♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we want to continue our conversation with hunter biden's attorney abbe lowell. let's pick up on where we left off before the break. >> because i know we were a little rushed. so, to answer your question squarely, people should keep in mind that while mr. weiss' title

changed last week, he's the same person he's been for the last five years. he's a republican u.s. attorney appointed by a republican president and attorney general who had career prosecutors working this case for five years looking at every transaction that hunter was involved in. so whether it was tax or the gun or possible any other charge, if anything changes from his conclusion, which was two tax misdemeanors and a diverted gun charge, the question should be asked what infected the process that was not the facts in the law. >> or new evidence. are you confident your client won't face new criminal charges? >> i'm confident that if this prosecutor has done what has been done for the last five years, then the only conclusion can be what the conclusion was on july 26th. it's new evidence. there's no new evidence to be found. some of these transactions are years old. they've had people in the grand jury. they've had data that was provided to them. i don't know the possibility exists after this kind of painstaking investigation for there to be, oh, my gosh,

there's a new piece of evidence which changes. only thing that will change is the scrutiny on some of the charges, for example, the gun charge. >> is it your position that joe biden was completely walled off from hunter's business affairs? as you know, this is a focus in congress. >> i understand. and my opinion doesn't matter. what matters is the facts and the evidence. and the facts and the evidence that have been pursued by however many members of congress and staff and media have shown time and time again, doesn't exist. if the most people that are criticizing the biden family is, is that when the president calls his son every day and it goes on the speakerphone, and he says hello to everyone in the room, that is not an offense, that is nothing other than a living father. >> the illusion of access is a phrase used in the room when his former business partner, devon archer, testified. but these foreign interests are very much being scrutinized. within that plea memorandum that was released, it details a number of hunter biden's

financial transactions. he was in the throes of addiction, he wasn't able to pay his taxes at the time. but he's also had income from a chinese business conglomerate, an infrastructure investment company, a ukrainian energy company, romanian business. is there any chance that any of this crossed a line? >> if you say crossed a line, here's, again, what we know. five years, thorough investigation looking at the chinese, the energy company, the other foreign businesses he did. that was not something that wasn't looked at. think of it this way. what did this group of prosecutors who are republicans appointed by donald trump, what did they have as a motive to turn the other way to anything that they found that would have indicated wrongdoing against hunter biden? there was none. and that's what is missing in the equation. everybody keeps yelling that this was some sort of deal that was too good. what's not too good. what it's about is that it reflects the five-year investigation, and no one has

come up with a reason why anybody who was on the prosecution team would've gone easy on hunter biden if any of that that just set out had ever been the case. so the answer is confident that after five years, nothing should change other than the fact that mr. weiss now has a new title. >> we will be tracking what happens next, abbe, with your wowork and hunterr biden. we'lll be rigight back. everery step o of my jouourn. - they'v've helpeded me realize e it's posossible to risise to thehe top agaga. - it's p possible e to get te hehelp i neeeed for me a and my fafamily. - itit's possisible to h hae pupushups agagain. - to feeeel undersrstood. - toto begin h healing b boh ininside andnd out. - to f feel likeke myself f a. - anand now i i know anynythg is posossible. (g(gentle mumusic) (ambience of room, birds, scrolling content on phone) you tried. limiting when it was okay. no tech behind closed doors. but social media's algorithms of addiction always won out.

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the attorney general barr. this said it's limited to the case that was brought before him, initially that's the scope instead of all of the matter ares related to unpaid taxes. the concern here obviously with barr being special counsel -- excuse me, weiss being special counsel, is that he was the one that allowed the statute of limitations to expire on some very critical felony charges that could have been brought against hunter biden. >> why would he have done that? >> the irs whistle-blower said that interference in the department of justice, there's some question as to whether or not it's a prosecutorial misconduct, but it certainly could be prosecutorial malpractice. when you've been given the charge to handle claims of such explosive nature and allow the statute of limitations to expire, resulting in hunter biden has in his pocket $125,000 worth of taxes that were owed to the united states, that is result of these being expired, remain in his pocket. >> why would a u.s. attorney appointed by president trump

working under a republican attorney general with career prosecutors have that level of conspiracy? >> well, it's not conspiracy. th that actually occurred -- >> to deliberately allow for the statute of limitations to pass? >> i think those are questions that he has to answer. why did this occur. the irs whistle-blowers said it was interference from the department of justice that allowed them to expire. the prosecutor, weiss, had been working with hunter biden and his attorney and actually getting waivers for those statutes of limitation period. he stopped getting the waiver. so he certainly was knowledgeable, aware that it was going to be inspiring, and then something occurred where he allowed those to expire. also his appointment is coming right on the heels of james comer's release of bank records that indicate that we're now up to $20 million worth of funds that came from foreign sources. >> right, allegations in this. >> but there are actual bank

records. the bank records are right on the website of the house oversight committee, over $20 million released august 9th that went to hunter biden, his family, and business associates that come frm china, russia. as chairman of the intelligence committee serving on the armed services committee, this is a great concern because you have foreign individuals that are making payments to the son of the vice president, now son of the president, and obviously they're buying something. they weren't buying his business advice, they were buying influence. >> we just heard from the attorney who had said, you know, no crime has been substantiated on that front. but i want to ask you -- >> well, he's representing hunter biden because he's in court for crimes. >> what you do is political and he has to meet a legal benchmark in court as -- >> he's not in court when he's on your show. >> fair. can i please ask you about iran, though? >> i would love to get to iran. >> tensions are very high. the u.s. has sent more marines,

more ships to the region. and the president has brokered this tentative agreement with iran to bring home these five americans. you've been briefed. are you comfortable with the terms? >> well, we haven't really been briefed and that's the concern. >> congress was updated though. >> at this point we have not received the terms of the deal or even what the proposed deal is. the administration has signaled that the release of these detainees is part of a broader negotiation with respect to reinstating some controls on the nuclear weapons and enrichment programs of iran dating back to the jcpoa. and the concern is that "new york times" has reported that the administration may be pursuing an informal deal as opposed to the formal deal that we had before that had congressional oversight. what we don't want, obviously everybody wants detainees to come home and hostages to come home. we want the administration to work diligently to bring americans home, whether they're in iran, russia, or elsewhere. and our hearts certainly go out for them. but in this instance the administration is signaling that this is a part of a broader deal

concerning iran's enrichment program. and if that becomes a secret deal, then that's obviously a great concern to congress. >> these are deescalatory first steps. you would consider that a what? are you opposed to what the administration's trying to do? there has been reporting and cbs has also confirmed that iran has, you know, at least reduced some of its nuclear development. >> well, actually there's no real reports of anything being reduced. they're currently at 60% -- >> i'm sure you read "the wall street journal" report -- >> they're at 60%. they had one-year breakout in getting to the enrichment level that could result in a weapon. they are now weeks away. freezing them now where before in the jcpoa they actually surrendered some of the enrichment levels in. this if we just have a deal that freezes where iran is and really

without the understanding of all aspects of their program because they had thrown out the inspectors from the iea. they've removed the cameras from sites. >> so you would support a broader diplomatic deal and negotiations with iran to achieve that? >> absolutely. and certainly in the negotiations, as they're going forward, they are certainly critical. but the terms of the deal are absolutely important because last time we had an insufficient inspection regime. we had terms that were critical that expired. in this instance they appear to be careening toward a deal that would be informal, not subject to congressional oversight because we wouldn't know all the terms. and the last deal that came before congress for a vote, they had to disclose what the deals are. >> i remember. >> what we're concerned about is we don't want a secret deal with iran. >> should congress ban travel to iran? >> i think it should be certainly considered. i know you're going to have coming up one of the family members of one of the detainees, and i think her message is incredibly important, people

should not be going to iran. >> congressman, thank you very much for your time today. we'll be back in a moment.

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sister of emad sharghi, one of the four americans who was recently transferred from evin prison to house arrest. your brother's a step closer to freedom. have you spoken with him? how is he? >> not only have i spoken to him, but i actually saw his face on a video call that he made. and i was able to look into his eyes. i'm happy to say that he survived, he's alive, and we're so hopeful that we can have him at home in our arms hopefully soon. >> was that the first time you'd seen his face in some time? >> in about a year, yeah. and, you know, i looked into his face and i just realized that everything we're doing is so worth it. i looked into the eyes of an innocent american who has been through so much, as have the others. so i'm just grateful for everything that's going on to try and get them home finally.

this week has been great. but there's just been so much speculation about the deal and the terms of the deal and all of that by looking at him, i was reminded that we're talking about people, we're talking about innocent americans, and let's just get them home soon. >> the white house said there is still negotiating to do, and not everyone is safe yet. but september could be when the prisoners return home. do you have any idea when that might be or what happens next? >> you know, my family and i are, um, just on pins, like pins and needles. we're incredibly nervous about what happens next. and we don't know the details. i know there are lots of people out there who are speculating. i know for a fact that there's someone out there speculating who actually doesn't know anything about what comes next. so we just have to continue

being optimistic, realize that we're dealing with innocent americans, and do everything we can to get them home quickly and have an american story of celebration when they come home. >> it is so hard when it comes to hostage issues, particularly with iran, because it's such a complex challenge for policymakers. but, as you just said, you're talking about human beings and families at the other end of it. so when you hear the criticism of releasing billions of dollars to a regime who did this to your brother and who has done this to others, how do you respond when people say you're rewarding bad behavior and they're going to do it again if you release billions of dollars to iran? >> you know, i've been advocating for other hostages of wrongful detainees. my role on the bring our families home campaign, i have seen families struggle and suffer. i know the devastation that families go through as they're

trying to bring their loved ones home. i'm in that position myself right now. we can have discussions about how to prevent this from happening in the future, but we don't do that on the backs of innocent americans. we need to bring them home, and then we can have discussions about how we can prevent this in the future. you even heard chairman turner say he's not against bringing home americans, innocent americans. they should come home, we should do whatever we can to bring my brother home to his parents, to his wife, to his lovely two daughters, who you have met. and then let's sit and have the discussions that we need about how we can prevent this from happening again. >> your family has been on this program begging for an audience with president biden, begging for more attention. what do you think about what the administration has done? >> i wish they had done it sooner, but they're doing it now. i want them to finish this and bring my brother home, let my

aging parents see him before it's too late. and i want them to work on bringing other americans home. we need their help. they need to do it -->> should there be a ban on travel for americans to iran? >> i think that it's hard when you have family -- it's hard, look. my brother went to iran after his two daughters graduated high school, and he was an empty nester. and like thousands of other americans with iranian heritage, went back as a tourist. i don't want to prevent people from doing that. but the reality is we need to sit down together, both sides of the aisle and come up with ways that we can prevent this from happening again. but, again, i say this, margaret. we do that but we don't do that on the backs of innocent americans who are currently held hostage abroad.

every single one of these hostages, my brother included, has a family waiting for him, for them. and they need to be brought home. and those discussions about prevention and deterrence can and should happen after they're home. >> well, we will continue following that as well as your brother, and we wish you well. thank you for sharing your story at this sensitive time. >> thank you very much. >> we'll be back. to make it cause you're ty and you have extreme pain, you have to make a change. golo enabled me to make that change. golo is real and it changes your life. years s ago, we usused to just fall l asleep with a f full face o of mak. don't t regret, jujust rever. no7'7's new fututure renew wiwith a worldld-first pepeptide techchnology no otherer skincare e product. eveven those t that cost 10 t times more.e. rereverse visisible signss of skin n damage in n 4 wee.

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security has been stepped up in downtown atlanta ahead of possible charges that could be handed down against former president trump this week. there is new research that support political violence on the rise following trump's numerous indictments to rate. robert pape, a professor at the university of chicago, joins us now with details. it's good to have you back. >> thank you, margaret. >> and i know you've been tracking this really troubling

trend in american politics for a while here. and the survey you did in june on the second federal indictment of former president trump, after that point, what impact did you see? is it feeding more anger, or is it just sort of baked in? >> what we're seeing is the country as a whole on the edges but now moving into the mainstream, is becoming much more angry, much more radicalized. and this is particularly happening just in the last three months. what is occurring, i study this not from the perspective of a political pollster who's ahead in a political horse race, but from 30 years of experience in studying political violence. and the biggest picture to take away from the survey of our dangers to democracy tracker is that political support for -- support for political violence is now reaching into the

mainstream. that's different. it's not just about oathkeepers, proud boys. it is now breaching into the mainstream. and we are seeing the consequences of that in many ways in our society. >> in looking at some of the research you shared with us, one of the things that stood out, you are seeing this radicalization on both sides of the political spectrum. 30 million people, according to your numbers, think the use of force is justified to prevent donald trump from being president, 18 million think it's justified to restore trump to the presidency. >> exactly. what we're seeing is not simply a manifestation on the right. that is absolutely important, and there's no doubt that january 6th, the crowd that sieged the capitol is something that has not happened on the left so i'm not trying to draw that equivalence. but, nonetheless, what we need to look at are the sentiments on

both the right and the left that are being radicalized to millions and millions of americans. and this is important because political -- these sentiments are a bit like understanding wildfires, the first part of your show. it's the dry kindling that is so important that we can measure in advance. we can't measure political scientists like myself or meteorologist a camp fire that could set off that kindling or powerlines that could set off that kindling. what we can actually measure and see whether it's growing, shrinking are the sentiments for political violence in the country, and those are growing, and it's important not because every one of those people is going to commit political violence, but because it helps to legitimate political violence, and it is the pool of people that ultimately do commit acts of political violence. >> which is your response to those who say, well, that's a small percentage.

you're saying that could have huge ramifications. >> and we're seeing those ramifications in utah. but utah's not an exception to this. >> you're talking about the 74-year-old man who was shot by the fbi when they were trying to serve a warrant to his home? because he had been making threats online about president biden. >> and what's important is not that we're just seeing the rise of online chatter in the last few years. remember, we studied that with isis as well. what we're seeing now is the rise of determined threats by individuals. the man in utah made threats online in march, was visited by law enforcement, and then did it again, this time brandished a gun. now, that's a determined threat. if we look at the man who was arrested in front of obama's home just a month before that, he was at january 6th breaking into the capitol. then he surveilled the area the day before in a 17-minute video. then he comes back with guns and bombs. brett kavanaugh attacker before that. the pelosi attacker before that.

these are determined, what we're seeing as determined individuals, not simply online chatter. and our surveys, this tracker of dangers to democracy, helped to give and inform the situational awareness and how it's changing in our country. >> with the older man in utah, this was online threat posting. but there are individuals around him who said he wasn't necessarily a threat. so there is some probing of whether the political rhetoric matches actual intent. >> how do you measure that? >> that will be the case in every single instance of a specific individual. there is always psycho social circumstances. there's always biographical constraints of being able to execute violence itself. those will be often very and become unique to every single individual. it's not the one individual

case, margaret. it's this pattern that we're seeing now going back now years of determined -- normally the fbi, law enforcement knocks on your door and says we don't like this threat to the president, maybe you should knock that off. that often just goes away. that's not what happened in this case. what happened in this case is they ramped up. they got more aggressive as president biden was about to come to utah. so biden is coming closer to him. it is not at all weird that then -- i mean, just think of what had happened if something had gone wrong and law enforcement had not knocked on this man's door. we don't want to wait until we actually have to react after an event. and, so, but this is not a lone case. what we're seeing is case after case after case of this. and we should go back to january 6th where the crowd is chanting "hang mike pence." building a gallows and not just sort of dismiss that as, well,

is that just -- >> we are not and that's why we are going to continue following that. thank you. that's it for this week. i'm margaret brennan. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com

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