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i'm margaret brennan in washington. it has been just over four weeks since a terrorist group hamas staged its brutal attack on israel that killed 1400. since then, israel's response has been powerful and deadly. the conflict has drawn outrage around the world and the calls for anything from an immediate cease-fire to a humanitarian pause, which is what the u.s. is calling for, have become louder. but as we come on the air, the situation is bleaker than ever. secretary of state antony blinken is traveling in the region and made a surprise visit 3m to ramallah to meet with the palestinian authority president to talk about the future of a palestinian state. the u.s. is continuing its push to get hamas to release hostage, protect and get aid to civilians in gaza and keep the conflict from expanding while standing with israel against terrorism. we have several reports from the region this morning as well as interviews with three key voices
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in the diplomatic efforts, but we begin on the ground in israel with charlie d'agata. >> reporter: the secretary of state's unannounced visit to the west bank is the first since the war in gaza began. palestinian president mahmoud abbas joined other arab leaders in calling for an immediate cease-fire. the secretary of state had come to the region trying to build support for humanitarian pause in fighting. roundly rejected by israel, wrist no let up in the fight raging inside gaza. this morning, hamas accused the israel defense forces of killing more than 40 people in an air trying at the al magazi refugee camp. the idf says it's investigating, but it appears to be the latest in a series of attacks on targets with a heavy civilian presence. from the multiple explosions at the jabalia refugee camp to
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strikes on a convoy of ambulances outside the al shifa hospital which israel says targeted a hamas terror cell, and schools turned u.n. shelters that ultimately provided no safety at all. the dead placed together in delivery trucks acting as makeshift morgues. families unable to let go of loved ones. their lives and homes torn apart day after day in four weeks of heavy bombardment. the israeli government insists troops are raging war in accordance with international law to avoid harm to noncombatants. hamas health officials say the death toll has topped 9400 people. as its forces encircle gaza city the idf released video showing troops pushing through the ruins of densely packed urban
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neighborhoods from gun battles on the streets of gaza to idf units firing from beaches on the western strip of the territory. this said to show forces blowing up tunnels while bulldozers clear routes for more incoming soldiers. with hamas militants releasing their own footage said to show street-to-street fighting israel's defense minister has already warned this phase of the ground operation could take months. in an effort to avoid more civilian deaths, the israeli military says it opened up the highway leading from north to south gaza for a window of four hours today, dropping leaflets from aircraft, again urging remaining residents to leave for their own safety. >> that's charlie d'agata in tel aviv. we turn now to the occupied west bank and deborah pat's report on reaction from secretary blinken's visit.
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>> reporter: palestinian outrage over the soaring death toll in gaza is mounting, and here in ramallah on the west bank, that anger is directed not only against israel but the united states, which is accused of giving prime minister benjamin netanyahu complete carte blanche in his war. this crowd here today is chanting "blinken you have blood on your hands." the visit by the u.s. secretary of state antony blinken clearly not welcomed in ramallah. >> we turn now to gaza and cbs news producer marwan algul. some of the images are quite disturbing. a number of casualty cited are from hamas-backed gaza health ministry. >> reporter: today at the day of the month of the war the light becomes more and more miserable,
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as israel keep bombing gaza around the hour which caused more than 11,000 deaths and more than 24,000 injury, half of them or more are children and women, and don't forget that more than 1,500 killed are under the destruction still. hospitals almost collapsed. the health system in gaza can't apply its service to the patients. that's a matter of life. nowhere to go. i can tell more than 1 million of the palestinian in gaza, haft of the population r displaced with no electricity, lack of food, lack of water, and a lot of destruction everywhere. today morning i was driving in
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rafah city and i saw thousands lined and stand in lines waiting for bread. a woman told me she had been standing for six hours to get some bread. might not be enough for her family. >> we go now to white house principal deputy national security adviser jon finer. good morning to you. >> good morning, margaret. >> so the u.s. has been trying to get roughly 400 u.s. citizens out of gaza. i understand some have made it out been are all of the americans out and were there he any casualties? >> margaret, we believe that there are still a number of americans inside gaza, but that over the last several days, through pretty intensive negotiations with all sides relevant to this conflict, we have been able to get out more than 300 americans, lawful prm nent residents and their family members. this is a major priority, and one that we're going to continue
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to work at until every american who wants to leave is able to do so. >> where do we stand with the negotiations to get hostages freed by hamas? >> those negotiations are going on quietly behind the scenes. they have taken longer than any of us would like, but we continue to believe there is the possibility of getting a significant number of these hostages released. you heard president biden and the president of israel said there could be a pause in the fighting to enable that, the way it was when two american hostages were released early in the conflict and we will continue to work on that as well. >> has the israeli government agreed to pause for a hostage release? >> you lead the prime minister of israel yesterday the context they would consider a pause would be related to a hostage agreement. we don't have yet a hostage agreement, but again, we are working very hard to get one, and if that were to take place being able to move hostages around the battlefield in a way that is safe, get them to a gate leading outside of gaza would take time and we would want to only be able to do that safely. we believe a pause would be
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appropriate in that context. >> understood. secretary blinken has said that what hamas is doing with using human shields is monstrous. but he also said that he shared with the israeli government steps they could and should take to minimize harm to civilians. that is the closest i've heard a u.s. official come to saying the administration suspect 100% comfortable with what the israeli military is doing. >> margaret, i think we've said versions of what you heard from secretary blinken a number of times, including from the president. look, we've been quite clear that the way that hamas conducts this fight, launching an appalling attack on israel and retreating into the gaza strip and concealing themselves among a densely populated civilian population, is unconsciousble. at the same time while that raises the burden on the israeli military to conduct this fight and go after hamas, it does not diminish their obligation to do
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so in a way that distinguishes between civilians and fighters. we have had many direct conversations with the government of israel on that topic and we will continue to do that. >> could and should suggests they're not currently. the u.s. provides more than $3 billion a year in military aid to israel. does the u.s. need to set conditions on how that u.s., paid for weaponry is used? >> we build a law of armed conflict assurances any time we transfer security assistance to any country, including israel, and when we see circumstances and events that concern us, we raise those very directly with the government of israel, and again, we will continue to do that as this conflict transpires. >> jon your know your fellow democrats, senator chris murphy urges israel to reconsider its approach and shift to a more deliberate and proportionate counterterrorism counter campaign. arab leaders, arab foreign ministers said yesterday how can we justify killing 9,000 people
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is self-defense? how close are we to this stopping? >> so what i would say is, israel continues to face enormous threat from hamas. obviously, we've seen that threat manifest itself not only does that threat continue to exist, but you continue to see hamas say if given the opportunity they would conduct a version of what they did on october 7th again. the threat has not been eliminated. at the same time, as you say, the devastating toll this is taking on civilians is one that deeply concerns us, one we raise in a direct way publicly as secretary blinken has done and privately and directly with the government of israel. there are responsibilities any army has in the context of waging a military operation like this, and they're widely known, they are related to international humanitarian law and expect them to be followed. >> jon, secretary of blinken was in ramallah and the west bank meeting with mahmoud abbas, and he was reportedly talking about
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a future for the palestinian authority and some kind of role in gaza. how close are we to the end of the war, if we're talking about a future government here, and is the palestinian authority really up to the task? >> so, i don't want to speculate about how close we are or are not to the end of the war, but what i will say and president biden has been very clear about this, is that whenever this conflict is over, we cannot go back to the way things were before october 7th. either in gaza or in the west bank. we've been concerned during this conflict, but also well before it, about the rise in violent incidents in the west bank. president biden has spoken to the role of extremist set lers in that context and that behavior has continued. we've expressed that concern directly to the government of israel and we give a lot of credit to the palestinian authority for the work that it has done to prevent the west bank from spiraling into greater instability, even in the context of what's happening in gaza. in the aftermath of this, the president has said we need to get back to the urgent work of
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working towards a two-state solution that includes both gaza and the west bank. >> just want to make sure i'm understanding you there. there are ultra nationalists within the israeli government who have been very clear their positions, one of them, saying he was going to cut some funding to the palestinian authority because he didn't think their reaction was strong enough to october the 7th. another one was also handing out weapons to settlers in recent days. have you convinced the netanyahu government to stop that? >> you've heard the president speak to, again, serious concerns about the behavior of extremist settlers, violence that has beener. traited by them -- perpetrated by them that that could lead to things spiraling out of control. we have raised concerns directly. we believe now is not the time to reduce support to the palestinian authority, given that they are working in many cases alongside israeli security forces to try to keep a lid on
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things in the west bank and we believe that they should both continue to do so and be supported in that endeavor. >> jon finer, thank you for your time today. >> thanks again, margaret. "face the nation" will be back in one minute with israeli ambassador to the united states michael herzog. stay with us. at independence village, the senior living community in waukee, iowa. everybody here really, really make you feel like family and that they love you. our goal with tiktok was to enrich the lives of our residents and just to be able to show people what senior living can be like. i think i am a tiktok grandma. my kids think i am. i mean, we're the ones that are being entertained. time goes faster when you're having fun.
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terror complex in the world. you have tens of thousands of armed terrorists, tens of thousands of rockets, we estimate over 500 kilometers of tunnels with rockets, all the leadership and command and control structur. this is what we are up against, and we have to uproot it. if we do not, they will strike again and again and they're saying it publicly. this is a very complicated military operation in a densely populated area and we're trying to move the population away from that war zone. we're moving very slowly, very deliberately, but we are -- our operation we believe is effective and will continue. >> there is still 400,000 people in the north of gaza according to the u.s., the area you say you're trying to clear out. but your military has encircled gaza city and has killed a lot of leaders of hamas, and praise that as success, so at what
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point do you declare success and at what point do you stop this arielle campaign and move into more strategic tactics? >> first of all, most of our campaign right now is carried out by ground forces. it's not an air campaign. that was the first phase. now we -- i'm not going to put a timeframe on this war. we did not start this war. we do not want this war. but we cannot stop before we dismantle this terror machine or else, as i said, they will strike again and again. we have to make sure that when this ends, they are unable to strike again the way they did on october 7th. i think everybody in israel is united around this goal. >> your prime minister said no cease-fire without the return of hostages. how close are we in those negotiations to get hostages freed? >> we are making every effort to get hostages released, and when
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people talk about a pause in the fighting, we are all for a pause that will allow for the release of hostages. unfortunately -- >> only? >> unfortunately, i'll explain to you, but unfortunately it is not our impression that hamas is serious about releasing them. they are playing for time and trying to stop our pressure and rearm and regroup themselves. when we see that they are serious about it, then we're all-in. nobody has to urge us. most of the kidnaps are israelis and our government is responsible to the families. nobody has to urge us on this. >> but the white house said it was a test casep and a successful one to have those two americans and then the two israelis released. why do you think hostage talks are not successful now? >> because hamas is playing for time, because hamas is trying to stop our military efforts, and i think the more pressure we put on them, the more chances there are that they may agree to release hostages.
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>> so according to the u.s., there's a 400,000 people stuck north of gaza. there are thousands of palestinian civilian casualties, according to the white house national security adviser, 70 or more u.n. workers, 30 or more journalists who have been killed. will your military change tactics as the u.s. has asked? >> we are making every effort to distinguish between terrorists and civilian population. we called for the civilian population to move to the south out of harm's way and hamas is doing everything they can to keep them in harm's way. most of the population moved to th south. as we speak and we are pressuring -- pressing hamas in the north, we are calling people to move out of harm's way. i would be very careful, very careful, about judging those numbers because neither you nor i know how many of them are armed terrorists and how many of them are civilians. i don't know and you don't know. let me tell you -- let me tell
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you more than that, on october 7th, hamas attacked us with 3,000 armed terrorists. we're still collecting the bodies. we have 1,000 bodies of armed terrorists. do they count them in their numbers or no? i don't know and you don't know. let's be very careful about that because i don't know how many of them are terrorists and how many -- our military says it killed numerous terrorists in armed clashes, so let's be very careful about that. >> okay. well you just heard the u.s. -- one of the u.s. national security advisors raising concerns here. in terms of national security interests, there is that question of unintended consequences, right, and that if you -- we know from polling a lot of people in gaza who didn't support hamas but with this campaign this brutal these number of casualties there is the risk of radicalization of that population. how concerned are you about
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that? >> we are in every war there are unintended consequences and there's collateral damage. that's tragic. every human life is tragic, palestinian or israeli, doesn't matter. we act according to international law and make every distinction we can make between civilians and terrorists. >> is there an end point? >> now we called the population to move to the south to keep them out of harm's way. before we did air strikes we called specific families, buildings, asked them to leave. hamas is deliberately keeping them and in part of our clashes in gaza they sent like 100 civilians to face our forces. this is tragic, this is tragic, but we cannot allow hamas immunity just because they hide behind civilians. we want to separate between the two and strike the terrorists. >> ambassador, there is a lot more to talk to you about. unfortunately, i have to leave it there for today.
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dialog monitoring online hate speech. >> it's far higher than at a regular levels. >> is that true of all hate speech, muslims and jews? >> it's true of anti-semitism hatred. >> reporter: in the three days after the initial attack, isd reports anti-semitic comments on youtube related videos increased 5,000%. keywords spiked more than 400%. >> what we know about online anti-semitism and hatred it never stays online. >> reporter: a palestinian american boy of 6 stabbed to death near chicago. his attacker reported yelled, you muslims must die. in new york, this suspect allegedly punched a woman in the face. he told her, because you are jewish. america's jewish community is underbly skittish. less than 3% of the country's population, they're the targets of roughly 60% of all religious hate crimes and that was before
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the october 7th hamas attacks. >> this is a threat that is reaching in some ways historic levels. >> reporter: fbi director christopher wray testified this week that the threat is real. >> this is not a time for panic, but it is a time for vigilance. >> reporter: every day americans a half world away from gaza but caught in the crossfire including horrifically a 6-year-old boy. >> mark strassmann reporting. we'll be right back.
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