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countering china. i'm surprised as a republican that issue you're talking the most about is not the u.s. border. why? >> well, we care a lot about the border, of course, but what i'm saying is we should divide the packages and have distinct debates on each one of these especially the israel issue. israel needs the aid and immediately, second of all, there's broad bipartisan consensus we should be supporting israel. third, and most importantly, we're stretched too thin. the president's budget request betrays a fundamental misunderstanding in the country, we cannot support a three-pronged conflict in a war. we need to pick and choose -- to pick and choose, congress needs a real debate not collapse these packages together and pretend we can do everything at once. we can't. >> let's unpack some of what you said there. your talking about the same amount for israel that president biden is talking about. >> sure.
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>> roughly $14 billion. but you've removed humanitarian assistance to gaza. leader mcconnell was on this program last sunday and supports the package. here's what he said. >> well, we want to make sure we're not sending money to hamas. i can tell you that. but there are genuine humanitarian needs for the people in gaza who are not hamas, who have been thrown under the bus by what hamas is, innocent people. >> half of the population of gaza are children. >> sure. >> why don't you think the united states can do what leader mcconnell talked about there and provide aid to them? >> well, first, leader mcconnell is right there are a lot of innocent people in gaza. we don't want to cause harm. we have to be reasonable about what we can accomplish. who delivers the humanitarian assist sentence hamas is in
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control of the entire territory. if you deliver a large amount of assistance who will it go to, the children in gaza or the hamas fighters on the line. >> the red cross, all the international organizations who have been there and administering and frankly stepping up because the government has failed the palestinian people in the words of a lot of analysts on both sides of the aisle. >> stepping up, but i think there's a lot of evidence with a lot of these international organizations that when we send aid into gaza, a lot of it goes into the wrong hands. those of us who are critical of the president's posture are worrying about. we don't want to fund two sides of the same conflict, fund hamas and israel, seems like a bad deal for american taxpayers and it's just stupid. >> it's not aid to hamas. it's aid to the palestinian people. >> sure. and look -- >> a million of which are children. >> if i could wave a magic wand and given aid to palestinian children i would.
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if we divert resources to gaza it's going to fall into the wrong hands. >> you don't trust international organizations? >> i don't trust hamas. international organizations some are good people some have compromised positions. we can't assume because it flows through international organizations it's going to go to the kids and not fighters. >> you've been very critical of president biden's response to iran, and its proxy forces. >> sure. >> the threats they pose to our troops. >> yeah. >> so spin that forward for you. you're in the senate. would you authorize the use of force by the president against the state of iran? >> right now, absolutely not. i think that we should be trying to deescalate the situation, of course. we need to have red lines if the iranians attack american troops f they play an -- >> they have multiple times. >> if they play an es claer to role in the conflict we need to be willing to respond. they have attacked, certain militia groups have attacked and we've done the right thing a proportionate response. if they hit us we have to hit them back. an attack on the iranian
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mainland that would be an escalation and a mistake. >> on the portion that you are supporting for aid to israel, the prime minister said last night this is going to be a long war, but you heard jake sullivan, the national security adviser, say they still have to ask specific and hard questions of the israeli leadership like what exactly are you doing next? what is the end game here. >> sure. >> doesn't that trouble you? there are people who would say maybe there should be strings attached to some of this aid. do you have an open checkbook for israel? >> well, certainly it's a troubling situation. it's a troubling situation because 1500 israeli were slaughtered by hamas. we have to have respect for our allies. all they're asking us for is weapons, and we should have some respect for their strategic imperative and also the fact that they know what they're doing within their own country. the goal here is not have an up limited response, an unlimited response here.
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the israelis themselves i think have scoped the operation, they seem to be targeting a very narrow thing, which is degrading hamas. i think we have to have some respect for our israeli allies they know what they're doing in their own country. >> they haven't explained it yet to the u.s. government is what national security adviser was saying there. you're giving them the benefit there. i want to talk about one place that is very clear you aren't giving them the benefit of the doubt and that is to ukraine we heard the house speaker, you have similarities with him in terms of separating out israel aid from ukraine aid. he did say, though, we can't allow putin to prevail in ukraine because i don't believe it would stop there. we're not going to abandon them. what part of that statement is objectionable to you? >> nothing is objectionable in the sense if i could wave a magic wand and throw putin out of ukraine i would. what we have to accept is there's a difference between what should happen and can happen. america has limited capacity. just in the israeli conflict,
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for example, there are 300,000 artillery shells. the israeli would love to have access to. they don't because we sent them to ukraine. we have a rising threat of china in east asia. there are weapons the taiwanese need we can't send because we sent them to ukraine. we have to focus. that's all i'm saying. >> on that portion of it, though, leader mcconnell spent a good amount of time talking about of the $60 billion for ukraine, it's mislabeled because $45 billion is for some of this industrial policy including artillery manufactured in ohio. >> sure. >> you've got a tank manufacturer in ohio, combat vehicle there, general dynamics, if that -- are you against that if it benefits your state? >> i'm good for benefits of the state but this particular policy we have to be careful. we have to remember that we cannot flip the switch and turn back on america's industrial might overnight. >> you do want the investment in all that industrial build up?
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>> i want investment in the industrial build up for america's national security interests, not to throw billions of dollars in ukraine before that industrial buildup even happens. >> why not prioritize that first? >> well, we should. that's exactly my point. we should prioritize the build up of america's industrial base and devote it to our true allies like israel and, of course, the rising threat in east asia. my point here is even if we strike to rebuild the industrial might in this country we don't have enough capacity to support a three-front war. we've got to focus and i think we should be focusing on israel and taiwan. >> more to talk about with you but we have to take a break. >> sure. >> i have to leave it there. we'll be right back. is josh sana and i am the owner at isla veterinary boutique hospital. i was 5...6 years of age and i knew i was going to be a vet. once alexandra called me to let me know that bank of america had approved my loan... it was important to me. we not only just provide the financing piece, we do everything that we can
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has changed since israel expanded its operations in gaza? >> well, first of all, once communication was cut, it was a miserable life. it was miserable before but now more and more. most -- the war, once there is an air strike and caused death to people and injuries, nobody can call the am ambulances, nobody can call the civil defense, even the people themselves don't know who got dead or who got injured. it was really terrible life in case of all of the communication in gaza. today morning, i was driving from rafah city in the south towards the north of gaza, and
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in gaza city, i say empty streets, but a lot of destruction everywhere. >> are there any safe zones? is there any place safe to take shelter? >> unfortunately not. there is no any safe place in gaza, but for displaced people, went to a school full of thousands of people, miserable life in these schools, not enough water, not enough food, no place to sleep. it's not healthy at all. it's very difficult to describe how the people who are in the schools live in. >> the united nations said that order is beginning to break down that people are panicking and running low on food, on water.
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>> oh, yeah. >> on basic supplies. >> oh, yes. that's right. today morning, i saw people went to the united nations stores and break the doors and took out some food like wheat and some water. it is not enough, but the people break -- broke the gates and the siege and took the food over there. the people are angry. you need to like few hours to get bread which is the most kind of food people need. it's really miserable. >> what about medical supplies? are the hospitals full? what are you seeing in terms of who is being injured right now? >> well yesterday i was in al
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shafi hospital. i saw first of all, all of the medical beds are full inside the departments. icu, all full. and they keep the most dangerous inside and they release the others outside of the hospital in the garden. i saw tents full of injuries and some of them even in dangerous case, the beds, medical beds, are outside of the hospitals. some patients and some wounded people, you know, lie on the ground. it's very difficult to describe. anyhow, the medical sector in gaza is almost collapsed. it's very difficult to make operations, you know, the numbers of doctors is few
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numbers in time, but now dozens comes to the hospital at one time, at once. >> you've seen a lot of conflict in gaza over the years, and i wonder, how would you describe what's happening now, versus past conflict in gaza? >> well, i have been covering the conflict since 1988, until now. i have never saw or covered such of this war. it's horrible. before this war, i mean, about the war in 2014, the israeli army used to send message warning to the people to leave their house before they destroy it. now they don't send any warning. just suddenly, they strike the
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house killing all of the people inside, so this is different, completely different, of any other war before in gaza strip. >> marwan al ghoul, cbs producer living in gaza, please stay safe. please keep your family safe. >> thank you. thank you very much. we'll be right back.
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( ♪♪ ) should i get rid of the mug? ♪ bmo ♪ we turn now to robert mardini, director general of the international committee of the red cross, and he joins us from geneva. good morning to you, sir. how much aid have you been able to get into gaza today? >> good morning, margaret. today we were able to get three additional trucks in of medicine, the war wounded kits, surgical kits for hospitals are badly needed as wellas some water and sanitation equipment. they come on top of the six trucks that passed on friday. this is good. this is positive. but this is a drop in an ocean of need and, of course, is only
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a small fraction of what the gaza strip and gazans need today. >> we just heard on our program from a republican senator who said that he does not trust that u.s. aid that is provided to international organizations like yours can actually make it to the people of gaza and not end up in the hands of terrorists. how do you account for that? >> well, as a neutral impartial humanitarian organization that has been present in the gaza strip for decades now, we work in a direct implementation mode. we have our own staff delivering aid and services to individuals that are carefully vetted to institutions such as hospitals, such as the al show fa hospital where our surgeons operate hand in hand with palestinian surg
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beens and our partners from the palestinian red crescent society. we have robust and rigorous checks in place to prevent and to ensure rather that aid goes to the right persons, those who need it the most. >> this morning the palestinian red crescent that you just mentioned said they received threats and needed to evacuate the hospital they were told because it was going to be bombarded. did israel inform your partners of this? what is happening? >> well, these orders of evacuation happening in the gaza strip are problematic for us. this hospital has close to 400 patients, most of them severely injured. there are thousands of civilians taking shelter in hospitals. hospitals are protected by the laws of war, by international humanitarian law. under no circumstances hospitals
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should be bombed, under no circumstance patients should die in a hospital bed, and it is difficult to evacuate hospitals. imagine babies in incubators. you cannot unplug this. imagine people getting oxygen. you cannot just evacuate this unless there is a feasible and viable alternative to this. today this alternative does not exist in the gaza strip. let's remind that it is the obligation of parties to the conflict to ensure that basic services for the civilian population are covered at all times, and the burden should not go to organizes such as us or the palestine red crescent soiety hour. neutral, you are in contact with hamas. on friday there had been high hopes for a humanitarian hostage release. there wasn't one. do you still believe that one is
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possible? let me just start by saying that to the families of hostages, that the plight of their loved ones is one of our top priorities, that we are in conversation with hamas, with israeli officials and with others to ensure their safe release. we have been proposing to visit hostages to ensure that they get personal medicines or simply that they can exchange messages with their loved ones. we stand ready to facilitate any release hoping that this will happen. so far, we were able to facilitate the release of four hostages and we stand ready to do more as soon as parties negotiate an agreement. >> well, we hope for all of those hostage families that there is one.
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as the war between israel and hamas enters its fourth week, we asked our holly williams to reflect on the magnitude of the story and how the unimaginable is now reality. >> reporter: at first, the scale of the attack on october 7th was difficult to grasp. for israelis and for us. this attack is being compared to israel's 9/11. israel didn't see the massacre coming. civilians hunted in their own homes. nor did we. >> how long were they planning this for. >> at least a year, if not longer. well trained. they knew how to use these weapons. they were applied correctly, which is why there was so much
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carnage. they knew what they were doing. >> reporter: for many israelis it brought back nightmarish echos of the holocaust. >> this is -- look at his smile. >> reporter: her son is believed to be one of the hostages. shown here in a hamas propaganda video. >> i recognize him from the beginning. >> how did you feel at that moment? >> terrified. >> reporter: israel and the palestinians have been locked in a cycle of violence for cades. >> hamas will understand that by attacking us, they've made a mistake of historic proportions. >> reporter: three days after the assault, with israeli air strikes raining down on gaza, and palestinians paying for hamas' actions with their lives, the militants threatened to start killing the hostages one
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by one, every time israel bombed palestinian civilians without warning. we held our breath, so did israel, but instead, hamas began to release some of the hostages. around 200 are still pawns in a high-stakes game of blackmail. reporting from southern israel when the country's at war means seeking cover whenever hamas fires rockets. >> we just heard a whole series of very large blasts and we ran to take cover here. >> reporter: israelis are protected from most by the iron dome air defense system. inside the gaza strip, there is no protection. >> i saw dozens of killed people. >> reporter: our colleague cbs news producer marwan lives there with his family risking his life
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to get the news out. marwan has enriched our reporting for over two decades and when we visited gaza he's helped keep us safe. >> i am concerned of my family. this makes me sometimes angry and sometimes i feel like i need to cry. >> reporter: pain is what the israelis and palestinians share. war and politics are what divide them. >> that was our holly williams. thank you. and thank you all for watching. until next week, for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.
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halloween release. this is the "cbs overnight news." >> several big stories this sunday, including the sad news that "friends" star matthew perry died this weekend. he was 54. tonight perry is being remembered for his role in one of tv's biggest hits, as well as his public struggle with addiction. but first, we begin with the latest in the israel-hamas war. tonight egypt sent nearly three dozen trucks of food and medical

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