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you were most region also the representative of the palestinian authority here in the united states. secretary blinken was in ramallah today. there were no public statements made. was this a tense meeting with your president? >> yes. because there are differences. our president demanded an immediate cease-fire to the atrocious assault on our civilians and people. this is not a war against hamas. it's clear since it started it's a war against our people, not only in gaza, but also in the west bank. 10,000 innocent civilians, almost half of them are children, this is the key point, not only because we want to stop the atrocities, carnage, deliberate killing of our people, but also we don't want this to spread over. every minute we wait, there is a risk of spreading over.

thirdly, with he need to see the u.s. playing the role of an honest mediator, not adopting the israeli narrative and the israeli line, given how historic and, you know, with the again know know sidal -- genocidal rhetoric coming out of tel aviv. we need a grownup in the room and that is the u.s. and we haven't heard that and we have not come up with a joint statement. we had good ideas from secretary of state blinken about the future, his commitment to a political resolution that will bring about an end to israel's occupation, a comprehensive one that includes the west bank and gaza and jerusalem as the capital but there will be a time to discuss that. now is the time to stop the barrels of the gun, stop the murder of our civilians. >> well, you're talking about -- >> this whole talk, margaret, about pauses and humanitarian pauses is irresponsible, pauses of crimes against humanity, we're going to pause for six

hours, killing our children and then we resume killing the children. this doesn't stand even international laws. >> let me ask -- >> the agreements and we seek more. >> let me interrupt you and say the deputy national security adviser to the president gave the palestinian authority credit for maintaining stability in the west bank today. israeli forces say they detained 1200 people since october 7th, 740 of them associated with hamas, in the west bank. so how stable is the west bank and the palestinian authority right now? >> it is to the stable and that's not an accurate description in the west bank. our people in the west bank are subject to attacks by the settler militias that the white house and secretary of state spoke about. it's very volatile and dangerous. many, many palestinians over the last three weeks you're talking about more than 134 the last number i got, killed by

israeli -- illegal israeli militias and israeli army. we're talking about provocations in jerusalem and you know how volatile the situation in jerusalem is and you're talking about an assault against our people everywhere. this isn't about west bank and gaza. the west bank and gaza are subject to the very same exercise. >> understood, i'm asking about -- >> allow me -- >> let me ask you about your government. there is a serious conversation being had by american diplomats about the palestinian authority taking on a role of governing in gaza as well. so talk to me about that because we just heard, you know, that you have a financial problem right now in part because the israeli government is withholding some of the tax revenues and claiming they're doing it because palestinian authority hasn't condemned hamas adequately in those october 7th atacks. do you want to clear the air and clearly condemn the attack by

hamas today? >> no. i want to clear the record. first of all, the palestinian authority is not representative of the palestinian people, it's the plo. i represented the plo in washington, now i represent the plo in london. the pa does not have external arms. te sole legitimate representative of the palestinian people is the plo. number two, let me clarify another matter. the state of palestine that will take over and protect it peoples and the west bank and jerusalem and in gaza once the palestinian occupied territory is liberated. number three, the opportunity for the u.s. to be the peacemaker. to -- >> i'm sure you're concerned about tax revenue? do you want to clear the air and condemn it? >> designate the plo from the terrorist list in the u.s. congress. your secretary of state just shake the hand of the head of the president of the plo after 30 years of signing the oslo accords, 30 years of committing to international law and

negotiations the u.s. should do that. the u.s. should recognize the state of palestinie and allow u to be a full member in the u.n. and the u.s. must stop vetoing our attempts at accountability. >> these are decades worth of problems. >> this will bring -- >> decades worth of problems. i'm asking about one issue on october 7th and the tax revenue. >> not decades. it's the result of us not really focusing on the root cause. this is the moment of the -- >> i understand there are deep root causes but on that specific condemnation it would be a quick answer. >> and allow me, margaret, because i watch your interview with the israeli ambassador, and he said two things very important, he said, you know, those are unintended consequences, the 10,000 innocent people, almost 5,000 children. i want to also clear the record here. this is deliberate and this has been the israeli military doctrine since its establishment. hitting the civilians so they put pressure on the fighters

from the time of 1948 and pushing out ethnically cleansing two-thirds of the nation to beirut -- >> i understand. >> to gaza and everywhere this is a military doctrine. number two israel commits to rl law. if they commit to international law this is not a war. a war does not happen betweenp an occupied and occupier. this is a oppression of our people. wars only happen between two sovereign states. >> okay. ambassador -- >> when you empower the state of palestine that will be able to protect its people, margaret. >> we have to leave the conversation there, but it's very clear that it's really the united states talking about a peace settlement two state solutions and you did not clearly condemn that. so ambassador, thank you for sharing the palestinian point of view. we have to leave it there. thank you. we'll be right back. heard something. ok. ♪ from christmas tree mats... to floorliners... cargo liners....

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crow and texas republican tony gonzales and began by asking them about their bipartisan efforts. >> what this caucus is all about is respecting each other and being able to have those debates where we can agree on some basic facts, we don't call each other evil or names or not maligning each other personally we're having policy debates figuring out how to move our country forward. >> why do you think, congressman gonzales, being veterans somehow changes the way you're able to speak to each other about these things? >> it's as simple as service and folks that have worn the cloth, regardless of service, they love this country and we work together to solve real problems. >> the afghan special interest visas are important issues. i spent five years in afghanistan. we don't want to lose sight of our allies and leave those people behind. we've pushed hard with this caucus to give ukraine everything they need to win this war, to include f-16s. we were very early, we were the first bipartisan caucus to push the administration for f-16s and

now you're seeing them start to come around. >> you have both i should say at the get-go been outspoken in your belief that israel has a right to defend itself in the wake of the horrific terrorist attacks carried out october 7th. you congressman crow have said this week israel's military cofirmed it was an israeli attack that bombed that palestinian refugee camp in gaza and you said, this should not have happened. i fought wars in crowd krods cities. when civilians were present it changed our plans. arguably this is potentially a war crime. why did you think it was important for you to say this? >> because i stand with israel, and its right to defend itself and believe firmly that hamas must be destroyed. it cannot be allowed to exist as a terrorist organization and pose threats to the palestinian and israelis. i fought three times in iraq and afghanistan. this nation spent 20 years at war, spent over $3 trillion to destroy al qaeda, destroy isis,

and yet those organizations still exist. the lesson drawn from that is that you cannot destroy a terrorist ideology with military means alone. you have to have politics, you have to have diplomacy, humanitarian aid, because you can kill a terrorist, but if you destroy or kill innocent civilians, you create more terrorists in the process. that is why i am adamant that to support israel and do this the right way we have to put front and center prot text of civilians. every time the united states makes a mistake or strays from our path, i call it out because the path to getting better and improve is being honest >> this is framed as either for or against terrorists. you're saying no, you can prosecute a war on terrorism without causing mass civilian casualties? >> i spent years in my earlier years literally fighting terrorists and seeing some of my friends give everything during that process. i'm an ardent national security

democratpy know that there is no military solution to these issues alone and because i want success, because i want us to do better and learn from our mistakes, we have to be honest when we do make those mistakes and when our partners make those mistakes. >> do you agree with that, congressman gonzales? >> i think war is ugly, and i think in war, there's a lot of nasty things that happen. i think it's important what you saw this week in the house is the house passed aid to israel in a bipartisan manner. many people on the other side of the aisle didn't agree with the structure of it, but you saw a dozen democrats unconditionally support israel. i unconditionally support israel. whatever comes over our way i think we have to unconditionally stand with our allies. >> unconditionally is different from what congressman crow is saying, which is you can prosecute a war on terrorism, without causing mass civilian casualties. do you agree with that? >> i would argue that israel is not trying to cause civilian

casualties. >> but they have, was the fact of that bombing. >> in every war there's casualties. >> you think it's unavoidable. >> with what is happening and i believe israel is doing everything to make this military targets and not punish a population, but how do you eradicate a terrorist organization that is embedded in every aspect of a civilization? it's a very difficult problem set to have. think back to the 1400 israelis that were slaughtered. israel didn't start this war. i'm of the mindset, cease-fire needs to occur when hamas is eliminated. >> right. you were drawing a distinction between hamas and thousands of civilians. and that's the pushback on your argument, is that there needs to be a brighter line. >> there does. there needs to be a distinct when does this war end? how does the conflict end? in my eyes the conflict ends when hamas is eliminated. also, i think back to these threats are not just abroad, they're here in the united states. >> there has been a rise in

anti-semitism we've talked about, the fbi has talk about, the fbi director said jews make up 2.4% of the public, that was before october 7th a problem in the united states of america. let me ask you about rhetoric, though. do you oppose donald trump's repeated calls for a on muslims. he brought that up again. >> i don't pay attention to what previous president -- i don't pay attention -- okay. ban on muslims? folks coming over here from the different countries? i'm of the mindset of this -- >> it would contradict what you were talking about with the afghan -- >> people that can come over legally, coming over here to visit our schools and do these different things, perfectly fine. i don't care where you come from, what religion you are. but if you are actively going against the united states, if you are actively encouraging and

inciting a riot and terrorism your visa should be revoked and you deported. you can do both. it doesn't have to be a universal ban on everyone. it also shouldn't be a no laws are enforced. this is where the administration is getting it wrong. >> sure. >> they're not enforcing anything. >> sure. >> just on the theme of civility preciseness, would you advise anyone in office not call for bans of religious groups or ethnic groups? >> yeah. >> or deportations? you pay attention to immigration issues. >> sure. i don't look at the -- i don't look at the race, religion, creed. i look at the action. if we focus on the action, the action in which these individuals are doing and focus on that and then hold them accountable, once again, the administration is not deporting anyone that is actively inciting this terrorism. this is where the words, you know, when the president gets up and says i stand with israel, your words have to equal your

actions. >> i'll just say providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization is against the law. >> yes. >> there are numerous investigations along those lines. there have been numerous prosecutions and i have no reason to believe this administration does not enforce those laws and take that seriously. they do. i know they do. and they should continue to. i'm extremely concerned about the surge of anti-semitism and it's unacceptable, condemn hamas and those who support or provide a permission structure for hamas, and i'm very disturbed about incidents on campuses and around the country where we see young people doing that. obviously, there's freedom of speech but a point of which freedom of speech becomes a violation of law if you're providing material support. >> and the full interview can be seen on our website and on our youtube channel. check it out and stay with us.

we're back with ukraine's ambassador to the united states, oksana markarova. good morning. good to have you back here. >> good morning. good to be back. >> your president has said that the war in the middle east is diverting some attention from the war that's happening in ukraine. and he said that's part of

russia's goals. so i want to hear from you, where you think the conflict is? because i know that ukraine has said it is running very short of u.s. provided aid. >> well, it's -- the war still continues the way it was going. the front line is 800 kilometers, 628th day, the battle continus on all of this 800 miles actually not kilometer, miles. it's longer than from here to chicago. we do need ammunition and air defense, we need all of the capabilities that we have been receiving and we were discussing, and, of course, you know, right now, all the eyes aron the u.s. congress because we need the continuation of that. we've run out of some of the programs, we completely utilized them. thanks to the congress and the administration, some remain that we're using but time is of the

essence. of course, russia is not only trying, we see all the visits of hamas and the tennentrauj help russia to fight but russia help a lot of them and helping hamas openly. you know, we have to understand that this war on terror has to be won everywhere. and that we cannot afford to lose focus in one place or in another. that's why in order to be able to stop not only russia, but other terroristic regimes we have to win in ukraine. >> the fact that hamas leaders recently visited russia and that iran is providing drones for russia to use against your people in ukraine. the new speaker of the house, mike johnson, has changed his positions publicly on ukraine. he did regcently say he doesn't want vladimir putin to win and would bundle ukraine aid with u.s. border aid. has he agreed to meet with you? can you persuade him to move

quickly? >> i would be happy to meet, of course, whenever there will be time and opportunity, but i'm very glad to hear the speaker say we cannot allow putin to win. i think all of us, kraenz ukrainians, but also americans, on a strong bipartisan basis, understand it's important for all of us. we cannot let aggressive terroristic nondemocratic country to win which started a war of choice with no provocation. this is a violation of international law but also a violation of principles on which america is built, the values of americans, but also what we are trying to build our country on. so we have to win, and america has to win in this one. >> your president was on another network this morning and says he still doesn't have any reason to believe russia wants to negotiate a peaceful end to this conflict. but there are a lot of reports that there's pressure on your government to agree to some kind of way to negotiate an end to

the fighting. is there any movement? >> just the reports, russia never intended to negotiate. they don't -- their intent is to destroy us. we see it on the battlefield and in all the -- if you can call them diplomatic interactions of ambassadors. no. they are -- intent is clear. they are bombing civilians. today they bombed odesa. they're bombing our country everywhere. the th they're preparing to bomb us more in the winter. they are trying to achieve some kind of military goal. so that's not how people who want to actually negotiate peace act. people who want to negotiate peace first stop their aggressive war, get out from our country, and then negotiate. no. i don't think we should -- let's

not get fooled by any of the reports, whether they are on anonymous sources or russian sources. >> the -- your president has talked about the need for more air defense because russia has strengthened its abilities. he said the f-16s the u.s. promised won't arrive for a while, that ukraine would like to borrow planes. how would that work? is there some kind of immediate way to address this need? >> well, there are a number, like we are open for any ideas to cooperate. we're very grateful to the american people for all the equipment that we are getting on these problems with your funding, from your own stocks and we count on congress to continue to that. we are ready to rent or lease or use any other equipment including the american equipment. it's not only from the u.s. we are ready to co-produce tgether. it's one of the important outcomes of the president's

visit to the u.s. and we're working in that direction with american companies. so, you know, we understand that we need much more to win now, but we also need to build our future force because even after we win, russia is not going to disappear somewhere and they will continue to be a threat not only to us, but to the european union, to the u.s., to everyone, to transatlantic community. >> ambassador, thank you for your time. we'll be back in a moment. rsona, based on your goals, whatever they may be. all that planning has paid off. looks like you can make this work. we can make this work. i can make this work. that seems to be universal. i can make this work. i can make this work. no wonder more than 9 out of 10 clients are likely to recommend us. because advice worth listening to is advice worth talking about. ameriprise financial. i'm sarah escherich, i'm the life enrichment director at independence village,

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. today marks exactly one year from the 2024 presidential election and what could end up being a rematch between joe biden and donald trump. our new cbs news poll shows biden continues to trail donald trump in that possible head-to-head. he is now down 3 points. for more on why we go to anthony salvanto. good morning to you, anthony.

>> good morning, margaret. to understand those numbers we wanted to look at views about both today and the future. first, the number of americans who think that things are going badly in the country today, be has hit its high for the year. you might expect any incumbent to be down. look at positive views for what people think would happen to them finally if donald trump wins. more voters think they would be better off. biden hasn't fully convinced as many democrats that he would help them as the middle class still reels from inflation. let's look overseas. there's more voters we find who think that it's trump that would keep the u.s. out of a war if he wins. that's driven by a lot of republican unity on that idea. let's look at israel in particular. americans sympathize with the israeli people, most democrats think that biden would show the right amount of support, but democrats are more divided over military aid to israel specifically. margaret? >> anthony, thank you.

that's going to be it for us today. thank you for watching. until next week. for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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