when you humble yourself under the mighty hand of god, in due time he will exalt you. hi, i'm joel osteen. i'm excited about being with you every week. i hope you'll tune in. you'll be inspired, you'll be encouraged. i'm looking forward to seeing you right here. you are fully loaded and completely equipped for the race that's been designed for you. i'm robert costa in washington. this week on "face the nation" -- the fall campaign season heats up.

politics enters a disaster zone. president biden spent part of his labor day weekend touring damage left behind by hurricane idalia in florida. notably absent, potential rival and current republican governor of florida ron desantis. >> well, no, i'm not disappointed. he may have had other reasons. >> with four months to go until the first primary contest, we'll take a closer look at the state of the presidential race. gop candidate nikki haley joins us. we'll ask her how she's keeping up as the former president continues to dominate the polls. and we'll speak with vermont senator bernie sanders who recently delivered a speech in an early primary state, calling on the democratic party to do more for working-class voters. what about a potential independent ticket? we'll talk with former maryland governor, republican larry hogan, who is a leader of a bipartisan group that could launch a presidential bid. will hogan be on it? >> i have not closed the door to

that. >> we'll have analysis from political strategists, ashley etienne and terry sullivan. as president biden gets ready to travel to asia for a world meeting this week, we'll hear from commerce secretary gina raimondo who just got back from her trip to beijing. what did she accomplish amid growing tensions between the u.s. and china? it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." margaret is off today. labor day weekend typically begins the unofficial end of summer, and traditionally, is when presidential campaigns ramp up. we begin this morning with republican candidate and former

governor nikki haley. good morning, ambassador haley. >> great to be with you. >> let's begin with senator mitch mcconnell who appeared to freeze up before cameras in recent days for the second time in two months. his doctor then issued a statement saying mcconnell, who was hospitalized earlier this year after a fall, is able to continue to work. quote, lightheadedness is not uncommon. ambassador, you said this in recent days. the senate is, quote, the most privileged nursing home in the country and mcconnell needs to, quote, know when to leave. do you believe it's time for mcconnell to step down from his leadership position? >> bob, i am completely for term limits, i'm completely for mental competency tests for anyone over the age of 75, and i'm not saying that to be disrespectful. here you have mitch mcconnell who has done great service to the country. you have dianne feinstein who had a great career. you've got nancy pelosi who has been there a long time. at what point do they get, it's

time to leave? they need to let a younger generation take over. we want to go and start working for our kids, to make sure we have a strong national security, to make sure we have a stronger economic policy, to make sure that america is safe, and we can't do that if these individuals refuse to give up power. this is not just a republican or democrat problem, this is a congressional problem. they have to know when to leave. it is it time to pass this down to a new generation of conservative leaders that want to take our down the a better place. >> just to be clear, when republican senators come back to washington, should they have a leadership shakeup on the table? and should they talk about potentially having somebody else come in as the leader in the senate? >> i want this for republicans and democrats. i want to make sure that they all know it's time to go. there's a reason the american people want term limits. it's because they don't want people staying there forever. they don't want people drunk on the power. they don't want people to think they're the only ones that know

how to run congress because right now, what has congress done for you lately? we have an open border that's drunken sailors. we have continued issues whether it comes with education, whether it comes with the debt, whether it comes with how we're going to have national security, we need people at the top of their game. we have too many issues on the table that need to be dealt with. we can't continue to have these people who think they know betterp than the american people. the american people are saying, it is time to go. if they would approve term limits the american people would show that. until then, they've got to know, look, we appreciate your service, but it's time to step away. >> you've talked about competency tests, but let's dig a little deeper on that. there are age requirements for serving in the house, 25 years old, 30 for the senate, 35 for the presidency. should there be an age limit on the presidency in your view and constitutional or legislative change? >> i think there should be

mental competency tests. i don't care if they're for everybody 50 and older, for the entire congress. these are basic tests, tell us where you were born, name four words that start with the same letter, how many grandchildren do you have? these are basic questions anyone should be able to answer, and the way you do that is when a candidate files to run for office, incumbent or newcomer, they have to give their financial disclosures. they should also give a notice from the doctor that tells about their mental capacity. i think that we need that. we can't stand watching dianne feinstein sit there and be told by an aide how she should vote. we can't worry about mitch mcconnell being frozen at a podium. we can't have joe biden forget where he is. our enemies are watching all of this, and every time they have an instance like that, america is less safe because our enemies think we're out of control and that's got to stop. >> you talked about spending. just a few weeks, there's an important spending deadline in washington, a potential government shutdown looms if

they don't come up with a spending agreement to keep the government funded. do you believe republicans should take a hard line and what exactly should they do with this looming? >> i think congress needs to do their job. you know, biden has pushed us into socialism light. he's spending on every single thing. they've forgotten the role of government. government was intended to secure the rights and freedoms of the people. it was never meant to be all things to all people. so as we go into this, i have said it that biden has spent already $5 trillion in his term. but republians have spent too. we've watched them open up earmarks for the first time in ten years. we watched the 2024 appropriations bill have $7.4 billion in earmarks. democrats have $2.8 billion in earmarks. all of them are spending like drunken sailors. it's our tax dollars they're spending. what we're saying is, i had to balance a budget when i was governor of south carolina. americans have to balance their budget at home.

why is congress the only group that refuses to balance a budget? they need to go in there and do the hard work. they need to make sure they are giving money back to the taxpayers. they need to make sure money is not being wasted. so i think they need to do their job. >> the question, though, ambassador, what is exactly should they do in terms of the negotiating position they take? for example, congresswoman marjorie taylor green of georgia said in recent days republicans should not vote to fund the government unless an impeachment inquiry begins against president biden inside of the house of representatives. is she right or is she wrong to take that position? >> she's one of many that are going to throw things on the table like that. what i'm saying is, congress needs to do their job. balance a budget. i have said i will veto any spending bill that doesn't take us back to precovid levels. the only group that talks about closing down the government or playing these games are members of congress. the american people aren't talking about that. the american people are telling

congress do your job, balance a budget, stop the spending,p stop the borrowing. eliminate the earmarks. claw back the hundreds of billions of covid dollars. go after 87,000 irs going after middle america, go after the hundreds of billions of covid fraud that exists. these political games the american people have no use for it. they want them to do their job. it's not that hard. >> over the past -- >> it's why i continue to say we have too many lawyers in congress. we need an accountant. i'm an account the. i want to start having government work for the people again. >> over the past week former president donald trump the frontrunner in the race pleaded not guilty to criminal accusations in georgia. when you were on the debate stage in milwaukee which earned you good reviews inside of the republican party you raised your hand and said you would still support him if convicted of a crime and nomtseny next year. do you stand by your decision to hold up your hand on stage and back trump should he be the nominee and be a convicted

felon? >> what you say were candidates on the stage said they would do exactly what they signed and pledged to do, which is support the republican nominee. that's what we are saying. i don't think president trump is going to be the nominee. i think it's going to be me. but i will tell you that any republican is better than what joe biden and kamala harris are doing. >> even if they're convicted of a crime? >> a vote for joe biden is a vote for kamala harris. he's innocent until proven guilty. you're implying the american people are not smart. the american people are not going to vote for a convicted criminal. the american people are going to vote for someone who can win a general election. i have faith in the american people. they know what they need to do. i think that yes, i will support the republican nominee always, and i will make sure that that person, we're going to pick someone that is going to beat a president kamala harris because we can't have a president kamala harris or we'll never get our country back. >> how you going to consolidate the nontrump vote in this

primary? we're in september months away from the early voting? >> it's not about consolidating a nontrump vote. it's consolidating where republicans want to go. i believe republicans want to stop the crazy spending, bring crime down and go back to law and order. i believe republicans want transparency in schools. i believe republicans want to secure the border. and i believe republicans want prevent war and have a strong national security. that's what we're talking about. it's not about a person. it's about a country. it's not just about republicans. it's independents. conservative democrats that know we're going in the wrong direction. >> ambassador haley, we'll see you soon on the campaign trail. we appreciate you taking the time on a sunday morning. we go to vermont senator bernie sanders joining us from burlington. we appreciate you being here. >> good morning. >> president biden is touting the latest job numbers but your speech in new hampshire painted a bleak picture of the nation's

when you met with president biden at the white house in recent days, what exactly did you tell him, senator, and did you warn him, like you've warned in new hampshire, that, quote, democrats must reject the corporate wing of the party? >> bob, what i have said publicly time and again is that president biden and his administration have made some real progress in addressing issues that have not been dealt with in decades. we finally took on the pharmaceutical industry and we're beginning to make some progress in lowering the cost of prescription drugs. a lot more has to be done. after years of talk, we finally invested in rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure, roads, bridges, water systems, manufacturing is coming back in america. so i think we're making some progress. but everybody knows for decades now, not just under biden, not just under trump, but for decades now, what we have seen in america is an economy which

the very, very wealthy are doing phenomenally well, while working families are struggling. today, bob, we don't talk about it much, we have more income in wealth inequality than we have ever had in the history of the united states. this is way before biden. but what we're seeing now is 60% of our people living paycheck to paycheck. we have a health care system which is totally broken. we pay the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. we got 18 million households where people are spending 50% of their income trying to pay the rent or pay a mortgage. we have some structural problems in america. the biden administration has made some progress. we have got a long way to go. what the democratic party has got to do is have the guts to take on corporate agreed, which is unprecedented all over the economy. people who own the large corporations are doing record-breaking profits.

we have to create an economy that works for all, not just a few. >> senator, you met with the president. you discussed these issues. you just heard from ambassador haley. she was attacking vice president harris. are democrats doing enough to support vice president harris as she faces these kind of attacks? >> well, i think the issue is, are democrats doing enough to win back a working class, which is leaving the democratic party. in my view, democrats have to say, really, do you really want to vote for a republican party which wants to cut social security? we have to expand social security. wants to cut medicare. we have to expand medicare to include dental, hearing and vision. we have a republican party out there that doesn't even recognize the reality of climate change. so i think, bob, what this campaign is going -- should be about is a contrast between the ideas that work for the working families of this country and what republicans stand for, which is more tax breaks for

billionaires and paying allegiance to the needs of corporate america, not ordinary americans. >> is the administration doing enough? i listened closely to your speech in new hampshire. the administration has taken action on marijuana, for example, but should it do more with executive power? it's taken action on prescription drug negotiations with medicare. should it do more? >> the answer is yes. bob, the answer is yes. it should. some of it can be done through executive orders. a lot can be done through legislation. what i think has got to happen, this is my own view, is i think what the president has got to say is, give me at least 50 democrats in the senate, give me control over the house of representatives and by 50 democrats, i mean real democrats, not corporate democrats like manchin and sinema. and if you do that, within two or three months, we're going to reform health care to mov it toward a system which guarantees

health care to all people, not just huge profits for the insurance companies. we're going to lower the cost of prescription drugs so we're not paying any more than the rest of the world. we're going to rebuild our economy to work for ordinary people. i think that's got to be the message. contrast a progressive agenda for working people versus a republican agenda. >> senator, i know you don't like to talk politics, but you went to new hampshire an early primary state you've done well in over the years. you support president biden 100%, made that clear. for any reason if president biden decides not to seek the democratic nomination is a run by senator sanders for the nomination on the table next year? >> bob, i think we spend too much time speculating. i think president biden is going to be the nominee of the democratic party and i think if he runs on a strong progressive agenda, he's not only going to win but win by a strong vote. i will tell you why, when you look at a republican party, it's not only you have a former

president who has been impeached twice, indicted four times, these are people who deny women a right to control their own bodies. really? is that where we are in 2023? not recognizing the reality of climate change? wanting more tax breaks for billionaires. that's what their agenda is. i think in any kind of serious campaign, president biden and the democrats will do quite well against the reactionary agenda. >> what do you say to some of your long-time supporters frustrated because they don't believe the biden administration has done enough, may not share your view of how things are gone, and thinking about cornell west or thinking about robert f. kennedy jr. what's your message as they drift towards those others? >> my message to them is that we are living in an unprecedented moment in american history. donald trump is not only a pathological liar, has not only

helped waged an insurrection, if you like, to prevent president biden from taking office, not only is denying american democracy, moving against american democracy, so i think at this moment, bob, we have got to bring the progressive community together to say you know what, we're going to fight for a progressive agenda, but we cannot have four more years of donald trump in the white house. >> do you worry about the progressive vote staying home? >> i think if the democrats come up with a strong agenda that speaks to the needs of senior citizens in this country, and that means raising social security benefits, expanding medicare, if we speak to the needs of young people, having a lot to do with student debt, if we demand that wealthiest people in this country start paying their fair share of taxes, if we come up with a progressive

agenda, i think we're going to win and win big. when we win big we have to make it clear we stand with the working class of this country against the kind of corporate greed that we see. >> senator, you are also the chairman of the senate health and labor committee. progressive voters are looking to you for action. you're investigating amazon warehouses right now. are you committed to issuing a subpoena for jeff bezos, the founder of amazon, to testify or not. >> we're going to take one step at a time. what we're working on, bob, is major reforms in primary health care. we don't have enough doctors, nurses, mental health providers, working hard on legislation to do that. we brought mr. schultz from starbucks before the committee. we are looking at amazon and take it one step at a time. no fears, you know, we may well do that. >> we appreciate you taking the time on a sunday morning. "face the nation" will be babac

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former maryland governor, republican larry hogan joined us on friday with more about what he thinks about the gop presidential field. >> look, i think there's too many people in the field. you should not be in the race -- if you don't make the debate stage, you likely should consider getting out. if you're on the debate stage and you're willing to stand up and challenge the leader, that's at 50%, unwilling to challenge donald trump, you should get off the stage. you know, ramaswamy is up there being a cheerleader and fill-in for trump. he shouldn't be running for president. he, obviously, is trying to apply for a job for trump, but if you're in there running for vice president or you're trying to be a cabinet secretary or trying to become famous or write a book or get on television, you should get the heck out of the race. we need to narrow it down to find a leader who can get the republican party back on the right track and that can get us

back to winning elections again. it's not going to happen with 11 people in the race. >> who specifically? former congressman will hurd didn't make the debate stage. should he get out? >> will is a great friend. i agree with him on so many issues, but he's not going to be president. he didn't make the debate stage. he contributes a lot to the discussion. he and i see a lot of things eye to eye, but i don't think at this point he should be in the race. i don't want to go through the list of which should get out and in the process. it's a decision they have to make. what i'm -- i'm having conversations, most of these folks are friends of mine. i'm talking with other leaders in the party who share this concern, this issue that you're getting to. i think we're going to have to continue to have those discussions and try to give people -- i'm giving private advice to many of the people running. i think other leaders are going to come together and we're going to have to figure out how can we convince people to put aside their own egos and their own goals to just make sure we do the right thing for the country

and the party. >> how do you force that conversation? it's a difficult one. i covered politics for years. most wake up and look in the mirror and see a future president. it's tough to have that conversation. >> it's tough which is why it hasn't happened yet. i'm holding out hope we'll get this figured out. my total focus at this point is trying to make sure we can get a challenger that's going to win this nomination that's not donald trump that can get us back to winning elections again and win the race in november. >> you were going to talk to your friends in the traditional republican wing of the gop, a party still dominated by trump. how would you describe the level of concern? is it quiet concern? a twiddling of the thumbs among donors and traditional republicans? there is real alarm it's september and trump is dominating? >> it's real alarm and it's becoming real. people were hopeful that we would be in a different place by now, and now they're starting to come to the realization that, hey, this is -- we might actually have donald trump as the nominee and joe biden as the

nominee, and that is something that 70% of the people in america do not want. they do not want donald trump or joe biden. they don't want a rematch. they don't think these are the two best choices. >> what about a late entry from governor brian kemp of georgia or governor glenn youngkin of virginia? it may not be possible to get on the ballot in iowa and south carolina, but could you see a late entry trying to make a play fo the convention? >> seems the opposite of what i've been saying. we have 11 in the race. six of my former gubernatorial colleagues in the race. i'm not sure if one or two more will fix the problem. i don't think it's going to happen. they're both great governors. i campaigned and helped both of them. but october 15th is the deadline and all this talk somebody is going to get in the end of the year or next year is not going to happen. six weeks away. >> we'll have more of our conversation with former governor larry hogan after a break. we'll be right back. it's easy to think that all money managers (fisher i) are pretty much the same, but at fisher investments we're clearly different. (other money manager) different how?

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