♪ because you came to my rescue ♪ ♪ and i know that ♪ i'm margaret brennan in washington, and this week on "face the nation," border politics, and an exclusive with republican presidential candidate nikki haley. title 42, the pandemic-era restriction that allowed the u.s. to quickly expel migrants has been lifted. >> the invasion we're going to see is going to be massive. >> it's going to be chaotic for a while. >> but have those fears been realized? we'll have comments from republican congressman tony gonzalez. and those from two border cities, laredo and el paso. what's going to fix the overall issue? the 2024 election is till more than 500 days away, but already republican primary contenders are offering their ideas.

>> don't tell me foreigners can just decide to come across the border when they want to. we decide who comes into this country as americans. >> when you say to a family that if you come here, we're going to break you up, they don't come. >> we'll speak exclusively with former south carolina governor and trump u.n. ambassador, nikki ha ha haley, and get her thoughts on solving the border crisis. plus, as inflation slows ever so slightly, we'll talk with the biden administration's new top economic adviser. finally on this mother's day, we'll take a closer look at a disturbing trend, a rise in maternal mortality rates. we'll be joined by democratic congress won lauren underwood who's trying to find a way for congress to help. it's all just ahead on "face the nation."

good morning, and welcome to "face the nation." customs and border patrol says the first days of new border policies did not bring a spike in illegal crossings, but migration is still at historically high levels. border patrol is preparing for daily migrant rivals to increase to between 12,000 to 14,000 per day, and they face major operational challenges with many detention fachilities over cap capacity. not surprisingly, the narrative from the two political parties are at odds. we have three texas guests standing by. we want to begin with former south carolina governor and presidential hopeful, nikki haley. good morning to you. >> good morning. happy mother's day. >> and happy mother's day to you as well. i want to start with the issue of the day, what's happening at

the border. the biden administration has done a number of things. they've restricted asylum, barring migrants who appear at a port of entry withoutasd for re country. they face a five-year ban. they plan to open processing centers in latin america. do you support any of that? >> i'm just surprised it took them so long, you know, you look at the fact that it wasn't broken to start with. they broke it. 5 million illegal immigrants have crossed the border. i went with congressman gonzalez 400 miles along that border, and what i saw was unbelievable. you have ranchers that get up and get their coffee in the morning and go see if someone died crossing the fence. they pick up any little kids left over and take them to border patrol. when you talk to sheriffs, sheriffs say before 7:00 a.m., they've rounded up illegal immigrants, turned them over to border patrol who documents them, and then releases them until their court date three or

four years from now. you ask border patrol what they do, and they said, we're glorified babysitters. we need to let them do their job. we've got to enforce some things, and we should do what i did when i was governor which is pass one of the toughest immigration laws in the country, and do a mandatory e-verify program that says no business can hire someone in this country illegally. >> there is a global migration crisis as you know, but for decades, congress has failed to enact any kind of significant immigration reform including during the trump administration when there was unified republican control. how different would it be? why would it be any different if you were in charge? >> well, first of all, i'll tell you this is a crisis created by republicans and democrats. this very much should have been dealt with a long time ago, and it wasn't. what i would do is first of all do the mandatory e-verify. i would defund sanctuary cities. i would go back to remain in mexico because no one wants to

remain in mexico. i would fire the 87,000 irs agents that are going after middle america and put 25,000 border patrol and i.c.e. agents on the ground and instead of catch and release, we need to catch and deport. we have to be serious about the fact we are a country of laws and the moment we stop being a country of laws, we give up everything this country was founded on. >> deportation is problematic to countries where the u.s. has strained relations like venezuela and cuba. even if you catch, you can't deport. for cuba and venezuela, would you keep those trump-era sanctions on those countries which are already economically distressed and some say, this makes it even worse? >> we always want to take care of people who have been persecuted, but we've got to take care of americans first. we've got to start looking at the fact that every state is a borderstate and we have had enough fentanyl cross the border to kill every single american.

the number one cause of death in adults 18 to 49 is fentanyl. we can't take care of anyone else if we can't take care of ourself. >> you would keep the sanctions on those countries is what i hear? >> i think we need to stop the bleeding of the border, and completely do immigration reform before we can think of taking anybody else into this country. >> how would you take america's asylum policies? because many people coming to these spports of entry are doin it legally. they're asking for protection. >> i think there's legal immigration that we can focus on at the same time, and i think that needs to be focused on. what does our country need? let's do it by merit. let's do it by talent. let's do it based on what the businesses need, but let's not do it just because people happen to cross the fence and get away. let's not do it because we have crowded facilities, and we can't hold anymore. that's the wrong way to go about it. we have to make sure this is a national security issue. we have to vet them.

we have to know exactly who's coming in here. iran has said that the easiest way to get into america is through the southern border. we shouldn't wait for another 9/11 to realize that republicans and democrat havs have to get i room and figure out immigration reform and start working for the american people instead of the other way around. >> would you support the policy of separating migrant children as their parents as deterrents? >> it shouldn't get from that point. we shouldn't be separating families, but we shouldn't take in families we have no control over. no one wants to be inhumane about this. i saw at the united nations what happens to these people who are trafficked. i mean f a, if a child loses a , they leave the child there. if a person gets sick, they leave them to die. we shouldn't be waving the green flag in the first place. this started when biden took office and said, america is open. we never should have had that happen. >> migration has been spiking for years now, but let me ask you about another issue, and that is abortion.

it is legal in your state of south carolina up to 20 weeks w post-conception which is someth whou wer governor. there are exceptions for if the mother willotive. ou wanhat to be the standard? >> i don't want unelected justices to be deciding something this personal. i have said i'm pro-life not because the republican party tells me to be, but because my husband was adopted, but having said that, i think what happened when it went back to the states, now there could be consensus in each state. there are some states that have been pro-life. i welcome that. there are some states that have erred on the side of abortion. i wish that wasn't the case, but it is. we need to make sure that people's voices are heard, and i think we need to do this from a humanizing standpoint and not a demonizing standpoint which was done in the past. >> so the law you passed in south carolina, you would not necessarily want as the national standard? >> well, the law in south

carolina was the furthest we could get it at the time. that was before roe was overturned. for a national standard, i think we have to tell the american people the truth. in order to do a national standard, you would have to have a majority of the house, 60 senate votes, and a president. we haven't had 60 pro-life senators in 100 years. so the idea that a republican president could ban all abortions is not being honest with the american people any more than a democrat president could ban these pro-life laws in the states. so let's be honest with the american people and say, let's find national consensus. let's agree on, you know, getting rid of late-term abortions. let's agree on the fact that we need more adoptions. let's agree on the fact that we need accessible contraception. let's agree on the fact that mot mothers shouldn't be jailed or get the death penalty for abortions. if we're going to talk about weeks ask kamala and biden. are they good at 35 weeks, 37 weeks? at what point are they okay?

up until now, they were for abortion up until the time of birth. is that what they think the national standard should be? >> president biden said he would sign roe into law which was until fetal viability, which is up to 24 weeks. >> which is six months which is late-term. >> the majority of them are performed under 13 weeks. two of your fellow south carolinians, including one that's going to run, we think, tim scott, said he would sign into law abortion protections up to the 20th week. so he is picking a week. some of your fellow republicans are. why do you feel like that's misdirection? >> i'm not going to lie to the american people. nothing's going to happen if we don't get 60 votes in the senate. we're not even close to that on the republican or the democrat side. why try and divide people further? why not talk about the fact that we should be trying to save as many babies as possible, and support as many mothers as

possible? i think the media has tried to divide them by saying we have to decide certain weeks. in states, yes. at the federal level, it's not realistic. it's not being honest with the american people. >> i want to ask you as a conservative woman, do you think it undermines your party if the republican front-runner is someone who was just found liable -- legally liable for sexually abusing a woman? >> i have always said that anyone that feels like they have been sexually assaulted in any way should come forward and have their voice heard. i also think anyone that's been accused should be able to defend themselves. i was not on the jury. i am not the judge. i think that both of them had their voices heard. there's been a verdict, and there's been an appeal, and dd -- donald trump was offered to defend. >> he gave a deposition, but he didn't go in to defend himself and it was a jury that came to this conclusion. are you drawing into question the legal findings?

>> no. i said there's a verdict, and i think there's been an appeal, and i think it stands where it stands, and i think the american people need to make a decision based on that. >> all right. nikki haley, thank you for coming on today and making your case. we're going to go now to gonzalez with more on what he is seeing at the border. good morning to you, congressman. >> good morning, margaret. >> i know you have shared with us some videos that you filmed friday inside a customs and border patrol facility in el paso. i want to show them to our audience now, and i want you to tell us what we're seeing here. why do you think this is significant? >> yeah. first, i want to thank nikki haley for coming to my district a month ago and spending the day with me, seeing it first hand. this is what i'm hearing first hand. from mayors, to border patrol agents and vetted media, everyone is saying it's not that bad. so on friday, i visited el paso. i went to the central processing center, and you're seeing these

videos, and this is what not that bad looks like. in the el paso sector, there's over 6,000 people that are in custody. in this particular facility, it's meant to house 1,000 people. it's housing over 3,000. in one of these rooms, the max capacity is 90 people. there was over 400 in here. that's a 450% capacity. in another room meant to house 120 people, there was over 700 people in there. we can't allow not that bad to be the normal. >> right. >> just this week there was a migrant child that died in hhs custody. it's only the second time in history. i'm not looking to point fingers. i'm trying to go, we should not allow not that bad to be the normal. >> well, that was the second death that we know of during the biden administration of a child in custody. there were six during the trump administration, and it is horrific. i agree with you in terms of children passing away like that, but to the point you're making

about overcrowding, this is at the very heart of a legal dispute right now. as you know in a florida court, a federal judge has blocked the biden administration from releasing migrants even though the administration said they would monitor migrants if they had to release them. they're doing that because of the overcrowding. so what is the alternative if a court is saying -- a judge is saying this? >> this is where i disagree with the biden administration. the biden administration is getting it wrong because you're so focused on illegal immigration. they're trying ways to streamline it with the app, and other areas. what needs to happen is we need to focus on legal immigration. this is what is happening. you've got kevin mccarthy on one side that is demonizing those that come over illegally. you've got chuck schumer on the other side of the senate that makes it a morally good thing to help people that are coming over illegally. who gets hurt in this is people who have legal claims. you mentioned it earlier. legal, legitimate asylum claims

and immigration reform gets further and further behind when we only focus on the illegal part. what we have to do is we have to enforce the laws that are already on the books and congress has to create a route where people can come over legally. >> to that point, if someone is asking, is waiting on processing and they need to be held, they can't be deported or if they are waiting for an asylum claim, what is the alternative to releasing them? >> the alternative is bringing -- the president should have surged -- should surge immigration judges to the border, and that person should get their case heard in days, not years. right now in el paso, if you apply on the one app -- i was at the court of entry. if you apply on the app, your court date is 2031. the president could surge instead of 1,500 troops, surge immigration judges as america. if you do not qualify for a asylum, you get sent back to your border. the other part is this. where is secretary blinken in this argumen? his job is to build relationships with cuba, with

venezuela, with nicaragua. he is nowhere to be found. everything is put on secretary ma yorkas to solve. it's unfair to the americans that live here. >> are you saying lift the sanctions on cuba and venezuela? >> i think someone should go there and have a conversation and work with these places. these aren't easy places to work with. there's a reason why people are fleeing venezuela, right? instead of having them go down the asylum route where we know they're not going to qualify, where they're going to have to spend their entire lives living in the shadows, why don't we create a route where people can come over legal ly? >> yeah, but you need to get a law passed. you need to work with democrats to do that. so i need to ask you, because you just said something about speaker mccarthy and demonizing some migrants. homeland security chair mark green said this morning he has a five-point plan to build a case potentially to impeach the

homeland security secretary, alejandro mayorkas. he wouldn't say something like that if the speaker hadn't signed off on it. is that where you should be focusing? republicans should be focusing their energy right now instead of brokering deals on new laws and impeachment? >> what you see is you see career politicians blame somebody else. it's always somebody else's fault and not them, and if the light can be shined on someone else, the more the better -- the more the merrier, and right now the line is shined on secretary mayorkas. this is all of tour problems starting with the president of the united states who needs to lead this country, and starting with congress. you're exactly right. i have been working with my colleagues on the other side of the aisle to come up with a piece of legislation that can get passed in the 118 congress. not what i want, not what they want. what can we pass today to move the ball forward? i think this country needs leadership, not pointing fingers at one another. >> is speaker mccarthy leading on migration and border reform? >> i think did you we passed this hr-2 bill this week, and

what you are going to see is everyone is saying we did our part. it's those senate democrats that aren't doing their part, but in a district like mine which is 42% of the southern border, 60% of el paso county, we're not looking for symbolic bills that have no chance of getting involved. we only get help when a bill becomes a law and the stress is alleviated at all levels. >> yeah. >> what i'm seeing is this overcrowding is becoming normal. it's normal to release people. it's normal to have these tloor u woulck a votece yousedt aeverage to get some things taken out of this border bill that just passed. have you committed to leadership that you will vote yes on any debt ceiling bill that the speaker is able to get through in terms of this? >> i have not. that's what leadership -- whether it's democrat or republican, they want you to

give your vote away to them. i'm not -- my vote is for the people of the 23rd district and one of the things that i have fought so hard in hr-2 was to make sure that these anti-immigrant bills like hr-29 died on the vine. this was a bill that banned legal -- legal claims. that's what i have been fighting for, and many in congress, there is a new generation of both republicans and democrats that are fighting for legal immigration, and we are absolutely against illegal immigration. i think you're going to see our voice get louder and louder as we go on. >> we will be tracking that work. thank you very much, congressman. "face the nation's" back in a minute. tion" is back in a minute.

mr. mayor, are you getting the resources from the state and federal government that you need? >> you know, we are. and it's really important to talk about that because secretary mayorkas, fema, they really have stepped up to help

us make sure that we do the job of the federal government. we all know they're not coming into el paso, they're coming into the united states. so we've been working with them to make sure. we know the immigration process is broken. there's no ifs or buts about it. our city and the southern border couldn't do it without federal aid. >> are you seeing any kind of health impact in your community? >> any what, i'm sorry? >> health impact. there have been reports about health facilities being overburdened. >> you know, one of the things that's -- when the judge passed that law that says they had to have a court date prior to being released into the community, we're prepared. we are prepared. we have two schoolsha i up to to help the asylum seekers and help them go. once they get number then they're prepared to go to their destination, whether to meet with family, friends or a job that they have arranged.

we're prepared and have gotten the help. we do see that the border patrol is full. this morning i got a number and they're at 5700. but we are prepared and ready to move forward. secretary mayorkas and the boyden administration has been a big help to our community because we couldn't do it on our own. >> yeah. well, there have been some complaints from nonprofit organizations that one of the problems with the federal funding through fema is that the government will only reimburse for documented migrants, not undocumented ones. that puts some strain on those local aid groups. what's the impact? >> and that's correct. so we had the red cross come in to help the ngos to provide food, provide help and continue to work with them. so one of the things that if you go into aeral aed shelter, that is eup but we've had the e paso and

they're prepad to continue help them because we need the manpower. there's no ifs and buts about that. >> the red cross? >> yeah, the red cross. >> when you hear -- i think that's just a statement that americans hear about the red cross going in to crises overseas, they don't think about it in a u.s. city. but that help is what you need. are you seeing a concern with the undocumented population in your city? >> you know, those are the ones that are not able to move through and continue to move through and those are the ones that are continuing to work through the immigration process. one of the things you saw on monday, we had about 3,000 out at sacred heart church. the federal government, the border patrol went in there and helped them all fill out the documents, get moving forward. the ones that couldn't figure that out, they were returned hopefully into their country.

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welcome back to "face the nation." we turn now to mayor victor trevino for a look at what's going on in the southwestern border of texas in laredo. good morning. >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> it's great to have you here. a few days ago you said your city was boarding up like a hurricane in preparation for the end of title 42. does your city have the resources it needs? do you feel like the hurricane has passed? >> well, first of all, there's no doubt that we're seeing historic challenges at our border. as a doctor i had already been seeing this. even before the end of title 42,

our local hospitals were at or near capacity. there's no pediatric intensive care unit. but everything we have been doing since the declaration of emergency has held up. we have not been overwhelmed at this point. but yesterday we did see around 700 migrants. however, because we received the overflow from el paso and brownsville, we're still on high alert. until we see the numbers at the border patrol custody centers go down, this is when we can say the episode has passed. >> you just said that there is no pediatric health center in your area. you said you were already medically underserved as a community. what's the health situation for the migrants, particularly the children that are coming? >> before they are mainly individuals, now they're family units. family units have children that have traveled miles and miles.

obviously they will need some medical care. so because we don't have the pediatric intensive care unit in our city, that makes it concerning, because as it is, we are at capacity most of the time in our hospitals. ambulances sometimes have to wait outside the emergency room for one or two hours before we can treat patients. now, with this surge, this was very concerning. that's why we activated the declaration of disaster. >> the mayor of el paso was just with us and he said he was getting what he needed from the sate and federal government and thanked homeland security. do you agree? are you getting what you need? >> well, we're getting the buses. migrants come in, they get processed. they get sent to our ngos. the amount of migrants we're expecting initially, the big flow, is not here yet. a lot of things have to do with mexico taking some migrants and

the asylum rules have changed. you have to ask for asylum in different countries before you get here. and also title 8 changed. if you get deported, you can face being barred for five years. and also with the event of the tro, that changed things a little bit. you have to get a court date before you get enrolled into a detention -- into the ngos. >> right. you're talking about all the things the biden administration has tweaked to make it essentially more difficult for those going through asylum, though still having that legal pathway there. more difficult meaning there are more restrictions around it. when you hear presidential candiates talk about shutting down the border, what do you think about that? >> i think this is not a democratic or republican problem, it's an american

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we turn now to the economy and the new chairman of the national economic council, lael brainard. she was most recently the number two at the federal reserve. welcome to "face the nation." good morning to you. >> good morning. >> happy mother's day. >> happy mother's day to you too, margaret. >> you have certainly been busy in this new job. i want to ask you about where we are wh the state of negotiations over the debt ceiling. the president has said talks are moving along. the secretary of the treasury said negotiators have found some

areas of agreement. that sounds like movement. how close are we to a deal? >> yeah. so the staff is very engaged. i would charactrize the engagement as serious, as constructive, and, you know, i think it is, though, margaret, helpful to just lift up and talk a little bit about what is at stake here. so when i talk to ceos, to business leaders around the country, they tell me things are actually going very well. but their biggest concern is that congress might fail to prevent default and that that would be catastrophic. it would lead to higher borrowing costs for cars, for mortgages, for small businesses, even for the u.s. government. and so the most important thing is making sure that congress fulfills its basic responsibility to avert default. >> you said talks were constructive. i know leader mcconnell said the u.s. is not going to default.

and the president when he spoke everyone agreed that defaulting the debt is off the table. so you're saying it's not necessarily off the table? >> so default is something that congress knows how to avoid. congress has -- >> it's still very much a risk? >> congress has acted 78 times in a row to avert default, to prevent default, and we know they have done it. they certainly did it three times under the last administration. so our expectation is that congress will do what is necessary, even as we continue to have parallel discussions on the budget, which is a normal thing that congress needs to do every year. >> and that's what you're talking about now? >> absolutely. >> so the president was asked if the only option was a short-term lift of the debt ceiling and he said he still thought there was time for a whole deal. is that what you're saying?

it's budget and debt ceiling and this can get done before june 1st. >> you know, short term is not a fix, is not really addressing that core uncertainty that ceos are talking about. it's just really important to take default and address it and congress has the tools to do that. they have done it, again, 78 times previously. meanwhile, we also are at the staff level seeing productive discussions around the budget separately, but in parallel. and those discussions are also important and of course that's something that congress wrestles with every year. and so our hope is that those conversations also continue and arrive at a constructive place. >> so the goal is still whole deal by june 1st. >> so right now the focus is on the budget and those discussions, but our expectation is that congress will act to avert default in a timely manner. >> so you were just talking

about your conversations with business leaders. it seems like we're in this game of chicken here. jpmorgan chase's ceo, jamie dimon, said he set up a war room for contingency planning. they meet once a week and he's going to have them start meeting multiple times potentially starting next sunday. so he's planning for potentially the worst. was it a mistake to let things get to this point? were you not the head of the largest bank of america needing to do this? should the white house have started negotiating earlier? >> this is really a responsibility of congress. let's just step back again. the u.s. always pays its bills. the discussions over the debt ceiling, congress' basic obligation, is really just about paying the bills congress has already passed laws to authorize. and so the conversations that are ongoing right now really

very much focused on the budget, which is the future of the fiscal commitments that the u.s. can make. but in terms of the responsibility to pay our bills, america isn't a deadbeat nation. we do pay our bills. congress has always acted. they know how to do it and they have the capacity to do it in a timely manner. >> sure. but the bottom line is you have to get to a deal by a hard date on the calendar, so more time would have been helpful, no? >> again, that is congress' basic responsibility. i think there is a very clear record here where the american people want the u.s. to pay its bills. and i'm sure congress will see its way clear to making sure that happens. >> i'm going to ask you about banks in america. the fed is the main regulator for many of the american banks. that's where you were before you came to the white house.

you said the banking system is sound back in april. but since that time we saw another bank failure. we're still seeing pressure. why still, if it's actually sound? >> so it's important to remember, margaret, that our banking system has nearly 5,000 banks. banks of all sizes. small community banks in small communities all over the country to the largest banks, the money center banks. and so back in march we did see the failure of three banks that are midsize banks. those were dealt with in a way where depositors never had any question but that they would have access to their deposits. so in that sense americans have confidence. the banking regulators took strong actions. we have the tools and they can be used again. more broadly, though, the intem i sound, although we are monitoring very carefully. >> but doesn't the fact that we

still see pressure government sort of ad hoc decision-making on backstopping depositors hasn't solved the problem? >> look, the environment has changed a lot over the last few years with interest rates going up by a large amount. and banks -- several banks that have now failed and been taken over by healthier banks didn't manage their risks. those were isolated problems. but of course we're all monitoring the situation very carefully. but we have the tools. we have taken strong actions. i think people know what the playbook is. >> so no more failures? >> well, in that sense the system overall is sound. i can't speak to particular institutions, obviously. that sits with the bank regulators. but overall you've seen that the banking system is sound and deserves continued vigilance. >> lael brainard, thank you for

joining us today. we'll be back in at.

here in the u.s. maternal mortality is at a 60-year high with minority women facing a disproportionately higher rate.

democratic congresswoman lauren underwood joins us from naperville, illinois. good morning to you, congresswoman. >> good morning, margaret. happy mother's day. >> thank you for saying that. happy mother's day to all mothers out there. can you tell me with those mothers in mind, why are so many american women dying? >> so we know that the united states leads the industrialized world in maternal deaths. since 2018, maternal deaths have increased 89%. we've seen deaths among moms in all racial and ethnic groups. a lot of that has been due to the covid pandemic. 80% of these deaths are preventible. we know why moms are dying and we know policy solutions to take to save moms' lives. so i've introduced a piece of legislation called the momnibus which is an evidence-based solution to end this crisis. >> you put forward that package

actually in 2020, again in 2021. including when democrats controlled congress. i know vice president harris has been an ally on many of these issues. but why didn't democratic leadership push more of these into progress? you're still chipping away at this. >> you're right. so in 2021 we were so pleased that the first bill from the momnibus, protecting moms who served act for veteran moms was signed into law by president biden. that passed the house with unanimous bipartisan support. you're right, the american people are this as a priority and a shared value. we've had broad bipartisan support from the congress to solve this problem. we have several bills within the package that are bipartisan at this time. we have another bill to protect veteran moms called the maternal health for veterans act. we have one to address mental

health conditions and substance use disorders and another to make sure that the technology tools that are available on the market are available to all moms across the country. >> you've said many of these, but none of those things that you are proposing now have a promise to make it to the president's desk, right? you've got to really push this and build a bipartisan coalition to turn this into law. do you have republican allies? >> absolutely. caucus is on taternal health bipartisan caucuses on capitol hill. as i've outlined, there are several pieces within the momnibus that do have bipartisan support and we're coming on the heels of passing 80% through the house in the last congress. we have a pathway to getting this piece of legislation signed into law this year. we are working hard with our colleagues across the aisle in the house and the senate to do so. >> so black and native american women are disproportionately affected by maternal health

issues. there have been books like "the pain gap" that have characterized this as medical misogyny and institutionalized racism. how much of a factor are those things? >> well, we certainly know that black moms are three to four times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications. we know that hispanic moms saw the largest increase year over year in the most recent cdc data and native american moms have disparity as well. this is a problem that touches every mom and all of our families in this country. it doesn't matter if it's urban or rural community, if you live on the east coast, west coast or the south. this is something that touches all of our lives. so we need to make sure we're passing these solutions that solve the problems that we're facing in our health care system. >> so according to cdc, the deadliest states to give birth, those with the highest maternal mortality rates, are arkansas,

mississippi, tennessee, alabama and louisiana. these are all states with very large rural areas. is it simply a lack of access to facilities? >> so that's part of it. we're seeing a lot of consolidation in our rural health care systems, a lot of hospital closures. moms aren't able to get into a facility of their choice to deliver their babies and we also know that there is some real inequities when we talk about medicaid and medicaid expansion. we're losing half of our moms in that postpartum period, a third in that extended postpartum period. a lot of these states medicaid does cut off after 60 days. that's why i'm a big supporter of a mandatory year-long post pardem medicaid expansion

that my colleague robin kelly has been leading in the congress. >> and that matters because these maternal mortality rates, it's not just dying in the process of giving birth, it's going up to 40 days after giving birth. >> a full year postpartum. >> yeah. >> that's right. >> so those dates are key to you. i want to also ask you about what we just heard in the recent days, that there were two children, two unaccompanied minors, one 4 and one 17 years old who recently died in u.s. custody. i know you were very critical of the trump administration when this happened on their watch. what do you make of this happening again? >> in the united states, we shouldn't have children dying in our custody. we have to continue to make sure that there is robust support along the border for those agencies that are caring for migrant children, making sure that they're getting the needed medical care. i am certainly focused on doing a thorough investigation of these deaths. >> do you think these may have been preventible?

>> i don't know. we don't know. i have not gotten those details yet. but since that time of the trump administration, we have had success in shepherding resources to bolster the medical contracts and services that are offered to migrant families along the border while they're in u.s. custody. and since that time we had not had any deaths of children in custody. again, in the united states, we should not have children dying while in u.s. custody. that's unacceptable. and we certainly will be pursuing an investigation. >> okay. well, congresswoman, we will look for progress on that investigation and with your bill here as you continue pushing for more protections for women giving birth in this country. thank you for your time today. we will be right back.

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on this mother's day, we want to take a look at the power of moms. ever since i became one, the phrase "mommy" lands differently. my 2-year-old is learning to talk, but he can shout mommy at the top of his lungs. his 4-year-old brother shouts it daily around 3:00 a.m. it rarely fails to make me jump. that five-letter phrase has so much embedded in it. help me, i'm scared, i'm tired, i'm hungry, i want you to make it better. it's inevitable that one day they'll learn i'm not all powerful. but motherhood means you don't stop wanting to help. whether it is mothers organizing the push for better schools or to stop violence in them or walking across continents to find them a better life. writer elizabeth stone said having a child is to decide forever to have your heart go walking outside your body.

motherhood is hard. i think of my own mom now with wonderment at how hard it must have been to juggle it all. i've learned multi-tasking is a distinctly mom trait. my mother is one of the most sensitive and creative people that i know. she still answers around the clock calls for help from her kids and my wonderful dad. i'm also grateful to my mother-in-law for raising a great son and often riding to the rescue of her grandkids. america has asked a lot of its moms in recent years. today should not be the only day we take the time to say thank you. we could not do it without you. some of my fellow cbs moms and i did a facebook live conversation late last week. if you want to see it, you can find it on our "face the nation" youtube channel. thanks for watching. and to all you moms out there, happy mother's day. until next week. for "face the nation" i'm margaret brennan.

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