welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation now with senator mark warner of virginia. you, in your positionsthe intele been tracking a lot of the

competition with china, particularly in the technology space. the white house seems to be very focused on establishing military-to-military ties with china. what are you watching out of this summit with xi jinping? >> i think re-establishing these military ties and communications are important because we saw when we shot down the chinese balloon nobody picked up the phone on the other end. unlike russia where we've had 75 years of conflicts but lots of back-channel communications, because our contest with china is newer, we don't have that level of communication, i think that's important to be reestablished. i think the president needs to pub president xi on the continuing intellectual property theft that some years accounts for close to $500 billion of intellectual property being stolen. i firmly believe, we've seen no retreat from china in terms of its level of technology investment, i absolutely believe

that national security in the 21st century is more than tanks and guns. it's who wins the battle for oo artificial intelligence and quantive computing and rare earth minerals out of africa is huge. we need to counter that with america and our friends. >> you want guardrails, i imagine, set up with china on artificial intelligence and the like, but legislating around a lot of this is really hard and it's not moving quickly -- >> margaret, i did the bill that was terribly bipartisan, 13 and 13, democrats and republicans, saying we need an approach that's not simply focused on tiktok, but on all foreign technology that might pose a national security risk from china or russia or iran, and suddenly we had the extremes on the left and right against that legislation. it needs to move because, particularly now as you see, literally 40% of young people get all their news from tiktok,

so i hope those kind of issues will be -- we can get some energy behind them now coming after this summit, but this technology competition, we've had military kcompetitors like russia, but never an economy making the investments the way china is in the new technology domains. >> microsoft, this week, came out with a report that said russia, iran and china, will interfere in the 2024 presidential race. not -- they were certain about this. and other close presidential races worldwide. is your legislation going to stop something like that? >> i think our legislation will take on an issue like a tiktok, which is, i'm afraid, could be used as a propaganda channel for the communist party of china, it's with the ccp, not the chinese people, but around artificial intelligence, i think we need to be humble because candidly we've done nothing on any guardrails on social media

and on tech writ large. the two areas where artificial intelligence could have an enormous negative effect tomorrow is interfering in our public elections, but it also could have a tool in terms of interfering in our public markets and i've been surprised we've not seen more manipulation, for example, of stocks using ai tools. my hope is, perhaps, we can get a coalition between those who favor making sure our public markets are not interfered with as well as those concerned about interference in our election to build the coalition. taking on big tech, i've been and nobody in congress has a good record on this. we need that kind of coalition because the election interteerns could be enormous. >> quickly, is that "washington post" report that ukraine was behind the attack on nord stream accurate and is attacking civilian infrastructure acceptable? >> margaret, i'm not going to comment on anything that comes out of classified intelligence.

we do know that russia has a history of misinformation and disinformation, but we'll continue to follow that issue. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. and we spoke earlier today with the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee, michael mccaul, from tel aviv. >> i know you're wrapping up what has been a pretty quick and busy trip to israel. you met with prime minister netanyahu. did you get a sense that his government is close to wrapping up this military operation? >> no, i don't think so. i think it's -- you know, the air strikes, i think the ground game is just now starting, and i will say, margaret, when we walked in, the first thing we saw was the horrific hamas video showing the gruesome killings of these barbaric terrorists, and it was a very intense, kind of powerful, moment. you know, the prime minister was in tears, really teary eyed

about what happened, and remember, this is sort of like their 9/11. they want to eliminate the threat, as they should, and i think we talked a lot about the ground game operations, humanitarian, and we met with the minister of defense as well. >> and you just raised humanitarian aid. i know the u.s. is the largest donor to the u.n. relief agency that operates inside of gaza. many in the republican caucus do not support any aid going to them or to palestinians, even palestinian civilians, living in gaza. do you believe that the aid package going through congress needs to include this kind of help? >> well, i do, and i think the israelis do as well. you know, i talked about this with the prime minister. they have put a buffer zone in the middle of gaza to create this humanitarian zone in southern gaza.

they opened up the rafah gate that's egypt, about 100 trucks a day are coming in, but it has to be food, water, and medicine. it can't be fuel because hamas can use that to light their tunnels and operate them. >> there are still roughly 400 americans stuck inside of gaza according to the state department. did you get any update on how they're doing? >> we did. very sensitive negotiations with the qataris, kind of the lead broker, if you will, of this negotiation. you know, i'm meeting with right after this interview with a bunch of families of the hostages, and i met with them in the united states. very dicey issue. i think what hamas wants would be a swap of prisoners in israel of palestinians in exchange for these hostages, both americans and palestinians, in the gaza.

that's an ongoing thing. i hope it can happen. a cease-fire would be very difficult without an agreement to release all hostages. >> to be clear, are the palestinian americans who are trapped in gaza being included in that hostage negotiation? is that what you're saying as well? >> no. this is -- no. i'm sorry. it's the palestinians in prison in israel that are being, you know, negotiated in exchange for prisoners of both israelis and americans held captive in gaza. >> understood. that hamas proposal is being entertained. interesting to know that. i want to ask you ability what congress can deliver in terms of aid to israel. do you think that the new speaker of the house has the clout necessary with your caucus to move through a package that

includes israel aid, ukraine aid, and other national security items? >> our aid to israel is urgent and time is of the essence. we have to deliver this package. i know we have offsets and that's fair, but i don't think we can play political games with this. to support our ally. because, you know, if they fail an we fail, it would have a very bad effect across the middle east. into ukraine, that's vitally important as well. so is taiwan. and so is the last line of defense, the southern border. so really, if you think about it, all these threats are really tied together. now whether we handle it altogether or separately with say ukraine and border security all has yet to be figured out. the stage to, if you will, c.r. that the speaker is trying to

implement, i think will move the process forward -- >> that deadline in terms of government funding is next week, november 17th. yesterday the speaker made this proposal, it's kind of an unusual way to do it, called a laddered, short-term funding deal. the white house says it's not serious and a waste of time. are we going to see a government shutdown? >> well, you know, we are the power of the purse, and look, we need more time. c.r.s always hurt the military, always hurt our national security, and so the first c.r. until january could resolve the four -- last four appropriation bills that we can't pass to date, so we could pass those and then have until february to negotiate with the senate to get this done and put it on the president's desk. >> first you need the votes to actually pass this. so can republicans vote together to pass this proposal, this

short-term funding agreement? >> we're going to have to. i mean, there's no choice here. i mean the world is on fire from where i sit. it is too urgent. we can't sit back and do nothing. and talking to prime minister netanyahu, they needed this yesterday, in his words. ukraine needed it yesterday. the border, for certainly, need it yesterday. chairman xi is threatening taiwan and the pacific. i think what senate is going to do, they're going to come up with a package, probably after thanksgiving, that they will send over to the house. >> right. and we'll see if that government funding proposal can get passed by next week to avoid that shutdown. congressman, thank you for joining us from israel this morning. we'll be right back. - [speaket leaving the house was hard. - [speaker] but wounded warrior project helps you realize it's possible to get out there

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of israel, isaac herzog, who joins us from jerusalem. good afternoon to you, sir. >> good morning, margaret. >> your country lost 1200 of its civilian citizens on october 7th and i know you're still reeling from that. what we're seeing in gaza right now from hamas and this concentration of very intense fighting around al shifa hospital, if that is indeed hamas' command center, does that mean this war ends if you take control of it? >> well, the war we've taken on against hamas is a war that matters to the entire well being and safety of the world, i would say, and therefore, our main aim at this stage following the atrocities we've gone through on october 7th, is to rupp ute the

capability -- uproot the capability of hamas. it doesn't end at shifa hospital. >> i know you have met with the families of roughly 240 hostages being held by hamas and other terror groups. can you explain why israel is now reportedly considering releasing palestinian women and children from your prisons in exchange for some of these hostages held by hamas? >> i don't want to give any illusions. qatar is trying to mediate, so is egypt, in order to get a human humanitarian release of some of the hostages, we demand all the hostages, but there are talks behind the sequence scenes and i cannot confirm anything substantial right now on the table. the united states is heavily involved in this.

there's nothing tangible i can report. >> i ask because in the past israel has flatly refused that hamas proposal to release palestinians from prison. are you saying that's a follows report? >> it's not the same. there are dozens saying israel is release to murderers sentenced to life sentence. in my speech in congress to a joint session of the house in mid-july, i said that the entire problem with the peace process in the region is undermining the ability to move forward. all of those who remember decades of trying to make peace with our neighbors know we can make with those to the agreements and fight. with nations that support terror, we cannot be a partner and we've seen the results. >> i understand. the united states of america

considers hamas to be a terrorist organization and has for decades and they're very clear on that. as you mentioned you have long been an advocate for peace with the palestinians, but there are many in the current government who before october 7th were not and do not favor two states for two people. do you still believe that is the way ultimately to have snaes. >> why would anybody agree to any progress with other neighbors when we don't see truly their ability to fight terror and many including those in gaza are hailing and smiling and celebrating in the most au tros shus way the greatest atrocity almost since world war ii. may i also add and tell you part of the whole issue is, it's kind of a culture that celebrates these awful atrocities. >> which culture?

>> these cannot be accepted in any way. it means it has nothing to do with the conflict. it has nothing to do with borders, settlements or anything. this is simple, clear, barbarism, jew hate, other hate, which is advocated by isis, hamas, al qaeda, which if we weren't here, europe will be next and probably the united states is the end game for all of them. >> i understand, and i'm not discounting anti-semitism around the globe which is on the rise. when it comes specifically, though, to the long-term security of the democratic and jewish state of israel, it sounds like you have lost some home for that peace process, but i wonder given what you are seeing happen in gaza right now, and the wish you have for security for your people, aren't you concerned that more individuals will be radicalized

by the level of civilian casualties right now? >> if we eradicate the capabilities of hamas, we give hope to the palestinians in gaza too, to run their life decently, as we've expected in the accords we had with tpalestinians. we enabled the palestinian authority to take control of gaza and they lost it to a brutal coup of hamas in 2007. the issue, i kept on asking president abbas of the palestinian authority on numerous occasion, would you go in if israel takes hamas out, and he said no. now i don't know exactly where he is at and if they're even capable of doing so. but one thing is clear, we first and foremost have to give safety and security to israel. >> understood. but even the united states government says that death toll of 11,000 palestinians may be an undercount. they say they can't separate civilians from hamas fighters,

but it's still a tremendous amount of death. so given that, how can you say with certainty that israel's military and intelligence is hitting the right targets right now, that the dying that is happening, is necessary and helpful to your security? >> i thank you for this question, first of all, because i want to express my utter pain and sorrow for any innocent casualty on the palestinian side. we're doing our utmost according to international humanitarian law, first and foremost we alert people. what's the story here? the enemy, these terrorists, fought and tried to kill us and send missiles and terrorists from their homes, so we have to go to these homes and we have to blow up all their infrastructure, tunnels, missile, everything. we go and send leaflets, we call and phone, and we sent text messages to all the civilians in that area, we tell them move out

and give them time to move out and we've opened humanitarian corridors and we have increased dramatically the humanitarian aid to those who are moving out to the safety zone. unfortunately, there could be casualties, some of them are also by hamas fire, and their reporting and the numbers are unclear to me. i'm saying outright, we are doing our best. unfortunately these things happen, and we are sorry for it, but at the end of the day, we have to uproot that infrastructure because we have to defend ourselves according to our right and duty to defend our people. >> president herzog, thank you for your time. we'll be back in a moment.

democrats celebrated a series of high-profile wins in this past tuesday's elections, including an abortion rights amendment in ohio and full control of the state legislature in virginia. but there was another notable outcome, liberals won a series of school board races in red and blue states alike. why? here's chief white house correspondent nancy cortez. >> reporter: when election season rolls around, school

board races haven't always gotten a lot of attention. >> if you're going to yell, stand up and yell and leave. >> reporter: that was before school board hearings around the country. became a flash point for fights over book banning -- >> they're molesting our kids' minds. >> reporter: diverse. >> i wham what am i arrested for? >> reporter: and lbgtq rights. >> the movie had not been approved and not appropriate. >> you are making orlando county unsafe and unproductive working and learning environment. >> reporter: 2021 saw a surge in conservative school board candidates pushing back on pandemic-era school closures and mask mandates. this past tuesday, the pendulum appeared to swing the other way, with more liberal candidates picking up school board seats in states like pennsylvania, iowa, ohio, and virginia. >> i started to see the effects in our school board in our classrooms. >> reporter: this is a teacher

and newly elected school board member in spotsylvania, virginia. >> you're not going to cut my mic off when i vote. >> reporter: that board drew national attention when it voted to pull what it called sexually explicit books from school libraries. >> from there it seemed to continue spiraling into other distracting culture war issues that aren't problems that are needing addressing to help our students. >> reporter: on tuesday the school board flipped from a 4-3 conservative majority to 5-2 to progressives. >> what message do you think voters were trying to send about the school board? >> i believe they want us to work together. >> reporter: april gillespie is one two of the remaining conservatives. >> i believe they're tired of the fighting and the lawsuits and -- on both sides. everything. both sides. i think they want us to move forward and focus on the

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