tell us about that? >> i can tell you that we are constantly working on this issue, he said. we're in great need of aircraft. we need a new means of anti-air defense if we want to be successful in this war. analalysts say i if russian fig jets and bombers are able to operate freely over the skies in ukraine, it could drastically change the course of the war. it's impossible to overestimate

the importance of air defense systems in safeguarding cities like here in dnipro and the capital kyiv where defense officials say 11 missiles and two drones were intercepted in the latest wave of attacks. margaret? >> charlie d'agata, thank you. the struggle for democracy and freedom of the press were the main focus of last night's annual white house correspondents' dinner, in a washington ballroom packed with journalists, politicians and celebrities. president did get some laughs, as he made fun of his age and when he took some swipes at republicans and conservative leaning media outlets. but his tone was sober when he called for the release of wrongfully detained journalist evan gershkovich in russia and austin tice who has been held in syria for 11 years >> journalism is not a crime. evan and austin should be released immediately along with

every other american held hostage or wrongfully detained abroad. paul whelan, unjustly held in russia for more than four years. they are not forgotten. i promise you, i am working like hell to get them home. my commitment is to bring them home. just as i know your commitment is to continue to be a free and fearless press. and that's what we honor tonight. you make it possible for ordinary citizens to question authority. a free press is a pillar, maybe the pillar, of a free society, not the enemy. >> the president's remarks are usually the highlight of the event, but last night there was one guest in attendance who stole the show. >> never give up on hope. things can get better. things can turn. things can change.

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