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machine taught itself how to speak to humans like a peer. which is to say, with creativity, truth, errors and lies. the technology, known as a chatbot, is only one of the recent breakthroughs in artificial intelligence - machines that can teach themselves superhuman skills. in april, we explored what's coming next at google, a leader in this new world. ceo sundar pichai told us ai will be as good or as evil as human nature allows. the revolution, he says, is coming faster than you know. do you think society is prepared for what's coming? >> you know, there are two ways i think about it. on one hand i feel, no, because, you know, the pace at which we can think and adapt as societal institutions, compared to the pace at which the technology's evolving, there seems to be a mismatch.

on the other hand, compared to any other technology, i've seen more people worried about it earlier in its life cycle. so i feel optimistic the number of people, you know, who have started worrying about the implications, and hence the conversations are starting in a serious way as well. >> our conversations with 50-year-old sundar pichai started at google's new campus in mountain view, california. it runs on 40% solar power and collects more water than it uses high-tech that pichai couldn't have imagined growing up in india with no telephone at home. >> we were on a waiting list to get a rotary phone, and for about five years. and it finally came home. i can still recall it vividly. it changed our lives. to me, it was the first moment i understood the power of what getting access to technology

meant and, so, probably led me to be doing what i'm doing today. >> what he's doing, since 2019, is leading both google and its parent company, alphabet, valued at $1.5 trillion. worldwide, google runs 90% of internet searches and 70% of smartphones. but its dominance was attacked this past february when microsoft linked its search engine to a chatbot. in a race for ai dominance, in march, google released its chatbot named bard. >> it's really here to help you brainstorm ideas, to generate content, like a speech, or a blog post, or an email. >> we were introduced to bard by google vice president sissie hsiao and senior vice

president james manyika. the first thing we learned was that bard does not look for answers on the internet like google search does. >> so i wanted to get inspiration from some of the best speeches in the world. >> bard's replies come from a self-contained program that was mostly self-taught. our experience was unsettling. confounding. absolutely confounding. bard appeared to possess the sum of human knowledge, with micro chips more than 100,000 times faster than the human brain. summarize -- we asked bard to summarize the new testament. it did, in five seconds and 17 words. in latin. we asked for it in latin - that took another four seconds. then, we played with a famous six-word short story, often attributed to hemingway. >> for sale, baby shoes, never worn. >> wow. >> the only prompt we gave was finish this story. in five seconds. holy cow.

the shoes were a gift from my wife, but we never had a baby. from the six-word prompt, bard created a deeply human tale with characters it invented including a man whose wife could not conceive, and a stranger, grieving after a miscarriage, and longing for closure. >> i am rarely speechless. i don't know what to make of this. give me that story. we asked for the story in verse. in five seconds, there was a poem written by a machine with breathtaking insight into the mystery of faith. bard wrote, "she knew her baby's soul would always be alive." the humanity, at superhuman speed, was a shock. how is this possible?

james manika told us that over several months, bard read most everything on the internet and created a model of what language looks like. rather than search, its answers come from this language model. >> so, for example, if i said to you, scott, "peanut butter and?" >> jelly. >> right. so, it tries and learns to predict, okay, so peanut butter usually is followed by jelly. it tries to predict the most probable next words, based on everything it's learned. so, it's not going out to find stuff. it's just predicting the next word. >> but it doesn't feel like that. we asked bard why it helps people, and it replied, quote, "because it makes me happy." bard, to my eye, appears to be thinking. appears to be making judgments. that's not what's happening? these machines are not sentient.

they are not aware of themselves. >> they're not sentien. they're not aware of themselves. they can exhibit behaviors that look like that. because, keep in mind, they've learned from us. we're sentient beings. we have beings that have feelings, emotions, ideas, thoughts, perspectives. we've reflected all that in books, in novels, in fiction. so, when they learn from that, they build patterns from that. so, it's no surprise to me that the exhibited behavior sometimes looks like maybe there's somebody behind it. there's nobody there. these are not sentient beings. >> zimbabwe born, oxford educated, james manyika holds a new position at google, his job is to think about how ai and humanity will best co-exist. >> ai has the potential to change many ways in which we've thought about society, about

what we're able to do, the problems we can solve. >> but ai itself will pose its own problems. could hemingway write a better short story? maybe. but bard can write a million before hemingway could finish one. imagine that level of automation across the economy. a lot of people can be replaced by this technology? >> yes, there are some job occupations that'll start to decline over time. there are also new job categories that'll grow over time. but the biggest change will be the jobs that'll be changed. something like more than two-thirds will have their definitions change. not go away, but change. because they're now being assisted by ai and by automation. so this is a profound change which has implications for skills. how do we assist people to build new skills, learn to work alongside machines? and how do these complement what people do today? >> this is going to impact every product across every company,

and so that's why i think it's a very, very profound technology. and, so, we are just in early days. >> every product in every company. >> that's right. ai will impact everything. so, for example, you could be a radiologist. if you think about five to ten years from now, you're going to have an ai collaborator with you. it may triage. you come in the morning. you -- let's say you have 100 things to go through. it may say, "these are the most serious cases you need to look at first." or when you're looking at something, it may pop up and say, you may have missed something important. why wouldn't we? why wouldn't we take advantage of a super-powered assistant to help you across everything you do? you may be a student trying to learn math or history. and, you know, you will have something helping you. >> we asked pichai what jobs would be disrupted. he said knowledge workers.

people like writers, accountants, architects and, ironically, software engineers. ai writes computer code, too. today sundar pichai walks a narrow line. a few employees have quit, some believing that google's ai rollout is too slow, others -- too fast. there are some serious flaws. james manyika asked bard about inflation. it wrote an instant essay in economics and recommended five books. but days later, we checked. none of the books is real. bard fabricated the titles. this very human trait, error with confidence, is called, in the industry, hallucination. are you getting a lot of hallucinations? >> yes, you know, which is expected. no one in the field has yet solved the hallucination

problems. all models do have this as an issue. >> is it a solvable problem? >> it's a matter of intense debate. i think we'll make progress. >> to help cure hallucinations, bard features a google-it button that leads to old-fashioned search. google has also built safety filters into bard to screen for things like hate speech and bias. how great a risk is the spread of disinformation? >> ai will challenge that in a deeper way. the scale of this problem is going to be much bigger. >> bigger problems, he says, with fake news and fake images. >> it will be possible with ai to create, you know, a video easily, where it could be scott saying something, or me saying something, and we never said that, and it could look accurate. but, you know, on a societal scale, you know, it can cause a lot of harm. >> is bard safe for society? >> the way we have launched it

today, as an experiment in a limited way, i think so. but we all have to be responsible in each step along the way. >> this past spring, googled released an advanced version of bard that can write software and connect to the internet. google says it's developing even more sophisticated ai models. you are letting this out slowly so that society can get used to it? >> that's one part of it. one part is also so that we get the user feedback and we can develop more robust safety layers before we build -- before we deploy more capable models. >> of the ai issues we talked about, the most mysterious is called emergent properties. some ai systems are teaching themselves skills they weren't expected to have. how this happens is not well understood.

for example, one google ai program adapted, on its own, after it was prompted in the language of bangladesh, which it was not trained to translate. >> we discovered that with very few amounts of prompting in bengali, it can now translate all of bengali. so now, all of a sudden, we now have a research effort where we're now trying to get to a thousand languages. >> there is an aspect of this which we call -- all of us in the field call it as a black box. you know, you don't fully understand. and you can't quite tell why it said this or why it got it wrong. we have some ideas. and our ability to understand this gets better over time. but that's where the state of the art is. >> you don't fully understand how it works. and, yet, you've turned it loose on society? >> yeah. let me put it this way. i don't think we fully understand how a human mind works either. >> was it from that black box, we wondered, that bard drew its

short story that seemed so disarmingly human? it talked about the pain that humans feel. it talked about redemption. how did it do all of those things if it's just trying to figure out what the next right word is? >> i have had these experiences talking with bard as well. there are two views of this. you know, there are a set of people who view this as, look, these are just algorithms. they're just repeating what it's seen online. then there is the view where these algorithms are showing emergent properties, to be creative, to reason, to plan, and so on, right? and personally, i think we need to be -- we need to approach this with humility. part of the reason i think it's good that some of these

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the revolution in artificial intelligence is the center of a debate ranging from those who hope it will save humanity to those who predict doom. google lies somewhere in the optimistic middle, introducing ai in steps so that civilization can get used to it. we saw what's coming next in machine learning at google's ai lab in london. a company called deepmind, where

the future looks something like this. look at that! oh, my goodness. >> they've got a pretty good kick on them. >> a good game. >> a soccer match at deepmind looks like fun and games, but here's the thing. humans did not program these robots to play. they learned the game by themselves. >> it's coming up with these interesting different strategies, different ways to walk, different ways to block. >> and they're doing it. they're scoring over and over again. >> this robot here -- >> raia hadsell, vice president of research and robotics, showed us how engineers used motion capture technology to teach the ai program how to move like a human. but on the soccer pitch, the robots were told only that the object was to score. the self-learning program spent about two weeks testing

different moves. it discarded those that didn't work, built on those that did, and created all-stars. there's another goal! and with practice, they get better. hadsell told us that, independent from the robots, the ai program plays thousands of games from which it learns and invents its own tactics. >> here we think that red player's going to grab it. but instead it just stops it, hands it back, passes it back, and then goes for the goal. >> and the ai figured out how to do that on its own? >> that's right. that's right. and it takes a while. at first all the players just run after the ball together like a gaggle of, you know, 6-year-olds the first time they're playing ball. over time what we start to see is now -- ah, what's the strategy? you go after the ball.

i'm coming around this way. or should we pass, or i should block while you get the goal?" so, we see all of that coordination emerging in the play. >> this is a lot of fun. but what are the practical implications of what we're seeing here? >> this is the type of research that can eventually lead to robots that can come out of the factories and work in other types of human environments. you know, think about mining, think about dangerous construction work or exploration or disaster recovery. >> raia hadsell is among 1,000 humans at deepmind. the company was co-founded just 12 years ago by ceo demis hassabis. >> so if i think back to 2010 when we started, nobody was doing ai. there was nothing going on in industry. people used to eye roll when we talked to them, investors, about doing ai. so we couldn't, we could barely get two cents together to start off with, which is crazy if you think about now the billions being invested into ai startups. >> cambridge, harvard, m.i.t., hassabis has degrees in computer

science and neuroscience. his phd is in human imagination. and, imagine this, when he was 12, in h his age group, he was e number two chess champion in the world. it was through games that he came to ai. >> i've been working on ai for decades now, and i've always believed that it's going to be the most important invention that humanity will ever make. >> will the pace of change outstrip our ability to adapt? >> i don't think so. i think that we, you know, we're sort of an infinitely adaptable species. you know, you look at today us using all of our smartphones and other devices, and we effortlessly sort of adapt to these new technologies. and this is going to be another one of those changes like that. >> among the biggest changes at deepmind was the discovery that self-learning machines can be

creative. hassabis showed us a game playing program that learns. it's called alpha zero, and it dreamed up a winning chess strategy no human had ever seen. but this is just a machine. how does it achieve creativity? >> it plays against itself tens of millions of times. so, it can explore parts of chess that maybe human chess players and programmers who program chess computers haven't thought about before. >> it never gets tired. it never gets hungry. it just plays chess all the time. >> yes. it's kind of an amazing thing to see, because actually you set off alpha zero in the morning and it starts off playing randomly. by lunchtime, you know, it's able to beat me and beat most chess players. and then by the evening, it's stronger than the world champion.. >> demisis hassabis s sold deep to google e in 2014. one reason was to get his hands on this. gogoogle has t the enormouous computining power ththat ai nee. ththis computiting center r is pryor, o oklahoma.

but google has 23 of these, putting it near the top in computing power in the world. this is one of two advances that make ai ascendant now. first, the sum of all human knowledge is online and, second, brute force computing that very loosely approximates the neural networks and talents of the brain. >> things like memory, imagination, planning, reinforcement learning, these are all things that are known ababout how ththe brain dodoes d we w wanted to r replicate some thatat in our ai systems.. >> you preredict one o of those- >> thohose are somome of the elements that led to deepmind's greatest achievement so far, solving an impossible problem in

biology. proteins are building blocks of life. but only a tiny fraction were understood because 3d mapping of just one could take years. deepmind created an ai program for the protein problem and set it loose. >> well, it took us about four or five years to figure out how to build the system. it's probably the most complex project that we've ever undertaken. but once we did that, it can solve a protein structure in a matter of seconds. and, actually, over the last year, we did all the 200 million proteins that are known to science. >> how long would it have taken using traditional methods? >> well, the rule of thumb i was always told by my biologist friends is that it takes a whole phd, five years, to do one protein structure experimentally. so, if you think 200 million times five, that's a billion years of phd time it would have taken. >> deepmind made its protein database public. a gift to humanity, hassabis called it. how has it been used? >> it's been used in an enormously broad number of ways actually from malaria vaccines to developing new enzymes that can eat plastic waste to new antibiotics.

>> most ai systems today do one or maybe two things well. the soccer robots, for example, can't write up a grocery list or book your travel or drive your car. the ultimate goal is what's called artificial general intelligence, a learning machine that can score on a wide range of talents. would such a machine be conscious of itself? >> so that's another great question. we -- you know, philosophers haven't really settled on a definition of consciousness yet, but if we mean by sort of self-awareness and these kinds of things, you know, i think there's a possibility ai one day could be. i definitely don't think they are today. but i think, again, this is one of the fascinating scientific things we're going to find out on this journey towards ai. >> even unconscious, current ai is superhuman in narrow ways. back in california, we saw google engineers teaching skills

that robots will practice continuously on their own. >> push the blue cube to the blue triangle. >> they comprehend instructions. >> push the yellow hexagon to the yellow heart. >> and learn to recognize objects. >> what would you like? >> how about an apple? >> how about an apple. >> on my way, i will bring an apple to you. >> vincent vanhoucke, senior director of robotics, showed us how robot 106 was trained on millions of images. >> i am going to pick up the apple. >> and can recognize all the items on a crowded countertop. >> if we can give the robot a diversity of experiences, a lot more different objects in different settings, the robot gets better at every one of them. >> now that humans have pulled the forbidden fruit of artificial knowledge -- >> thank you. -- we start the genesis of a new humanity. ai can utilize all the

information in the world, what no human could ever hold in their head. and i wonder if humanity is diminished by this enormous capability that we're developing. >> i think the possibilities of ai do not diminish humanity in any way. and, in fact, in some ways, i think they actually raise us to even deeper, more profound questions. >> google's james manyika sees this moment as an inflexion point. >> i think we're constantly adding these superpowers or capabilities to what humans can do in a way that expands possibilities, as opposed to narrow them, i think. so i don't think of it as

diminishing humans, but it does raise some really profound questions for us. who are we? what do we value? what are we good at? how do we relate with each other? those become very, very important questions that are constantly going to be, in one case, sense-exciting, but perhaps unsettling too. >> it is an unsettling moment. critics argue the rush to ai comes too fast, while competitive pressure among giants like google and startups you've never heard of is propelling humanity into the future, ready or not. >> but i think if we take a ten-year outlook, it is so clear to me, we will have some form of very capable intelligence that can do amazing things. and we need to adapt as a society for it. >> google ceo sundar pichai told us society must quickly adapt with regulations for ai in the economy, laws to punish abuse, and treaties among nations to make ai safe for the world. >> you know, these are deep

questions. and, you know, we call this alignment. you know, one way we think about how do you develop ai systems that are aligned to human values and including morality? this is why i think the development of this needs to include not just engineers but social scientists, ethicists, philosophers, and so on. and i think we have to be very thoughtful. and i think these are all things society needs to figure out as we move along. it's not for a company to decide. >> we'll end with a note that had never appeared on "60 minutes," but one in the ai revolution you may be hearing often. the preceding was created with 100% human content. cbs sports hq is presented by progressive insurance.

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it's no secret big hollywood studios like a sure bet. and there's no shortage of predictable movies to prove it. which is probably why nicholas cage left los angeles for las vegas a long time ago. at 59, the academy award winner owns one of the most eclectic list of film credits in the business. he's been at it for more than 40 years. pivoting from leading man to action hero to a slew of lesser features and back again. as we first told you in april, behind that kaleidoscope of characters is a unique

imagination and an enpsych lowpedic knowledge of film that seems to motivate everything nicholas cage does, his work, his life and even this. >> i always loved that character. >> cage's brand-new gold lamborghini a tribute to a beloved 1968 film directed by federico fellini, featuring the gilded ferrari. >> it was a crazy beautiful fellini movie and it inspired me. so when i saw this, i said, that's the car, it's not a ferrari, which would be great. but they don't really have gold ferraris. >> have you driven this out here beyond the gates? >> oh, yeah. >> yeah? >> it's fun. >> it's fun. >> snap, crackle, pop, right?

>> by any measure, nicolas cage is not slowing down. he's revamped the role of dracula in a movie called "renfield" and has another five movies coming up. we met nicolas cage at the home he shares with his wife and young daughter in las vegas. it is exactly what you might imagine nicolas cage's home in las vegas would be, part goth cathedral, part avant-garde gallery. there's an african crow in the living room. a cat that could scare off a burglar and this. >> this is my black dragon, it's a monitor lizard. he'll get to be like six feet long. it's like having a real dinosaur in your house. it's kind of amazing. and he's alive. >> that kind of imagination is in his dna. nicolas kim coppola was born on the fringe of cinema royalty. his uncle is director francis ford coppola. his told his mother joy, a choreographer, suffered from severe mental illness and was institutionalized for much of his childhood. he and his two brothers were raised by his father, august, a literature professor. who introduced him to the master

works of italian and german filmmakers. igniting his love of cinema. as a teenager, he worked at a movie theater and says he was mesmerized by the big screen. was it about being a movie star or was it about escaping into something else? >> no. it was about wanting to be james dean in "rebel without a cause" and wearing that red jacket. wanting to be john in "saturday night fever." i came out of the cinema electrified. yeah, i wanted to go there. >> and after seeing james dean in "east of eden," he did. >> it was more meaningful to me than anything else i'd experienced. music, you know, beethoven, beatles, painting. what i saw in that moment made me realize the power, the excitement, of what you can convey through film performance, film performance.

>> he's been in pursuit of that feeling for most of his life. inhabiting characters of every stripe, a baby-snatching ex-con. >> i'll be taking these huggies and whatever cash you got. >> a brooklyn baker. an alcoholic screen writer. >> do you have a cell phone i can borrow? >> a treasure hunter and even himself. >> nic cage. >> cage's first feature role came in 1982's "fast times at ridgemont high" the 17-year-old blends into the background but his coppola name did not. his uncle directed the godfather and apocalypse now, sick of being hazed about it on set, he changed his name inspired by a marvel superhero with unbreakable skin. >> when people think of nicolas cage, i wanted to have a punk rock energy at that time. i wanted it to be unpredictable. you don't know what you're going to get. i wanted to be exciting and a litle scary. >> it has been. after more than 100 movies, nicolas cage is almost his own genre.

he told us when he read the script for "peggy sue got married" he worried it was going to be too much like the play "our town" which he hated. >> i grew up watching gumby and listening to pokey, and i thought, well that would be a good voice for a character. especially in this movie. >> thank you for saving me. >> so, i thought if i do that, that won't be boring. that will be like, what the hell is he doing? >> things just work out better in the end. >> and kathleen turner said like "what the hell is he doing?" >> i think i frustrated her with the performance but i adored her. >> did she ever say like knock it off? >> oh, yeah. >> but cage would draw from odd places again in the coen brothers' "raising arizona." how did you envision that role?

>> h.i. mcdunnough was like that thrush muffler symbol, the woody woodpecker with a cigar. i saw him with the red hair sticking up, like a looney tunes character come to life. again. >> i want to ask you about one scene in that movie, you're having your mug shot taken. and as you turn, you're walking away and you slap your ass. >> let me know how this come out. >> i had it all thought out, giddyap, you know, like getting himself up out of the mug shot. >> cage's catalog of inspiration extends from cartoons to the haunting german films he watched as a child. you've been influenced by german expressionists. what does that look like? >> well, what it is specifically, movies like cabinet of dr. caligari, or nosferatu or metropolis. the mad scientist shows the robot hand. and he goes like that. it's large, expressionistic acting. so i put that into "moonstruck", i lost my hand. that's exactly a direct steal. >> i lost my hand. i lost my bride. johnny has his hand. johnny has his bride. you want me to take my heartbreak and put it away and forget?

>> come on. >> 35 years on, ronny cammareri, the operatic, one-handed baker in the romantic comedy "moonstruck" remains one of the most memorable roles. bmplts you can do this one thing for me. >> reporter: but cage says it was a small movie called "leaving las vegas" that was the answer to his prayers. what did you think when you first read that script? twhanchts the feeling i had. this is the kind of movie i really want to make. heart breaking drama about two wounded people who somehow have this true love wmpt how did you figure out how to play that role? >> well, i looked at a lot of great movies.

a person who is in a sad situation and doesn't know it. you're like some kind of anti-dote mixes with the liquor and keeps me in balance. but that won't last forever. >> i was saying to myself, i'm never going to win the academy award, so let's just do this any way because nobody wanted to make it. >> at the oscars, you announced on stage you love the idea blurring the line between art and commerce by making the small film. and then you start doing these big action films. >> yeah. that was about staying unpredictable and trying something new again. but at the time when i did it, i think it pissed a lot of people off. you're an actor's actor. you're not supposed to be doing adventure films. >> but he did. the rock with sean connery, a prison break movie, con-air. >> put the money back in the box. >> the national treasure

franchise, and face-off, where cage's character literally swaps faces with john travolta. an absurd idea that delivered big box office returns and helped catapult cage into the category of hollywood's highest paid actors. where's your head at when that starts happening? >> oh, great, now i can make another "leaving las vegas." let's keep doing it. let's keep mixing it up. let's keep challenging ourselves. >> but cage ended up facing a different kind of challenge. we wanted to ask him about reports that he blew through his fortune, buying exotic cars, mansions around the globe, even a dinosaur skull, but his african crow huginn, objected to the line of questioning. >> hi, huginn. >> right on cue. >> nice to hear you're talking again. i know everyone in the house kind of freaked you out. >> the houses right, castles in germany, in england, an island, a mansion in new orleans. >> right. >> what's that about? >> i was over-invested in real estate. it wasn't because i spent $80 on an octopus.

but the real estate market crashed, and i couldn't get out in time. >> how much money did you end up owing to the irs? and to your creditors? >> i paid them all back. about $6 million. i never filed for bankruptcy. >> he moved to tax-free las vegas and dug in and worked nonstop. making three to four movies a year. that has to be a dark period for you. >> it was dark, sure. >> did the work help? >> no doubt, work, work was always my guardian angle. it may not have been blue chip, but it was still work. >> when somebody suggests during that period of time -- when these critics say, he's just here for a paycheck and phoning it in. >> even if the movie ultimately is crumby, they know i'm not phoning it in. that i care every time. but there are those folks who are thinking that the only good acting that i can do is the

acting that i chose to do by design which is more operatic ad, you know, larger than life and so-called cage rage and all that. but you're not going to get that every time. >> but part of the appeal is the cage rage, a moniker his fans have for his outside, some say over-the-top moments on film. >> i'm trying to help you and you won't listen! >> you go for it. i've heard you describe it as going for the triple axel every time. sometimes you land it and sometimes you don't. >> well, not every time. but there are things i do want to go for sometimes that i have a vision for, and i do. >> like his 2021 performance as a heartbroken chef in the movie "pig." >> none of it is real. the critics aren't real.

the customers aren't real because this isn't real. when i played rob in "pig," i felt i entered the room. i felt that i was closer to me than maybe i've ever been before in film performance. >> what do you mean, closer to you? >> that i wasn't acting. i felt that i was doing exactly what i care about. i think it's probably my best movie, and i think i'll put that up against "leaving las vegas" or anything else. >> that would include his turn as dracula in his latest movie "renfield." cage met us at a favorite hangout on the strip to talk about the count. >> we have much to discuss. >> dracula is daunting because it's a legacy. dracula is a character that has been done well many times. he's also a character that has

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