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larry hogan who is an honorary co-chair of the bipartisan group no labels which could put together a third party presidential bid. >> no labels is not an effort to try to help donald trump and to be a spoiler for joe biden. i don't think there's a soul in this organization that's trying to promote donald trump. and it's -- we don't get into the process and how and why. basically, you got to think, why are we in this situation? we're in this situation because we have two potential terribl nominees of the two major parties that 70% of people in america don't want. that's what no labels is about. a citize saying maybe we have true try something else. >> to the point you made, does that mean a republican like yu yourself in your mold should be at the top of a no labels ticket? >> we should only put together a ticket in the event it's trump and biden. again, i'm still trying to work and make sure we can get a good republican nominee and this is no longer necessary. it has to be a good ticket that

can actually win. i would only be in it to win it. nobody is trying to spoil anything. this is about actually receiving a majority of the votes. the last time we had somewhat of a successful third-party run, ross perot who dropped out and had problems and came back in and still at about 20%. he was a republican who ran as an independent. he drew from both sides, but didn't hurt the democrat. it hurt the republican. >> the ross perot experience he gets 19% of the popular vote, but it's difficult to win the white house in a system that's the electoral college. >> it's very true. you know, it's something that's never really happened. i mean, but we're at a point we've never been in america. we don't know. you know that things change, we have eight months to figure this out. we don't know where we're going to be as a country, who the potential candidates might be, but it may be the first time in our history where the american public is really hungry for something like this. >> people are frustrated with the democrats and republicans,

maybe they are looking for an alternative. the no labels, you're the honorary chairman of, have not listed their dopers. do you believe no labels now or at some point in the future is going to have to offer americans clarity about who is spending money on no labels in order to win the public's trust if they want to move forward? >> sure. it's a tax exempt grassroots citizen organization like thousands of others. they're not a political party. they don't have a candidacy they're behind. if it became a campaign, they, obviously, would have to follow all the same rules that all the rest of the campaigns do. right now there's an awful lot of attacks and criticism because they're worried this kind of citizen uprising is gaining traction and they're really concerned about the two weak nominees that they might be faced with. >> to your point there's concern, especially among allies of the white house, that a

democratic independent ticket would pull from biden. let's be real. if trump is going to end up -- looks like the nominee january or february of next year, are you, larry hogan, open to being atop a no labels ticket as a republican type candidate with no labels? >> it's not something i'm pursuing. >> i know it's not. you're not pursuing it. is it open door. >> i'm hoping we don't get to the door. i have not closed doors to that. if i believe we can win the race we have a strong ticket that those two major candidate, we split to pull off something that's never been done which is sort of what i did in maryland. >> do you believe there's going to be a no labels ticket or not next year? >> i think there's a good likelihood there could be. i don't know the odds, and, you know, there's a lot of things that have to happen. again, i'm still hopeful that -- i'm not sure sitting here today donald trump and joe biden are the two nominees or whether this lifts off the ground. if that's the case i do believe

that this group has a chance to get access to the ballot in all 50 states and if they put together, you know, a really great ticket and ran a perfect campaign, that they would actually have a shot to beat not just a spoiler, but to be in it to win it. >> former governor larry hogan of maryland, we appreciate you coming by "face the nation" and we'll be right back. don't knowt responders... ...who only gigive 90%. or fararmers, the e works who bubuild our totowns, roroads, infrarastructure.. they d don't t stop at hahal. anand good lucuck findingg a a small busisiness ownerr who'o's happppy with a an 80% effofort. [f-150 engngine roarining] that's why ththey use foford trucks.s. foford f-serieies, 100% assesembled in a america. because we're all in on america.

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lower drug costs, record economic growth, 13 million jobs created, manufacturing is roaring back. i mean i agree with the senator. we've made a lot of progress under this current president that supported working americans, but there's still more to be done. no question about that. but what i do appreciate is, he's acknowledged the president's great work and how he's done it together with republicans as well to move a lot of these big bills and big landmark legislation forward. >> terry, you managed senator marco rubio's 2016 presidential campaign you know what it means to run against former president trump. it wasn't easy for senator rubio and your campaign. every republican struggled. when you watch ambassador haley and florida governor ron desantis in recent weeks, what do you see in the republican place there is an opportunity for haley to get traction or are they stuck in the single digits? >> i have experience losing to donald trump and i know what it's like. at the moment, this is what we're watching all of these

candidates do. unfortunately they've got to engage trump. hope is not a strategy. last time there was a lot -- in 2016 there was a lot of hope you could be the last one. there's no way trump can get over 50. all these things. and i think with haley and a lot, they have to be able to go after the guy in first place. he's the detack affordable care act -- de facto incumbent. if you don't take him on he will skate to victory. >>mpeachment, we talked about it with ambassador haley. representative taylor greene of georgia is talking about moving forward with impeachment of president biden. inside the white house you've worked with president biden and vice president harris. are they preparing for a fall impeachment season? >> more importantly, i ran the impeachment war room for speaker pelosi, the first, and i will tell you the greatest difference is, there's no evidence here. there was actually evidence when we moved to impeach donald trump. he gave us the evidence, the recording of his phone call with

zelenskyy asking for dirt on joe biden. that's really -- i mean we have to take a step back and really approach impeachment with a level of sobriety and seriousness -- >> around the democrats as they come for biden? >> my recommendation to the president would be to treat it as a side show that it is at this point. they've had five years to drudge up evidence on hunter biden and all they found is a gun charge and tax evasion, with no relationship to president biden. so the point is, i mean, i wouldn't get overly exercised or excited about an impeachment inquiry that's baseless and has no evidence and no foundation. but here's -- can i say one more thing? the problem that we have is this politics of retribution. right. the american people don't want it. you know, this would be the greatest -- if they move forward with an impeachment inquiry, the greatest devastation not just to their majority but speakership

in 2024. >> how do house republicans see it? you've worked for congressional republicans for a long time. is speaker mccarthy and others going to go with this push to impeach biden and how do he the see it? >> i think he's -- the speaker is sober enough to realize this is not a great long-term political play, but he has to appease the base within his caucus and that's an issue here. we've seen it on both sides. these impeachments don't help dating back to clinton. they do not help the party that is doing the impeaching. historically speaking, the beneficiary is the president who is getting impeached. i would caution republicans going after biden seems like a really poor decision politically. >> and we talked at the beginning of the program about senator mitch mcconnell. he's facing questions about his health. his doctor says he's fine to serve. inside the white house, how are they handling the age question when it comes to president biden? >> with a lot of humor. they've handled this issue quite a bit. it's not a new issue to them.

they're clear about the issue. but, you know, i've worked for two of my bosses both speaker pelosi and biden, are 80 years old and i've seen -- i've watched firsthand how speaker pelosi handled donald trump masterfully and i've seen joe biden up close and again, you're talking about an unprecedented record of bipartisan legislation, big things for the american people, that he's gotten done. for me, age is nothing but a number and it's very personal. what you're seeing with mcconnell is a serious issue. i believe his staff is really doing him a disservice. they need to figure out what's going on. it's serious in a way it's not as serious with biden nor with pelosi and others. >> terry, you've worked for some conservative senators like the former senator from south carolina jim demint. you know that conservative senate world. are they going to see this as an opening? those like senator rick scott are being hands off, but are they going to try to nudge mcconnell out?

>> no is the short answer. we've had very old united states senators since the first united states senators. this is nothing new. it's not even really an age issue if the argument is -- look at fetterman. so you've got it on both sides of the aisle. they're not inclined to push out one of their own on either side clearly. >> when you look at the elections we're talking about 2024, but i'm paying attention to 2023. you're going to have legislative elections in virginia, glenn youngkin the republicans out there talking about them a lot, elections in kentucky and mississippi this fall. what are you paying attention to? they're often a good read on what's going to happen the next year? >> i'm paying attention to the issues that voters are -- driving voter it turnout. that's important to me. is it abortion? is it democracy? the frugality of american democracy? is it the economy? what's going to turn out voters? specifically these independent

voters that will make the difference. >> what do you think is going to get them out this fall? >> i think it's going to be abortion and i think it's going to be democracy. those two issues. >> same issues from 2022. >> that's what the president and his campaign are banking on. they're going to make those central to his argument. one we know for a fact, 70% of independents don't want -- they don't want a candidate who is anti-abortion and when it comes to democracy, half the country believes that donald trump is guilty of having cheated the election. so those are going to be two issues they're going to keep central to the argument because it drives democratic base, but it also drives independent moderate republican voters and they will make the difference all these elections. >> ashley's point about democracy brings up the question of former president trump facing four criminal investigations and indictments. how is that going to affect not just the republican race -- and we've talked about that a ton -- how could it affect the general election next year? >> who knows. i mean, let's be honest.

nothing that -- about donald trump's campaigns have ever been conventional or easy to predict. so i do think that we're in an unknown territory here. just as, you know, oddly enough half of america thought being indicted would tank his campaign, the other half thought that it was going to be a rallying cry, it turns out it's the latter at the moment. since he's been dintsed for the first time in new york his polling numbers have gone up. >> you get a bump but you have to sustain the numbers. we're political people. it's about sustaining the numbers. >> we could keep this going all morning. we might do that. for now we'll be back in a moment.

president biden said last week there were positive signs in the august jobs report as wages outpaced inflation. the number of jobs added to the economy exceeded expectations. on friday we spoke with commerce secretary gina raimondo, who just returned from her visit to china and began by asking her why cbs news polling shows the administration's economic efforts are not resonating with some americans. >> i think the reality is that

inflation still exists and it's something people see on a daily basis when they go to the grocery store or pay their rent or pay their mortgage. we have to know that. you know, that's still a challenge for folks. that being said, if you look at where we are today, compared to when the president took office, it's an unbelievable story of progress. the economy -- we're among the strongest economies in the world. we all went through covid, right. europe did, china did, asia did. yet we have emerged the fastest and the strongest. so i don't want to minimize what americans are feeling and that's why we get up and go to work every day, but this economy by any measure is doing incredibly well and much better than anyone could have predicted i think three years ago when we started. >> the white house is working with congress to hammer out an agreement on a short-term funding measure to avoid an october 1st partial federal government shutdown.

when you talk to business leaders right now, are they worried about this deadline and what a shutdown could mean for the u.s. economy? >> yes. they are worried. they are very worried. they are, i think, in some cases frustrated that this is how government operates. you know, what businesses need to be successful is predictability, you know, predictability, some semblance of, you know, regular order, and so these sorts of disruptions that are mainly driven by politics, it's a challenge for the economy and have the potential to set us back, so i do hope that there will be a speedy resolution. >> secretary, you are the first commerce secretary in five years to be on the ground in china in recent days. what progress, if any, do you think you made on the ground there? >> i think we made a great deal of progress. in terms of concrete deliverables, i was able to open

three specific lines of communication with the chinese, which is a huge step forward. we haven't really had any contact in more than five years, so we agreed to share information about export controls, we agreed to open a dialog on commercial issues, which is so important because china has not treated u.s. business fairly, and so we have to put those issues on the table, and we agreed to have exchange around trade secrets another area where businesses deserve to know their trade secrets will be protected in china. >> you said on the trip, quote, increasingly i hear from american business china is uninvestable because it becomes too risky. what exactly did you get in terms of those assurances from the chinese that would really give confidence to american business leaders? >> they said that they would talk to american businesses and begin to address these issues. like, for example, one of the complaints i hear frequently

from u.s. business -- by the way, business who are used to doing business in difficult parts of the world -- they say that, you know, china's regulations are not at all transparent. they'll raid a business in march and not explain what went on for many months. they will arrest folks, but not provide due process or tell you what happened. when i expressed these concerns, i was heard. i wasn't given any promises. but one thing that i think we can take a bit of heart in is, it's in china's interests, it's in their economic interests, to have foreign direct investment and make sure, you know, they had a very good economy when they were market oriented and reform minded. >> do you trust the chinese at this point, after all of your conversations, after digesting what happened on your trip? do you trust them? >> trust is probably not the

word i would use. we need to see action. and until we see action, there can be no trust. >> they hacked into your own e-mail account, so that might have hurt the ability to have a trustworthy relationship? >> exactly. and i said that. you know, hacking my account erodes trust. undermining american workers by over subsidizing certain industries erodes trust. treating american businesses unfairly on the ground erodes trust. >> when you were over there, did you get insights, if any, about whether the chinese economy is slowing down and how concerning would that be for the united states? >> i think there's no question that it is slowing down, and certainly they're having real, real significant challenges in the real estate sector, which they readily acknowledged when i was there. but again, the -- to my mind the facts are quite clear in this regard, when china was more market oriented, open, you know,

a little bit more transparent, their economy did very well. more recently, as they have closed down and become more arbitrarily in the way they administer regulations, the economy is quite challenged. so time will tell. >> i'm often out on the campaign trail and i know you stay out of politics, but one thing i'm hearing from so many republicans across the country, especially governors, they want to block chinese companies from making investments and buying farmland in the united states. does the biden administration and do you support chinese companies making investments and buying farmland in the united states? >> we have to be very, very careful. we have to screen every investment and make a decision as to whether it hurts our national security or not. not every investment from china into america is -- harms our

national security, but many do. and so it's a case-by-case basis, looking into the facts and being as tough as we need to be, but also being, you know, realistic and not hyperbolic, just being -- like you say, practical. it's time it to be practical, pragmatic and serious about managing every aspect of this relationship. >> secretary raimondo, we appreciate you taking the time. thank you. >> thank you. have a great labor day weekend. >> you can watch the full interview on our website, face the nation.com. we'll be right back. when you need some of the brightest minds in medicine. this is a leading healthcare system with five nationally ranked hospitals, including two world-renowned academic medical centers. in boston, where biotech innovates daily and our doctors teach at harvard medical school and the physicians doing the world-changing research

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three-year pandemic erased decades of incremental gains in public school and widened gaps between top and bottom performers. >> i hope that results like these are that wake-up call, right. my kids, our kids in school. >> reporter: harvard professor andrew is talking about widespread learning losses. in one study, today's third through eighth graders need roughly four months more instruction in math and reading to catch up to prepandemic students. >> the declines that we saw because of the pandemic won't just automatically undue themselves. >> reporter: another post pandemic issue, a doubling of chronic absenteeism in some states. after years of remote learning, millions of parents and kids see little point in going to school. of partiticular concerern. >> how to make sure that extra inequality the pandemic caused doesn't become permanent. >> reporter: for many schools

it's shaping up as a daunting exercise in catching up. pressure on teachers, pressure on schools, because there's no way kids can learn if there's no one to teach them. >> we are starting the school year with classrooms that do not have assigned teachers. it is a very real crisis. >> you can post a job and no one will apply. >> reporter: in 2021, the biden administration gave school districts another $122 billion. 20% of that was earmarked for helping students recover academically. among the spending, in-person and online tutoring. but experts say real gains will only come by working harder, faster, longer. >> the challenge right now is how to make that more appealing and to give the public a sense of urgency that we don't seem to currently have. >> that was mark strassmann reporting. that's it for us today. thanks for watching. for "face the nation," i'm robert costa.

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