welcome back to "face the nation." we turn now to the life and the legacy of california senator dianne feinstein who died late last week. >> women are seen as spear

throwers of change. we're not the same thing repeating itself. >> then senate candidate dianne feinstein first appeared on "face the nation" in 1992. >> miss feinstein is gender a plus or minus for you? >> there's sop many men back there and we don't see anything happening. >> reporter: the californian was a pioneer, winning her seat in the year of the woman. the senate went from two female lawmakers to six. feinstein said it was the first time she felt her gender wasn't a negative for voters. when she was elected to the san francisco board of supervisors in 1969 there weren't many women in public office. feinstein became the first female mayor of the city following the assassination of two of her colleagues. >> both mayor muss coney and supervisor harvey milk have been shot and killed. >> reporter: she never forget that experience and championed gun laws, including the 1994

assaut weapons ban when she reached the senate. >> i am quite familiar with firearms. i became mayor as a product of assassination. >> i'm aware of that. >> i found my assassinated colleague and put a finger through a bullet hole. >> reporter: though it expired ten years later her passionate campaign continued. >> let me talk about rights for a minute. does a child have a right to be safe in school? does a law client when he goes nto a law firm believe he has a right to be safe? does a shopper in a mall have a right to believe she's safe? innings. >> reporter: that position put her at odds with conservatives. she became a deal making centrist, increasingly rare breed in washington. at times challenged her own party. >> this is not what americans do. >> reporter: as the first woman to head the powerful intelligence committee, she sparred with the cia director and accused the agency of trying to cover up its past abuse of terror suspects. >> we're supposed to be better

than that. we don't have to torture people. >> reporter: america, she argued, is big enough to admit when it is wrong and should be confident enough to learn from its mistakes. being a pioneer wasn't easy as she told bob schieffer in 2009. >> we women have had to fight for everyting we've gotten in the public arena. we weren't given the right to vote. we had to fight for it. >> reporter: today, women make up a quarter of the senate. following a path she helped to forge. senator graham was one of the republicans, as you saw there in that piece, who worked with senator feinstein closely on the judiciary committee. >> i loved her. she was great. when i got to the senate, somebody told me, i'll protect their name here, if you want to get anything done, see if you can get ted kennedy and/or dianne feinstein to help you because if they got on your bill or your idea, the people in the democratic caucus would listen. if ted was the lion, she was the

lioness. she could move votes. she knew how to get to yes on things. she was always kind, always prepared. she was a defense hawk. she was socially liberal. she was my friend. i miss her. if you're looking for a role nolds politics as a young man or woman, look to her life. >> you know, there is also that image of her embracing you after the very contentious hearing. >> yeah. >> supreme court justice amy coney bairts. she was criticized within her own party for praising how you conducted yourself. how do you think about that now is this. >> that says more about the current state of affairs than diane. diane was saying nice things. we had like a five-second hug. because she wanted to say something nice to me they thought she had to be off the committee. diane wasn't the problem. she was the solution. there are people on my side, it goes both ways. let's do this. let's reflect on a lovely light. america is better for dianne

feinstein having served our country. california is better for it. we lost a lot. we just didn't lose a person. we losten an idea. i want my contribution is to try to reinvigor the idea it's okay to be tough and kind. it's okay to be liberal or conservative, but even more okay to work for america and that's what she did. we lost a lot with diane. the rest of us will have to up our game. >> before i let you go i want to ask you, she was also an outspoken pro pone nent for abortion access. are you going to reintroduce your bill limiting it to 15 weeks which has become a litmus test. >> i will. >> donald trump has not signed on. he didn't like 15 weeks. >> my bill has exceptions for rape, incest, life of the mother. 50 european nations limit abortion from 12 to 15 weeks. the baby can suck its thumb and feel pain. i want america to be like the

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we turn now to the former secretary of defense under proop presidentrump and author of "a sacred oath" mark esper. good to have you back with us today. you know -- >> good morning. >> we are having conversations about just how politically difficult basic matters of governance are in washington. and i wonder what sign you think that send to our adversaries around the world? >> thank you, margaret for having me on. let me salute dianne feinstein as we mourn her passing. she was a real leader in the senate. at times she would buck her party and she could reach across the aisle. she was a leader from my time on capitol hill and we're going to miss her and need more people like her. again, my condolences and salute

out to her. look, on your question with regard to our allies see, vladimir putin sits in russia today and looks across the landscape, and he sees the united states of america, which is unwilling to spend what it needs to on defense. it is now pulling back spend for ukraine. we've seen successive republican votes where more and more vote against funding for ukraine. he sees coups in africa pushing western militaries out. he has a pro or sympathetic serbia massing troops on the border of kosovo. a vote in slovak ka, a nato ally in europe, that picked a prime minister who is pro-russian and promised to cut spending for ukraine. from his vantage point the west is fracturing. he's going to wait out clock and hope that donald trump returns to the presidency. >> i want to ask you about that. in your book you write extensively about your frustration with getting then president trump to support aid

to ukraine, and that was before the full-scale invasion, when russian troops were just in the east of the country. he still, to this day, is not coming out in support of aid to ukraine, and as we just talked about vladimir putin has said some of the comments he's made, make him happy. what does that mean in terms of what we should expect if there is a second trump presidency? >> well, i suspect that he will do what he says, and that is he will come to office. he will somehow attempt to negotiate a deal between russia and ukraine and that won't fly. there's only one person that can end this conflict in ukraine and that's vladimir putin. he's not about to do that any time soon. i suspect trump will quickly move to end funding for ukraine and then move to withdraw funding for nato and pull out of nato which will be disastrous for the united states national security. for all those reasons that concerns me. we can talk about our allies and

partners in asia who will be concerned. >> you're not supporting the former president's bid to return to office but the governor of florida also presidential candidate has raised his personal objections to, you know, limitless checks as well. so do you like any of the republican candidates right now? >> there should not be blank checks for ukraine and everything we provide should be audited and accounted for. >> as it is. >> on the bigger question, i'm disappointed in some in my party not picking up the mantle of ronald reagan. i consider myself a reagan republican. ronald reagan would sup these young fledgling democracies whether ukraine, europe being invaded by its largest dictatorial neighbor or taiwan in asia that's being intimidated and tlelgtsnd by china. that's what ronald reagan stands for. that said i think there are a few republicans in the debates

right now who i could support who are better certainly than trump and could beat president biden. i think for republicans we have to it find that person, rally around them and bring the party >> who? >> and run a strong candidate. >> want to give me a name? >> look, i think we've seen good performances from chris christie, nikki haley, desantis, tim scott. there are three or four or five. the republican voters need to decide who that is. it's not donald trump but there are a number of good candidates out there. >> you make clear you see president trump as a threat to democracy, not just a flawed candidate, a threat to democracy you've said. upon his retirement last week general mark milley, an ally of yours during your time in office, appeared to refer to him in his farewell speech as a wannabe dictator. is that overstating things? a dictatorship? if you go back the week prior

donald trump said milley for his behavior whatever he thought that was, was -- should be punished, and he talked about execution. which was unfair. mark milley served this country for 40 years, dragged his family around 20 plus times. he deserves our respect and admiration and not that type of talk. no less coming from the commander in chief, the former commander in chief. look, i have a lot of concerns about donald trump. i have said he's a threat to democracy. the last year, the last few months of donald trump's presidency will look like the first few months of a next one if that were to occur. >> there are a number of stalled military promotions in the senate. talking about problems with democracy right now. are you disappointed even in congress republican leadership hasn't been able to clear that hurdle and get the caucus in line to say that some of the

highest ranking nofrsz officers in our country should get the jobs they've been nominated for? >> i'm concerned on a few levels. senator tuberville is serious about his concerns over the policy issues and he's had a chance to bring them up for a vote and declined to do that. i think it's unfair to hold military nominees over 300 now hostage if you will, over a policy issue for which that's not the responsibility. that's a civilian responsibility. so my view is that should not happen. it's happened in the past by both parties and i've called on senator schumer to start moving nominations which he has because it looks like both parties are politicizing the military. that's mienutional concern. if you step back and ask yourself look the chinese government doesn't shut down, doesn't do continuing resolutions and don't hold up their admirals and generals when they need them as they prepare for conflict with the united states. we look really dysfunctional and harming our readiness in the process when we look across the

international environment. >> mark esper, thank you for your analysis today. we'll be right back.

we're joined now by coat

chairs of the problem solvers caucus brine fitzpatrick and new jersey democrat josh gottheimer. good to have you both with us. we have a lot of problems you need to solve. i want to start -- what we just learned in the course of this program which is speaker mccarthy coming out and seeming to link some movement on the border to his willingness to move a ukraine funding bill and heard lindsey graham said how he wants it to go down in the senate. he called it a three-legged stool. would you get on board with what graham proposed? >> i would. i think we have a lot of challenges and need to address all of them. it's consistent with the problem solver framework we introduced last week and addresses keeping the government open, ukraine, our border and expiring authorities. we dealt with several of them in the continuing resolution that passed thankfully yesterday. but there are remaining items that are unaddressed the border and ukraine being two of them. >> the border proposal that has

passed hr 2 that speaker mccarthy talked about would not go anywhere in the democratic straight. >> that's not going anywhere, but i think to brine's point we have to address both and it's a false choice to say we will do one or the other. we can make it the next 45 days to support crane and stand up to putin and china and iran critical to our national security and allies, but we need to make sure that we deal with and deal with the challenges at the border and border security and live up to our values there. >> what graham laid out was not just funding for ukraine. it was, i mean, almost a year's worth of funding for ukraine. can you get that done in 45 days? >> i think we can't -- we know we can get through the next 45 days. it's a matter of days and weeks and not months and years in terms of what we've available to make sure that we -- ukraine has what they need to stand up to putin. we have to make sure we get some legislation to the floor quickly. i know the speaker is open to that. he signaled he's open to that. i think that's key.

we have other challenges and we can do more than one thing at once. >> i think the ukraine funding should be for a longer period of time for a year. it sends right message to ukraine and russia. and it's, perhaps, i think the best solution inside our chamber to get that done. and the border security language in our framework was a bipartisan bill. thom tillis bill in the senate, the bill in the house, represents the intersection of where the two agree. >> you think you can get the speaker on board? >> i'm going to work hard. >> you also heard today the call a motion to vacate, oust speaker mccarthy from leadership. he says he can survive. can he? >> yes. to me, this -- what's going to be put on the floor is a choice, are we going to reward bipartisan bills put on the floor or punish them. that is a choice. substitute out kevin mccarthy's name for hakeem jeffries or anyone else. if the situation were reversed

and the squad tried to do the same to hakeem jeffries should he be speaker at some point, what i would do on the first and 100th vote i would vote to table it. we need to encourage bipartisanship and two party solutions to be brought to the floor. that's what we need. to do the opposite would be rewarding this hatfield versus mccoy brand of politics destroying our nation. >> gaetz says he's going to keep coming and he can. own one vote needed. >> that may require a change in the rules package. this cannot be the trajectory. >> to stop one person. >> correct. >> that was how speaker mccarthy got to the leadership. >> that was -- that was one of the of the changes made but we were given assurances it would never be used and a matter of principal it remain at one. you can't have it both ways. 90% plus of the american public does not want us to be voting on a motion to vacate every day for the rest of the term. >> is he going to get

democrats -- >> brian was helping hakeem there. >> are democrats going to join gaetz? he needs 218 votes. >> the way i look at it you have a civil war raging in the republican caucus since the beginning with extremists trying to take out common sense and do it time and again. i'll leave that to brian. that's their caucus. i'm from jersey. we don't mess with people's families. i'll tell you what we're open to, as you saw yesterday and the debt ceiling, if there's bipartisan ideas brought to the table we're always going to be at the table negotiating in good faith. it's how we got yesterday done. that's how yesterday happened. you had every democrat plus one cover for the 91 republicans they lost. we came together for the good of the country to help people and families. that's the stuff we should be negotiating in good faith and continue to do that. >> republicans have shown they can't govern on their own? >> the only way things are getting done is with democrats and bipartisan governing and people want us to put the

country over party. >> can you say we won't be back in the same place november 17th talking about a possible government shutdown? >> well, we're two out of 435 so not in a position to make that prediction. like we said last sunday on a show that josh and i appeared together, we will do whatever it takes to keep the government open. we made that pledge. we were prepared to take drastic action yesterday had that not passed the floor? >> what do you mean? >> a number of mechanisms we could force a floor vote on our two party solution. there were options and we were prepared to do it. that's one of many. thankfully we didn't have to go there, but we will do what it takes to make sure the lights are on in the united states government. >> i think the point is we're going to work around the clock the next 45 days. the cycle of insanity has to stop. we need long-term solutions. we can't keep doing this and wasting our time. we have real challenges. >> this includes the debt ceiling. >> we cannot be on the 11th hour. >> that's why we weren't behind the deal. >> it's not the debt ceiling. the faa. you haven't passed into law a

defense bill. >> yep. >> these are the most basic. >> extremists. these ultra right wing extremists keep fighting against reasonableness and common sense. they refused to vote for the defense bill, right, muscles. times kept trying to take it down. that's the point and you need bipartisan solutions and this congress the only way we will be able to govern. >> the extremists are the problem. the bipartisan moderates are the solution. that's what we believe in. >> you have a proposal to get all of this done. >> 100%. >> had in 45 days. >> we introduced our bill last friday. it's the only bipartisan bill. it's equal cosponsors, democrat and republican. represents where the intersection of the united states of america is and that's what our country wants. they want us to approach government the same way we approach our persona relationships. >> as we were talking about with senator graham, i asked him about donald trump. he still won't come out and support ukraine aid. you have other presidential candidates wavering. >> he called for the government to shut down, president trump. >> yes. >> right. >> so if people are governing by

popularity polls and not the mandate you say you feel you have how do you solve that? these -- >> i can tell you the overwhelming majority of -- the overwhelming majority of americans support the approach that josh and i take. you approach government the same way you approach your personal relationships. don't allow the perfect to be the enemy of good. 80% of something versus 100% of nothing. that's how all of us operate our life. the loud noisy fringe, hat field versus mccoy saber rattlers that get the attention but that's not where the american people are. >> do you think speaker mccarthy learned the lesson? >> yes. yesterday was exhibit a and i hope that's a breaking point. >> we have a five seat majority. the only way we will get stuff done for the country is working together. the only way. >> gentlemen, thank you. >> you bet. >> we'll be back in a moment. tu. memegawatts s of powerer, rails s and openen road, and essential seservices of every kind.d.

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there's a big birthday celebration in georgia for our 39th president. mark strassmann has the details. ♪ happy birthday to you ♪ >> reporter: they're celebrating a birthday in tiny plains, georgia. >> grab a cupcake. >> reporter: jimmy carter's birth place, 99 years ago today. >> get down there and hang out as a family. just be a really small, private even evntnt. hehe can't pararty like h he us >> nonee of us s cacan. >> that'ss exactctly righght. >> i love you, jimmy carter. happy birthday. . >> r reporter: a americans c cee with him. the famomous. >> hapappy birthdayy p presiden cacarter. > reporter:r: and the everyd. a jimmy carter peanut gallery of wishers. a wooden cake for the president. it's some salute considering most americans alive today were born after jimmy carter left the white house in 1981 and moved

back here to plains. >> he's like the father of the town. he's the heart of the town. and we just celebrate him every day. >> reporter: when carter entered hospice back in february his family thought he had days to live. seven months later he's earned all this birthday fuss. >> he's modest, and -- but, you know, he's mild. he likes the attention. >> he's proud of it. >> very proud of it. >> reporter: jimmy and rose sa lin carter, married 77 years, will celebrate the day as true southerners, with family, fried chicken and caramel cake, his favorite. >> they've gotten to experience this outpouring of support over these last several months that has really been gratifying >> and we also want to wish president carter a happy birthday from all of us here at "face the nation." until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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