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what they have to say is difficult, but it further exposes the cruelty of russia's invasion. their stories can't be verified independently, but they track with testimony the u.n. collected from more than 150 former prisoners. at the end of a vicious battle last year in april, fear of russian captivity was so great, that one of the women we met simply looked to god and said, "please let me die." they fought here, in the southern port city of mariupol. once alive with 400,000 residents, putin shelled mariupol to misery. in april, the last ukrainian troops were cornered in those steel mills above the graveyard. >> tell me about the fight at the steel plant. 35-year-old sergeant iryna stogniy is a medic.

>> translator: we saw people dying, children dying, children's heads being blown off, civilians, it's hard to bring those memories back. >> hard because at least 25,000 civilians were killed. >> she continued, we tried to help civilians. we tried to give them some assistance, at least something, water, medicine, food. there were little children with us. it's hard to watch your friend's head be blown off in front of you. it was. you can't describe this with words, difficult, very difficult when people you know, and children, die for nothing.

>> sergeant stogniy served in mariupol with captain mariana mamonova, a 31-year-old military doctor. >> she told us, there was one time when we saw a family running as we were driving to save our soldiers. and when we were coming back, the father was crying over his family, the bodies of the mom and a little child. >> also at the steel mill, 33-year-old sergeant anastasia chornenka ran communications. >> the fight there was desperate. >> translator: yes, constant aviation, artillery. this was nonstop fighting, nonstop shelling. >> during the battle chornenka often sent her family a text, just one character. >> she said, it was very quick. if you sent a "plus" sign, it

meant you were alive. >> dr. mamonova also had a message. it should have been for her husband back home. but she would not send it. >> when did you realize that you were pregnant? >> translator: i realized that i was pregnant in the middle of march. and when i saw that the test result was positive, i cried. i was hysterical. > but she didn't want her husband to know how much he stood to lose. >> translator: i knew, if i died, it would be easier for him to reconcile with the loss of a wife than the loss of a wife and baby. >> by april, the fight for was d

>> translator: they took away our men separately, splitting them up, some of the men were beaten, some of our men were, how shall i put it, shot in the head. >> the russians killed unarmed men? >> translator: yes, we were unarmed. >> about the same time, captain mamonova's unit was moving in the night to reinforce troops fighting for their lives. >> she told us, i would just say to my soldiers in my medical unit that if i was going to get captured, "just shoot me, don't look at me, just shoot me." and don't let me be captive. don't let me. >> suddenly, in our interview, she was back, hiding in the rear of a truck that ran into a russian patrol. she turned to a fellow soldier.

>> translator: please tell me that we did not get captured. and he's looking at me, not knowing what to say. i see fear in his eyes. i realized that he can't tell me that we didn't get captured, because we did get captured. >> next, came a blinding light and voices warning that they would be shot. >> translator: artillery shells were falling down. and at that moment, i was asking god to let me die. i thought, "oh, god, i don't want to be captured. i just want to die here. please let me die." >> she knew that the walls of putin's prisons muffle cries of torture. a u.n. p.o.w. investigation

collected testimony of executions, starvation, attacks by dogs, twisting joints until they break, and mock executions. >> when they first talked about taking me for execution, anastasia chornenka told us, i only had enough time to pray and say good-bye to my children. probably, the worst you feel is that you won't see your children ever again. >> all her children knew was that the plus sign text stopped lighting up the phone. >> translator: you don't know where the fighting is and whether your children are in a safe place. this is the most frightening thing for a mother. >> after putin's unprovoked invasion, the u.n. p.o.w. report also found russians abused by ukraine mostly during capture.

but ukraine has opened its p.o.w. camp to international inspection while russia hides its penal colonies. iryna stogniy says that she was moved among four russian prisons and tortured with electricity. >> translator: they would rape some men. when we were in taganrog prison, there was a cell for men and a cell for women. and we could hear our men screaming when they were being raped. they were making our men scrape off their tattoos. they were beating them badly. they did the same to women. they would beat them, pour boiling water on them. the only thing they didn't do, they didn't rape women. but the beating was brutal, abuse was very bad. >> this is a russian propaganda film, in april, that shows

mariana mamonova in captivity. she's about four months pregnant and was told, privately, what would become of her baby. >> translator: they said they would take my child away from me and they would move the baby repeatedly from one orphanage to another so i could never find my child. >> i wonder, as you felt your daughter moving, what did you tell her? > translator: i was saying to my child that we were strong, and we could do it. "your mommy is strong. your mommy is military. your mommy is a doctor. your mommy will save you." >> she asked only one thing from her child in return. >> translator: you will be born in ukraine. can you hear me in there? you must be born in a free ukraine. >> unknown to the prisoners, a

free ukraine was working to get them home. andriy yermak is chief of staff to president volodymyr zelenskyy. >> from the very first day, yermak told us, president zelenskyy set up the job to return prisoners of war. >> leading negotiations for prisoner exchanges is yermak's job. so far, his team has negotiated 46 p.o.w. swaps, trades of about equal numbers. 2,500 ukrainians have been freed. an estimated 4,000 or so remain. >> what is your commitment to the p.o.w.s who are still being held by russia? >> translator: they should hold on and remember that your country will never forget you. we will do everything to get you released. have strength and faith in our ability to return everyone home.

there was fresh faith in his work in october with a deal to free 108 ukrainians at once, all of them women. iryna stogniy was among them, hoded, tied, and told nothing. >> translator: we had been transported in vehicles and by plane so many times before, and we thought they were just taking us to another cell. >> anastasia chornenka was also in the dark. she had duct tape over her eyes, so her first inkling was something she could feel. >> translator: they put us on quite comfortable buses which were never used, and we thought, something's not right, something's up because the bus felt comfortable and soft. >> later, the tape was cut from her eyes.

>> translator: and you realize that there is no guard behind you, and you stand there looking at the big sign that reads "ukraine." >> i understood that you got a new tattoo after you were released? may i see it? >> translator: it reads, "they were trying to kill me, they captured me, but i didn't give in because i was born ukrainian." >> another ukrainian birth was delayed just enough. this is dr. mariana mamonova walking to freedom. she told us near the end of her captivity, one kind russian officer sent her to a hospital. and weeks later she was in a prisoner exchange. >> how long was it from that moment of liberation until your daughter was born? >> four days. i was liberated on the 21st of

september, and my child was born on the 25th. >> a healthy girl named anna. >> so, she did exactly what you asked her to do, not be born until you were out of there. >> translator: yes. i was stroking my bump and i said, "okay, we're home now, and you can be born. everything is good, we are home." >> no one knows freedom like those who have lost it. the women we spoke to were held six months. anastasia chornenka retired from the military. sergeant iryna stogniy is on duty near the front. and captain mariana mamonova has maternity leave before she returns to the fight for ukrainian freedom - and now - ukrainian freedom - and now - freedom's fure.

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ever since mao tse tung won china's civil war in 1949 and the losing anticommunist side fled to a small island nearby, beijing has insisted that that island, taiwan, is an integral part of the mainland. the u.s. has walked a tightrope, respecting that "one china" policy, but maintaining a special relationship with taiwan, today a progressive, thriving democracy. last year, president biden vowed on this broadcast that the u.s. will protect taiwan. but as we first reported in october, china has steadily increased its pressure on the island, including launching its largest military drill ever last

summer, after then-house speaker nancy pelosi visited taiwan. >> in a display of frightening military might, china subjected taiwan to three days of continuous sorties, with over a hundred warplanes, a barrage of ballistic missiles, and warships that encircled the island, delivering a loud and clear message that china could choke taiwan any time it wanted to. >> you think they're going to invade? >> if this will invade, it's a matter of when they will invade. >> admiral lee hsi-min, who used to head taiwan's armed forces, has been ringing alarm bells for years, because as china's military has been growing, taiwan's is shrinking. the number of soldiers in uniform has been cut in half

over the years, the length of mandatory service had been reduced to just four months, and admiral lee complains that the government has been buying the wrong weapons for years, tanks and jets from the united states instead of smaller portable missiles. >> what i gather you think the military needs are these stingers and javelins and drones, exactly what they need in ukraine. >> yeah, it's the truth. >> and you're not getting them now because they're giving them to ukraine? >> no. we already ordered it. in my view, not enough. but, however, we began to order them. but we have not yet received any. because other countries also have kind of similar requirements. we are not on the top list. but we need now. we need now. >> did the taiwanese military waste all those years buying those big weapons?

>> i believe so, you know, but we don't have time to waste anymore. >> taiwan es military aid, mostly buying its weapons. but the manufacturers can't keep up with demand. the taiwanese have already purchased about $14 billion worth of weapons that they are just starting to receive. we were surprised that few here seem to share the admiral's sense of urgency. >> here in taiwan, you'd never know that the dragon to the north recently sent warships to surround the island. people told us over and over "no big deal," china's been doing versions of that for 70 years. while much of the world thought an invasion was imminent, polls show that a majority of taiwanese think that's unlikely any time soon, if ever. >> and that's reflected in what we saw in the capital, taipei, where life goes on uninterrupted.

morning traffic flows normally. shoppers do what they always do...during the day, and at nght. we saw old people painting outdoors, and teenagers practicing hip-hop routines, despite the threat from the north. >> this kind of threat is our daily life. >> wang ting-yu, a parliamentarian from southern taiwan, says a kind of war has already started. >> china, they try to annex taiwan for past 50 years. they try all different kind of way. maybe i can give you very concrete figures. there are 20 million cyberattacks per day. >> per day? >> yes, every day. >> wang, who sits on parliament's foreign affairs and national defense committee, took us to a high-security lab where

engineers track those attacks. >> this is tain >>h, okay. >> a small island. but we are proud of it. >> the map shows the attacks from china in real time as they hit taiwan. >> it's so close to china. >> yeah, unfortunately. >> so is china hoping to defeat taiwan without firing a single shot? >> they dream like that. >> "they dream." >> they desperately dream like that. >> he says on top of cyber warfare, they're trying to sabotage taiwan's thriving economy and intimidate politically-powerful groups, like the farmers and fishermen in wang's home district of tainan who've been hit especially hard with a series of export bans. >> when speaker pelosi was here, china, we're told, banned 1,000 taiwanese products. a lot from your region down here. >> it do hurt, dmaindidual busi. >> like the fish industry. >> is there any grouper here?

>> 90% of grouper exports went to china in 2021. but last year, beijing suddenly banned taiwan's grouper, devastating the fishermen. boxes and boxes of the fish piled up. china also went after pineapples, crushing farmers like this young couple. >> translator: it devastated us. our pineapples got stuck in taiwan and we lost $60,000 u.s. dollars. >> and i understand the ban was sudden, like that, no warning. >> no warning. >> the government fought back with a "freedom pineapple" campaign to entice everyone to buy, and eat a lot of pineapples. >> oh, my gosh, it's so sweet. >> our housewives, they have a voice, "let's eat pineapple on our dining tables." >> everybody's eating pineapple ap.>> wd a irly prosp

country, a leading exporter of bicycles and other sports gear. this tiny island is a tech giant, in agriculture innovation. and, above all, in semiconductors. taiwan is practically the world's only source of the thinnest microchips, manufactured almost exclusively by one company, tsmc. china relies on these as does the rest of the world for things like iphones, advanced computers, and car components. 91-year-old morris chang, tsmc's founder, explains why a lot of people here think the chips protect them from xi jinping's attacking. >> i've heard this expression, silicon shield or chip shield, talking about your company. >> well, it means that perhaps because our company provides a

lot of chips to the world, maybe somebody will refrain from attacking it. if that person's priority is for economic well-being, i think they will refrain from attacking. >> what if the priority is to come here and nationalize your company within, you know, one china? >> if there's a war, i mean, it would be destroyed. everything will be destroyed. >> china says some of the chinese communists say, let's invade taiwan and occupy tsmc, make it become party-owned company. then we will be a suow europe, we don't supply them chips, they will follow chinese orders! but that's naive. >> why is that naive? >> not only chip company, even a sausage company, you need a recipe! you need human capital!

you need to know how to manufacture, manufacturing that kind of product. >> if there is reunification, what would happen to you? >> die. >> die? >> yeah. if they annex taiwan, people like me, a lot, will be perished. >> beijing has sanctioned wang ting-yu personally for being outspokenly pro-taiwan's independence. he passionately defends the country's progressive democracy. we saw campaign billboards everywhere, validating the island's commitment to clean elections and freedom of speech. beijing has promised that if there were reunification, taiwan could maintain many of its freedoms. and, yet -- in 2019, china broke a similar promise to hong kong, protests led to beatings, arrests, and

stripping of democratic rights. it hit home in taiwan and led to president tsai ing-wen, leader of the aggressively anti-reunification party, winning re-election in a landslide. >> we are firmly resolved to defend our freedom, democracy and way of life. >> given what happened in hong kong and the recent military escalation, we were curious why the people are so stoic. >> asked if they're in denial, or apathetic, a taiwanese writer said, it's kind of like global warming, you know it's there and it's going to get worse, but mostly people go about their lives. what can one individual really do? >> but then the taiwanese watched the ukrainians stand up to the russians. it so inspired jack yao, a young taipei coffee vendor, that he went there to help the fight. >> did you go because you're

taiwanese? >> yeah, because -- >> what's the connection? >> just, like, in the ukraine situation and our situation, it's very alike. they also have big neighbors. and they was the communists. and we have to face the china communists. and then they want to attack us. they always want to attack us. >> was it in your mind that if you go to fight for ukraine, other people will come here and fight for taiwan? >> yes! yeah. >> what the ukrainians have done is raising a question here in taiwan: if that small democracy can stand up to its menacing neighbor, why can't we? you see civil defense classes sprouting up, like this one on how to identify chinese fake news during an attack. and this night class in the park on how to operate two-way radios in morse code in case the internet is knocked out.

>> we want our students to be able to apply a tourniquet within 30 seconds. >> enoch wu, a former special forces soldier, is running training workshops in how to treat bullet and shrapnel wounds and conduct search and rescue. and admiral lee wants to take it a step further, calling on the government to arm taiwan's citizens and create a volunteer force like ukraine's. >> if ukraine can do that, why not taiwan? you know, i'm trying to convince more people that it's important because this is a symbol of the deterrence. determination! >> so you're proposing what i guess i would call the ukraine model. >> similar. ukraine people really inspire our people. but do our people change fast enough? i don't think so. >> do you think that taiwanese have that same kind of determination?

>> i strongly believe this. because we cherish how we live. we love peace, we don't like war, but we won't cede our democracy, our life for peace. that's surrender. >> is there a chance you'll surrender? >> no, not a chance. never. >> since our broadcast last fall, the length of mandatory military service in taiwan was extended from four months to a year. cbs sports hq is presented by progressive insurance. sports news from today. on cbs today, leona maguire won the meijer lpga classic earning her second career tour victory. and in baseball the orioles and braves both won. and shohei ohtani hit his 24th homerun of the season.

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rock bands are sensitive instruments, creative tensions, clashing egos, the grind of touring. none of it screams stability. and drugs, death and demons and you have a breakup, or a breakdown, waiting to happen. how then to explain the durability of the red hot chili peppers? they started in the '80s, swiveling among genres, funk, punk, rock, rap, an underground l.a. band, until they broke through, as we first showed you last february, 40 years on, they persist, selling out stadiums worldwide, rocking and relevant for far longer than anyone would possibly have predicted, not least themselves. ♪ >> the red hot chili peppers warned us, the stage is no place for boundaries. all intensity and improvisation

and happy chaos, they are as ch the ear. ♪ we saw them in nashville, and at the austin city limits festival, the last stop of their most successful year of touring ever, north of $200 million gross, as remarkable a fact as this, a founding member was celebrating a milestone, a sixtieth one. >> happy birthday! >> thank you so much! >> you're going to go out there, there are going to be 80,000 people that are going to know every word. >> yeah. >> can you wrap your brain around that after all these years? >> i kind feel like the phenomenon of our band and this every istime we make a new reco and we go out and do a tour, and i look out into the audience, as far as i can see are, like, acne-faced teenagers losing their [ bleep ] minds.♪

>> that's michael balzary, known universally, of course, as flea. he plays bass in the quartet. that includes drummer chad smith, age 61, guitarist john frusciante, 53, and lead singer anthony kiedis, 60, born within a few weeks of flea. >> everything good? all right... >> in l.a., we met them at the roxy on the sunset strip, one of their early haunts, where they told us, just as they connect with audiences, they connect with each other. >> like, like the way jazz players play and the way that basketball players play, just like, telepathically, and understanding when to go, and when to move, and when to do what. >> we're all supporting each other at the same time. it's -- it's -- everybody has different ways of doing that, you know? i see the bass as the lead instrument the whole time. flea doesn't see it that way. >> you see him as the lead instrument? >> oh, yeah. yeah, i see each song as being, like, a bass solo where i'm -- i'm there to -- i'm there to

support it. ♪ >> to understand their enduring appeal, start by listening to their four-decade-long list of bangers, that cut a ridiculously wide musical swath. but that's only a partial explanation. it's also the torrential talent. frusciante is widely considered to rank among rock's greatest guitar heroes. chad smith is regarded as one of today's great drummers. flea's name is synonymous with virtuosity on the bass, within their psychedelic circus, and this might be a band's secret superpower, there's no clear ringleader. >> what do you call yourself? >> what do -- i don't call myself anything, really. i call myself a band member. on a good day, a musician, songwriter. >> do you buy front man?

>> the red hot chili peppers t . chad smith.ve >> i'm really struck by the physicality of what you're doing. >> we value so much the ability to go rock out on stage for two hours. nobody wants to lose that. >> so what happens to you on stage? describe it from your perspective. >> it's a sacred time for me. so, when i get on stage, like, no matter what, i'm going to give everything i can. i want to articulate all those feelings physically. i want to honor the great entertainers that came before. i want to honor frank sinatra and iggy pop and jimi hendrix and the xavier cugat orchestra, you know what i mean, like -- >> the real lineage of -- >> and -- and john coltrane. >> you see yourself on this continuum? >> i do. and i think having that vision

is a big part of why the chili peppers have managed to maintain for so many years and for us to -- at least to ourselves, we still feel relevant and vibrant. >> still based in greater los angeles, it's the city they live in, the city of angels, they're not just from the area, but of it. kiedis is a local fixture on his motorcycle, flea at laker games and in his retro ride. >> this is your town? >> yeah, look, i'm an l.a. boy. all my life. i know this town inside out. every little crack and every sidewalk. >> their story begins on the pavement of hollywood, not palm-lined movie star hollywood, but the seedy one from the '70s. flea spent his early years in new york before heading west with his mom. anthony kiedis was a transplant from michigan, living with his father. neither, critically, had brothers. long before they were bandmates, kiedis and flea were best mates at fairfax high. >> what was the friendship born of? >> we both came from broken

homes, slightly, atypical homes, nonconventional homes. and really we wanted to get in trouble. like, how much trouble can we get in without going to jail? >> we were just little street urchin, pretty thievin', runnin' around in the street, tryin' so hard, yearning so much to figure it out like how can we matter? my relationship with anthony is a profound thing for me. i remember that my mom telling me. she goes, michael, you came home and you said, mom, i met somebody that i've never been able to talk to like that before. you know? someone i could really talk to and that i felt heard by. >> flea and kiedis found kinship with two other outcast classmates, hillel slovak, a guitar player, and jack irons, a drummer. while his friends were working on their musicianship, kiedis first tried to make it as an actor, and, fun fact, shows up

in an after-school special, but eventually kiedis joined his friends in a band, in the beginning, he wasn't even singing, he was rapping. >> a lot of it had to do with hip-hop and grandmaster flash. like, i never saw myself as a wildly melodic person. but at that moment i was, like, oh, you can just tell a story and be in a band. you don't have to necessarily be al green and be in a band. so that was my ticket to think, i could do this. >> they called themselves the red hot chili peppers, a nod to early 20th century jazz bands. within a year, they had a record contract. from the beginning, they went full throttle, all gas, no brake. >> we had a lot of musical influences from hardcore, bee-bop jazz, to crazy progressive rock to hip-hop. but we also had the three stooges, we also had the marx brothers, we also had richard pryor, and redd foxx.

you know, comedy, and being ridiculous. >> meld those together. >> meld 'em. >> what does that leave you with? >> a make-it-or-break-it bunch of boys that were willing to risk everything to have fun in the moment. >> at the same time, they've always taken the work seriously. ♪ >> how do you guys write and construct songs? how's this work? >> john and flea are the most kind of prepared and come in with, "i've got these ideas." >> flea and i used to do face-offs quite a bit. >> what's a face-off? >> we need a section. we've got a verse, say, and we need a chorus. in the old days we would start it out by going like that to each other and give each other a dirty look. and then we'd go into other rooms. then we come in and each guy plays his section for the other guys. >> we could either go home and, like, think of it at home, or we can do it right then. >> we're going to do a office-off right now, the part's going to get done. >> can i tell you what i love about the face-off? it's an unexpected moment of humility.

they put their ideas on the line. and whatever is the best for the song, no one cares. >> how do you hit that balance between the commitment to the craft and also the ridiculousness you're proud of? >> we just are all those things. we're just being ourselves. like, we're disciplined. we work hard. we're silly. we're funny. >> we're entertainers. we're entertainers. >> like all entertainers, they have to work at maintaining their peaks. they practice. they generate. they stay in shape. chad smith replaced jack irons in 1988. >> he joked with us that the band used to have groupies. now they have tech support and physical trainers. >> how is your body holdin up at this point? >> it's holdin pretty good for an old gentleman. i want to make sure that my guys know that he's back there, the engine is running like a well-tuned machine. and it gives them a lot of confidence, and they can just paint, like the drum kit's kin and they get to paint

>> john frusciante plays perpetually and prefers to warm up for four hours the day of concerts. >> flea, a converted, accomplished, jazz-trained trumpet player, is constantly innovating on the bass. >> as he showed us at his malibu home studio. >> nothing fancy. so there's plucking like this which is, like, walking between two different fingers. >> and then thumping and popping is i hit my thumb and pop it. ♪ >> i did this so much and so aggressively that this callus on my thumb would split open, and i'd just have this gash, open wound in my thumb. and i figured out how to fix it by pouring super glue in there. ♪

>> the band has also confronted the kind of physical challenges that cannot be so easily hacked, not least, sobriety. hillel slovak, the original guitarist died of a heroin overdose in 1988. >> his eventual replacement, frusciante, has been open about his deep descent into hard drugs, particularly heroin. he has left the band twice, before returning. ♪ >> as for anthony kiedis, he told us he works at staving off his various addictions. the cliche: sex, drugs and rock and roll? he hit that trifecta hard, which he discussed with bracing openness in his 2004 memoir. >> just as music changes, so do cultural norms. when you look back at some of the antics and behavior from the '70s and '80s in particular, and women in particular, that wouldn't fly today. how do you process that? >> wow. i feel like i was who i was when

i was that person. i wouldn't blame it on an era or a cultural landscape, or a difference in the way society views people. it's like, if i did something stupid then, it would be stupid today, and vice versa. hopefully i've made those amends along the way. >> therein may lie another secret to the band's longevity. just as bad is bad, good is good, era be damned, the red hot chili peppers have evolved without concessions. not just playing their instruments but still attacking them. they've survived, sometimes in spite of themselves, no coda in earshot, no end in sight. ♪ >> you're not just trottin' out the hits from 20, 30 years ago, this is a vital, vibrant creating enterprise. >> yeah. it takes diligence. it takes sacrifice. we work. we write.

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