♪ welcome back to "face the nation." we continue our conversation now with michigan congresswoman debbie dingell. congresswoman, you have been

very clear the humanitarian side of this conflict in terms of the political impact, was it a mistake for president biden when he went to michigan not to meet with any members from this particular community? >> look, i do believe that he is going to need to do that at some point down the road. this community is pretty angry right now. look, i get protested. i had a town hall meeting this week and a number of people and i think i've been one of the people that has been the most empathetic and working this issue really hard. i think he sent his team out, but what -- when he sent many of his team out, they developed relationships or connected with people that from both sides i've heard that they got ongoing conversations and that's got to continue. look, michigan is a purple state. i want to make that clear. it's a purple state as long as i've been doing presidential elections.

this is a very important issue here, but there are going to be other issues too. this state is going to be purple from now until november. i'll tell you one more thing, i am the person who fought 30 years to have a state like michigan as one of the early primaries. i want to be talking about this issue now in february because it will matter in november and not on october 15th which has happened too many times in previously presidential elections. >> is the concern about reproductive health care access enough to cancel out these negative hiead winds? >> look we -- michigan had unprecedented turnout two years ago when the issue was on the ballot. i'm going to be blunt, you know me, i am. we have to get young people, women, and we have to go into the union halls. it's great we've got the union presidents and the union organizations endorsing, but we've got to go in the union halls and draw the comparison

and remind people about what donald trump did and didn't do, talked, didn't deliver, and about what joe biden has delivered on. women turning out is going to be critical and they thought that when they voted on this on the ballot last year they were safe and now we've seen what alabama court has done in terms of ivf and the republicans are scared and running out saying they support ivf. you know what, they've never been someone who tried to get pregnant or never had to live through all of this. i think a lot of women are going to be very emotional about their women's health decisions should be made between them, their doctor, their faith and their family and the federal government's got no business in it. >> congresswoman dingell. >> or state government. >> thank you for being direct as you said. we're going to leave that conversation there and pick up another one with republican brian fitzpatrick and democrat jared golden, who congressmen who row proposed an alternative to the foreign aid bill that

passed the senate and was declared by the speaker of the house to be dead on arrival. do you have any confidence that there's a way to get republican leadership to move on this? >> i do. we have a bipartisan bill, it's the only one in the house, and as of friday we have filed with the clerk expedited consideration. normally any kind of discharge like that would take 30 days to be considered right, but we figured out a way to expedite that to a seven-day period. >> to go around the speaker of the house who refused to put a bill on the floor. you're forcing him. >> a mechanism to get a bill to the floor. to be clear about what we're trying to accomplish here, it's time sensitive, existential. i just got back from ukraine. advee ka fell in the past seven days. in the past seven days, 200 families had to bury their kids because of fentanyl. so what our bill does combines

border security with this foreign aid, both existential, forcing this bill to the floor to make sure everybody acts because as president zelenskyy said, they have weeks, not months, to get reinforcements on the front lines. >> you are trying to create an alternative to the bill that's about $60 billion, yours is about 49 or so billion. congressman golden here, one of the things that's not in this bill is humanitarian aid for israel and for ukraine. that's a nonstarter for a lot of democrats and you have a remain in mexico border security policy here that forces migrants to wait outside the u.s. while their asylum claim is processed. how are you going to get fellow democrats to get on board with this? >> i think the most important thing to remember here is that the votes are there to support ukraine and our other allies, israel, taiwan, and i think that the votes are there on border security as well. you know, the state started with a bill and had to boil it down

to get what could get 60 votes. the house has to go through a process. brian and i are talking about having a more open debate on the house floors, amendments should be in order and find a way to get a deal that gets us to 218. i think a deal has to grow out of the middle and unlikely to begin with a one party solution. >> are you saying within that if your bill is up for consideration, amendments like adding in things like >> potentially, yes, although i think we also have to set priorities, so at the end of the day what are the most important crises we have to deal with in the here and now in the very short term and i would say that that would be securing our border and also helping avoid battlefield catastrophes in ukraine. >> congressman fitzpatrick, in choosing to go this route, it is defying the speaker of the house, mike johnson, who has said that, you know, he -- i mean he said initial senate bill was dead on arrival here. but then he is also seemingly

speaking to the democratic leader in the house. are you concerned that you might be under cutting the opportunity to get that bigger package ultimately passed, or is it indeed so dead on arrival you need this backup plan? >> i don't think we're short circuiting anything. we're adding a pressure point to make sure this gets done. we cannot afford to wait here. if the bill were to make it to the floor it would have a lot of republican votes. >> you would vote for it? >> i would. >> if our bill gets to the floor it will have votes. jared can reflect the democrat caucus perspective, but we think super majority two-thirds of the house would support this. it is open to amendments. our bare bones language is a vehicle to get to the floor but what we're trying to do is make sure we do not waste another day because these are -- i mean ukraine is in dire straits right now and that's what i want to do and why we're doing this. this is to complement all of the other conversations going on in a potential compromise might ensue. >> does the democratic leader

hakeem jeffries support what you're doing? >> they currently are pushing for the senate bill and they have a discharge petition. i would say the discharge petition doesn't have any republican support. what we have now is a bill with a discharge petition that is led by a republican. >> this is the procedural way to bypass leadership to get a vote? >> correct. that's right. >> but you're not concerned to borrow your phrase that you're short circuiting the bigger package? >> what is it going to take to get a bill to the floor to enable the house of representatives to take actions on two key priorities, how do we get our own border under control and support our allies in their fights in ukraine and in israel. >> we're up against the deadline of this potential partial government shutdown march 1st. what is the timeline for what you're trying to do and sjts isn't priority number one keeping the lights on? >> maybe we hitch a ride on the cr with this. >> something this big you think. >> yeah.

this is not very big. this is -- a few billion. >> military aid, which by the way 80% of gets spent in the united states. that's a misnomer per spe tu waited. you believe what we're doing for ukraine, israel and taiwan is an act of charity or an act of global security. we believe it's an act of global security. that's an investment. 80% of that money gets spent inside the united states, modernizing our own military in a way that we weren't prepared to do before. >> congressman patrick mchenry with my colleague here on cbs the other day and said you can either die as speaker and worry about them taking you out or live every day as your last. he's trying to prod the speaker of the house to be more decisive. is your action a sign that you also think speaker johnson needs to be more decisive? >> i think mike is in a tough political spot right now and needs all the help he can get from all his allies in the house. this is a mechanism -- >> he can be ousted? >> that's always a risk.

any time you have a one person motion to vacate is never going to happen again, we're not going to buy that line ever again because you see how it manifested on the floor this cycle. it's created gridlock. we will never agree to that ever again. we got to get through the cycle and have time sensitive challenges right now. ukraine is weeks away from giving up significant ground and we cannot allow russia to win. we're adding a pressure point to get a bill to the floor that has bipartisan support in the house. my conversations with my senate colleagues, any bill that comes out of the house with bipartisan support in all likelihood will emerge out of the senate. >> even though this would not be what the senate has already approved? >> we're going to open it up to amendments. our vehicle is bare bones opened up to amendmets and let the house work its will. >> it's important to point out the senate would likely to take up something that passes the house with a bipartisan vote. >> we will watch this. important move and talk more about ukraine ahead in the program.

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saturday marks two years since russia launched a full-scale invasion of ukraine and we are joined now by the ukrainian ambassador to the united states, oksana mielle. good to have you back with us. >> good morning, margaret >> it's a solemn weekend. your president acknowledged 31,000 ukrainians have died in this fight. he also said that the congress knows that your country is running out of funding and weaponry. where are we right now? how close are we to having battlefield setbacks in a significant way? >> thank you. two years of full fledged war, ten years of war, 31,000 just defenders. we don't know how many civilians are dead until we liberate everything. we see on the battlefield this war is still very winnable, if

we have supply of weapons and support, but also it's the war that unfortunately can be lost if the support is not there, if we run out. we really needed it yesterday, and i'm very glad there have been active discussions all this time and really hope that the house will come back this week and that we will see real solutions and we will see decisions taken. >> you just heard from the two congressmen they are now forcing consideration as soon as march the 7th for this aid to ukraine. your president said today, we need support within a month. >> absolutely. that support could be there within months -- >> military support enough? >> well, we need all the support, military support, we need budget support, humanitarian support, because we need to sustain the effort on the battlefield, but also where. we need to care for people, teach people, create bomb

shelters to protect. it's all very much interrelated. what we also heard and know that we do have strong bipartisan support. we have the votes as the two colleagues just said here. and also we know publicly from speaker johnson that he understands the need to win for all of us. it's a global security play. and we heard the concerns, you know, of course, some concerns, i know it's related to us, that he voiced and some about the transparency and accountability and we have provided a lot of information. hopefully with the constant dialog between the two party, between the white house and congress, we will see the decisions because, as we said for a number of times, we need it yesterday. >> the white house says that russia had its first battlefield victory in a year within the past week in this eastern town in ukraine because there aren't enough weapons and ammunition being provided and jake sullivan pointed to congress as the reason why.

is it that simple? >> well, the war has always been about weapons, you know. we always had enough motivated ukrainians to defend our homes and we always needed more weapons at any given time. of course now the situation is critical. and i wouldn't call it a victory because we defended avdiivka for ten years and russia destroyed it. they did not take it over. they destroyed the whole town, like they've done to so many. they already have lost almost 400,000 people in ukraine trying to invade us. you know, we went in this war, we liberated 50%, cleared the black sea, it's a critical pivotal point now in which if we receive the support and weapons we can liberate more and we cannot not only liberate us but the free world. it's russia together with iran and north korea who are supplying missiles and all

democracies together can we defend ourselves? i want to answer that question yes. >> it is becoming an election year issue with the former president, donald trump. arguing against support for nato essentially. and he has a history with your president and, obviously, that first impeachment hearing where he -- that infamous phone call with president zelenskyy. are you looking at that really dictating what's possible right now? a presidential campaign is impacting what you are saying is the future of democracy in europe. > well, any president of the united states or any candidate of the president is the president of this great country based on the values for which we are fighting on the battlefield. as i said a number of times, the issue of support in ukraine, freedom, democracy, the issue of standing together with a democratic ally, is not a partisan issue. it's strongly bipartisan issue, and i'm sure it will be

bipartisan, and i think the only competition there could be how to do it faster, how to win faster, how to show democracies can stand their ground. >> i met this week three children from ukraine who had been kidnapped by russia as part of this state sponsored program. it was very hard to hear what these children have been through. your government says there are at least 30,000 other kids that you know of who were also taken. how is it possible there is no coordinated international effort right now to bring these children home? >> this is not only a war crime and a tragedy, but something that is a blank in the international law. russians claim they have hundreds of thousands of our children. 700,000. it can be as bad as that. literally, you know, it's one of the first times after world war ii when they simply abduct

children, put them up for speedy adoption, torture them, indoctrinate them and put them through these camps. what's why we have created this bring kids back initiative and so many countries, i'm so glad you asked, joined so we can formulate the mechanism of how to deal with it. this is horrible. putin should be in prison until the rest of his life at least for this crime. >> just another thing u.s. funding is used for. ambassador, thank you. >> thank you very much.

we're back with former white house russia expert fiona hill. the body of alexei navalny was handed over to his mother after she asked more than a week to have him released, his corps released. why do you think do you think vladimir putin changed his mind and let it happen? >> i think he realized he had gone too far. he was starting to get protests even from russian orthodox priests. putin prides himself on being this great religious leader.

there were russian orthodox priests saying putin was worse than pontius pilot for denying the po mother and family the body, celebrities, and there was revollion about this as well because navalny's mother a very brave woman went on to youtube which can still be seen inside of russia as well and basically pointing out that putin or the kremlin or the prison authorities were all acting against the law by not handing over the body. they were violating even their own norms and terms. i think that really got a reaction because people will look at the mother, you know, or who she is, the actual mother of someone who has died, not a political person until that moment, and i think it was escalating out of control in terms of the message that the kremlin was trying to enforce. it was making it a very big deal. the question now will be about the funeral. because, of course, what she said very openly was that they were blackmailing her to have a secret funeral. not to have the traditional

russian public viewing of the body and then basically a commemoration of the graveside. it's going to be a question now about what they allow to happen next. >> and whether he created a martyr. >> he has created a martyr. absolutely right. >> this past week we saw not only the victory in eastern ukraine, the death of alexei navalny, you saw russia take another american paris prisoner because she donated $50 to a ukraine charity. he seems emboldened right now. >> he is. that fits into the theme of your discussions this morning. putin thinks he's winning because we've blinked, because we don't seem to have the courage, either politically or morally right now, to stand up and support ukraine in fending him off, fending russia off. he's also basically a month away from his reanointment, i can't call it a re-election, of russia and putin saying you're going have me until 2036. you can have two more six terms,

and i'm so much in control of this situation that i can do literally whatever i like. he's trying to intimidate everyone and remove any sense of hope whatsoever. these targeting of, you know, young woman who has given $50. that's ridiculous. the message is to say i mean business any kind of dissent no matter how minor, will be punished with the full weight of the state behind it. >> we're in the middle of an election in this country. you worked for donald trump when he was in office. he has continued to call himself a political dissident and actually compared himself to alexei navalny. >> it is a form of navalny, it is a form of communism or fascism. >> he's talking about legal cases against him. he's talking about russia quite a lot on the campaign trail again. what's going on? >> well, there's a couple things. first of all, former president trump has made it very clear he

admires vladimir putin. he continues to really extol him, despite all of the evidence to the contrary, from what his views should be here, that putin is an evolved enemy at this point of the united states. he's declared war on the united states. it's not just the young woman region taken who is a dual citizen but evan gesh go vich and paul whelan the former marine who was taken years ago. president trump ought to have a sense of responsibility about american citizens and what he's doing in the most brazen and shameful fashion is trying to suggest that united states is like putin's russia. since when have we been assassinating our opposition candidates in this country. when have presidents of the united states been wanting to take out political opponents through poisoning or through imprisoning them, the equivalent of arctic penal colonies. what president trump is

degrading the united states. i don't understand how people don't call him out for this. >> so we hear from trump supporters at rallies, though, questions about aid to ukraine. is what he is talking -- is he planting seeds that last, even if joe biden wins the election? >> of course he is. he's also, frankly, parroting the kind of propaganda we've. having coming out of russia more than a decade now. since russia made moves against ukraine which goes back a considerable period of time to cut off gas in 2006, for example, the annexation of crimea in 2014, president putin have been against ukraine and president trump is starting to repeat some of the things the russians have been saying too. >> great to talk to you. we hope to have you back again soon. we'll be right back. (stylist 1) oooh you got your corn pudding... you got your corn chowder... (marci) so... is it safe around here? (stylist 2) sometimes. (luke) if a family of eight were to need a cold plunge,

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before we go we want to wish our friend and colleague bob schieffer a happy 87th birthday. thank you all for watching. thank you, bob. we'll see you all next week. for "face the nation," i'm margaret brennan.

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