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jersey governor chris christie who is, of course, a presidential candidate and are vying for the republican nomination. governor, i also want to tap into your expertise as a former prosecutor. there are so many legal issues in this campaign, and i want to ask you about one involving the president's son hunter biden who will appear in court this week to plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax charges and will enter into an agreement that will avert conviction on a gun-related charge. the deal has infuriated many congressional republicans who were holding their own hearings and i wonder after this plea happens if you would advise your party to move on? >> no, i wouldn't, margaret and here's why. the conduct of the u.s. attorney in delaware and the justice department can't be justified. it doesn't take five years, margaret. as you mentioned i was the u.s. attorney in the fifth largest office in the country for serve

years during the bush administration and it does not take five years to investigate two misdemeanor tax counts and to dismiss a gun charge, and we need to know what they were investigating, and why these are the charges they concluded to. this is want just any person. this is the son of the president of the united states. while justice needs to be equal it needs to be equal and it doesn't appear to me that this is the way to do it, and i would say one thing on the gun charge. i mean, this is a case where democrats yell and scream for more new gun laws in the country and yet you hear no democrat yelling about the fact that hunter biden intentionally lied on his gun permit application, mishandled the gun after he received it with a false permit application and faces absolutely no penalty. guess what? the guy that sponsored that law was his father, senator joe biden and that charge carries a ten-year sentence, margaret. we need to explain -- they need to explain to the public why

that was done, so no, i don't think it was time to move on. >> and you know that the u.s. attorney in delaware was appointed by former president trump. >> incompetent, margaret. margaret, it doesn't matter if you're appointed by a republican or democrat if your work appears to be incompetent and inexplicable you need to explain it so we can have confidence our justice system and i don't care if mr. weiss is a republican or a democrat. he owes the american people an explanation. >> the former vice president mike pence was on another network this morning and said while the former president's actions on january 6th were reckless, he's not convinced they're criminal. are you? and why do you think other republicans are moving away from this traditional sort of law and order identity that they typically embraced in the past? >> look, i think because they're afraid of donald trump and, the fact is i don't know and i want to see any indictment that may

come and when i do, margaret, i'm happy to come back on and give you a good evaluation of what i think of the effectiveness of the charges if they come, but what i will tell you is i heard tim scott yesterday say it's not really the president's fault. well, the president invited them there. he incited them by telling them that the election had been stolen and then he requested that they march up to the capitol and of course, like donald trump, said that he would march with them and immediately marched right back to the safety of the white house and watched what went on. now i want to see what evidence the special counsel has before i make that decision. i think that's the wise thing to do, but please, for folks -- i'm disappointed in tim that he wab out there saying it's really not the president's responsibility. the president invited them there. the president lied to them and told them the election was stolen. the president asked them to march up to capitol hill while the votes were to be counted and the president sat there in the

white house and did nothing while the attack went on. >> should that amount to sedition charges at this point? >> margaret, i loved when i was u.s. attorney i used to say and i loved doing the job because only i know what i know. i want to know what evidence the special counsel has put together to decide whether i charged something like that or not, but here's one thing i know for sure. i will not dodge the question, margaret. when the indictment is out i will give a flat-out answer whether i would have charged it or not would have. until that time it's irresponsible on either side to do that. >> okay. lastly, the republican national committee is urging the president to appear on the debate stage. i know you will be there. >> do you think anything other than these legal issues could be discussed if mr. trump is on it. >> absolutely. we should discuss, margaret, why he said he was going to repeal and replace obama care and couldn't get it done when there was a republican congress and we

should discuss why they should build a wall on the entire border and build 52 miles of the wall. at that pace he'd need 110 more wall. why he added $6 trillion to the national debt in four years. look, people want to have these debates on stage. go to chris christie.com and donate to me and i will be on the debate stage and i will hold donald trump personally responsible for failing us for what he promised us when i was on that stage in 2016. >> chris christie, i think we will be seeing you back here and we're inviting you as well, governor. we now turn to the current governor of the state of new jersey, governor phil murphy who join us from middletown. good morning to you, mr. governor. i want to pick up on some of the things we just discussed there including when it comes to transgender care in your state because i know your administration has sued three

new jersey school districts for adopting policies to tell parents if their children are showing signs of changing gender identity and why is governor christie wrong? >> let me say i will not be going to chrischristie.com. listen, we took these actions because it's the right thing to do to protect these precious young people. this is a complete culture war and by the way, chris christie was really bad for the lgbtqia community and the underfunded education by $9 billion with a "b," so with all due respect to the governor i'm not sure he has much of a leg to stand on, but parents are always involved and certainly in our administration. they're always at the table and they always will be, but let's be smart about this. let's protect the rights of these precious kids. let's do things the right way, the american way, and i think if we do this in the spirit of

respecting everyone's rights. >> yeah. >> protecting the lgbtqia community, we'll land in a good place. >> one of the attorneys for a school board in marlboro and one of these districts said that this blocking of a school counselor or staff member from telling a parent about this is the violation of a constitutional right for a parent to direct and control the upbringing of their children. why isn't that compelling? >> parents are the existential reality in the upbringing of any child, without question. i don't deny that for one second, but let's not violate the constitutional and civil rights of precious young folks, in many cases, who are coming to grips with life as they grow up and grow older. let's be respectful of that. let's be all in this together as opposed to this us versus them, this demonizing and when that

happens, invariably it's the lgbt community, particularly trans folks who get behind the eight ball. >> i want to ask you what's happening in your state and you are also a biden surrogate and you decided to sue the biden department of transportation and the federal highway association to stop something called congestion pricing which is meant to cut back on pollution and traffic by charging drivers when they enter lower manhattan. a lot of people in your state commute there. if you are a green governor, how can you oppose this policy that was signed off on by the biden administration? >> first of all, i support joe biden unequivocally. we do so much together. on this one we don't see it the same way. at the end of the day the buck stops with me for standing up for the residents of our state. secondly, this will worsen pollution in new jersey.

congestion and the mta in new york city has admitted it. this is a financial fix more than it is an environmental fix and the loser here rid now are new jersey commuters and new jersey communities, and i will not let that stand. we have, in fact, filed soon against the federal highway administration. god willing we land on a good place and it's not like we don't have good bonafieds, margaret and we care deeply about it. this is bad for the environment in new jersey, not good for it. >> if it's bad for the environment then tell me why the mta said that the 4,000 page environmental assessment was supervised at every stage and specifically approved by the biden administration. the governor of new york says this is happening and environmentalists have studdied it. >> not so fast. they took a short cut in the federal highway administration. what they should have done with

us at the table given how it impacts new jersey and this is what they're suing for is to do a full-blown environmental impact study. that may take a while, but it's worth it and at the end of the day, listen, if we'd had the two new rail tunnels built under the hudson river which, by the way, chris christie canceled or if we had the shiny new port authority bus terminal which he dragged his feet on would be in a different place. our commuters would have alternatives. those alternatives finally are coming to pass, but it will take a while longer and at the moment those don't exist. >> that was -- that was an interesting turnback to chris christie on that. i'll give you that. on the politics front, since you're there. i worked in new york a long time so i know this issue, but for those who are elsewhere in the country, let's go national here. nikki haley in particular has focused on the vice president kamala harris and a lot of her

rhetoric and she's done it as a way pointing to president biden's age. the rnc is posting frequently clips from her speeches, flubs and they're really taking aim at her. why have republicans calculated it is a good strategy and that the vice president makes democrats vulnerable? >> i mean, this is a classic us versus them playbook that unfortunately, the other party too often than not wheels out and it's, frankly, offensive. she is an icon. she is an icon in the south asian community, in the african-american community among millions of women in this country. i, frankly, think it's offensive and it's a losing strateg. folks want to focus on the strength of our country. the biden-harris team has delivered 13 million jobs over -- it's been over 50 years since unemployment has stayed this low under 4%. the investment in

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but keep in mind, trans identities have been with us since the antiquities. i mean, the time of the bible and in literature and art history. there's examples of people throughout. so experts feel that the incidences have never changed and what we are seeing is more people comfortable coming out and so that explains the rise. >> so there's a spectrum here, though, from identity all of the way to surgery. so how common is it with surgery for someone under the age of 18 to be able to access it? >> surgery really is not done under the age of 18 except in severe cases, usually top surgery for trans masculine persons and even that is rare. i think the estimates are something like 57 surgeries under the age of 18 were done for trans individuals. so the majority of people, though, that do identify as tgd

or transgender diverse don't access medicine or surgery. it's just a feeling of maleness and faye maleness that differs from their birth-assigned gender and gender identity being diverse has lots of inputs and not just hormones and not just chromosomes, and not assigned gender, but a variety of inputs and that reflects the numbers, but they're low and they'll always be low. the current estimates are 0.6% of the population which is 1.6 million people and might be as high as 2% or 3%, but it will never be much more than that. the majority of people still identify and are very comfortable with their binary assignments and -- but this is a vulnerable population that deserves health care. >> so deserves health care. there are other treatments, as

well. hormone therapies and the like. a lot of these laws that are recently becoming or taking hold are aimed at this young segment of the population. how much research is there into the effects of puberty blockeblockers and hormones in people in this age group. >> we have trans treatment over and that shows unequivocally that treatment is beneficial, but in this age group, really, we've only been treating with hormone blockers which is the point of real controversy that people are after since the late 2000s, but in that time there has been research especially from groups in the netherlands, but increasingly here as well and the results are similar. we're seeing very high levels of satisfaction, improved self-esteem and reduced

suicidality. so they seem similar from what we've witnessed in adult populations, but the controversy is, i think, people feel like this number is increasing and it's going to, like, envelop their children and spread like a contagion which is just really a false narrative. >> there has been controversy regarding your particular group with the parameters because they removed age guidelines from the surgery recommendations. why did you take the age guidelines out? >> well, the point of that is first of all, what was leaked apparently was the draft guidelines which we were going to consider younger age groupings, but the important point is that care is individualized, and so age isn't really the issue. generally it's adulthood, and except in severe cases and, you know, again, a draft guideline

gets input from around the world with available science that provides input and consensus so this is what the path standards of care is all about and it's consensus and science-based guidelines. >> and i want to add, some people said science has settled. i never say the science has settled and i always feel like science is always evolving and medicine is always looking for new input and new data, but what we see is promising and again this very small subset of the population is worthy of that care and it seems to be beneficial. >> so one of the things that we heard on this program from the governor of utah was that he felt that some of the organizations like even the american academy of pediatrics were too political on this issue. what science are you looking at where you think the politics aren't interfering? >> well, i mean, what the critics are looking for is what

they call level one evidence. level once evidence would require a systematic review of all randomized, controlled studies in this area, and if you look at anywhere else in medicine about half of what we now accept as routine treatment in any field is not guided by level 1 evidence. take, for example, cancer treatment or cleft palate surgery and diabetes care and none of those have level one evidence. to do so, you would have to induce -- introduce a placebo, and there is a non-treatment of the group, but can you imagine offering someone who has cancer non-treatment? >> there's a different benchmark, you're saying as being applied here. doctor, thank you for your explanations. i appreciate it. we'll be right back.

we turn now to ukraine where the russians have staged unrelenting attacks on the port city of odesa. our charlie d'agata filed this report from the region. >> through the darkness and

debris following the bombardment of ukraine's black sea port cities rescuers shout out is anybody here, even in the daily reality of war, it's still hard to see civilians bearing the brunt of it. in rare access to recapture territory, we pass through the ruins of ramifka. pre-war population, 1300 now just 15 people. including victor and lubia who happily invited us in. amid the constant thump of artillery rounds. >> these explosions don't bother you? >> no. those are far away. for us, this is like silence. >> you call it silence? wow. viktor says it wasn't that far away that morning with helicopters hovering overhead in support of ground troops. lubya's smile never disappeared

even as she cut flowers for her 92-year-old mother who passed away during the winter. soldiers helped bury her in the yard. the graveyard was too dangerous. we eventually made our way to the neighborhoods recaptured by ukrainian troops in recent days. here on the very edge of newly liberated territory, not a building has been left untouched. the ukrainians have managed to push the russian front line back, but the russians keep attacking what's left of this place. >> they call areas like this the zero line, front-line towns and villages under constant bombardment. we last went there in may when we met deputy mayor svetlana running a community center for residents who chose to stay despite the incredible risks. >> this is like a little village inside a village. >> it's like civivilization ama all the devastation, she said,

baback then.. that's's until around two w wee agoo whenn a direct hit from a guided russian missile destroyed everything killing seven and injuring 13. svetlana had just left 20 minutes before the strike. >> i'm glad you're okay. >> but she's not okay. she's only now found the strength to talk about it. when we last saw you you were very positive, very optimistic, very proud of that center. today you look broken. i'm not broken, she said. it's just that my heart and my body have been shattered into lots of tiny pieces, but i am not broken. >> that's our charlie d'agata in ukraine. that will do it for us today until next week. for "face the nation" i'm

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