welcome back to "face the nation." we are joined now by the republican chairman of the house intelligence committee, mike turner. good to have you here. >> good morning. thanks for having me. >> a lot to get to with you, but i want to start on what's happening within the next eight days we may be facing a government shutdown. back in june it took democratic votes to push through that debt ceiling deal. the speaker announced an

impeachment inquiry. isn't this going to make it harder to work across the aisle and do something like avoid a government shutdown? >> not really. there are a number of things, obviously, where there are bipartisan consensus, one of which as you indicated was the budget debt deal. kevin led in that. the american public wanted a change from the biden policies of spending, working on closing the border, addressing the issues of china, and he delivered. you know, the american public have given the house with a small margin of republicans in control the senate, democrats in control, small margin and expect bipartisan solutions. kevin has led in delivering those. this is one where everyone wants the government to be functioning and adhere to the feel you have eight days. >> yes. >> what do we do here? is this a continuing resolution situation? because it doesn't seem like house republicans are on the same page? >> well, you know, as you said, it's probably going to result in the end in a bipartisan solution. the -- we're going to pass a spending bill. that's what's required and we're

going to do it. >> it will require a democrat. you don't think the impeachment inquiry will cost you? >> well, again, there are things that are important to the country and that for which people come together. i think this is one of those, that the country came together on the debt budget deal and at that time investigations were already ongoing into the biden family businesses and i think that's something that's expected that will continue. >> one of the issues for some members of your caucus is the continued support for ukraine and we know that president zelenskyy is going to be here this week. can you meet with him and tell him he's going to get the $13 billion that white house is asking for? can you get your caucus to support it? >> the house and certainly the republican caucus overwhelmingly supports aid for ukraine. there will be issues over what administration has asked for and what congress ultimately gives. speaker mccarthy has made it clear that white house should have come to us and worked on what the package was and not just sent it to capitol hill for

dispensation. but at the same time, zelenskyy is a great spokesperson. he really makes the case better than anyone that this is a fight for democracy and that putin's goals are well beyond ukraine into eastern europe and into the baltics. having him here is going to be very, very persuasive. the last time we had votes on the house floor on the issue of aid for ukraine nearly 300 members voted in affirmative out of 435. a majority of the republicans voted in the affirmative and i think that will continue. >> this is not going to complicate the vote to keep the government open and funded. >> again this is another essential item that we have to do. >> right. >> this was not included in the budget. >> right. >> the debt limit deal with an understanding, though, because everyone knew, this is on your tv sets every day. >> yeah. >> everyone knows this is ongoing and going to require u.s. support. you know, zelenskyy has higher approval rating in the united states than any nationally elected official. him coming here will be very

persuasive. >> even to the conservative members of your caucus. >> i think we're going to be back there again. >> do i hear you saying no government shutdown? >> i didn't say that. i said we're going to pass a spending bill. we'll have to see when >> so -- okay. >> stay tuned. >> the white house is going to announce additional capabilities. they've said that. do they get the long-range missiles to ukraine that they're asking for, the attack ms. >> i hope they do. the administration has consistently said no multiple times publicly and ultimately recanted and provided them. what we know from this, you know, era of the conflict, ukraine is still on the offensive which was the goal of the offensive. russia is on the defensive. there are a number of impediments making it difficult for that offensive to push russia out. at the same time ukraine has to get additional ground or longer range weapons to put crimea at

risk which is where some of the assaults are coming from that are killing ukrainians. >> yeah. >> it's important that we provide them this capability. >> your committee was briefed by the white house within the past week about this expected prisoner swap with iran. their diplomatic mission shared the list they expect president biden to pardon. are you comfortable with this swap? >> i mean, when we received our briefing at the committee, obviously, we made known our concerns. i mean, whenever you put a price on american heads you get an incentive for people to take more hostages. >> releasing the $6 billion in frozen oil revenue. >> billions of dollars and so that's a concern. the administration says we're really only giving them their own money, but it's money they didn't have. the other aspect is that these moneys can be used to support terrorist organization, hezbollah and hamas, and, you know, actions of iran. the administration says this is limited to humanitarian aid but also acknowledge that funds are

fungible. they can move them around and aid them in doing other things. people are very concerned as to what this is as a pattern. the administration's answer is people shouldn't go to iran. i certainly want to echo that. people should not be going to iran. >> you're not moving on a ban, a travel ban, though? >> not at this time but people in seeing this should know that they're at risk and they shouldn't go to iran. >> i want to ask you, because you've made clear in the past you've been disappointed by the level to which the intelligence community has shared with you the assessment of the classified documents investigations into the current and former president. do you have any updates on that? are you any more satisfied now? >> they've shown us probably an equal amount of biden classified documents and trump classified documents and what you can see from looking at those, is both have egregious items. none of these documents should have been out of a controlled environment. both the biden documents and trump documents. we don't know the status of the biden special counsel, although as you know the trump matter is

moving in court. it's cur krus we don't know what's going on in the biden matter. they have limited the documents we have seen to suggest those are not subject to executive privilege or the types of documents we would see. we want to see them all. they're documents listed in the trump court pleadings that are described in dhothe deal that w have not seen and we're asking to provide them to congress. >> no way to determine they're on equal footing in terms of the classification of documents? ? >> from the ones i've seen their equal. the biden documents and trump documents have equal concern and threat and equal classification. >> i have so much more to ask you about but i have to leave it there right now to go to o the cocommercial b break. thank yoyou. wewe'll be rigight back.

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republican colleague left off. are the trump and biden classified documents that were in their personal possession and not in their controlled areas equally egregious? >> one, the administration took too long to get us thee documents. two, mike and i have a great working relationship. i believe based on the documents i've seen that there is a difference in terms of potential abuse that came from the trump documents. third, it's one of the reasons i have bipartisan legislation that would reform the whole classification process. we way over classify. we frankly should have a process in place so that no president or vice president ever takes documents after they leave office. that is kind of the lowest common fruit. we ought to get that passed. we have part of that in the bill and hope it becomes law of the land to prevent this from happening. >> you've said based on documents you've seen. you want to see more documents? >> i'm about 98% satisfaction at

this point. >> 98% satisfaction. there's a lot more on the national security front that we're tracking right now including this potential prisoner swap with iran to bring five americans home. are you comfortable with the trade? >> i've not gotten the brief, the senate intel committee has not gotten the brief. we'll get it shortly. >> wasn't the staffed briefed? >> i have not been personally briefed. we need to start with the premise always the policy of our country to try to bring back americans held hostage. that was not only under biden, it was trump, it was obama, bush. i want to hear what kind of constraints are being put on in this exchange in terms of what has been reported of the $6 billion that was south korean payments to iran that would be released. i want to hear that and get those details before i weigh in further. >> you have concern the money is fungible. >> money is fungible. the administration has said there are guardrails. i want to get a better description of those guardrails

first. >> you have been very active on artificial intelligence, and we talked about this back in january. microsoft just announced a few days ago that china has a new capability to automatically generate images for use in influence operations to mimic american voters across the political spectrum and create controversy along racial, economic and ideological lines. how much of a risk is this to our upcoming elections? >> it's an enormous risk. artificial intelligence, i've spent as much time on this i think as any member of the senate and i never spent something where the more time i spent in certain ways the more confused i get. the whole economics around the large language models which used to be who had the most data and compute power would win. that changed after facebook released its so-called llama model into the wild in the spring. we had a major session the who's who in the room and what i'm

concerned about is even the a.i. leaders who say they want rules, guardrails, i'm concerned that when you actually put words on paper will those major tech companies support that? because you've seen, we in social media have done zero. in terms of china, china is a major player in a.i. and where i think we ought to start where a.i. tools, whether it comes from china or domestically, could have the most immediate effect the public faith in our elections which microsoft just -- hear me out on this. the other area beyond elections, is faith in our public markets. these same tools could completely disrupt the confidence in our public markets by using the same deep fake tools. i believe we ought to start, if we can put together an alliance between the capitalists and small d democrats we might get guardrails coming in the next year with the elections and concerns about our markets. >> you're concerned about not just spooking the stock market.

we're talking about misleading people going into an election. congress isn't going to legislate ahead of the election. said this is the most difficult thing we've undertaken. >> the notion of trying to solve it all, the bias questions, whole questions around deep fakes, questions around hallucination, you get answers that have no relationship to what the question was asked, but we ought to start with some guardrails around trust in our public election, trust in our public markets. there, i think we can move before our elections. i think it will be bipartisan. let's start on that framing point. i think we can all agree there could be huge disruption in both of those areas and that's where i'm focusing my time. >> you may have heard our cbs polling at the top of the program and one of the data points i want to show you here says when people compare their finances now to how they were before the pandemic, by two to one they say they're worse, not better. and when they feel worse, they tell us they're voting for

donald trump. how can president biden win over those voters? >> i think we've seen from president biden's actual record record amounts of job growth coming after covid. we've seen major legislation that is now law in infrastructure and so-called chips bill and transition in our energy economy, and most of that has only been about 10 cents on every dollar spent out. the positive effects of that will continue to -- >> do people of virginia feel that that you talk to? >> i think there is a general feeling, oh, my gosh, everybody seems to be at each other's throats here in washington, we have the notion that we're going to potentially go into a government shutdown. mike turner and i work closely together. i wish the house leadership will be spending a little more time on what would happen with a government shutdown, which makes us look bad around the world, and frankly, in a state like mine in virginia where we have so many government workers an contractors, it will be a disaster, and yet the attention coming out of the house

leadership is on impeachment and putting forward things they know will not ever pass the senate in any kind of bipartisan fashion and i think that is part of the underlying unease that voters feel. >> you believe we are headed for a government shutdown? >> i would like to say no, but we're eight or nine days away and we've not even been able to see the house pass the most basic defense appropriations bills. i hope and pray that speaker mccarthy will say hey, i'm going to throw over the far right, and i'm going to put together a bipartisan effort with the democrats and mainstream republicans to keep the government funded. i think that would get, again, 350, 400 votes. >> senator, good to have you here in person. wewe'll be bacack in a momoment.

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actor and director sean penn is the codirector of a documentary called "superpower." it's about president zelenskyy and the war in ukraine. zelenskyy agreed to meet with penn in person for the first time on camera on the same day russia launched its full-scale invasion of ukraine.

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incident. was your personal connection to him and his -- the case he made to you part of why you are pushing this point of f-16s so strongly. . >> i i was pushihing it whehen withth juice andnd alivive. he dreamamt of f flying f-1-16s. he was a m man born into a time where he had to do this extreme thing and is it it with poise, and skill and focus, and compassion, and so he had come to washington to lobby for the f-16s and also was buying helmets for his helicopter pilot friends on ebay to bring back. so it was like that. then i suppose now, was it july, that it was announced that there would now be an f-16 program. those resources -- >> eventually. >> over a long period of time. and what a couple weeks later, i got the message that he had been

killed. i think not only would juice be alive today if we had been as bold as we like to claim to be, historically as a country with our principles, with our republicans and our democrats, with our leadership, the citizenry too, while we're putting all those ukrainian flags out, we should have been as -- demand decisiveness in this case because at some point, caution becomes cowardice. there's still an opportunity for us to do the right thing. >> 58% of americans polled by cbs disapprove of the way joe biden is handling the situation with russia and ukraine. i'm getting the sense from you, you're disappointed too. >> yeah. i respect president biden very much. there have been a couple things that i think have been disasters up to this point. there's -- there should be an implicit understanding between

private citizens and leaders in government that there are things that i don't know about things that should be, need to remain classified. >> right. >> so every day, even when i was with juice, i was privately thinking, yes, it's our job to fight this fight, but privately, i was thinking, like, maybe they're doing it behind closed doors and tomorrow we're going to wake up to that squadron. enough time has passed i think it's been today the tragic mistake and i hope and encourage this president that he deserves the legacy of doing this properly. >> polling also shows big majority of americans continue to support economic sanctions on russia. 61% of republicans say the u.s. should not send weapons to ukraine. 50% say the u.s. should not send aid and supplies to ukraine. that is a big shift from where the republican party was in terms of -- in the past being

very strong on russia. some of it in terms of the rhetoric reflects this sense that america needs to fix itself at home. how do you respond to that thinking? >> i think there's more than a compelling argument that would change those minds -- and i understand why they're confused. i mean i'm hoping in a way that this film can help context. i would be confussed if i hadn't had the opportunity to do this. >> better communication of the why and justification of the billions of dollars -- >> yeah. if the current leadership would just do one thing now, it would be the president saying to his cabinet, we are not spinning the story on ukraine anymore. so if it's about what are they capable of, we're going to let our commanders in fresno at the cal national guard doing joint military exercises with them for 30 years tell us what their

capability is and say it unfiltered to the american people. >> you end the documentary talking about the feeling of unity you had when in ukraine and compare it to what you see here at home and you end on the images of alexandria ocasio-cortez, the congresswoman, and marjorie taylor greene of georgia and say we're going backwards. why do you think they symbolize that? >> i think that we've come to a point where we as the voters, we as the citizens, have to look at our politicians and say look, you're very smart, we agreed with your policy. why would you want to call it socialist? why would you want to put up a middle finger to people who have a reaction to that? you're a leader. just get the policy across. i'm not interested in these

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that's it for us today. thank you for watching. tune in to "60 minutes" tonight for its season premier for an interview with ukraine's president zelenskyy right after football. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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