. i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation" -- with days to go before a government shutdown, congress is paralyzed by infighting. >> the arsonist that lit the house on fire, they're whining about their house burning. >> fiery words from top republicans who worked through the weekend to find a way forward on funding the government before month's end. >> will you work with democrats? >>i believe we have a majority here and we can work together to solve this. >> be can republicans unify and strike a deal that also works for the democratic-controlled

senate. we'll have the latest on negotiations. then -- >> our immigration system is absolutely broken and congress needs to fix it. >> america's southern border is under strain once again with migrant crossings on track to hit record highs. we'll ask texas republican tony gonzales what he is seeing in his district and whether the issue could complicate spending negotiations on capitol hill. plus -- >> no justice, no peace. >> the labor protests targeting america's big three automakers expands as workers in 23 locations go on strike. we'll hear from democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez who is headed to missouri later today to join a picket line. arizona democratic senator mark kelly just got back from a trip to ukraine. we'll ask him what he learned. former trump national security adviser robert o'brien

will join us. a conversation with the first lady of ukraine olena zelenska. about the horrors of war and the hard work of healing. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ welcome to "face the nation." it's setting up to be another consequential week in washington with just a few days to go before a possible government shutdown unless congress strikes an 11th hour deal to fund it. we'll get to that in a moment, but we begin with new york democratic congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez on the expanding autoworkers strike. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> this strike now in 20 states. i know you are headed to m missouri to strike outside a gm facility. the president goes to michigan tuesday. he only announced that after

donald trump said he was going to uaw strike. do you think injecting this high-level of presidential politics complicates getting a settlement? >> well, i think right now, we are in such a crisis in our economy, a crisis of inequality, that it is going to take a level of political and popular support, unlike that we've seen in a strike situation like this in recent and modern history, in order for us to get a breakthrough. what we've seen at the big three are ceos giving themselves as much as a 40% wage and compensation increase, while workers have actually seen a real wage decrease over the last 10 to 15 years, and in order for us to break that norm, i think it's going to take an unprecedented level of involvement to make sure that workers get what they deserve here. >> uaw's president when he was with us last week said, when i asked him white union hadn't yet

endorsed president biden, he says that has to be earned. that sounds like he's disappointed party leadership is not doing as much as they could. do you agree with that? >> it always has to be earned, and president biden showing up to the picket line on tuesday is a historic, historic event. we have never seen in modern history a president show up to a picket line like this and i think it should be earned, it needs to be earned and i believe president biden is working towards that, especially when he lands in michigan on tuesday to earn that. >> one of the things that's happening in the auto industry, as you know, is this market shift and transition to electric vehicles. you were quoted in july saying you look forward to buying a union made electric vehicle, but you currently have a non-union made tesla. uaw already makes some electric

vehicles. why wasn't that? is it a problem with the quality? is it a problem with the style? is the market not there? >> no. our car was purchased during the pandemic when travel -- before a vaccine had come out, so travel between new york and washington, the safest way we determined was an ev but that was prior to some of the new models coming out on the market that had the range available, but we're actually looking into trading our in our car now. hopefully we will soon. >> elon musk, who has majority share in tesla, has said a lot of things against the unions, and a lot of these electric vehicle battery manufacturing plants as well are not unionized. there's tension here. >> yes. yeah. and it's something that i have been speaking with president fain about because one thing that we're all on the same page about we do not want the tansition from a fossil fuel

economy to an electric economy to represent an erosion in the unionization and rights of workers. >> you're quoted in "the new york times" in august saying immigration is arguably this administration's weakest issue. what did you mean? >> well, you know, i think the politics around immigration in the united states is, to no surprise to many people, one of the most contentious issues. we saw this dramatically inflamed under president trump but it remains to be a very controversial and contentious issue, and that makes, i believe, that makes enacting some of the policy changes necessary much more complicated and difficult. this week, after perhaps almost a year of pushing from both the congressional hispanic caucus, to the new york delegation in congress, we pushed to make sure that the biden administration extended temporary protective status, known as tps, for venezuelans which will allow and open the pathway for venezuelan

migrants to begin working and supporting themselves which will reduce the strain on our public systems, the new york shelter system and more. >> 500,000 venezuelans only if they came here before july? >> yes. >> does congress need to do something like the higher act that one of our guest tony gonzales has put forward or others to put that into law, not just a one off? >> i definitely think that we need to have comprehensive immigration reform so that we aren't constantly doing this patchwork policy extensions that has not happened for decades. but additionally, i think we also need to examine the root of this problem because if we are constantly engaging in foreign policy that drives people to our southern border, in this specific instance, u.s. sanctions that were originally authored by marco rubio began and precipitated, took a large part in the driving of populations to our southern border, shortly after those sanctions, those broad-based

sanctions -- >> venezuela? >> yes. shortly after the broad-based sanctions were enacted we started seeing dramatic populations coming to our southern border. we have to address the root of these population movements and the migration crisis and we also have to address the domestic u.s. policy issues when it comes to immigration reform. >> you know the moder ro government has also been responsible for a large parts of that. >> absolutely. >> you want the biden administration to pull back pressure on him? >> we need to reexamine the nature of these sanctions. there are sanctions that are very specific, for example, the magnitsky act sanctionses that do actually focus on the decision makers and people who may be violating norms, practices, civil rights, but broad-based sanctions that punish the overall economy and harm everyday working people that are driving them into the economic and political desty stugs that force millions of

people, both not just to the united states but to our regional partners. >> senator bob menendez of new jersey, as you know, has been indicted on bribery charges. should he resign? what do you think of his statement that it has to do with him being a latino? >> you know, i think it's -- the situation is quite unfortunate, but i do believe that it is in the best interest for senator menendez to resign in this moment. as you mentioned, consistency matters. shouldn't matter whether it's a republican or a democrat. the details in this indictment are extremely serious. they involve the nature of not just his, but all of our seats in congress, and while, you know, as a latina, there are absolutely ways in which there is systemic bias, but i think what is here in this indictment is clear and i believe it is in the best interest to maintain the integrity of the seat. i want to emphasize that all

people are -- they must be extended the presumption of innocence until proven guilty. >> some republican members like matt gaetz have threatened to try to oust speaker mccarthy through a motion to vacate. would you vote with him as a democrat to get to 218 to oust speaker snkts. >> i mccarthy? >> i mean, i think we would have to cross that bridge when he get to it. speaker mccarthy has been weak. i think he has also engaged in just absolutely terrible decision making for the american people from continuing to try to cement denying the right to an abortion among women to the denial of -- to policy that denies the reality of climate change, to basic fiscal irresponsibility and recklessness. we are at the brink of a shutdown right now, and so absolutely, i think there is

grounds. however, we are also in the midst of an extremely chaotic republican party and we do not want chaos to rein in washington either. >> congresswoman, thank you for your time. >> thank you. thank you so much. we turn now to texas republican congressman tony gonzales who joins us from san antonio this morning. congressman, a lot to get to with you, but i want to start on the question of what we should brace for in the coming days in regard to a shutdown. you had said you opposed a short-term deal, a continuing resolution, to keep the government funded in the near term. speaker mccarthy has floated a 45-day short-term deal with border provisions added into it. a are you still a hard no? >> i think, good morning, margaret, thank you for having me. they just kick the can down the road. we have to lock ourselves in the room and solve the problem. the way you do that is by

passing house conservative appropriation bills and working with the senate. this is -- i called it a month ago and i said we're on a path to a shutdown because speaker mccarthy wants that and president biden wants that. everyone feels this is a political problem they can blame one another. who is going to get hurt the most is the american public. we have to come together and pass appropriation bills. that's where i'm at. >> but in order to pass those 11 bills, only one of the 12 has been passed, you need time and you have top send it to the senate and they reconcile it and you send it to the president. you don't have that time most likely. so without signing on to a short-term patch are you basically saying you want to see a shutdown? >> i don't want to see a shutdown, but in my experience, if you give congress more time, they're just going to take that time. it doesn't -- time does not equal solutions. the exact opposite. if there is a hard cliff, then they are forced to come together

and that's what i think we need. we need to have a hard line that forces everyone to get in the room and pass these bills. i don't want to see a shutdown, but there is no doubt in my mind that country is headed for a shutdown and everyone should prepare as such. >> do you have confidence in speaker mccarthy's ability to lead? >> i wouldn't bet on kevin mccarthy, but i also wouldn't bet against him. i'm in a district where i'm trying to keep my head above water. this border crisis is very real. it's -- margaret, it's similar to when a school shooting hits your town and sadly too many americans know what that's likes. or a hurricane. this border crisis is as if a category 4 hurricane has hit. i don't have the time to pontificate on political futures for other people. we're just trying to keep our head above water here in texas. >> well, if there is a shutdown r the border patrol agents in your district prepared to show up to work at a time of migrant spike and not get paid?

>> you know, that's the ugly part of a shutdown is you're going to have real people get hurt, but right now, border patrol agents are showing up to operate and processing centers. they're not out in the field. they're not really doing their jobs. they haven't been doing their jobs. >> what do you mean? >> many agents told me, tony -- right now, give you an example in el paso, the facility, 200 border patrol agents are in that softsided facility taking care of migrants. meaning they're not out in the field protecting america from bad ok tors. in many cases they might as well already be shut down. >> who is preventing that? >> the failed biden administration. when we talk about the border crisis we know what the problem ifz. the problem is joe biden's failed immigration policies. we see the images and hear the stories, but we never hear solutions. let's talk some solutions. one, i think the house should immediately take up the homeland

appropriations bill. republicans can't just be the party of rhetoric. we have to be the party of solutions. and there's some solutions in this bill. one of those, as i've been pushing hard and many of my colleagues, to end catch and release. i have an amendment in that homeland bill that ends catch and release. another one is once again, the border patrol agents are out of the game. the folks doing the real work are the sheriffs and deputies and a program called stone garden and there's a $10 million rate for that. this helps with manpower and equipment to fight the border crisis. the third piece which is the most important is repatriation flights. when i met with secretary mayorkas this week that's what i asked for, repatriation flights, meaning if somebody does not qualify for asylum, you don't bus them to new york. you don't send them to l.a. you don't let them go other places. you send them back to their country of origin. if we do that, that is how the crisis ends short term and then long term there needs to be some movement on immigration reform

in congress >> but you can't do that with venezuelans. part of the problem here. president mayorkas took the president of honduras to yesterday. they sent military workers to work in offices, granted half a million venezuelans work permits potentially. do you support any of that? >> in my eyes that's going the wrong way. 800 troops to the border solves nothing. they might as well be human cones if you don't allow them to interact with migrants. you need to send immigration judges to the border and get the cases heard in days, not years, and if they do not qualify, once again, send them back. their a granting work visas to the venezuelans, 500,000, it only makes immigration reform more difficult in congress because essentially what you've done is encouraged those that have come over illegally, these people have come illegally into our country, giving them access to work. it undermines everything that

we're doing in congress to try to come together. the real solution is finding venezuela working with venezuela and other countries, to take back some of their people. i love to see secretary blinken, i'm going to meet with him next week, see secretary blinken spend more time in the hemisphere solving these issues with our foreign allies and partners. >> speaker mccarthy said there are going to be some border related provisions in this potential continuing resolution. you just laid out a whole bunch of things you want. if those are put on the table, would you change your mind on a short-term deal? >> you know, margaret, there's a difference between fantasy and reality. and i live in reality. my district is hit with the realities of this border crisis. i am not looking for a messaging bill that says all the right things and accomplishing nothing. once again, why i sit down with secretary mayorkas this week and said what are really tangible

things we can accomplish today. in my eyes a continuing resolution that just has fake things doesn't get us any closer. what we need to do is draw a hard line in the sand and pass appropriation bills and move that over to the senate and work with the senate to get this ultimately signed by the president. >> all right. congressman, thank you very much. and the time clock is ticking on that. "face the nation" will be back in one minute. stay with us. tic kenny. and, hi, i'm amanda. my scoototer broke d down. i i went into o a depressisi. (how do yoyou feel about t that?) pretty s sad. i poposted it toto show that kennyny's nonot always h. within 24 hours people had donated over $5,000. no, you're kidding. (we set up the patriotic kenny foundation) (to give mobobility scooteters to veteterans.) it h has changeded my lilie tremendoususly. (none e of this wowould'vee hahappened witithout tiktok.) for pepeople who a are a litte intetense about t hydration. neutrogegena® hydydro boost

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ukraine. i wept in april. i had the chance to meet with commanders, u.s. military commanders, ukrainian, polish, the aid that we are giving them is critical. if this was to stop, they would lose. putin would win. so i am, you know, motivated to get this done in the united states senate. there's bipartisan support for this in a cr providing funding for ukraine, and, so i mean we've got to get this across the finish line or this will be a disaster. >> bipartisan support in a short-term deal, you said. would you vote for a short-term deal if it didn't have ukraine aid in it? the house, there's a problem getting this through. >> hey, for years, when we've done crs they've been bipartisan. senator mcconnell feels like we should continue to support ukraine. senator schumer as well. working across the aisle in the senate, you know, we can get this done. the dysfunction in the house is

unprecedented. you know who really cares about whether or not we fund ukraine or not and continue to provide the support? it's the chinese president. this is implications across the globe. you know, i cannot -- i spent some private time with president zelenskyy, you know, just this last week and, you know, tried to reassure this is coming. and if we fail at this moment, there's a chance that we, you know, a year from now, two years from now, we wind up in a situation where we could be in direct conflict with the russians. we do not want that. >> cbs has confirmed that president biden in his meeting with president zelenskyy said he would provide ukraine with attack ms, the longer range surface-to-surface missiles to allow them to hit behind russian lines. the ukrainians have been asking for months for these systems. whether the f-16s or attackms now, are you frustrated how long

it takes for approval to happen for these systems? >> yeah. i mean, this conflict has been going on for a year and a half now, and in the beginning we provided artillery, ammunition, eventually himars, f-16s, not like other weapon systems. they're complicated and you have to train pilots and maintainers. i worked with the administration on that. we've gotten them cluster weapons now. attackms an additional capability. there were issues we had to work through. they've been, you know, stressing the need for this over a period of time now, and we're at the point we're going to provide them this capability and i think it's going to be helpful. >> what restrictions should there be? why the apprehension for so long? >> well, an artillery shell goes 18 miles. attackm missile goes 190 miles. there was concern where and against what targets would they

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welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation now with arizona senator mark kelly. senator, the governor of your state said friday the state is overwhelmed. she was talking about migrants. we are on pace for a record number of border crossings. the vice president told me recently that administration's policies are making progress. do you buy that? does the