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americans familiar with radio-free europe and radio liberty might consider them cold war relics, vestiges to a time of broadcasting straight news behind the iron curtain was considered key to promoting democracy, but as we first reported earlier this year, with a new cold war descending and a hot war blazing in the heart of europe, rferl as it's also known is back en vogue with a $20 million boost from congress the u.s. taxpayer-funded content is streeling original content, mostly video these days, into many of the same former soviet rerepublicans t they targeted ie 191950s.

>> a familiaiar facace on radioe europe.. a ukrainianan war corresesponde he's b been slologging alonongss cocountry's troops with his cama ever since the russians invaded. >> we spoke with him in november from a prague control room alongside his editor, cushnir was in bakhmut under siege by russian troops. >> translator: i will say this in ukrainian. this is the place where they help ukrainian s soldiers who oe here from ththe front linene. this is s a field hospspital. there are about 100 wounded in here. >> you were talking about the routine of it all, but does it feel to you that you are daily putting yourself in harm's way?

>> translator: this is the war. i'm always at risk. even being right here in this hospital i understand that next to it some shelling is happening right at this moment, but everyone in ukraine is now in danger. >> cushnhnir's harrowingng acco can n be seen in m many formats live television, youtubebe, tiktok, conveying as much as he can the reality of humanity's ulultimate follyly. >> translator: the war for me is the stench of blood, gunpowder, sweat and constant mud, and there is no romance about the war. it is about fear, grief and tears. no footage, photos or words can express what is happening right here on the battlefield. >> we're an international public broadcaster and we operate in countries where freedom of the press either does not exist or is under assault. >> jamie fly, a former adviser

to the george w. bush administration is the president and ceo of radio-free europe radio liberty which has been based in prague, a capitital of the e czech repupublic, sincnce. >> we're funded by the u.s. congress, but by law we are editorially independent of the u.s. government. >> today it's not just radio. it's mostly video, correct? >> yeah. so we constantly are debating when to change the name and that may come in the years ahead. >> so it's mostly seen on the internet? >> it varies depending on what market we're in. in iran we're on radio. pakistan we're available on radio, but in russia, belarus, ukraine, people are engaging with our content on social media. >> this modern newsroom is like a journalistic version of the united nations. >> each service, russian, ukrainian, iranian and 19 others

is made up of emigres and ex-pats from those countries. they have their own newsrooms. and broadcast facilities. >> you can read the journalistic documents online and we have a riggious editorial process that determines what we cover. i visit as many of our 20 bureaus as possible. >> russia's multibillion-dollar effort to push disinformation abroad has given the cold war radios new life. prague for an additional russian language channel featuring documentaries, music and comedies. >> this is your area of coverage? >> yes. fly says 40 million people from 23 countries across this broad land mass tune into their coverage. 11 million inside russia despite the kremlin's labeling them a foreign agent. >> that is a common refrain we hear from the kremlin, from

authoritarians that don't like us and we've dealt with that by being very transparent. we cover governments, even governments that are friendly towards the u.s. just as tough as we cover the kremlin. >> radio-free europe was created and nurtured by legendary cold warriors, george canon, cia director allen dulles and presidents truman, eisenhower and kennedy. >> this place, it oozes with history. can you tell me about the driving force, the soul of this place? >> certainly for the journalists it's a commitment to the truth. we live right now in what some would call a post-truth age where people increasingly don't even believe in an objective truth, but this was an organization in the 1950s that was founded on the notion that there is an objective truth. >> radio free combats the soviet line with 21 transmitters.

> one truthth they stilill se with is that they were originally funded by the cia. congress ended that in 1971 and mandated the radios operate without any u.s. government interference, but that hasn't stopped other governments from interfering with them. the history of radio free europe is filled with cold war intrigue. the american broadcaster has been a perennial target of soviet and later russian spies. a number of deadly plots have been foiled including one to poison salt shakers in the cafeteria. still, some high-profile journalists have been assassinated. including rfe host and bulgarian dissident georgie markov who was jabbed with a poison umbrella tip in london in 1978. the terrorist known as carlos the jackal bombed its munich headquarters in 1981.

all told, 18 radio free europe journalists have been killed, two are imprisoned in belarus, one in crimea. pavel butoran runs rfe's 24/7 russian television channel current time. he told us viewership has soared since the invasion of ukraine. >> how many viewers are you getting? >> for tv alone we report 6.2 million weekly views, but for digital platforms this year we've reported 3 billion online views. >> he says many russians watch their live youtube feed in secret using virtual private networks. recently these stickers started showing up in russian cities. they appear to be ads for cheap sugar, but when you scan the bar codes -- >> the qr code, the quick response codes take you to current times website. another one was -- ikea sale,

but the actual qr code took you to our youtube channel and we have notothing to do with that. >> in 2022, the kremlin turned back the clock. it banned independent media outlets and forced the moscow bureau to shut down and made it illegal to call russia's action in ukraine a war with punishment up to 15 years in jail. as anchor of current times' nightly newscast she flouts that law nearly every day. born and raised in moscow, she is essentially exiled here in prague. >> do you think you will be able to go home some day? >> i honestly don't know. >> really? >> there is a chance, you know, that me or any of my colleagues could be detained straight at the airport. i think there is a reason why almost every fair journalist left the country since the beginning of the war.

>> can you explain to those of us from outside of the country what's happening in russia? >> i think that things are moving in a very scary direction. i'm sure that this war brings disastrous consequence not only for ukraine and ukrainian, but for russia and russians. >> a millilion russianan citize have f fled the cocountry in t past year and a half including these four radio free europe journalists who, until recently, worked in its moscow bureau. >> journalists suffer, i think, especially russian journalists. >> fatalists? >> fatalist, yes. >> sergei is an investigative reporter. >> do all of you expect to return to russia? >> not before putin dies, i think. >> it's home, though. >> i still consider russia to be home. to me, russia is occupied by putin, and also russian people

are occupied, many of them, by russian propaganda. >> natalia covers human rights. >> when i came i understood that these media gives you a chance to tell the truth, to cover your stories as you see it, as you want to present it, and there is no pressure of some guidelines from the government. >> anastasia tishenko is at odds with both her country and her paints who believe russian propaganda. >> i tried to send them my report, but they still believe not to me, but still believe russian television. they are afraid of truth. >> afraid of the truth? >> yes. that is how propaganda works. >> alexei alexanderov did a stint inside ukraine before leaving russia. >> after the war begins i decided that i would like to go back to ukraine, not russia

because feel responsible anyway for this war -- >> what do you mean you feel responsible? >> as a part of russian society, and probably i would like to go back to ukraine to help the people in ukraine to rebuild their country. >> his radioio free eurorope colllleagues insidide ukraine e been doing just that. natalie setleska is host and an executive producer of an investigative news series. her reporting helped expose the corruption of former ukrainian president viktor yanukovych who fled to russia. now she's uncovering bigger crimes. >> me and our team, we found out that our investigative skills can really help now in new reality, and we started to investigate russian atrocities

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mozambique's national park was the envy of africa. wildlife drew tourists from all around the world, but beginning in the 1960s, a manmade catastrophe slaughtered the animals until it was said there was nothing left, but mosquitos and land mines. in 2008 we followed an american entrepreneur who dreamed of returning a waste land to

greatness 14 years later, greg carr has something to show the world and as we told you in december, we couldn't resist a return to gorongosa when carr sends out invitations like this. >> just come and sit at a sunset by the lake in the center of this national park. i mean, time stops and you get a hundred colors of yellow and a hundred colors of orange and then the dusk sets in and then a flock of birds go over the water and there's a hippo over there making a noise and there's an impala over there, and you know, well, i could have been here 100,000 years ago, and it might have been the same. >> greg carr's wonder is almost like disbelief. a million acres of africa reborn.

>> when i first came here in 2004 i could drive around with my mozambiquean friends all day long and if we were lucky maybe we'd see one baboon or onewater hog or something, and now we drive around and it's an ocean of wildlife. come around the corner and there's a herd of elephants. go the other direction and there are some lion cubs. 10,000 water buff and i say to myself, nature can rebound. >> the rebound is in southeast africa near the center of mozambique. here, 28 years of war from the '60s to the '90s killed an estimated 1 million people and wiped out 95% of the wild life in gorongosa for food and profit. as the war raged in the 1980s, greg carr was a tech entrepreneur who had made a fortune perfecting voicemail. he quit business to devote

himself to human rights and in 2004 he met mozambique's president joaquin chessano who made a wild pitch. >> he said please come to mozambique and help us. we want to restore our national park. >> when we flew over there this, i said this is it. >> when we met carr in 2008, his nonprofit organization had signed a 20-year contract with mozambique. his plan was to import animals from all over africa. >> step one, we had to remove 20,000 traps and wire snares that were left in this park left over from the war. get rid of all those because when i first came here, and i think we had five or six lines maybe. >> in a million acres. >> in a million acres and the lions that we did have, most of them had three legs because they had stepped in a trap or something, and then second, some of the species were just gone

completely. so we went on a process. first bring in the herbivores. so we'd bring in 200 buffalo and 200 wildebeests and bring in some zebras and then once you have the herbivores you want the carnivores back. we re-introduced leopards. we re-introduced hyenas. the lions all by themselves, their numbers just took off. from five or six lions we now have 200. >> gorongosa's lion conservation is urgent because since 1950, africa's lion population has fallen from half a million to 20,000 due to habitat loss and hunting. we saw how gorongosa is protecting its lions on a mission with park veterinarian antonio palo. he fired a tranquilizer dart. >> right on target.

>> and a 300-pound lioness led us on a chase. >> give space. she left us behind, but she couldn't outrun the sedative. >> there she is. >> she's there sleeping. >> she'd be out for about an hour as dr. paulo changed her failing gps collar. the signal goes to headquarters where they track the prides and herds. a bit of ear was nicked for genetic test and then there was a surprise. >> you think she's pregnant? >> yeah. she looks like pregnant. >> and there is the future of the park. >> yes. the future cubs of the park. >> later, she awoke and headed out with her future cub. >> i never imagined it would go so well or so fast. in 2018 we did an aerial survey. so counting only the big animals we counted 100,000 large animals from the air.

>> thrilled as he is, it wasn't wildlife that drew this 63-year-old idaho native to africa. in 2008 he introduced us to the 200,000 people living around the park. survivors of the wars living on a dollar a day. >> people had nothing. i mean, they didn't have clothes. they were wearing rags or eating tree bark and eating insects and trying to catch mice and this is what struck me. this national park will have to help the people. >> today gorongosa national park employs 1600 people, and tourism brings in cash that goes to the people and goes to the park and greg carr has partnered with the government on health care and education. carr is the biggest donor, but u.s. foreign aid kicks in about $6 million a year.

>> we now work in 89 primary schools which is every single school that surrounds this national park. we are training 600 school teachers right now. think about how difficult it is to create a school system when you don't have teachers that know how to read and write because of generations of war. something we focused on is step one, was very vulnerable girls. a lot of times what happens in poor families, a girl turns 13 or 14 and the family says it's time for her to get married and it may not be what they actually want, but they don't think there's another choice. this is what happens, she marries a farmer and that's it. so we started something called the girls' club. >> there are 3,000 girls in 92 after-school clubs. the program is led by larisa souza. >> why is this the job of a conservation park? >> why not? it should be the job for everyone.

for everyone. education is for everyone. >> the clubs provide the resources to get the girls into high school and it gives students an answer to our question which five years ago wouldn't have made sense. what do you want to be? >> we have a teacher, a nurse, a conservation park ranger and another nurse. >> another nurse. yes. >> when we started the program they didn't know that they had this choice. >> and now they do. >> now they do. >> this land belongs to these people, they've been here forever. it's their animals. it's their land, it's their trees and their cultural and spiritual heritage, right? it's an idea that came from my hero, nelson mandela and the idea was to create a human rights park. what does that mean, right? a park that cares about the people. a park that belongs to the people. so instead of a park turning its back on the people, and the park

saying this your park, these are your animals and these are your opportunities. >> we saw those opportunities on mount gorongosa which was stripped of trees during the wars. here, carr's non-profit foundation is giving away coffee trees. 868 family farmers working for themselves are earning far more than ever. so they can't plant trees fast enough which re-forests the mountain. carr's foundation buys the beans at above the market rate and built the farmers a roasting plant. >> there's no better example of carr's model for lifting people and healing the wild. it's working, but the last 14 years haven't been sweet music alone. since we were here in 2008. >> yes.

>> there have been enormous roadblocks to this project. >> that's right. if i'd known then what was going to come -- >> what came was another civil war in 2013 and then in 2019 a cyclone leveled 100,000 homes. >> okay. there was the six years of war, and then the cyclone. when cyclone edai hit basically every one of our employees became a first responder. so, in other words, oh, there's an elephant right there. >> is there? >> well, there certainly is. i just have to stop and say hello to the elephant. >> we couldn't find the wild life in 2008. >> and now they're interrupting our interview. >> now they're walking in on the interview. [ laughter ] >> well -- >> was there ever a time when you thought to yourself, i did my best, but this isn't going to be humanly possible? >> not for a second. not for one second.

>> with the cyclones, with the return of the civil war? >> i just think every time something like that happens it just makes you more determined not less determined and when you've got people suffering in a war that need help or people suffering in a cyclone that need help you are more committed. you don't lose commitment at a time like that. >> we saw a commitment in the rangers who protect the park. for the flora and the fauna, they sing, we will die for our park. part of what they protect are endangered species, including this mammal with a bottomless taste for termites. pangolins are prized for their scales. veterinarian angela says they

ride on their mother's backs. >> hello there. >> but we found any back will do. >> that's funny, he naturally goes right up to your shoulder and just hangs on your back. >> powerful tail. >> the tail is very powerful. they also are used for protection. >> i am surprised they're so docile. this is a wild animal. >> yes, it is a wild animal. >> for us, the most interesting animal in the park is greg carr, an entrepreneur with the empathy to see the humility to listen, and the optism to act. his business model is creating a new ecosystem where animals that were hunted are suddenly worth much more alive. how much of your personal

fortune have you put into this? >> well, i'd like to keep that a secret but you can probably do the math and figure it out. it's more than $100 million. my message to anybody with money, i mean, what are you going to do? stick it all in your casket? why not enjoy the joy of philanthropy? i would say to the billionaire next door, go out and enjoy spending your money to help some people. >> find your gorongosa. >> go find your gorongosa and it will bless you more than you can possibly ever bless it. cbs sports hq is presented by progressive insurance. today in ft. worth, texas, emiliano grillo made a birdie on the second playoff hole to win the charles schwab challenge over adam schenck. in major league baseball, tampa bay over the los angeles

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rick rubin is one of the most talented music producers of his generation and certainly one of the most interesting. at 60, he's worked with just about every top recording artist across all genres. in an industry focused on churning out hits, he helps artists get in touch with their musical several selves. that sounds mystical and that's just fine with rubin, after all his studio in california is named shangri-la and he's been called a guru by more than a few of the artists he's worked with. before our interview began, rubin crossed his legs, closed his eyes and then suggested we do the same. >> can we spend two minutes eyes closed meditating before we start just to really get here? >> sure.

>> let's do that. >> that's a first. >> nice. >> does meditation help you creatively? >> it clears the distractions. the distractions can get in the way with a direct connection to the creative force. ♪ check it ♪ >> rick rubin is definitely in tune with his creative force. over the last four decades he's produced albums and songs with more than 120 artists. >> just keep them really simple. bah-rum. >> thinking maybe we'll start a capella. i've got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one. ♪ going back to cali ♪ >> he's helped launch careers, ll cool j and public enemy among

them. and is often the go-to guy for artists at the top of their game, like adele. >> exactly when he does and how is difficult to describe. >> do you play instruments? >> barely. >> do you know how to work a sound board? >> no. no technical ability, and i know nothing about music. >> you must know something. >> i know what i like and what i don't like and i'm decisive about what i like and what i don't like. >> so what are you being paid for? >> the confidence that i have in my taste and my ability to express what i feel has proven helpful for artists. >> artists are eager to make the pilgrimage to shangri-la studios in malibu to work with rubin. >> how many studios do you have here? >> there's the main control room here with the live room.

>> the place is minimalist, to say the least. there's no mirrors, no tvs and no signs of rick rubin's extraordinary success. >> i've never been in a recording studio where there's not gold records and grammys. do you have a tiny ego room somewhere? >> i don't. i used to send them all to my parents and i don't know where they are now. it's a distraction. if you start thinking about doing something to achieve that then you're not focused on making this beautiful thing. it undermines the purity of the project. we're going back to the key and we're going back to the tempo. >> rubin has preferred to himself as a reducer instead of a producer. >> i like the idea of getting the point across with the least amount of information possible. >> and that's what you're doing in a recording studio. you're listening to music, to sound and trying to strip it. >> just to see what is actually necessary. getting it down to that essence to start with is really helpful

in understanding what it is. ♪ >> on our first day he brought us in on a jam session with saxophone great kamasi washington. >> what are you listening for, like, right now there's -- what? chimes? piano. >> i'm not listening to any of those things. >> what are you listening to? >> i'm listening to the feeling. >> how do you listen to a feeling? >> well, my body's moving. i feel that melody awaken something in me. >> there's something familiar about it, but i don't think i've heard it before. a feeling of familiarity is a good feeling. >> if you haven't noticed by now rick rubin talks a lot about feelings. >> my aim is not to have my presence felt unless it's necessary, unless it's helpful. >> his presence is laid back, literally. he usually listens lying down and barefoot with his eyes shut.

you might think he was napping. >> i try to listen as closely as i possibly can, and when my eyes are closed i feel like i'm there with the music. >> it may not seem like work, but rubin hears things and senses things other producers don't. back in 1993, a few stray guitar chords on a tom petty tape caught his attention. >> petty sent me demos of five new songs and none of them struck me, honestly. none of them spoke to me, but that guitar riff in the song was something that was played between two of the songs, like a warmup. >> i drove to tom's house, and i played it for him, and i said listen to this piece. i feel like this is the best thing on the tape. write this one, and that turned into "last dance with mary jane." ♪ last dance with mary jane ♪

>> that's got to be hard, though, when you come back saying, you know, i like the thing that happened accidentally in between two of these songs. that's a tough sell sometimes, isn't it? >> i'm not trying to sell it. i'm just sharing what i'm feeling, you know? if they don't want to do it, it's fine. >> rubin has shared what he's learned in a book, the creative act. a way of being. it was published in january and it is his creative guide to harness creativity and it is something he figured out how to do his sophomore year at new york university in 1982. his parents wanted him to be a lawyer, but rubin had another idea. >> you decide the dorm is going to be the studio? >> it's going to be the deejay booth/drum machine-pre-production music area. >> did your roommate have any say in that? >> he didn't, but he loved it. >> he was going out every night. he wasn't into booze or drug, he says. the music is what drew him and hip-hop was just starting to make some noise. >> what was it about hip-hop

that attracted you? this kid from long island at nyu? >> it wasn't made by people who went to the music conservatory. it was made by kids who felt something. ♪ >> the few hip-hop records rubin could get his hands on didn't sound like what he heard in the clubs. >> in the hip-hop club the music was made by the deejay scratching records or playing break beats or using drum machines or some combination and then there would be a rapper or a group of rappers, and the records that came out were always a band playing. ♪ that's the breaks, that's the breaks ♪ >> and that wasn't what, to me, what hip-hop was. >> so he had tila rock and dj jazzy j to have a break to hear what it sounded live. >> the stripped-down version got noticed and he met with russell simmons.

>> you had a meeting in your dorm room. >> i met with run dmc at the dorm room. i met everyone at the dorm room. >> that dorm became the headquarters for def jam. >> did the university know that you were operating want just a side hustle, but at the school? >> eventually it became an issue because over time as def jam grew, the entire mailroom was filled with boxes of records to be shipped out. >> his senior year rubin was working with run dmc, the beastie boys and a teenage ll cool j and after he graduated, def jam landed a seven-figure distribution deal with columbia records. >> rubin was always looking for new talent. he heard a jingle from a college radio show and tracked down the rapper, chuck d who wrote it and convinced him to sign with def jam. that's how the groundbreaking group public enemy got started. ♪ >> what kind of an impact do you

think rick had on hip-hop? >> rick rubin is one of the pillar stones of hip-hop. he didn't pioneer the production. he didn't pioneer the rap, but he pioneered a certain energy for it to be daring. ♪ >> rubin left def jam in 1988 and set up shop in california. producing slayer and other heavy metal bands and well-established artists. johnny cash credited him with reviving his career. >> the first time i was seen was at a dinner theater in orange county. it just seemed like the world had passed him by, and he believed the world had passed him by. >> rubin looked around for lyrics that would suit the man in black. he picked a nine inch nails song called "hurt." cash made it his own. ♪ i hurt myself today ♪

♪ to see if i still feel ♪ >> wow. that's incredible. >> it sounded honest. >> it's brutally honest. >> it's brutally honest. it's brutally honest. >> "hurt" became johnny cash's most popular songs and over the course of a decade, they made seven albums together. he shows up in all these different genres and helps the real sound of those genres emerge. >> yeah. rick rubin has old been a little bruce lee zen-ish. i can't teach you but i can help you explore yourself, that type of thing. >> chuck d, like the rest of us, is still trying to figure out how rick rubin does what he does. >> rick was on the couch and i was in the booth and wondering was he asleep or what? makes a couple of suggestions boom, boom, boom and sure enough it unfolds itself. the dude -- just did some rick

rubin [ bleep ] to us. [ laughter ] >> we watched him do that with pop singer kesha. >> i think we should double that one. >> whatever you like. let's hear it. >> she was recording with a gospel choir. ♪ holy light ♪ >> rick, what do you think? >> if we want to put it into the song we can chop it up. >> this was his first time being guided by the guru. ♪ >> working with him has been genuinely life changing. he gave me like homework assignments. >> what are homework assignments? >> i was writing a song and could aren't articulate what i needed to say. he said go home and write a full essay about everything you need to say until you can't write anymore and then the song kind of started forming itself.

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it all has to do with the artist. >> but, i mean, that does sound very spiritual. >> it is. no, it is. the whole thing is spiritual. it's magic. >> and you don't want somebody who listening to music to think oh, that's a rick rubin record. >> no. i want them to say this is the best thing i've ever heard and not know why. >> for a look at how "60 minutes" reports its stories go to 60minutesovertime.com. room. phil: excuse me?e? hillary: that wasn'n't me. narrrrator: saidid hillary, , s only takenen 347 stepsps toda. hillary:y: i cyclcled here. narrator: : speaking o of cycl, mary's's period is due to o start in t three d. mary: : how do thehey know so much about us? narratoror: yourur all shariring health ha wiwithout realalizing it.. that's h how i knoww about t kevin's rarash. who's nenext? wait... whwhat's that t in yor hand? no, no, ststop!

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