i'm margaret brennan in washington. can the border crisis push politicians into action? and breaking this morning a new cbs news survey of voters in iowa and new hampshire, shows a ray of hope for republicans who want to deny donald trump the nomination. time has just about run out on a border security deal in congress this year, but the pressure to do something to control the massive number of migrants looking for a better life in the u.s. is growing.

along with that, the former president's harsh rhetoric out on the campaign trail. >> if you hate america, if you want to abolish israel, if you sympathize with jihadists, we don't want you. can any of this challengers catch donald trump as the campaigning enters the final months. we've been in those states talking to voters and have new results from those states. we'll talk with former new jersey governor chris christie and with efforts made on an immigration deal to free up funding. tony gonzales, chris coons, and crane's ambassador to the u.s. oksana markarova will be here. the year end forecast when the fed might actually make americans feel better about the economy going into 2024. we'll tell you why. it's all just ahead on "face the nation."

4. ♪ good morning. welcome to "face the nation." in washington, lawmakers have been working through the weekend t negotiate a deal on border security and immigration, as part of a larger package of aid for ukraine and israel. but there is no deal in sight yet no framework, and not enough time to get it done before the end of the year. meanwhile, we are less than one month from the votes being taken in the 2024 campaign. >> on my first day back in the white house i will terminate every open border policy of the biden administration, stop the invasion of our southern border and begin the largest domestic deportation operation in american history. i will immediately restore and expand the trump travel ban on

entry from terrorist countries. >> that talk according to our poll findings is resz sew nating in iowa where the former president continues to hold a commanding lead with 58% of likely gop caucus goers. florida governor ron desantis is in a distant second with 22% support. cbs news talked to iowa voters checking out other gop candidates. >> i feel like trump is one to go in and not care and make these changes now that we need done now. like the border, i can't even imagine what it's going to be like in a year. i mean, and i don't see how we're not going to be -- have some kind of terrorist attack between now and then. >> we're still faith, family, and friends first. >> it's a different story in new hampshire, where former south carolina governor nikki haley has emerged as the closest rival to trump. now at 29% support to his 44%.

that is up 18 points since our september survey. desantis is next with 11%. followed by former new jersey governor chris christie at 10%. new hampshire's republican primary is also open to independent voters. carol smith attended a haley rally last week. >> i'm a lifelong democrat, and when i saw nikki haley in the first debate, i was overwhelmed. she was concise, she was on point, she said what needed to be said, there was no double talk. she needs to be elected. compared to the other candidates in the field. don't ask me if it's because she is a woman because that will make me go up. >> we're joined by director of elections and surveys, anthony salvanto. this is a big move for nikki haley. what's behind it? >> it is, margaret. good morning.

yeah, nikki haley is up substantially from where she was this fall, and one reason is, voters tell us they see her as reasonable as compared to the other candidates and prepared to be president. her number there is on par with the former president. now she's helped by the independents who can vote in the new hampshire primary, and it's not a surprise that she and maybe former governor chris christie are looking to do better in new hampshire because those independents say they're more amenable to the idea of candidate who is different from donald trump. now, trump, for his part, still does well on two key measures. one, he's seen as a strong leader. and two, that those voters think he can beat joe biden. margaret? >> anthony, as we know here, iowa still very comfortable place for donald trump. what is different about the dynamic there? >> it is. well look, it starts with nearly half the iowa caucus goers say

they themselves are part of the maga movement. that's a base for trump and he's got more voters there saying that they will only consider voting for him. iowa has often been a test for the more further right leaning part of the party. no different this year. you look at some policy measures, they have more voters there saying that they're in favor of making abortion illegal, in favor of ideas like deport undocumented immigrants. all of that adds up to a more sizable lead for the former president. margaret? >> anthony salvanto, thank you. and we turn now to one of the republican candidates for president, former new jersey governor chris christie. he joins me this morning from m mendam, new jersey. good morning to you s.i.r. >> good morning. >> i know you believe people don't tell the truth to pollsters but you have staked a lot in the state of new hampshire, coming in fourth, and the governor of that state endorsed your rival, nikki haley. do you still see a path to

victory there? >> absolutely. look, when you look at the poll you just talked about, it has fewer than half of the people it would need to even qualify to be a poll unto the rnc polling criteria. as a margin of error of over 6%. it's kind of just a foolish poll, with all due respect. the fact is, that in the end, look, governor haley got an endorsement this week that got her a lot of free media publicity, but it doesn't change one simple fact, she won't answer questions about donald trump. in fact, you know, she said just this week that he's fit to be president. this is a guy who last night in new hampshire used vladimir putin as a character witness for the decaying democracy in america. vladimir putin is an expert in democracy and someone who says that is fit to be president of the united states? it's ridiculous. and, you know, we just continue to move forward because we know that voters are listening to the

real things that are being said, and when they do, we'll do very well. >> new hampshire won't be the defining moment for whether you continue or not in this race? >> new hampshire will be an important moment, margaret, no doubt. what won't be a defining moment is your poll of 450 people. >> okay. it's not just our poll, though. i mean the "national review," conservative leaning, has a piece saying even if chris christie pulled off an upset in new hampshire, there would be nowhere else for him to go. a hypothetical kristi win would rely on democrats and independents in the open new hampshire primary. those conditions would be impossible to replicate elsewhere. if he's as committed to stopping trump as he says it's time for him to retire to his tent. what do you have to say to them? >> well what i have to say to them, they should try to get the facts right. first of all, democrats can't vote in the republican primary in new hampshire. they're wrong.

>> independents can. >> only independents and republicans. you read me the quote, margaret. how about you get accurate. democrats who said reading their quote can vote. in michigan the same conditions exist, five weeks from the new hampshire primary. which is that republicans and independents can vote in the michigan primary. the fact that they say it can't be repeated anywhere, it will be repeated two elections away from new hampshire, south carolina happens in between. and so look, the "national review" was campaigning for ron desantis until they concluded that he couldn't win. now they're campaigning for nikki haley and when they conclude she can't win either they'll move on to somebody else. i don't spend any time worrying about the editoring at the "national review." >> noted. you've said for nikki haley, who we have not just cbs, other polls, have said she is surging in the state of new hampshire. you've said she's not a

fundamentally -- >> untrue. i'm going to stop you. hold on. i'm going to stop you right there because in the last two polls that have come out, nikki haley was at 13 or 14% and i was at 10 or 11. >> yeah. >> i don't understand where you talk about surging, margaret. i know that that's the talking points up on the teleprompter, but it's not surging. >> i'm not looking at the teleprompter. i'm looking at your face. you're up 2 points. you said you don't trust polls, you cited some. let me read you what you have said about nikki haley. >> no, no, no. margaret, no, i'm countering, margaret, i'm countering what you say, margaret, i'm countering what you say about other polls showing surges, which they do not.% so if you want to cite them, at least cite them correctly. >> okay. you said nikki haley's not a fundamentally serious candidate when she said, as you just said earlier on our program, that trump is fit to lead. you've said, you wish that she cared more about the truth and

things she's said about global trade, for example, you say, shows she doesn't even understand what she's talking about. are you ruling out ever working with nikki haley in the future to defeat donald trump? >> i'm working on defeating donald trump. i'm the only one in the race who is working on defeating donald trump. when she hasn't ruled out being think you can take her as a - serious contender against him. ron desantis and i have both ruled out accepting the vice presidency from donald trump. nikki haley has not. that's why she's not saying strong things against donald trump. why she's saying he's fit to be president of the united states. the fact is, if you watch that speech last night, where he says that immigrants from asia, africa and south america are poisoning the blood of america, i don't know how you can take someone like that and say that they're fit to be president of the united states. >> are you surprised -- >> this is language and things being said -- >> sorry.

>> that are just wrong. >> you are clearly distancing yourself from that sentiment. are you surprised other republican candidates and sitting republican elected officials have not distanced themselves from saying that immigrants are poisoning the blood of this country? >> yes. i am surprised about that. look, at the end of the day, you know, these folks are more concerned about their primary challenges and their house seats than concerned about who will be the president of the united states and whether or not they're fit. when you're a candidate for president of the united states, as someone -- as the incumbent essentially and donald trump having won the nomination the last two times, you need to speak directly about what you think is their fitness. i'm going to take nikki haley's word at it. she says she believes he's fit to be president. if you believe someone who says those kind of things under four criminal indictments is fit to be president you can agree with her. i don't. >> okay. well, nikki haley, i want to ask you about how some of your

opponents who have stood on that debate stage alongside you have talked about her. you did seem to come to nikki haley's defense after the last debt when vivek ramaswamy -- has a woman problem. do you think your party has a woman problem? be the lead on a republican ticket? >> sure. i think a woman can be lead on the republican ticket. i don't think the party has a woman problem. i think vivek ramaswamy has a woman problem. i defended nikki haley at that debate because when someone on the stage like vivek treats someone who is as smart and accomplished as nicki is, my friend for 13 years, and says that compares her intel tloekts that of his 3-year-old son, the way i was raised, margaret, you stand up and defend someone who you do respect, being treated with disrespect by someone else. that's exactly what i did. i would do it again.

and i think it's the right thing to do. >> all right. chris christie, we have to leave it there for today. thanks for joining us. we have to turn now to the crisis at the border. texas republican congressman tony gonzales who is with us from san antonio. welcome back to "face the nation." >> good morning. thank you for having me. >> so i want to go into one of the big issues we know is on the minds for voters and is a crisis right now. you've been pressing for a border deal and we know senators are still trying to craft one, but it doesn't look good for the near term. what is the real world impact in your district if there is no deal in 2023? >> yeah. i give a lot of credit to senator langford and cinema and tillis and murphy. certainly nothing happens without john cornyn making his inputs on there and appreciate their efforts on that, but the

time is now. the time for national security package is now. in my district it is pure chaos and people are upset because their lives have been turned upside down. my district is predominantly hispanic. many are first and second generation americans but they're tired of the high-speed chases, tired of their schools going into lockdown. i would argue, yes, we've been talking about the amount of people coming over that we don't know who is entering our country and the terrorist threat from external, but i -- i would also talk about a terrorist threat internal. i think to 9/11 and what happened there, but i also think back to the oklahoma city bombing and what is happening, people in this country are furious at this open border crisis. it's why it's so imperative that the senate and house work with the president to come up with a national security package that puts the country above everything else. >> okay. well, we know from some of the negotiators who have been out this morning that they don't think one is within reach right

now, but cbs is reporting the white house says it is willing to accept drastic limits on asylum, raising the credible fear standard as you know, and vast expansion of detention and deportation efforts as part of this deal. are you supportive of what you've heard is in this proposal? >> i think it's a good start. i think the devil is in the details when you start talking about deportation flights, i think, you know, are you talking about one flight or are you talking about 20 flights? talking about deporting only along the border or in the interior as well? the credible fear standard, i think that's an area most people agree we need to raise and i think that's one. are we going to add border patrol agents? if so how many? then the senate is much different than the house. the senate is going to have its battle getting to 60 votes. the house will have its battle getting to 218. we can do that, but i think there's going to have to -- we

have to sweeten the deal and part of that is, we have to get to the root of the issue. the root of the issue is labeling cartels as terrorist organizations and the other piece holding these smugglers accountable that cause damage and kill americans. those are a couple things i believe can help get the house to 218 votes. >> well, of the deal that we know is being negotiated right now, i haven't heard that a terrorist designation of cartels is in it. are you saying it's being talked about right now? >> i'm saying, i'm saying the deal between the senate and the white house is going to be much different than the house and the overall package. >> that's what you would want to add to it? >> part of that is coming to the realization -- part of that is coming to the realization that there's going to be -- there's going to have to be some different things in there and part of that is labeling cartels as terrorist organizations will help get the house to 218 votes. i would also say, too, if the white house is serious about this, the white house, they

shouldn't be sending a secretary, secretary mayorkas to the negotiating table. where is the president and vice president? these are some areas that i think could increase the level of getting to a real deal. >> okay. if this is crisis, when the house comes back in january, we're going head long into another shutdown over government funding. if this is an emergency, you would, in theory, want this to move quickly. has the speaker given you any indication of a timeline if the senate can get this deal? >> he hasn't. i don't think many people have, even on the senate side. the easiest thing to do in politics is just to wait, wait for somebody else to pop their head out and build a framework and put it all together. the time is running out. we're at a national security crisis point now. i mean, think back to fbi director testifying and saying every red light i'm looking at is blinking red. >> yeah. >> something similar before 9/11 occurred. we have to push now.

part of that is house republicans, we can't just wait. we have to find 218 votes, however we can, and push things over the finish line. >> i want to bring up something that we discussed with our last guest, which was a remark from donald trump yesterday. i want to play it here because i know you have endorsed mr. trump for president. >> they're poisoning the blood of our country. that's what they've done. poisoned mental institutions and prisons all oefrlt over the world, not just in south america and the three or four we think about, but all over the world they're coming in from africa, from asia, all over the world. >> do you endorse the sentiment that immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country? >> i think immigrants are the lifeblood of our country and it's important that we have immigrants. i've been a proponent of legal

immigration. what this open border crisis has done, it's put legal immigrants to the back of the line and it's encouraged illegal immigration and created this rhetoric and anger. it's not just former president trump. i mean n my district, people are angry, margaret, people are angry and seeing this chaos. it's why it's so important that house, the senate and the president come together and find a real solution, a national security package that takes care of our allies, also protects us at home, not only from foreign threats but also internal threats because the anger is very real. >> i realize that. we need to acknowledge it. that phrasing poisoning the blood is reminiscent of language the white house says hitler used which is why i wanted to get you to specifically respond to that. the biden campaign, excuse me, there's -- i have to leave it there. i'm told by my producer. we are out of time, congressman.

we will come back to you as i know you are very much tracking these ongoing negotiations. "face the nation" will be back in a minute. stay with us. hi, i'm sharon, and i lost 52 pounds on golo. on other diets, i could barely lose 10-15 pounds. thanks to golo, i've lost 27% of my body weight,

and it was easy. (soft music) we go to democratic senator chris coons who joins us from wilmington, delaware. good morning to you. >> great to be on with you again. >> thank you. as you know, there are ongoing talks about changing not just border security funding, but also policy, and from what we are reporting, those two elements in particular, raising the credible fear standard on asylum, and expanding detention and deportation efforts. some in the democratic caucus are objecting. are you okay with it? >> well, i need to know the final deals, but i am likely to support this. i have spoken with a number of the negotiators. they have been working hard this weekend. i am hopeful that we can reach a conclusion this coming week. margaret, for us to fail to come

together and support ukraine, in their ongoing fight for freedom against russian aggression, would be a huge gift to vladimir putin and xi jinping and hamas. there's a lot of other things in this funding package that i strongly support interdicting fentanyl nall at our border, strengthening border security, humanitarian relief, aid to our indo-pacific partners, support for israel, so frankly, if we can come together on a border security deal that gets bipartisan support, i will support it. >> some of your fellow democrats like bob menendez said it's shameful and selling out migrants and asylum seekers. why is he wrong? >> i understand senator menendez's passion on the part of making sure that our immigration system is safe, legal, and humane, but as i've often said, in talking about the campaign for '24, president biden needs to be compared not to the all mighty, not to a perfect alternative, but to the

actual alternative. you played for congressman gonzales the stunning hateful fascist rhetoric of former president trump when he's talking about poisoning the blood of our nation. the former president would bring in place not these modest changes to asylum policy, but radical and dramatic changes to immigration policy. we need to take seriously there is a border security crisis and we need to take responsible steps that reflect our values. >> and that requires more conversation to be had on the other side of this break. please stay with us. we'll have more with senator coons. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular events such as stroke, heart attack, or death in adults also with known heart disease. i'm lowering my risk. adults lost up to 14 pounds. i lost some weight.

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♪ welcome back to "face the nation." delaware democratic senator chris coons is back with us. senator, i want to pick up where we left off. we're talking about some potentially tough votes that will have to be taken in the near term with the border, with ukraine, with israel, and taiwan. all of those bundled together. was it a strategic mistake for the white house to suggest bundling all of those, as the president did in the oval office address, when he