aim jane pauley. please join us when our trumpet sounds again next sunday morning. ♪ ♪ . i'm margaret brennan in washington. this week on "face the nation" -- the u.s. steps up pressure on israel to do more to protect civilians as the pause to release hostages ends and the israeli offensive resumes. the bombing in gaza is back as israel continues its efforts to destroy hamas. despite israeli leaders vowing to do all they can to keep civilians out of the crossfire

the biden administration says they need to do more. >> too many innocent palestinians have been killed, as israel defends itself, it matters how. >> the center of gravity is the civilian population. if you drive them into the arms of the enemy, you replace a technical victory with a strategical defeat. >> we'll have the latest on the conflict and the efforts to free the rest of the hostages and talk with house intelligence committee chairman mike turner about his concerns about our own ability to gather intelligence to prevent attacks here in the u.s. plus, six weeks out from the first votes in the 2024 presidential contest. are the other contenders giving trump a pass on his inflammatory attacks? >> biden and his radical left allies like to pose as defenders of democracy. joe biden is the destroyer of american democracy. >> we'll talk to gop candidate and former new jersey governor chris christie. he says he's trying to hold

trump accountable, but is anyone listening? former fda head dr. scott gottlieb is back to talk about the spike in respiratory illnesses among children. we say goodbye to three remarkable public servants. in washington breathes a sigh of relief at the departure of one who's was anything but distinguished. it's all just ahead on "face the nation." ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." we have a lot to get to today, but we begin with our chris lipsay reporting from jerusalem. >> reporter: with a cease-fire in shambles, israeli defense forces are once again pushing to annihilate hamas.

pushing south, warning residents to flee the city of khan yunis, a suspected hamas command center but also home. i will never see my friends again, she says. i can only play with sand instead of toys. it's hard for us to get food and water here and a lot of my friends are dead. at the hospital, women and children scrambling for treatment and shelter. israel has sworn to minimize the loss of civilian life, even to persist with negotiations, but under fire. we will continue the war until we achieve all its goals, vows prime minister netanyahu. that's impossible without the ground operation. a ground operation that gives israel leverage he insists to free the remaining 130 hostages including eight americans who remain in the clutches of hamas. now for the first time, many of

those freed described their torment in detail, desperate for food and air in hamas' tunnels. our girls have seen things that kids should not see. a hor film, recalls daniel aloni. we slept and cried. every day that passed was an eternity. a horror film that terrified their families at home as well, says haddas calderon. the first sentence they said to me when we met was, mommy you're alive. we didn't know you were alive. this weekend israeli intelligence sent a team to qatar to continue negotiations, but, margaret, the same team turned around just hours later, saying hamas wasn't living up to its end of the bargain, which included the release of all women and children. >> that's chris lipsay in jerusalem. and we're joined by the chair of the house intelligence committee congressman mike turner. good morning. >> good morning. >> our colleagues here at cbs

have heard from more israeli soldiers mainly female saying they reported up the chain of command warnings about a potential hamas attack. "the new york times," the "ft" have details, specific ones, going back a year. the white house says this wasn't shared with the u.s. intelligence. if this is america's closest middle east ally, should that concern us? >> i think what you saw was just a general dismissal by israel and the israeli intelligence community of the possibility of this level of a threat. which really goes to, you know, the complete breakdown that occurred here. it's been amazing to have our intelligence community now working closely with the israeli intelligence community and see the gaps they have. this could have been an institutional bias the result of them dismissing it. the other aspect that made this so dangerous, even when october 7th began to unfold, their forces didn't react. they didn't have the deployment ability to respond, not just the intelligence ability to prevent

it. >> which raises questions now about have those gaps been filled? how can you take israeli assurances that everything they're doing is precise and targeted and exact? does the united states know where anwar, the commander, the arc ticket of this is? israel says he's in south gaza. >> the united states is assisting in the location of hamas leadership as israel moves to eliminate the threat of hamas. i received a briefing from cia director burns on frye who came back from the middle east. he's been working diligently and doing a great job on negotiating for the release of hoimgs and also trying to make certain that our intelligence apparatus is working closely with israel to try to fill some of those gaps they have. >> you know, when it comes to what united states is doing, for our own standards, for our own government, we have to have a nearly certain standard when it comes to counterterrorism, lethal operations, positive i.d. of the target, no civilian

casualties. should we hold our allies who we provide with weapons and intelligence, to that exact same standard? >> i can tell you that we are being selective to the information that's being provided. it's one thing to be able to look to try to identify a specific individual and provide information as to their locationp and operations, and actually directing an operation. director burns has been, you know, very clear we are to the just providing direct access to our intelligence and that certainly gives us the ability to have caution. >> is israel, though, operating on that intelligence to the level, to the standard, that they should, that the united states holds itself to? we heard from the defense secretary and vice president that it certainly sounds that the u.s. assessment is they're not? >> with respect to use of u.s. intelligence, i can tell you that's how the united states is operating and holding them to that standard. broadly as you've reported, the united states is very concerned and to the extent that israel is not doing enough to protect civilians.

certainly the issue goes even broader to the issue of humanitarian aid being provided to the palestinians who are equally prisoners of hamas. >> can aid, which is being bundled in the senate with ukraine aid, to israel, and ukraine, get through the republican controlled house if the stipulation, as i understand it from the speaker of the house, is that it has to also include provisions regarding the u.s. border? >> sure. speaker johnson is doing great job, and he is, you know, directly negotiating both with the white house and with the senate on the aid package which would include aid to israel, aid to ukraine and southeast asia. more importantly in the negotiation process, it would include changes in our southern border policy which director wray has identified as a national security threat. those negotiations are ongoing and it's going to take the administration coming to the table and recognizing their policy needs to change. america overwhelmingly wants the southern border addressed, it represents a national security threat, its own security

advisors are telling him. we can't have millions continuing to cross our border and believe that we have, you know, a secure, you know, country with our national security. >> what's the specific on that? the white house is asking for like $14 billion. are you saying the money is not enough? you want an overhaul of the immigration policy that hasn't happened in decades and that to happen in the next three weeks. >> there have been things that have happened. if you look back at the trump administration where they had policies such as remain in mexico, there were policies that were working, that were keeping the southern border controlled, where the number of people -- >> that is a specific ask now. >> with the number of people crossing is diminished. the administration can make changes which other administrations have enforced ha changed the difference. it's the reversal of those policies that have caused biden's southern border policies to be a failure and millions to have entered our country. >> i want to ask you asking else that congress you think needs to get done in a very short period of time and that is reauthorizing section 702. we talked about it as directly

related to america's own terror threat and being able to have warrantless surveillance powers. your colleague in the senate says the main challenge to get this done your ohio republican colleague jim jordan he says wants to take the fbi out of the process. so can you get jordan and the freedom caucus of which your speaker is a member on board with this? >> well, i think so. 702 is one of our most important tools monitoring foreign videos outside the united states who pose a national security threat to our country. >> it's about to expire. >> it does not monitor the united states citizens. i think there are those who look at the behavior of the fbi and want to punish the fbi foolishly cutting off one of our most important tools targeting foreign individuals. it's one of our most important tools we're using to help israel in this conflict. >> how is that? >> it allows us to monitor through this program we monitor hamas, hezbollah, isis, some of our adversaries are monitored in this program and we shouldn't

punish the fbi for what they've done in other areas to hinder our ability to track terrorists and our adversaries. >> has speaker johnson committed to taking this version that intelligence chairs are proposing versus jim jordan's version that wants to take the fbi out? >> we have a bill, myself jim headlines, darren lahood, brian fit fitz pat trib have a bill that would address some of the past abuses of the fbi, prevent them in the future and also reauthorize 702, the speaker is supportive of that. we have to get it over the line. >> how? >> that's the problem -- >> who are you talking to -- >> we have substance on our side. this is the way to go. the individuals who want to, you know, hinder this process, really i think fully don't understand how the process works ad are really not understanding the value and the importance of this to our national security. >> but then what we do see is speaker johnson saying yesterday on fox he's going to hold a vote

on the impeachment inquiry into president biden. you're talking about something of immediate national security threat, immediacy and timing, needing to prioritize that, but we're going to have an impeachment inquiry vote instead? >> this is some of the legacy of the chaos that has happened in congress where those who want to shut down the government at the end of the summer are some of those that want to stop the reauthorization of 702. >> are you going to vote for the impeachment inquiry is next week. >> we have to see the evidence. >> is that the top priority? >> you can have more than one. protecting and enforcing our laws is a priority, but in this, 702 is critical and needs to be reformed and reauthorized and the speaker is committed to both those goals. >> all right. it's always good to have you here in person. >> thank you. >> mike turner. and coming up later on in this program. >> there's a healthy way to deal with conflicting opinions. >> actually it's okay to disagree. >> it's not just okay, it's crucial. >> did you just disagree with me

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and we're back with a coordinator for strategic communications at the white house national security council, john kirby. always good to have you here. >> thank you, margaret. >> i want to ask you about this breakdown in the hostage negotiations. >> yeah. >> they pulled their negotiators out of doha saying there's no use in continuing to talk. is this insurmountable. thereare still americans being held. >> we don't believe it's insurmountable. even while the negotiations have stopped we haven't stopped. our efforts on the national security council all the way up to the president trying to work hour by hour to see if we can get this pause reinstated and get hostages out. i will say while the pause has been lifted and no hostage exchanges are going on, what is still going on, importantly, is humanitarian assistance getting in, including fuel, which is --

>> it has restarted. >> yeah. even when the pause ended, what didn't end was humanitarian assistance. >> we heard from your old boss, the defense secretary, lloyd austin there, in the beginning of the program. he said that the lesson he learned from the isis campaign was that an urban warfare you have to protect civilians, and he was sharp in his words and said he has pushed israeli leaders to avoid civilian casualties, provide violence by set lers in the west bank. sound like the netanyahu government has not made the changes they have been asked to make for the past few weeks. >> they have been receptive to those messages. those messages he delivered in public we are delivering in private. >> for three weeks or more now, including on this program. >> they have been receptive to those messages. i want to make it clear the right number of civilian casualties is zero and many thousands have been killed and many more thousands have been

wounded and now more than a million are internally displaced. we're aware of that and know that all of that is a tragedy. we grieve with all those families. that's why we continue to work as secretry austin said with our israeli counterparts to get them to be as careful and as precise and as deliberate in their targeting as possible, and i would tell you, as i said, they have been receptive. they went into north gaza with a much smaller force than what they originally planned to do and you have -- >> the united states slowed down those operations. >> if you have in the last 24 hours, they have been putting a map online of places where people in gaza need to avoid and need to go. >> they don't have connectivity widely in gaza. you know that. >> they've been doing it with paper and leaflets and that kind of thing. my point is, margaret, that it's very rare for a modern military to take those kinds of steps, basically telegraphing their punches, before they actually conduct operations. so i think they're listening and receptive. >> but you're continuing to deliver this message at pretty high levels including the vice

president. >> o course. >> saying this, that number you say thousands, the gaza ministry of health says it's over 15,000 people who have been killed since october 7th. does the u.s. have an assessment of civilians? >> we don't have a specific number we can speak to, but we know many thousands have been killed and many, many more wounded, but we don't have an exact figure. ⌞> hamas, when it attacked so brutally on october 7th, you were very strong, you reflected the president's emotion on this, his defense of the netanyahu government. >> yeah. >> but senator van hollen, who was on this program recently, faulted you. i want you to listen to it. >> many of us were concerned, just a few weeks ago, when one of the white house national security spokesperson was asked if the united states has any red lines and the answer was no. which means anything goes. that cannot be consistent with

american interest rates and values. >> he's talking ability what you said october 24th from the podium a democrat saying they need clear language from the white house. >> everything we do for a foreign military including israel when you give them security assistance there are expectations with that security assistance, that it's going to be used in keeping with the law of armed conflict and law of war. we are in constant touch with our israeli counterparts about the way they're prosecuting these operations. secretary blinken said it's not what you do but how you do -- >> are there red lines? >> we believe the approach we have been taking has had an effect. it has allowed israel to go after a viable terrorist threat to their existence and at the same time -- >> are there red lines? what we're seeing right now is that the journal was reporting bunker buster bombs, 2,000 pound bombs, handed over. the united states is a really strong supporter of israel here. should there be brighter lines? >> we are having these

discussions with our israeli counterparts every day about being careful, precise and deliberate in their targeting and trying to minimize civilian casualties to the maximum extent possible. it's important for people to remember what they're up against here. hamas deliberately shelters themselves inside residential buildings, hospitals and schools, basically on purpose, putting civilians in the line of fire and what israel is trying to do is get them out of the line of fire. it's an added burden that israel has as a modern military, but it's also a very difficult burden and obstacle to overwhen. look, we don't want to see a single more innocent life taken here and we're going to continue to work wih israel about this. the approach has delivered some results, including more than 100 hostages getting out. >> right. you understand the implications for u.s. national securitiby to seen as endorsing all of this which is what van hollen was raising. i want to ask you about venezuela as well before i lot you go. the u.s. lifted some sanctions

off the maduro regime and set some goals. november 30th supposed to be three americans who were determined to be wrongfully detained released. that didn't happen. >> no, it didn't. >> what -- >> nor did the release of other political prisoners. what happens now? will you put more sanctions on? what is the status of those americans? >> i don't want to get ahead of where we are in the decision making process. we're reviewing our options right now. they had until the evening of the 30th to make these kinds of decisions. unfortunately they didn't. and so we're now going back to the policy options and reviewing ha are chances are. >> including snapback sanctions. >> i don't want to get ahead of where we are, but we're extremely concerned they didn't take the two extra steps, release of political prisoners and getting our wrongfully detained americans home. that's something we take seriously getting those folks home and we'll keep at it. >> thank you for being here. >> good to be with you. >> we'll be right back. only $41 on dealdash. dealdash.com, online auctions

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we go now to the former governor of new jersey and 2014 republican presidential candidate chris christie. good to have you back on the program. we know, sir, the rnc is supposed to announce tomorrow who will be on the december 6th debate stage. has the rnc told you you've qualified to be there, and if you haven't, will you drop out? >> i don't think they've told anybody yet who all of us are going to be on the stage, but i'm confident, margaret, that i will be there and we have all the qualifications to get there. >> you told cnn over thanksgiving you will stay in the race through the convention, which would put you into the summer months. does the field need to consolidate to beat donald trump, which you say is one of your prime motivations in running? >> look, this field has already consolidated more than any nonincumbent field in this century, margaret. this time eight years ago we had

13 still in the race. at this time back in 2011, we had eight candidates in the race and this time back in 2007, we had nine candidates in the race. this field has consolidated significantly and i suspect it will consolidate more after folks vote in iowa and new hampshire. >> isn't it a little bit different that you have the 45th president of the united states running, a known entity, who has t automatic platform, it's a different model, a different case. >> the other thing that makes it different he has 91 counts of an indictment against him. the day before super tuesday he's going to start a criminal trial where his former chief of staff and one of the founders of the freedom caucus is going to testify he committed crimes on his watch and was directed to commit crimes by donald trump. >> yeah. >> there's a lot of things different about this, and that's why anybody trying to predict this is just shooting in the dark. >> but why don't -- why hasn't that turned off the gop electorate? when you look at cbs polling and others, he is leading, as you

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