welcome back to "face the nation." i'm nancy cordes in for margaret today. we're back with republican nancy mace and democrat ro khanna. the two of you are here because the u.s. is facing a so-called child care cliff. most parents probably didn't know about. on september 30th, just a little

over a month from now, $40 billion worth of pandemic-era funding for the child care industry is set to expire and without it, up to 70,000 child care facilities could close and an estimated 3.2 million children could lose access to child care. these numbers are really frightening. what can the two of you do about it and how quickly can you get legislation together so that congress could consider it before the deadline? >> it's staggering the challenge for us, and congressman khanna and i have been good friends, great lawmakers together. we started a child care caucus. our approaches may be different from time to time on different issues, but our goals are always the same. these are issues that parents, especially moms, that they care about and we have to address. from the perspective that i'm looking at, you know, we talk about 4-year-old pre-k and making sure that parents have the freedom and the resources to have child care options,

affordable child care options. i approach it from a less government regulation standpoint. we have crazy regulations in this country. some places say you have to have a four-year college degree. that makes it harder to find child care workers, increase in costs because of it. others say if you're certified in one state, it's not reciprocal in another. having some of those approaches that can be easy to fix, fast fix, not controversial, and get to a president's desk signed into law that's what we've got to be working on. >> what do you agree on? >> as divided as we are as a country, 86% of americans believe that we need more support for affordable child care. this is something that unifies americans. we have agreement on more training for child care workers, paying them more and having more flexibility. we have an agreement on some support, government policy support, for child care. the average cost of a family for child care is $10,000 a year.

and 85% of women say that they can't work because of child care issues if they're leaving the workforce. so we have -- we need a short-term solution, the continuation of some of the fra grands and funding so we don't have this cliff and the president signs and then a long-term solution to reduce the costs to families. >> doing that alone would cost $16 billion. congresswoman, you spoke earlier about the fact that you feel both president trump and president biden presided over too much spending, but a lot of solutions here, experts say, costs money. universal pre-k, fully funding the child care development fund, subsidizing child care for low-income families. what could you live with and what do you think you could convince fellow republicans to get on board with? >> well, i actually think it's less government, not more, that's getting in the way of this. we saw in december of 2018 in the azar report came through

making recommendations to states about health care policy and need, the same kind of thing could be said for what are some of the easy low hanging fruit regulations we can roll back or eradicate and recommend go away -- >> do you think rolling back regulations alone can really get at the problem? >> it's a good start. right now we're going to have a difficult time with the appropriations process because of the amount of spending going on, additional supplementals. what are the small parts to make a big difference in a mom's life. that is one thing i think a lot of us can agree on. it's not going to be easy. we do some large comprehensive spending package it's going to have difficulty. i'm looking for small parts big difference. >> this is an investment that is pro economic growth. businesses are losing billions of dollars because we don't have people in the workforce. it pays for itself. then you look at the funding. you're talking about less than 1% of the defense budget. we're one of the only countries that is putting $10,000 of burden on ordinary families just to take care of their kids. it's pro family, it's pro

economic growth, and we should have a consensus in this country that has the government make a difference here. >> incentivize businesses and make sure that parents have the money to afford child care. >> it is important because we've seen study after study that shows early childhood education makes a huge difference in outcomes later in life. so we really hope you're successful. congresswoman nancy mace and congressman ro khanna, appreciate you being here today. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. we, the e moms who h have lost our childldren

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>> yesterday, thousands marched to honor the anniversary, a continuation of dr. king's dream with many echos of the past and concerns about the challenges facing the civil rights movement today. among those who spoke, dr. king's granddaughter, yolanda king. >> 60 years ago dr. king urged us to struggle against a triple evils of racism, poverty, and bigotry. today, racism is still with us, poverty is still with us, and now gun violence has come for our places of worship, our schools, and our shopping centers. >> a powerful message. we'll discuss that with our political panel joining us now, robert costa is our our chief election and campaign correspondent, david becker, our election law contributor and we're joined by congressional

correspondents scott macfarlane and nikole killion, a double billing. what words by the granddaughter of martin luther king just a few hours before that shooting talking about racially animated shootings taking place across the country. nikole, here we are 60 years later still a lot of challenges. >> really striking. that was king's granddaughter. we heard from martin luther king iii, dr. king's son, and king's wife. really being out there on the mall yesterday, 60 years later, it was palpable the amount of frustration and concern there is 60 years later. we talk about how far we have come as a country, and yet, for many, particularly in the african american community, there's a sense we're still fighting the same battles, whether that's issues of hate crimes, violence, the issue of roll back of affirmaive action,

voting rights. those were some of the concerns articulated at the march yesterday, and also a call to action to continue to keep fighting some of these issues so that one day, dr. king's dream can be realized. that certainly was the message expressed. >> a call to action earlier in the show by former vice president mike pence as well. robert, i want to talk to you about the former president, president trump, he's been booked, he's got a mugshot, he is raising a lot of money using that mugshot. what can you tell us about the legal strategy that his team has right now, particularly after he has changed his legal team in the atlanta case? >> good to be with you. he has shaken up his legal it team in georgia. what to watch now is the difference between his strategy and the strategy of his co-defendants in this georgia case. a sprawling prosecution using rico, racketeering charges, to get the large group of

defendants together. kenneth chess borrow suggested electors for people is pushing for a speedy trial. so is sydney powell who urged the company to seize voting machines in the weeks after the 2020 election. trump is not pushing for a speedy trial. because it could have political complications based on our reporting at cbs news. he could be called as witness during the fall as debates are heating up and the primaries and caucuses loom. what you're watching in georgia right now is the pushing by mark meadows, former chief of staff, to have this trial move from being a georgia case at the state fulton county level, to being a federal case. there are many dynamics at play, multiple legal fronts, all as the political battleground unfolds. >> david, you're a lawyer. robert mentioned these co-defendants who are looking for a speedy trial. why would they want a speedy trial?

why would they want their lawyers to have less time to prepare for this if. >> they might feel they know the facts of this case and prepared to go to trial. there might be a variety of tactical reasons. the court is going to have to decide how to server all of these defendants and place them into different court cases at different times. or they could all be tried together as well if there's a way to reconcile that. that's something that the lawyers and the clients are discussing and trying to figure out, and this is where we're going to see the tension between the defendants. these defendants aren't all unified in their claims, and some of them may do better if others of them do worse. and so we're going to see that play out over the next several months as the tactical considerations are made. >> we know donald trump does not want a speedy trial in this case or any cases. in fact, in d.c., tomorrow, there's going to be a hearing about one of his federal cases where his lawyers have pushed to have the trial in 2026. are they going to be successful

with that motion is it. >> we'll find out tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. eastern time. this is a mars and venus type of world. the prosecution wants it january 2nd and trump's team 2026. there are some reasons for optimism for jack smith going into this hearing. first of all, the early hearings in this case have moved crispily. they've had a quick schedule and the judge has met all the deadlines. the judge said if donald trump continues with vitriolic social media posts she's inclirds to move the trial date earlier to avoid tainting the jury pool and also the other matter of there are many other cases going on and this schedule is getting clogged quickly. january or early 2024 trial might suit some purposes. by so many accounts, this case, the one in d.c. is built for efficiency. >> i want to ask you, nikole, about the vitriolic social media posts that scott just eloquently described. the judge in -- the d.a. in

atlanta has a different bond agreement with donald trump than with any of his other co-defendants. basically he has to refrain from attacking fellow witnesses, defendants, on social media or anywhere else. based on what we know of donald trump, which is that he attacks lots of people all the time on social media, how likely is it he's going to live up to that agreement? >> well, it remains to be seen. we know he's verbose on the campaign trail and doesn't hold back when it comes to going after the prosecutors in this case, but he does have to be very careful. we know he has a new counsel in georgia. i would imagine conversations would be had about those parameters to reaffirm them. certainly the fact that former president turned around and put his mugshot on social media in a short period of time, raised $7.1 million off of that, shows that, you know, he is trying to capitalize off of this case so

it's certainly likely he could go after some of these witnesses, continue to go after prosecutors, but if he's being smart about it and listening to his counsel, hopefully he won't. >> a lot of people wondering why a billionaire would have to go through a bail bondsman to post a $200,000 bail? >> well, this is a case where trump is just trying to get his bearings now in georgia. he got rid of his lawyer drew findling. they're watching trump get a bail bondsman in georgia. the rest of the field, i was in milwaukee covering the debate, they're wondering, is there ever a moment where this all becomes too much for now republican voters are rallying behind trump. they're buying his mugshot on coffee cups or t-shirts. but the republican race -- i was hearing this from candidates and their top strategists in milwaukee this week, they're saying down the line, this could become such a burden on trump's time and political energy that maybe they start to break through. that's why they're not going at

him directly in most cases. you heard criticism from vice president pence, former vice president pence and former governor christie in your conversations today, but beyond those two, they're hovering around trump's candidacy trying to build their own message, should there ever be a collapse with trump. as we know with the republican party, it might never come. they might always stick by trump. >> it gets difficult to schedule campaign raleilies if you're expected in court every other day. >> you are an election law expert. you speak to secretaries of state and election officials in various states all the time. how do they feel, now that the former president, many of his aides, have actually been charged with crimes connected to the 2020 election, which as we know, was not rife with fraud as the former president continues to argue? >> yeah. it's 1027 days since the november 2020 elx.

the most scrutinized election with paper ballots, recounts, preelection litigation, post-election litigation than ever before and election officials are still to this day almost three years after that having to debunk lies about that election, having to defend their own patriotism, their own service to our country. playing an endless game of wacamole. i think they are seeing an accountability coming to those who have spread those lies for so long. it's not just the criminal cases. it's also the civil defamation case against fox news. it's also the disbarment proceedings against people like john eastman and rudy giuliani. there is a sense that accountability is coming and they want this to play out according to how the legal system is supposed to work. it is working that way right now. and so what we hope to see is that there's a cooling down because right now there are tens of millions of americans still believe that republicans and democrats are conspiring to steal elections and that's just

false and we know it's false. >> a lot of election workers who got death threats who continue to get death threats because of some of the things that people are saying about the election. david becker, robert costa, nikole killion, scott macfarlane, thank you for being here today. appreciate it. >> we will be right back.

welcome back. russia's investigative committee confirmed today that the remains of wagner leader yevgeny prigozhin have been positively identified along with nine others who died in a plane crash last week. we're joined by fiona hill, senior fellow at the brookings institution and former white house russia expert. good morning, fiona. thank you so much for being here. russian president vladimir putin claims he had nothing to do with this. is there anyone in the diplomatic community who believes that? >> i doubt it. i think what we cap certainly say he didn't order it not to happen because there are plenty of people who were painting a target on prigozhin's back. the system it will expected him

to be taken out in the picture in some fashion. i guess it was a question about what the method would be, and, in fact, i think over the last two months there's been more shock not just internationally but domestically based on source reporting that fact that nothing had happened to prigozhin and that he was allowed to walk around as if he hadn't perpetrated a push two months ago. >> usually putin's enemies tend to get poisoned or pushed out windows or shot. why go to the trouble of bombing an airplane? >> well, we don't know exactly how the aircraft was brought down yet, but i guess we'll find out more as things go along. i'm sure, again, that russian government, the kremlin, will accuse all kinds of other people about carrying out this act seemed to be the result of an explosive device, for example, but it's so dramatic. it's so spectacular, that, of course, one has to ask whether this was done for the

demonstrative effect of it. we have had some mysterious plane crashes in the past taking down russian leaders. there was a very famous general alexander lebit, for example, who died in a helicopter crash, so it's not something that is unheard of. in other settings as well, we've had pakistan, bangladesh, china, where they have been the loss of key people in plane crashes, so i think this is par for the course, unfortunately. >> there is symmetry, isn't there, to prigozhin's dash to moscow in that aborted mutiny when wagner group brought down several russian aircraft? >> exactly. so this is also a part of that idea of he who lives by the sword dies by the sword. eye for eye. the vengeance factor is baked into the system. there was a lot of clamor from the military and the air force for some kind of retribution for this, whether it was in a legal form. he took down a proportional number of people in the russian

military aircraft as you said here, so again, there is a symmetry and a symbolism in all of this, inescapable in the russian domestic context as well as for the rest of us watching it from the outside. >> the wagner group has been pivotal for the russian military in the war in ukraine. now there are reports that the russian government is requiring wagner fighters to sign loyalty oaths. what is this going to mean? the death of yevgeny prigozhin, what will it mean for the war in ukraine? >> well, i don't think it will mean anything significant for the war in ukraine in terms of the military campaign itself. we were already seeing that wagner was being pulled out, pulling out after the actions in back hoot where they were in the thick of the fighting there in that city that, of course, there's so much of the focus on the carnage of the war over the last several months, but it was already a precipitating factor in the series of events over the

last two months. the idea that wagner group are going to be dismantled and reincorporated or incorporated for the first time into the russian military, and that was one of the factors that prigozhin was citing as a reason for him making his march on moscow. he didn't want to did v his twice put under the command of the central russian military. i think what we can see from all of this is wagner was pretty crucial for these early stages, this first couple of parts of the campaign in ukraine, and now the russian government and putin wants to have more centralized control. he gave wagner a long leash, and prigozhin clearly took that leash far too far. >> you're such a close study of vladimir putin. you sat across the table from him. how should we think about his power in russia now after this likely assassination? there was a period of time after prigozhin made that dash to

moscow where it seemed like elites, commentators in russia felt more comfortable speaking out against putin, against the war. he appeared to be weak. how does his standing look to you now? >> well, not only were other commentators speaking out but prigozhin said this war was a mistake, but it was basically he was acting because he wanted to make sure that war was won and that was kind of part of the theme of his revolt. now commentators as you said, including, you know, some senior generals v been bashed literally bashed back and put out of the picture for saying the same kinds of things. what putin is saying with this assassination, you know, whether he carried it out or not the message is very clearly transmitted to everybody, no speaking out now. buckle down. everyone getting behind this campaign in ukraine. that's why i say i don't think it's really going to change the way the russians are approaching

this. there is no room for disloyalty. one of the things putin said that was notable when the mutiny was happening two months ago, the traitors who carry this out will have an inevitable punishment. we've seen an inevitable death as a result of this, that everyone was far told. we've been expecting something like this for the last two months. the message to the whole system is, don't try anything. and even don't criticize, i would say, at this point because we've seen so much action against people who have been speaking out. >> and prigozhin may not be the last to be targeted. fiona hill, thank you so much for being here today. >> thank you. and that's it for us. thank you for watching. for "face the nation," i'm nancy cordrdes. have a gooood day. pepeaker] butr projoject helplps you rereale it's posossible toto get outute - [speakaker] to f feel sense ofof camaradaderie agagain. - [speakaker] to f find the toolols to live life b bette. - [narrarator] thrhrough generousus community suppopor, we've coconnected warriorsrs d their fafamilies w with no ct physicalal and menental healah servrvices, lelegislativive adv,

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